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CJ M.

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:25:21 PM12/28/09
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This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to something
else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery. If it
wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.

ByTor

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:37:21 PM12/28/09
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In article <hhapm1$5ag$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
serenit...@geemail.com says...

If you are looking for *recovery* online than you need to re-evaluate
yourself.

Ken P

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:40:59 PM12/28/09
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The group will be dead by the new year. Might as well beat Juan's ass.

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Ken P

RonG

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:40:29 PM12/28/09
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"CJ M." <serenit...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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Like many first time visitors here, you "assume" ARAA is AA. It is not.
You might try reading the FAQ found at:

http://www.nyx.net/~anon5f8e/

Should you want to discuss AA or related recovery topics feel free to
post your topics or ask your questions. You will be surprised what you
find and learn.

Welcome to ARAA

RonG

SandyG

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:44:44 PM12/28/09
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CJM, this is not an AA meeting. This is a newsgroup. You do find posts about
AA here, but you also find posts about politics, religion, the rightness or
wrongness of homosexuality, etc. etc. There is a lot of bickering here, but
there is also a lot of comeraderie and support for one another. You just
have to get to know us. Come on in - have a cup of coffee and some
Trollhouse cookies and sit a while. You might just find that you like it
here! :-)

--
- Sandy

"Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of

the light." - Dylan Thomas


Charlie M. 1958

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:52:18 PM12/28/09
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On 12/28/2009 11:44 AM, SandyG wrote:
> CJ M. wrote:
>> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to something
>> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery. If it
>> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
>> and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>
> CJM, this is not an AA meeting. This is a newsgroup. You do find posts about
> AA here, but you also find posts about politics, religion, the rightness or
> wrongness of homosexuality, etc. etc. There is a lot of bickering here, but
> there is also a lot of comeraderie and support for one another. You just
> have to get to know us. Come on in - have a cup of coffee and some
> Trollhouse cookies and sit a while. You might just find that you like it
> here! :-)
>

We have /cookies/ ??!!!

F.H.

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:57:15 PM12/28/09
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LOL

SandyG

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:10:32 PM12/28/09
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Yepper! And they are from Kimba's recipe!

Baa Baa Booey

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:11:12 PM12/28/09
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"CJ M." <serenit...@geemail.com> wrote in news:hhapm1$5ag$1
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And you, my short peckered friend, sound like one of those pontificating,
know it all, but don't know shit types, that we all listen to around the
tables, to the point where people want to jab themselves in the eye with a
sharp stick, that have an answer for everyfuckingthing.

If you'd lurk long enough, you'd know that if someone has a real problem,
they can bring it up in this NG & they can find help in reaching a
solution.

Recovery is a little more than just cracking the BB, sport. It's all about
getting into the mainstream of life & grabbing it by the balls.

CJ M.

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:36:48 PM12/28/09
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Go to hell, booey. I've been reading for a week or two and see
essentially nothing AA related here. You assholes think this is a chat
room for fucking with each other, don't you? Just take the AA name out
of the title and keep it all to yourselves.

The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that
for considering what I've seen so far? I sure don't want what you
people have here. Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
came from.

(David P.)

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:26:02 PM12/28/09
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"CJ M." <serenitylod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is one group!  You should change the name to something
> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think about recovery.  If it
> wasn't for the rosie posts there would be nuttin about recovery

> and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.

Prohibition Hangover - Garrett Peck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUz9ZaFpIsY

Garrett Peck on The Prohibition Hangover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1uJWBM68_w

JibJab.com - Founding Fathers Rap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8U4T1IH1C8

3 Scents: Garrett Peck - Prohibition Hangover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLatNFgBbGs
.
.
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mgh

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:34:12 PM12/28/09
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"CJ M." <serenit...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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You've been welcomed.
You've been warned.
Now, be on your way.
I think I hear your mom calling you.
Hard to be sure though...ya know, with her mouth full and all.

I think there's a guy named Mike down the road looking for you.

Ahhhh New Years!
The "drunk gets sober for a week or two"
period of the year we all know and love.

fuck
mgh

Tell me your associated some business oriented sobriety "group"

Hummmm....
Wouldn't be sober.com now could it?
Oh what a tangled web we weave....

Honesty
Open-mindedness
&
Willingness


Show yourself bitch!

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F.H.

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:34:22 PM12/28/09
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CJ M. wrote:
> Go to hell, booey. I've been reading for a week or two and see
> essentially nothing AA related here. You assholes think this is a chat
> room for fucking with each other, don't you? Just take the AA name out
> of the title and keep it all to yourselves.
>
> The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that
> for considering what I've seen so far? I sure don't want what you
> people have here. Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
> came from.

Ah yes, the occasional AA serenity and 'knowing peace' in action. The
/ironic/ ESH. My favorite. A Mikey troll?


Baa Baa Booey

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:37:45 PM12/28/09
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"CJ M." <serenit...@geemail.com> wrote in news:hhats0$bd8$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> Go to hell, booey. I've been reading for a week or two and see
> essentially nothing AA related here. You assholes think this is a chat
> room for fucking with each other, don't you? Just take the AA name out
> of the title and keep it all to yourselves.

You got it Bozo...We fuck with each other, because most of us enjoy it &
don't wear the AA badge on our chest, nor wear a hair shirt to do
pennance.

Once again, like I said earlier, if a person has a AA related topic, we
will discuss it, but until then, we like fuckin' with each other & we
like talking politics, smut, and anything else that comes up.

If that doesn't suit you, you can take a big bite out of a farting fat
guy's ass on your way out, but if you want to have some good natured fun,
pull up a chair.


>
> The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that
> for considering what I've seen so far? I sure don't want what you
> people have here. Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
> came from.
>

That's where you're wrong... The reason we like fucking with each other
is that we remember where we came from & enjoy the progress we've made.
Most of us have been around long enough to know that we don't know shit,
but are willing to learn.

I'll follow your lead with the inventory taking. You sound like one of
these guys that's been around 3-10 years & think they know & have seen it
all. AHHH HAAA HAAA HAAA...Man, am I ever glad that I'm not like that
today.

WTF, there's more to working with others than just reciting the BB &
working the steps...What about catching a movie, talking broads &
chasin' them if the situation calls for it, or helping that newcomer
paint his living room & yes, fucking with him ?

I suppose that if you don't want what we have, you might want to check
out these other fine newsgroups.

alt.recovery.programrobots
alt.bigbookblowhards
alt.billw.wannabes
alt.aa.iknoweverything

Sorry you gotta go, you seem like a fun guy to fuck with.


Fred Exley

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:40:16 PM12/28/09
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"CJ M." <serenit...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to something
> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery. If it
> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
> and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.\


You might find these groups more to your liking:

http://www.aa-lamplighters.org/

and this other newsgroup:

alt.recovery.addiction.alcoholism

I started posting to alt.recovery.addiction.alcoholism whilst still drunk,
but wanting to get sober, and believe it or not, it did help me get sober.
That first 24 hours cold turkey was real bad, and one thing that kept me
going was wanting to be able to post to that group that I had lasted 24
hours. Rosie was quite helpful, as was a lady named Sheenah, who called me
from England and was quite encouraging.

After I had been sober awhile my mind began working again, and I began
enjoying the mental gymnastics of sparring with others about various topics.
But not wishing to offend anyone in the group that helped me get sober, I
moved over here :)

On the surface it is a lot of bickering and nasty pot-shots seemingly
totally unrelated to alcohol here, but I view it as a bunch of ex-drunks
celebrating their newfound faculties, sparring only with others here who
choose to enter the gladiators' arena :)


S.LaRocca

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:42:28 PM12/28/09
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"F.H." <connec...@verizon.net> wrote in
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>
> Ah yes, the occasional AA serenity and 'knowing peace' in action. The
> /ironic/ ESH. My favorite. A Mikey troll?
>
>

My thoughts exactly Frank...It's either Mikey with a new idenity, or his
butt buddy.

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*************************************************************************
A fartin' horse is ready to retire....A fartin' man's the one to hire.

Tex

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:14:31 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:25:21 +0000 (UTC), "CJ M."
<serenit...@geemail.com> wrote:


And then this:

>Go to hell, booey. I've been reading for a week or two and see
>essentially nothing AA related here. You assholes think this is a chat
>room for fucking with each other, don't you? Just take the AA name out
>of the title and keep it all to yourselves.

>The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that


>for considering what I've seen so far? I sure don't want what you
>people have here. Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
>came from.

Welcome CJM ... I keep praying someone will show up and get this thing
back on the *real* AA track. Each time someone of your caliber shows
up they spitter & sputter out before it happens and in your case you
haven't even accomplished spittering and sputtering!

One thing for sure... each of you saviors starts with the ol' poor
newcomer...then set a great example ... two weeks and you can't
recognize anything AA related ... then you hop in and squawk about
name changing ...issuing commands ... then tell people to go to hell
... and call everyone fools & assholes.

All that ... and evidently you don't even realize it's not AA, not a
chat room as you suggest, it's a usenet newsgroup ... one that is open
... not moderated ... where the discussion of AA is open ... Pro's &
Con's ... by everyone and anyone who wishes to post. Alcoholics and
non-alcoholics alike ... which leaves the door open for any and all
types of discussions ...all of which is covered by the FAQ.

So...don't toss a topic out ... just tell us what is *real* recovery
and explain it to us! It's understandable you wouldn't want what fools
& assholes have, but damn for the sake of the poor newcomer, give us
some of the *real* deal...some hardcore AA. Don't be a scoffer! Do it
for the newcomer, do it so they'll want what you have!

Or was the *poor newcomer* routine just a cover for a bled out
Bleeding Deacon?


CJ M.

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:34:41 PM12/28/09
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Good idea Fred. There's bound to be more talk about recovery from
alcoholism at the local grocery store than in this group of imposters.

F.H.

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:44:16 PM12/28/09
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S.LaRocca wrote:
> "F.H." <connec...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:V8ednY42KpTnlaTW...@giganews.com:
>
>
>> Ah yes, the occasional AA serenity and 'knowing peace' in action. The
>> /ironic/ ESH. My favorite. A Mikey troll?
>>
>>
>
> My thoughts exactly Frank...It's either Mikey with a new identity, or his
> butt buddy.

Yep. Loves to talk program but..., (sigh), drawn to combat. Faux
sobriety?

Tex

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:47:20 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:34:41 +0000 (UTC), "CJ M."
<serenit...@geemail.com> wrote:

>Good idea Fred. There's bound to be more talk about recovery from
>alcoholism at the local grocery store than in this group of imposters.

Are you blind? Would you be my sponsor?

Tex

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:50:56 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:44:16 -0800, "F.H." <connec...@verizon.net>
wrote:

Oh come on fellows ... let CJM be CJM! Think about the poor newcomers!
What are they going to think when they come in here and find a bunch
of fools, assholes, & imposters beating up on a hardcore *real* AA
Alcoholic?

Mark Warner

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Dec 28, 2009, 4:19:33 PM12/28/09
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We like it that way.

Fuck you.

--
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying

Tex

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Dec 28, 2009, 5:31:24 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:19:33 -0500, Mark Warner
<markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:

>CJ M. wrote:
>> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to something
>> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery. If it
>> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
>> and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>
>We like it that way.
>
>Fuck you.

Oh come on... admit it ... you cry yourself to sleep over all this
political and OS talk.

Message has been deleted

Mark Warner

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Dec 28, 2009, 7:20:53 PM12/28/09
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Tex wrote:

> Mark Warner wrote:
>> CJ M. wrote:
>>>
>>> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to something
>>> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery. If it
>>> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
>>> and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>>
>> We like it that way.
>>
>> Fuck you.
>
> Oh come on... admit it ... you cry yourself to sleep over all this
> political and OS talk.

No I don't. I just pray for you sorry bastards.

F.H.

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Dec 28, 2009, 7:33:50 PM12/28/09
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Mark Warner wrote:
> Tex wrote:
>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>> CJ M. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to something
>>>> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery. If it
>>>> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
>>>> and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>>>
>>> We like it that way.
>>>
>>> Fuck you.
>>
>> Oh come on... admit it ... you cry yourself to sleep over all this
>> political and OS talk.
>
> No I don't. I just pray for you sorry bastards.

LMAO, now /thats/ comforting.

jimbo

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Dec 28, 2009, 7:59:56 PM12/28/09
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On Dec 28, 1:36 pm, "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote:
 You assholes think this is a chat room for fucking with each other,
don't you?  

Nominated for "Post of the Year!!!"
Jim

F.H.

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:01:57 PM12/28/09
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In the accuracy category?

Mark Warner

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:08:24 PM12/28/09
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I consider it service work.

F.H.

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:16:12 PM12/28/09
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Mark Warner wrote:
> F.H. wrote:
>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>> Tex wrote:
>>>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>>>> CJ M. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to something
>>>>>> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery. If it
>>>>>> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
>>>>>> and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>>>>>
>>>>> We like it that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck you.
>>>>
>>>> Oh come on... admit it ... you cry yourself to sleep over all this
>>>> political and OS talk.
>>>
>>> No I don't. I just pray for you sorry bastards.
>>
>> LMAO, now /thats/ comforting.
>
> I consider it service work.

You're fucking with me, right?

Tex

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Dec 28, 2009, 9:20:46 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:20:53 -0500, Mark Warner
<markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:

>Tex wrote:
>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>> CJ M. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to something
>>>> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery. If it
>>>> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
>>>> and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>>>
>>> We like it that way.
>>>
>>> Fuck you.
>>
>> Oh come on... admit it ... you cry yourself to sleep over all this
>> political and OS talk.
>
>No I don't. I just pray for you sorry bastards.

What a day ... we're fools, assholes, and now bastards and told to go
to hell all in one day in one thread! What a way to wrap up the year!

The topic ..."What kind of AA is this?" ...

I think the answer is glaring ... this is the *real* deal! Hah ha! :)
We've given up the debating as AA suggests and taken up swords and
refusing to be doormats! Hah ha! We ain't doormats, but some of the
higher powers are doornobs and/or light bulbs! Hah ha! :)

Ted L.

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:14:44 PM12/28/09
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In article <hhasb4$tna$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
"SandyG" <moll...@askme.net> wrote:

>
> Yepper! And they are from Kimba's recipe!
>

You have Kimba's secret recipe???? You've been holding out on us.
Shame on you.

--
Ted L.
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.

Mark Warner

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:41:29 PM12/28/09
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I miss Tara.

F.H.

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Dec 28, 2009, 11:00:32 PM12/28/09
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Mark Warner wrote:
> F.H. wrote:
>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>> F.H. wrote:
>>>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>>>> Tex wrote:
>>>>>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>>>>>> CJ M. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery.
>>>>>>>> If it
>>>>>>>> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about
>>>>>>>> recovery
>>>>>>>> and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We like it that way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fuck you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh come on... admit it ... you cry yourself to sleep over all this
>>>>>> political and OS talk.
>>>>>
>>>>> No I don't. I just pray for you sorry bastards.
>>>>
>>>> LMAO, now /thats/ comforting.
>>>
>>> I consider it service work.
>>
>> You're fucking with me, right?
>
> I miss Tara.

You and CJM. Can't really appreciate the 'assholiness' of ARAA without
her.

mikewestvale

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Dec 29, 2009, 12:37:53 AM12/29/09
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On Dec 28, 12:25 pm, "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote:
> This is one fucked up group!  You should change the name to something
> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery.  If it
> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
> and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.

>The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that


>for considering what I've seen so far? I sure don't want what you
>people have here. Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
>came from.

Here's a thought. If you don't want what we have, then maybe you
should try another spot.


True newcomers are told not to seek this as a place of sobriety in
that it is not a group nor is it a place to find sobriety. It is a
place after being sober one may freely exchange views on any topic
they wish amongst other folks who have had recovery or contact with
the AA program. It is the meeting after the meeting, the bitch session
at the coffee shop.


If you look at it in this light maybe you will find us at best "not a
glum lot" and folks who do have some positive qualities and a fair
amount of sobriety to boot.

Folks with the term serenity in their addresses may not find this a
place of comfort as we do not necessarily follow the company line. The
last guy to try and change the order of things here is now in a rubber
room in a sanitarium somewhere deep in the nether regions of Virginia,
drooling and tearing wings from flys.

We all have our place and serve a purpose though it may not be what
you wish it to be.

Be of good heart my friend.

(David P.)

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:42:25 AM12/29/09
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"CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> There's bound to be more talk about recovery from
> alcoholism at the local grocery store than in this
> group of imposters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/us/28prayer.html

Serenity Prayer Skeptic Now Credits Niebuhr

By Laurie Goodstein: November 27, 2009

A Yale librarian who cast doubt last year on the origins
of the Serenity Prayer, adopted by Alcoholics Anonymous and
reprinted on countless knickknacks, says new evidence has
persuaded him to retain the famed Protestant theologian
Reinhold Niebuhr as the author in the next edition of The
Yale Book of Quotations. The provenance of the prayer, which
begins, “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I
cannot change,” became a subject of controversy last year
with the publication of an article by the librarian, Fred R.
Shapiro, who is also the editor of the book of quotations.
Mr. Shapiro had found archival materials that led him to
express doubt that Niebuhr was the author. But now another
researcher trawling the Internet has discovered evidence that
attributes the prayer to Niebuhr. The researcher, Stephen
Goranson, works in the circulation department at the Duke
University library, has a doctorate from Duke in the history
of religion and, as a sideline, searches for the origins of
words and sayings and publishes his findings in etymology
journals. This month he found a Christian student newsletter
written in 1937 that cites Niebuhr as the prayer’s author.

The prayer in the newsletter is slightly different from the
contemporary one often printed on mugs and wall plaques. It
reads, “Father, give us courage to change what must be altered,
serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and the insight to
know the one from the other.” The contemporary version puts
the phrase about serenity before the one about courage, but
Mr. Goranson said in an interview, “I think the 1937 document
very much strengthens the probability that Niebuhr wrote it.”
Mr. Shapiro agreed. “The new evidence does not prove that
Reinhold Niebuhr wrote it, but it does significantly improve
the likelihood that he was the originator,” he said. He added
that unless there were further discoveries contradicting that
assessment, “I will list the Serenity Prayer under Niebuhr’s
name in my next edition of The Yale Book of Quotations.”

Niebuhr, who lived from 1892 to 1971, was a prophetic,
politically attuned preacher who often spoke at universities
and Y.M.C.A.’s, where he was more welcome than in the many
churches that considered him too controversial. He influenced
generations of theologians & political thinkers. Barack Obama
said of him, “He’s one of my favorite philosophers.” The
Serenity Prayer was adopted by the U.S.O. in wartime, and by
Alcoholics Anonymous, which uses it in its 12-step program.
But even in Niebuhr’s lifetime, he faced accusations that he
was not the prayer’s author. A magazine article in 1950 quoted
him as saying: “Of course, it may have been spooking around for
years, even centuries, but I don’t think so. I honestly do
believe that I wrote it myself.” Niebuhr’s family long main-
tained that he wrote the prayer in 1943, in the midst of WWII.
But using Internet search engines, Mr. Shapiro found newspaper
articles, pamphlets & a book that cited versions of the prayer
& dated from as early as 1936. None of those materials attrib-
uted the prayer to Niebuhr (or, for that matter, to anyone else).

As a result, Mr. Shapiro (who writes occasionally for The New
York Times Magazine and the Freakonomics blog at nytimes.com)
wrote an article for The Yale Alumni Magazine positing that
Niebuhr might have simply codified a popular prayer that was
already in circulation. The article also said: “This evidence
is by no means conclusive. It is entirely possible that Niebuhr
composed the prayer much earlier than he himself later remembered.”
But Niebuhr’s family, & many of his former students & adherents,
were outraged. His daughter, Elisabeth Sifton, who had written a
book called “The Serenity Prayer: Faith and Politics in Times
of Peace and War” (W. W. Norton, 2003), published a rebuttal
in the alumni magazine. She argued that her father had often
delivered oral versions of a prayer before ever writing it down
and that this prayer was quintessentially Niebuhr. She also said
she had cited 1943 in her book as the date the Serenity Prayer
was first used because that was what she heard from her parents.
But had she known about the documents Mr. Shapiro found, she
said, she might have cited an earlier date. The debate played out
in a front-page article in The New York Times in July 2008.

The evidence newly discovered, by Goranson, was in a Christian
student publication, The Intercollegian and Far Horizons, in an
article titled “What Makes a Strong Student Christian Assn.” He
uncovered it in a database search, and was able to find a paper
copy in the library. He posted an item about his find on a
Listserv of language scholars, and Mr. Shapiro brought it to
the attention of The Times. At the end of the article is a list
of 10 attributes of a strong Christian student association. The
last of them is that such an association should be “inspired by
the prayer attributed to Reinhold Niebuhr.” The article then
gives the version of the prayer that begins, “Father, give us
courage to change what must be altered.” The article says the
list is being reprinted from another newsletter, News and Views,
which Mr. Goranson said he had not been able to find in any
library. In a telephone interview, Ms. Sifton said of the new
find, “I think it’s an interesting small item, which confirms
what I’ve thought for some time”: Niebuhr is unquestionably the
author. “As every living pastor knows,” she said, “prayers
evolve and change. You use them in one service and another
context, and slowly you refine the hopes and aspirations you
want to express.”
.
.
--

mgh

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Dec 29, 2009, 4:50:36 AM12/29/09
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"Ted L." <Ted...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:TedL719-854431...@mail.eternal-september.org...

> In article <hhasb4$tna$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "SandyG" <moll...@askme.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yepper! And they are from Kimba's recipe!
>>
>
> You have Kimba's secret recipe???? You've been holding out on us.
> Shame on you.
>

I hope this doesn't mean you'll pull out the Epilady, make me don my green
thong, look up my former co-tea-boy homerr...2k and start welcoming
newcomers and singing Happy Birthyday?!?

peace
mgh

http://tinyurl.com/yd66b5x

Chronocidal Charlie

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Dec 29, 2009, 6:04:00 AM12/29/09
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Are you aware that clicking on the above url in Thunderbird version
2.0.0.23 (20090812)opens a user interaction box asking if one would like
to subscribe to freenews.netfront.net. And that even though one, on
seeing that box, clicks "NO" that at least in my case, Win XP 64 bit
crashes, reboots and when it comes back up after the MS problem
reporting shit is taken care of if one reopens Thunderbird, they will
get a box asking for username 'nd other stuff one needs to "Add An
Account" and if one closes it with a cancel and looks in they account
settings there has been a new account created, sans the identification,
etc. that has to be deleted to get Thunderbird to quit hiccuping?

Sheesh! I try to run registered, high dollar, proprietary OS shite to
please you MS pimps every other day of the week as an equal opportunity
gesture and means of appeasement 'nd you continue to publish bad
snippets of code, deep linked to conservative news sites like CNN that
kill every browser that tries to load em except I. E. 'nd when one
switches to I. E. to get the SOB to load, it install a Windows Version
of Dan's Guardian that is more tightly locked down than the one that
comes on the eepcs from Toys-R-Us preloaded with UbuntuCE(Christian
Edition) like Ken P. has been ripping all his Hair, hair, long beautiful
hair out trying to get disabled so his grand kids can get into their
FaceBook accounts so as not to be deprived of their online social
support networks. Sheesh! With that kind of crap going on, I can see why
a good, outstanding, reliable, normally normal seeming, Liberal would
abandon ARAA, join NHRA and take up re-loading antique Mauser ammunition
for a hobby.

Between all that and someone dumping a pile of shit on the ARAA floor
and leaving a piece of rotting carrion in the cabinet that is drawing
blowflies out of the woodwork in droves, I've got stomach cramps 'nd
something closely resembling the Karachi Trots. Beats shit out of me as
to why. The only thing I ate last night was about two pounds of fried
catfish nuggets and a pint of Dreyer's MAD MAXXX Peanut Brinkle Clunk
ice cream and half quart of buttermilk.

But this too shall pass and as Tex stated, pain is optional, therefore,
I refuse to acknowledge anyone else's pain other than my own and right
now, the passage of time is imperceptible due to to the *agony* of the
moment, or the fscken battery in my clock is run down again one.

But my SKYPE, Linux, laptop server is working good, but all the buttons
on my contact list are grayed out for some reason.

CC


mgh

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Dec 29, 2009, 6:26:44 AM12/29/09
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"Chronocidal Charlie" <c...@chronocidal-charlie.me> wrote in message
news:9oadnUTslYehf6TW...@giganews.com...

> mgh wrote:
>> "Ted L." <Ted...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:TedL719-854431...@mail.eternal-september.org...
>>> In article <hhasb4$tna$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, "SandyG"
>>> <moll...@askme.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yepper! And they are from Kimba's recipe!
>>>>
>>> You have Kimba's secret recipe???? You've been holding out on us. Shame
>>> on you.
>>>
>>
>> I hope this doesn't mean you'll pull out the Epilady, make me don my
>> green thong, look up my former co-tea-boy homerr...2k and start
>> welcoming newcomers and singing Happy Birthyday?!?
>>
>> peace mgh
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yd66b5x
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- news://bullshit complaints: news@bullshit ---

LOL - THAT was funny. :)

And needed as I'm in the middle of 80gig FTP round trip between sites.
Down wasn't bad, but up...
Shiiiiit - I watched all of Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid and it's still goin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Bjt0Z0psY
And you... Now I'm damn hungry...

Peanut Brinkle Clunk!
Fuckin 'a!
biatch.
:)

peace
mgh

And that newsfront shite wasn't mine.
I missed deleting it.
Mine was the tinyurl - that be OK!
A damn Google Groups Link!

Rob D.

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:39:19 PM12/29/09
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On Dec 28, 12:36 pm, "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Go to hell, booey.  I've been reading for a week or two and see
> essentially nothing AA related here.  

Gosh.

And yet, you've posted nothing AA-related, either.

You say you see no reason to. Okay.

So why do you post at all?

Seems to me you have decided to make yourself part of the problem,
rather than part of the solution.

Your choice, o'course. Hope that works out well for you.

When it doesn't—oh, do excuse me— IF it doesn't, you might check
back. Odds are, most of us will still be here, still sober, and more
than open to seeing and replying to that recovery post you say you
long for.

Rob

JoeRaisin

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Dec 29, 2009, 5:40:08 PM12/29/09
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CJ M. wrote:
> Go to hell, booey. I've been reading for a week or two and see
> essentially nothing AA related here. You assholes think this is a chat
> room for fucking with each other, don't you? Just take the AA name out
> of the title and keep it all to yourselves.
>
> The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that
> for considering what I've seen so far? I sure don't want what you
> people have here. Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
> came from.
>

Interesting then, that you are still here.

If you saw nothing you wanted - why would take the time to chastise us?
Unless, of course, your goal was to save us from ourselves?

Why did you come here in the first place? To be spoon fed an endless
litany of AA'isms? You can get that at any AA meeting.

If you want opinions of particular aspects of AA or AA as a whole all
you have to do is ask.

If you are troubled by your progress in the program or are facing a
particular hurdle in your life - you will find quite a few differing
views on whatever it is - heck you may even hear whatever it is you want
to hear, though I have rarely found that useful.

I have been participating in this forum for over a decade and this
'bunch of fools' may not agree with me on much - but they've always
appeared to give a shit when my life hasn't gone quite according to plan.

Go away or stay around - you won't make anyone's day or break anyone's
heart and our profit margin will stay exactly the same.

Lance Bresee

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Dec 29, 2009, 8:44:14 PM12/29/09
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On Dec 28, 12:25 pm, "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote:
> This is one fucked up group!  You should change the name to something
> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery.  If it
> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
> and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.

Half the harm that is done in this world
Is due to people who want to feel important
They don’t mean to do harm ­
But the harm does not interest them.
Or they do not see it, or they justify it
Because they are absorbed in the endless struggle
To think well of themselves.

T. S. Eliot

Rob D.

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Dec 29, 2009, 10:49:12 PM12/29/09
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On Dec 29, 4:40 pm, JoeRaisin <joeraisin2...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> Go away or stay around - you won't make anyone's day or break anyone's
> heart and our profit margin will stay exactly the same.

I dunno. If he goes, it gets cut in half, but if we can fool him into
staying, it gets doubled . . .

(David P.)

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Dec 29, 2009, 11:47:57 PM12/29/09
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JoeRaisin <joeraisin2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> CJ M. wrote:
> > [...]
> > The feller who said make an AA topic, why would I do that
> > considering what I've seen so far?  I sure don't want what y'all
> > have here.  Just a bunch o' fools who fergot where they
> > came from.
>
> Interesting then, that you are still here. If you saw nuttin' you
> wanted - why take time to chastise us? Unless, of course,

> your goal was to save us from ourselves?

Mebbe he's that there "orange-peels.org" guy.
.
.
--

SandyG

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Dec 30, 2009, 1:02:41 PM12/30/09
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Ted L. wrote:
> In article <hhasb4$tna$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "SandyG" <moll...@askme.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yepper! And they are from Kimba's recipe!
>>
>
> You have Kimba's secret recipe???? You've been holding out on us.
> Shame on you.


Sorry! :-(


--
- Sandy

"Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of

the light." - Dylan Thomas


SandyG

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Dec 30, 2009, 1:03:17 PM12/30/09
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mgh wrote:
> "Ted L." <Ted...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:TedL719-854431...@mail.eternal-september.org...
>> In article <hhasb4$tna$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> "SandyG" <moll...@askme.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yepper! And they are from Kimba's recipe!
>>>
>>
>> You have Kimba's secret recipe???? You've been holding out on us.
>> Shame on you.
>>
>
> I hope this doesn't mean you'll pull out the Epilady, make me don my
> green thong, look up my former co-tea-boy homerr...2k and start
> welcoming newcomers and singing Happy Birthyday?!?
>
> peace
> mgh
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yd66b5x
>
>


Well.... now that you mention it....

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mikewestvale

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:55:27 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 3:12 pm, Gary <yex...@sbell.net> wrote:
> The measurement is this:
>
> If he stays, he is a troll
>

> If he goes, then he's legit.


Kinda looks like we are all trolls here that being the case.


Tex

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Dec 30, 2009, 4:13:09 PM12/30/09
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:55:27 -0800 (PST), mikewestvale
<mikewe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Kinda looks like we are all trolls here that being the case.

Only recorded known trolls have all had one thing in common... their
names were Mike...Hah ha!

HankVC

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:02:11 PM12/30/09
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In article <hhats0$bd8$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

CJ M. <serenit...@geemail.com> wrote:
>Go to hell, booey. I've been reading for a week or two and see
>essentially nothing AA related here. You assholes think this is a chat
>room for fucking with each other, don't you? Just take the AA name out
>of the title and keep it all to yourselves.
>
>The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that
>for considering what I've seen so far? I sure don't want what you
>people have here. Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
>came from.
>
Did Mikey get a new sock puppet for Christmas?

F.H.

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:36:43 PM12/30/09
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Looks like he needed us more that we needed him. :)

mikewestvale

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:39:01 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 4:13 pm, Tex <twizz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:55:27 -0800 (PST), mikewestvale
>
> <mikewestv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Kinda looks like we are all trolls here that being the case.
>
> Only recorded known trolls have all had one thing in common... their
> names were Mike...Hah ha!

Arggghhh. May tedw move to the house next to yours.

F.H.

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Dec 30, 2009, 6:12:24 PM12/30/09
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tedw cannot leave his mother. Hmmm, maybe she /left/ him which might
explain his disappearance.

Stuart

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:56:17 PM12/30/09
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"CJ M." <serenit...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:hhats0$bd8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

> Go to hell, booey. I've been reading for a week or two and see
> essentially nothing AA related here. You assholes think this is a chat
> room for fucking with each other, don't you? Just take the AA name out
> of the title and keep it all to yourselves.
>
> The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that
> for considering what I've seen so far? I sure don't want what you
> people have here. Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
> came from.

Got a couple of topices fer ya...."anger is the dubious luxury of normal
men" or how 'bout "Resentment is the number one offender". If those don't
grab ya' there's always "humility as something to be desired"
or even a tradition "The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop
drinking" (membership in AA that is, not usenet)


>
>
> Baa Baa Booey wrote:
>
>>"CJ M." <serenit...@geemail.com> wrote in news:hhapm1$5ag$1
>>@news.eternal-september.org:


>>
>>> This is one fucked up group! You should change the name to
>>>something else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is
>>>recovery. If it wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be
>>>nothing about recovery and AA here. Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>>>
>>
>>

>>And you, my short peckered friend, sound like one of those
>>pontificating, know it all, but don't know shit types, that we all
>>listen to around the tables, to the point where people want to jab
>>themselves in the eye with a sharp stick, that have an answer for
>>everyfuckingthing.
>>
>>If you'd lurk long enough, you'd know that if someone has a real
>>problem, they can bring it up in this NG & they can find help in
>>reaching a solution.
>>
>>Recovery is a little more than just cracking the BB, sport. It's all
>>about getting into the mainstream of life & grabbing it by the balls.
>


Sharx35

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Dec 30, 2009, 9:52:37 PM12/30/09
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"mikewestvale" <mikewe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f54fbd4e-fa98-4f88...@n13g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

Bingo!!!!


>
>

Sharx35

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Dec 30, 2009, 9:53:02 PM12/30/09
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"mikewestvale" <mikewe...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:a1bd45fb-ecc0-416d...@q16g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...

May the fleas from a thousand camels....

Tex

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Dec 31, 2009, 12:23:36 AM12/31/09
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Well the upside would be being closer to god ... tedw has direct
contact ya know!

mgh

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Dec 31, 2009, 6:49:42 AM12/31/09
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"SandyG" <moll...@askme.net> wrote in message
news:hhg4lj$ek6$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

> mgh wrote:
>> "Ted L." <Ted...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:TedL719-854431...@mail.eternal-september.org...
>>> In article <hhasb4$tna$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> "SandyG" <moll...@askme.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yepper! And they are from Kimba's recipe!
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have Kimba's secret recipe???? You've been holding out on us.
>>> Shame on you.
>>>
>>
>> I hope this doesn't mean you'll pull out the Epilady, make me don my
>> green thong, look up my former co-tea-boy homerr...2k and start
>> welcoming newcomers and singing Happy Birthyday?!?
>>
>> peace
>> mgh
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yd66b5x
>>
>>
>
>
> Well.... now that you mention it....
>
> --
> - Sandy
>
>

Snert...

:)

peace
mgh

Message has been deleted

Hiccum Blurpaedius

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Jan 3, 2010, 10:58:12 AM1/3/10
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On Dec 28 2009, 12:25 pm, "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote:
> This is one fucked up group!  You should change the name to something
> else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery.  If it
> wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
> and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.

Crack heads like Dennis Cassidy will teach you how to collect social
security disabilty and run AA at the same time.
AA is for frauds to shove christianity down your throat via the jew.

Hiccum Blurpaedius

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Jan 3, 2010, 10:59:43 AM1/3/10
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On Dec 28 2009, 12:40 pm, Ken P <K...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:25:21 +0000 (UTC), CJ M. <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > This is one fucked up group!  You should change the name to something
> > else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery.  If it
> > wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
> > and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>
> The group will be dead by the new year. Might as well beat Juan's ass.
>
> --
> Ken P

You have to snort a mountain of cocaine for Attorney David Arlan to
represent you. He will get any governor out of prison.

God is a pedophile

Hiccum Blurpaedius

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On Dec 28 2009, 12:40 pm, "RonG" <r...@network12.com> wrote:
> "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hhapm1$5ag$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

>
> > This is one fucked up group!  You should change the name to something
> > else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery.  If it
> > wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
> > and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>
> Like many first time visitors here, you "assume" ARAA is AA. It is not.
> You might try reading the FAQ found at:
>
> http://www.nyx.net/~anon5f8e/
>
> Should you want to discuss AA or related recovery topics feel free to
> post your topics or ask your questions. You will be surprised what you
> find and learn.
>
> Welcome to ARAA
>
> RonG

Now Linda Irvin can get you out of cocaine trouble. Brown University
trained her.

AA is for frauds that do contracting work for the United States
Government.

God is a pedophile

Hiccum Blurpaedius

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Jan 3, 2010, 11:08:15 AM1/3/10
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On Dec 28 2009, 1:36 pm, "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Go to hell, booey.  I've been reading for a week or two and see
> essentially nothing AA related here.  You assholes think this is a chat
> room for fucking with each other, don't you?  Just take the AA name out
> of the title and keep it all to yourselves.
>
> The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that
> for considering what I've seen so far?  I sure don't want what you
> people have here.  Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
> came from.
>
>
>
> Baa Baa Booey wrote:
> >"CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote in news:hhapm1$5ag$1
> >@news.eternal-september.org:

>
> >> This is one fucked up group!  You should change the name to
> >>something  else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is
> >>recovery.  If it  wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be
> >>nothing about recovery  and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>
> >And you, my short peckered friend, sound like one of those
> >pontificating, know it all, but don't know shit types, that we all
> >listen to around the tables, to the point where people want to jab
> >themselves in the eye with a sharp stick, that have an answer for
> >everyfuckingthing.
>
> >If you'd lurk long enough, you'd know that if someone has a real
> >problem, they can bring it up in this NG & they can find help in
> >reaching a solution.
>
> >Recovery is a little more than just cracking the BB, sport. It's all
> >about getting into the mainstream of life & grabbing it by the balls.

Douglas Decicco dou...@cyborexis.net can teach you how to deal drugs
and carry high powered weaponry to threaten little children with.
He has important lawyers doing back dealing like John Rayson City
Attorney for the Town of Davie.
They both work to steal rights from the USA to build up jews.

Hiccum Blurpaedius

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Jan 3, 2010, 11:08:35 AM1/3/10
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On Dec 28 2009, 2:26 pm, "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "CJ M." <serenitylod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is one group!  You should change the name to something
> > else so the poor newcomer doesn't think about recovery.  If it
> > wasn't for the rosie posts there would be nuttin about recovery

> > and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.
>
> Prohibition Hangover - Garrett Peckhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUz9ZaFpIsY
>
> Garrett Peck on The Prohibition Hangoverhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1uJWBM68_w
>
> JibJab.com - Founding Fathers Raphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8U4T1IH1C8
>
> 3 Scents: Garrett Peck - Prohibition Hangoverhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLatNFgBbGs
> .
> .
> --

God is a pedophile

Hiccum Blurpaedius

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Jan 3, 2010, 11:10:53 AM1/3/10
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On Dec 28 2009, 2:37 pm, Baa Baa Booey <bo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote in news:hhats0$bd8$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:

>
> > Go to hell, booey.  I've been reading for a week or two and see
> > essentially nothing AA related here.  You assholes think this is a chat
> > room for fucking with each other, don't you?  Just take the AA name out
> > of the title and keep it all to yourselves.
>
> You got it Bozo...We fuck with each other, because most of us enjoy it &
> don't wear the AA badge on our chest, nor wear a hair shirt to do
> pennance.
>
> Once again, like I said earlier, if a person has a AA related topic, we
> will discuss it, but until then, we like fuckin' with each other & we
> like talking politics, smut, and anything else that comes up.
>
> If that doesn't suit you, you can take a big bite out of a farting fat
> guy's ass on your way out, but if you want to have some good natured fun,
> pull up a chair.

>
> > The fellow who said to make an AA topic, what the hell whould I do that
> > for considering what I've seen so far?  I sure don't want what you
> > people have here.  Just a bunch of fools who have forgotten where they
> > came from.
>
> That's where you're wrong... The reason we like fucking with each other
> is that we remember where we came from & enjoy the progress we've made.
> Most of us have been around long enough to know that we don't know shit,
> but are willing to learn.
>
> I'll follow your lead with the inventory taking. You sound like one of
> these guys that's been around 3-10 years & think they know & have seen it
> all. AHHH HAAA HAAA HAAA...Man, am I ever glad that I'm not like that
> today.
>
> WTF, there's more to working with others than just reciting the BB &
> working the steps...What about catching a movie, talking broads &
> chasin' them if the situation calls for it, or helping that newcomer
> paint his living room & yes, fucking with him ?
>
> I suppose that if you don't want what we have, you might want to check
> out these other fine newsgroups.
>
> alt.recovery.programrobots
> alt.bigbookblowhards
> alt.billw.wannabes
> alt.aa.iknoweverything
>
> Sorry you gotta go, you seem like a fun guy to fuck with.

Alcoholic junkies like cocaine colored hair Alan Binder want to
massage the rights out of AA to hand it over to Israel. Bring the war
home.

God is a pedophile

Hiccum Blurpaedius

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On Dec 28 2009, 2:40 pm, "Fred Exley" <fexley...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "CJ M." <serenitylod...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hhapm1$5ag$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > This is one fucked up group!  You should change the name to something
> > else so the poor newcomer doesn't think this shit is recovery.  If it
> > wasn't for the the rosie posts there would be nothing about recovery
> > and AA here.  Alt.Recovery.AA is a joke.\
>
> You might find these groups more to your liking:
>
> http://www.aa-lamplighters.org/
>
> and this other newsgroup:
>
> alt.recovery.addiction.alcoholism
>
> I started posting to alt.recovery.addiction.alcoholism whilst still drunk,
> but wanting to get sober, and believe it or not, it did help me get sober.
> That first 24 hours cold turkey was real bad, and one thing that kept me
> going was wanting to be able to post to that group that I had lasted 24
> hours. Rosie was quite helpful, as was a lady named Sheenah, who called me
> from England and was quite encouraging.
>
> After I had been sober awhile my mind began working again, and I began
> enjoying the mental gymnastics of sparring with others about various topics.
> But not wishing to offend anyone in the group that helped me get sober, I
> moved over here :)
>
> On the surface it is a lot of bickering and nasty pot-shots seemingly
> totally unrelated to alcohol here, but I view it as a bunch of ex-drunks
> celebrating their newfound faculties, sparring only with others here who
> choose to enter the gladiators' arena :)

Ah shut up.

Jesus is the result of a child rape.

God is a pedophile

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