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Ex-AA_Forev...@faceboink.com
May 23, 2012, 4:04:25 AM5/23/12
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How many people do you thing come to AA who are FAKE Alcoholics?
I'm not talking about those who come because they drink too much but are
not really alcoholics (yet). Or those who drink too much and are not
sure if they're alcoholics, and want to find out.
I'm talking about those who come to AA and are not even heavy drinkers.
They just come as a gag, or come because they think it's fun? Or I'd
suppose there are a few who imagine they are alcoholics because of
mental issues.
What would be the percentage of these types?
Personally I've never seen any, but how can one really know for sure?
I'm not talking about those who come because they drink too much but are
not really alcoholics (yet). Or those who drink too much and are not
sure if they're alcoholics, and want to find out.
I'm talking about those who come to AA and are not even heavy drinkers.
They just come as a gag, or come because they think it's fun? Or I'd
suppose there are a few who imagine they are alcoholics because of
mental issues.
What would be the percentage of these types?
Personally I've never seen any, but how can one really know for sure?
mike
May 23, 2012, 7:49:36 AM5/23/12
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There are spouses and parents who come along for support or because
they enjoy the fellowship afterwards. There are children that are
brought because the mother didn't have babysitting. There are social
outcasts and mentally handicapped people who don't have anywhere else
to go. There are people with other problems such as anxiety disorders
who can't cope with life who find others like themselves in meetings.
There are probably other examples too.
The bottom line is there are many people coming to AA who are not
addicted to alcoholic in the sense that they can't control their intake
once they begin to drink. My guess is 10-15%.
Ted L.
May 23, 2012, 12:33:06 PM5/23/12
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In article <xn0hyfepc...@reader.albasani.net>,
"mike" <into.act...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My guess is 10-15%.
Except for an occasional dog or very young child, ours is 0%. But then,
what we have is billed as a closed meeting. Very rarely when it's time
for a significant anniversary a spouse, and even older children, will
come for the first part of the meeting, but they leave before the small
group discussion of the step of the week. (Our meeting is a
step/tradition meeting.)
--
Ted L.
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.
"mike" <into.act...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My guess is 10-15%.
Except for an occasional dog or very young child, ours is 0%. But then,
what we have is billed as a closed meeting. Very rarely when it's time
for a significant anniversary a spouse, and even older children, will
come for the first part of the meeting, but they leave before the small
group discussion of the step of the week. (Our meeting is a
step/tradition meeting.)
--
Ted L.
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.
Jimbo
May 23, 2012, 2:24:24 PM5/23/12
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<Ex-AA_Forever#7428...@faceboink.com> wrote
> What would be the percentage of these types?
I would say 30%. My ideal group would have a bar and the new prospect would
take a drinking test in order for the membership committee to observe how
they react.
do drugs and drink
May 23, 2012, 4:41:26 PM5/23/12
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goddamned cults. I have met some of the biggest drug dealers AKA Texas
Governor and US President. Worthless pieces of religious shit. Death
and destruction to AA
Groundhog
May 24, 2012, 1:19:06 AM5/24/12
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Stuart
May 24, 2012, 9:17:34 AM5/24/12
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kinds of nutcases who come to meetings. Definitely. But it is not my place
to question anyone who comes.
Ex-AA_Forev...@faceboink.com
May 24, 2012, 9:25:22 AM5/24/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 07:17:34 -0600, "Stuart" <fred(NOSPAM)@shaw.ca>
wrote:
I agree about not questioning anyone who comes, but AA seems to almost
dictate that anyone who comes to closed meetings must be alcoholics.
Open meetings are for anyone who wants to come. I'm kind of surprised
that these nutcases are allowed to come to closed meetings. Yea, I
suppose it's not always possible to know who is real, and who is a fake,
but others must be more obvious. Why are they allowed to stay?
wrote:
dictate that anyone who comes to closed meetings must be alcoholics.
Open meetings are for anyone who wants to come. I'm kind of surprised
that these nutcases are allowed to come to closed meetings. Yea, I
suppose it's not always possible to know who is real, and who is a fake,
but others must be more obvious. Why are they allowed to stay?
Tim and Lisa
May 24, 2012, 9:33:20 AM5/24/12
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didn't care about any one else when I could not even take care of myself, I
was there to learn a new way to live. . .just sayin!!! ;o)
Jimbo
May 24, 2012, 11:40:15 AM5/24/12
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<Ex-AA_Forever#7428...@faceboink.com> wrote >
> I agree about not questioning anyone who comes, but AA seems to almost
> dictate that anyone who comes to closed meetings must be alcoholics.
When I belonged to a group, that group put on meetings and people wjho
> dictate that anyone who comes to closed meetings must be alcoholics.
attended the meeting who were not a member of the group were in fact our
guests.
We used to greet people as they came in and at our closed meeting we would
talk to anyone we did not recognise and quiz them on their alcoholism.
> Why are they allowed to stay?
the,m don't in fact really care.
That is one of the main reasons I have attended private AA meetings for
close to 10 years now.
Tim and Lisa
May 24, 2012, 11:43:43 AM5/24/12
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poles and everythang!!! ;o)
Fred Exley
May 24, 2012, 11:55:09 AM5/24/12
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some guy came up to her and suggested maybe her real problem was not
alcohol, but loneliness.
Tim and Lisa
May 24, 2012, 12:00:51 PM5/24/12
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He was playin the process of elimination but wanted to get to know her
first. . .Ha! Ha! ;o)
Charlie M. 1958
May 24, 2012, 12:33:36 PM5/24/12
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On 5/24/2012 10:55 AM, Fred Exley wrote:
> My blabby, nosey neighbor joined A.A. After about a month she told me
> some guy came up to her and suggested maybe her real problem was not
> alcohol, but loneliness.
I've known a few people over the years who, I suspect, were not really
> My blabby, nosey neighbor joined A.A. After about a month she told me
> some guy came up to her and suggested maybe her real problem was not
> alcohol, but loneliness.
alcoholics. That's just my opinion, based on how their stories differed
from /most/ alcoholics I've been acquainted with.
However, I don't think any of them were intentionally trying to pretend
to be alcoholics just so they could come to the meetings. It was more
like they were looking for something missing in their lives, and came to
AA because they occasionally drank too much. They found what they were
looking for, either in the fellowship aspect, or in terms of
spirituality, or both, and they stuck around.
But again, this is all just my perception. Not in a million years would
I think it was my place to tell someone they are not an alcoholic or
that they don't belong in AA. The most I have ever done is suggest
trying another fellowship if I think it might be better suited to their
expressed problems.
dav...@agent.com
May 24, 2012, 12:42:01 PM5/24/12
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"Jimbo" <jbl...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> When I belonged, that group put on meetings and people who
>attended who weren't a member were in fact our guests.
> We used to greet people as they came in & at our closed meeting we'd
>talk to anyone we didn't recognise & quiz 'em on their alcoholism.
Didn't you have readings at the beginning & then go around
the room with introductions? Where you say you're an alcoholic, or
have a problem with alcohol, or think you might have a problem?
> When I belonged, that group put on meetings and people who
>attended who weren't a member were in fact our guests.
> We used to greet people as they came in & at our closed meeting we'd
>talk to anyone we didn't recognise & quiz 'em on their alcoholism.
Didn't you have readings at the beginning & then go around
the room with introductions? Where you say you're an alcoholic, or
have a problem with alcohol, or think you might have a problem?
F.H.
May 24, 2012, 1:17:09 PM5/24/12
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On 5/24/2012 9:33 AM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
> I've known a few people over the years who, I suspect, were not really
> alcoholics. That's just my opinion, based on how their stories differed
> from /most/ alcoholics I've been acquainted with.
>
> However, I don't think any of them were intentionally trying to pretend
> to be alcoholics just so they could come to the meetings. It was more
> like they were looking for something missing in their lives, and came to
> AA because they occasionally drank too much. They found what they were
> looking for, either in the fellowship aspect, or in terms of
> spirituality, or both, and they stuck around.
I've mentioned my former barber Paul before, he was a drug addict, (coke
> I've known a few people over the years who, I suspect, were not really
> alcoholics. That's just my opinion, based on how their stories differed
> from /most/ alcoholics I've been acquainted with.
>
> However, I don't think any of them were intentionally trying to pretend
> to be alcoholics just so they could come to the meetings. It was more
> like they were looking for something missing in their lives, and came to
> AA because they occasionally drank too much. They found what they were
> looking for, either in the fellowship aspect, or in terms of
> spirituality, or both, and they stuck around.
I think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30 years
now (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA
crowd. He went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an
alcoholic. No one seemed to bitch and all these years later he's one of
the most active members. Sponsoring, free haircuts, etc.. This is a
guy who /thrives/ in the fellowship.
A few weeks ago someone at Diane's work gave her a couple dozen men's
long sleeve shirts. Large size, like new. I didn't need them so I
called Paul. Some of those free haircuts now include a nice shirt.
mike
May 24, 2012, 1:19:02 PM5/24/12
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Jimbo wrote:
>>Why are they allowed to stay?
>
>Cuz 99% of the AA's don't have the balls to ask them to leave and
>most of the,m don't in fact really care.
At my home group we have a closed discussion meeting on Fridays and an
>>Why are they allowed to stay?
>
>Cuz 99% of the AA's don't have the balls to ask them to leave and
>most of the,m don't in fact really care.
open beginner meeting on Tuesdays. The open meeting was created in
response to the fact that we would stop non-alcoholics from attending
the closed meeting. Many members were uncomfortable or refused to say
something to the non-alcoholics.
Our greeter's job is to greet people and approach those they don't
recognize to make sure they realize this is a closed meeting and what
that means. This usually prevents any embarrassment during the
meeting, but occassionaly people get through. When that happens they
are approached afterwards by a group member who will try to find out if
they consider themselves alcoholic. If not then they are provided
information about open meetings. This seems to get the message across
to most people.
When I lived in New York back in the 1980's if a non-alcoholic found
their way into a closed meeting the chairman would immediately take a
group conscience vote to see if the people wanted to make the meeting
open. If one person objected then the visitor was asked to leave.
Charlie M. 1958
May 24, 2012, 1:42:33 PM5/24/12
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their major problem with something other than alcohol. Most all of them
will call themselves alcoholics, and tell you that they can't drink
because the alcohol always led them into "bigger and better" substances.
I don't think those guys have any less right than me to be in the rooms.
Tim and Lisa
May 24, 2012, 1:44:29 PM5/24/12
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Groundhog
May 24, 2012, 1:51:12 PM5/24/12
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Jimbo
May 24, 2012, 2:49:15 PM5/24/12
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"F.H." wrote >>
> I've mentioned my former barber Paul before, he was a drug addict, (coke I
> think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30 years now
> (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA crowd. He
> went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an alcoholic.
That is all very nice for him but the question is can he carry the AA
> think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30 years now
> (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA crowd. He
> went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an alcoholic.
message of recovery to an alcoholic?
I've sat theu many drugalogs and sexalogogs and eatingologs and have never,
ever been able to identify with them.
Tim and Lisa
May 24, 2012, 2:51:42 PM5/24/12
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it. . .;o)
ALL GOOD TIMBURR
Tim and Lisa
May 24, 2012, 3:20:28 PM5/24/12
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F.H.
May 24, 2012, 3:25:12 PM5/24/12
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On 5/24/2012 11:49 AM, Jimbo wrote:
> "F.H." wrote>>
>> I've mentioned my former barber Paul before, he was a drug addict, (coke I
>> think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30 years now
>> (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA crowd. He
>> went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an alcoholic.
>
> That is all very nice for him but the question is can he carry the AA
> message of recovery to an alcoholic?
Well, if he couldn't I'm sure one of the AA elitists would have marched
> "F.H." wrote>>
>> I've mentioned my former barber Paul before, he was a drug addict, (coke I
>> think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30 years now
>> (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA crowd. He
>> went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an alcoholic.
>
> That is all very nice for him but the question is can he carry the AA
> message of recovery to an alcoholic?
him to the exit by now. Then again, maybe he fooled them. I shudder to
think of the damage this imposter, this wannabe alkie might have done to
unsuspecting alcoholics in the last 30 years by not carrying the message
the *right* way.
> I've sat theu many drugalogs and sexalogogs and eatingologs and have never,
> ever been able to identify with them.
you could though.
Tommy
May 24, 2012, 4:10:08 PM5/24/12
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Hey Mikey,,,,,, this one is for you
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Cheers
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Ex-AA_Forev...@faceboink.com
May 24, 2012, 4:48:59 PM5/24/12
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meeting because they were drunk. Ummmmmmm. I thought that was the
purpose of AA????? Granted, one guy was disrupting the meeting. He
would not shut up, and was told to keep his mouth shut, several times
before being asked to leave. But the others were just asked to leave
and told they could come back when they were sober.
Tim and Lisa
May 24, 2012, 5:09:20 PM5/24/12
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of the group and approached the guy and offer him a cup of coffee then
lourer him outside fur a smoke and a pancake, Eh? ;o)
Sharx3335
May 24, 2012, 8:39:14 PM5/24/12
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wearing the "fuck me" pumps, eh?
>
>
Sharx3335
May 24, 2012, 8:43:26 PM5/24/12
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Sharx3335
May 24, 2012, 8:42:49 PM5/24/12
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introducing her to his close bud, "Mr. Johnson"?
Sharx3335
May 24, 2012, 8:47:33 PM5/24/12
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>
You just have to LISTEN a little harder, EMPATHIZE a little more...
Surely you can understand those who tried filling both their "inner
holes" and "spiritual holes" with thick, hard penises??!!
Stuart
May 24, 2012, 9:46:31 PM5/24/12
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That's why.
Jimbo
May 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM5/24/12
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"Stuart" wrote >>
> "The only requirement for membership is a desire to quit drinking."
> That's why.
Read the Tradition in its entirety in the long form. Also, this applies to
> That's why.
membership in the AA fellowship and not in a specific group as groups are
free to create thir own membership rules.
Groundhog
May 24, 2012, 11:02:16 PM5/24/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 18:39:14 -0600, "Sharx3335"
<shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It would be a distraction to those busy scoping out the babes
> wearing the "fuck me" pumps, eh?
Early in my meeting days I heard it referred to as "sport fucking".
<shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It would be a distraction to those busy scoping out the babes
> wearing the "fuck me" pumps, eh?
Groundhog
May 24, 2012, 11:04:02 PM5/24/12
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Groundhog
May 24, 2012, 11:06:16 PM5/24/12
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couldn't be filled!
Definitely didn't make me think about drinking!
I guess there are some things I miss about going to meetings.
Ex-AA_Forev...@faceboink.com
May 25, 2012, 4:38:40 AM5/25/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:46:31 -0600, "Stuart" <fred(NOSPAM)@shaw.ca>
So a guy comes to a meeting drunk. Does that mean he does not have a
/desire/ to quit drinking?
Hell, looking back on my own drinking, when I was drunk, the last place
I'd want to go is to an AA meeting. I'd want to go to a bar, or party,
or anywhere where drinking occurs, not to AA. If I WAS to go to AA,
that would mean I have a *desire* to quit. Not necessarily that I *had*
quit (or I'd not be drunk). But the key word is *DESIRE*.
What's the point of even having AA meetings, if a person cant attend a
meeting while drunk. Are they supposed to get sober BEFORE coming to
AA? That's really stupid! If this is the case, then why go to AA at
all. Quit drinking elsewhere, and only go to AA for religion after
getting sober.
Granted, the guy who continued to disrupt the meeting after being told
to shut up and listen numerous times, really needed to leave, because he
was not following the rules or cooperating. But the others who came
drunk and were on fairly good behavior, even if they staggered, stumbled
and maybe spilled a coffee, should have been allowed to stay.
Then again, I'm mostly baseing this on the local group here, who in my
opinion only used the name "AA" as an excuse to have a place to
entertain their own *country club* for the rich guys in town. In my
opinion, this group should not even be using the AA name., because they
dont follow the AA meeting rules.
/desire/ to quit drinking?
Hell, looking back on my own drinking, when I was drunk, the last place
I'd want to go is to an AA meeting. I'd want to go to a bar, or party,
or anywhere where drinking occurs, not to AA. If I WAS to go to AA,
that would mean I have a *desire* to quit. Not necessarily that I *had*
quit (or I'd not be drunk). But the key word is *DESIRE*.
What's the point of even having AA meetings, if a person cant attend a
meeting while drunk. Are they supposed to get sober BEFORE coming to
AA? That's really stupid! If this is the case, then why go to AA at
all. Quit drinking elsewhere, and only go to AA for religion after
getting sober.
Granted, the guy who continued to disrupt the meeting after being told
to shut up and listen numerous times, really needed to leave, because he
was not following the rules or cooperating. But the others who came
drunk and were on fairly good behavior, even if they staggered, stumbled
and maybe spilled a coffee, should have been allowed to stay.
Then again, I'm mostly baseing this on the local group here, who in my
opinion only used the name "AA" as an excuse to have a place to
entertain their own *country club* for the rich guys in town. In my
opinion, this group should not even be using the AA name., because they
dont follow the AA meeting rules.
JoeRaisin
May 25, 2012, 6:27:51 AM5/25/12
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The compulsion, the self talk, the regret, the self loathing - all the
stuff that the different addictions and compulsions have in common.
JoeRaisin
May 25, 2012, 6:30:48 AM5/25/12
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What the heck do you think was part of the driving force behind Dahmer's
many insanities?
Jimbo
May 25, 2012, 7:43:26 AM5/25/12
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<Ex-AA_Forever#7428...@faceboink.com> wrote
> So a guy comes to a meeting drunk. Does that mean he does not have a
> /desire/ to quit drinking?
Back in the early days of AA some groups would take a member who would not
> /desire/ to quit drinking?
stay sober out behind the club house and give him a beating.
It works! It really does!!
Ex-AA_Forev...@faceboink.com
May 25, 2012, 8:11:26 AM5/25/12
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Although it wasn't at AA, it too worked!!!
There's a time and place for everything....
On the other hand, if that was at a gay AA meeting, the "beating" would
be a whole lot different, and the meat would be flying :)
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 9:34:49 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 11:55 AM, Fred Exley wrote:
> My blabby, nosey neighbor joined A.A. After about a month she told me
> some guy came up to her and suggested maybe her real problem was not
> alcohol, but loneliness.
I tend to agree with you Fred...This kind of thing prolly happens more
> My blabby, nosey neighbor joined A.A. After about a month she told me
> some guy came up to her and suggested maybe her real problem was not
> alcohol, but loneliness.
than we realize...I suspect that there are a lot of attention whores in
AA, that crave a soapbox, and face it, in AA, they have just that.
--
Dr. Skeezix LaRocca, D.B. (Doctor Of Buffoonery)
Registered Linux Novice & Abuser #526706
We aren't cheap, but we're reasonable
No appointment needed
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 9:36:46 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 08:43 PM, Sharx3335 wrote:
>
> To "know" her in the Biblical sense, naturally?
>
>
Yeah, he was prolly just dyin' to show her the pleated pork roll.
>
> To "know" her in the Biblical sense, naturally?
>
>
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 9:40:45 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 01:17 PM, F.H. wrote:
>
> I've mentioned my former barber Paul before, he was a drug addict, (coke
> I think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30 years now
> (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA crowd. He
> went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an alcoholic.
>
> I've mentioned my former barber Paul before, he was a drug addict, (coke
> I think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30 years now
> (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA crowd. He
> went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an alcoholic.
> No one seemed to bitch and all these years later he's one of the most
> active members. Sponsoring, free haircuts, etc.. This is a guy who
> /thrives/ in the fellowship.
I know a few guys like that...Though they did drink, it was not their
> active members. Sponsoring, free haircuts, etc.. This is a guy who
> /thrives/ in the fellowship.
drug of choice.
>
> A few weeks ago someone at Diane's work gave her a couple dozen men's
> long sleeve shirts. Large size, like new. I didn't need them so I called
> Paul. Some of those free haircuts now include a nice shirt.
There ya go ...You just never know...Paul sounds like a hell of a guy.
> A few weeks ago someone at Diane's work gave her a couple dozen men's
> long sleeve shirts. Large size, like new. I didn't need them so I called
> Paul. Some of those free haircuts now include a nice shirt.
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 9:55:33 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 01:19 PM, mike wrote:
> open beginner meeting on Tuesdays. The open meeting was created in
> response to the fact that we would stop non-alcoholics from attending
> the closed meeting. Many members were uncomfortable or refused to say
> something to the non-alcoholics.
>
> Our greeter's job is to greet people and approach those they don't
> recognize to make sure they realize this is a closed meeting and what
> that means. This usually prevents any embarrassment during the
> meeting, but occassionaly people get through. When that happens they
> are approached afterwards by a group member who will try to find out if
> they consider themselves alcoholic. If not then they are provided
> information about open meetings. This seems to get the message across
> to most people.
It sounds like you guys have a good group.
>
> When I lived in New York back in the 1980's if a non-alcoholic found
> their way into a closed meeting the chairman would immediately take a
> group conscience vote to see if the people wanted to make the meeting
> open. If one person objected then the visitor was asked to leave.
I have many times been the hard ass that said the non drunk had to leave.
Many times a non drunk tries to sneak in because of nose trouble, or to
keep an eye on their significant other...Do you really think these folks
are going to abide by..."What you see here, what you say here, who you
see here, stays here"?
Why would any non drunk even want to come to an AA meeting ?
> Jimbo wrote:
>
>>> Why are they allowed to stay?
>>
>
>>> Why are they allowed to stay?
>>
>> Cuz 99% of the AA's don't have the balls to ask them to leave and
>> most of the,m don't in fact really care.
>
> At my home group we have a closed discussion meeting on Fridays and an
>> most of the,m don't in fact really care.
>
> open beginner meeting on Tuesdays. The open meeting was created in
> response to the fact that we would stop non-alcoholics from attending
> the closed meeting. Many members were uncomfortable or refused to say
> something to the non-alcoholics.
>
> Our greeter's job is to greet people and approach those they don't
> recognize to make sure they realize this is a closed meeting and what
> that means. This usually prevents any embarrassment during the
> meeting, but occassionaly people get through. When that happens they
> are approached afterwards by a group member who will try to find out if
> they consider themselves alcoholic. If not then they are provided
> information about open meetings. This seems to get the message across
> to most people.
It sounds like you guys have a good group.
>
> When I lived in New York back in the 1980's if a non-alcoholic found
> their way into a closed meeting the chairman would immediately take a
> group conscience vote to see if the people wanted to make the meeting
> open. If one person objected then the visitor was asked to leave.
I have many times been the hard ass that said the non drunk had to leave.
Many times a non drunk tries to sneak in because of nose trouble, or to
keep an eye on their significant other...Do you really think these folks
are going to abide by..."What you see here, what you say here, who you
see here, stays here"?
Why would any non drunk even want to come to an AA meeting ?
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 9:56:53 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 05:09 PM, Tim and Lisa wrote:
>
> Somebody whiff some exp under there belt should of stepped up fur the
> good of the group and approached the guy and offer him a cup of coffee
> then lourer him outside fur a smoke and a pancake, Eh? ;o)
Or at the very least a smoked eel, and a burrito.
>
> Somebody whiff some exp under there belt should of stepped up fur the
> good of the group and approached the guy and offer him a cup of coffee
> then lourer him outside fur a smoke and a pancake, Eh? ;o)
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 9:58:18 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 09:46 PM, Stuart wrote:
>
> "The only requirement for membership is a desire to quit drinking."
> That's why.
>
>
Prezactly ! :)
>
> "The only requirement for membership is a desire to quit drinking."
> That's why.
>
>
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 9:59:26 AM5/25/12
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On 05/25/2012 07:43 AM, Jimbo wrote:
>
> Back in the early days of AA some groups would take a member who would not
> stay sober out behind the club house and give him a beating.
>
> It works! It really does!!
>
>
The end result...A beat up drunk with a reason to get drunk at people.
>
> Back in the early days of AA some groups would take a member who would not
> stay sober out behind the club house and give him a beating.
>
> It works! It really does!!
>
>
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 10:01:25 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 11:02 PM, Groundhog wrote:
>
> Early in my meeting days I heard it referred to as "sport fucking".
>
Finally, a guy who gets it. :)
>
> Early in my meeting days I heard it referred to as "sport fucking".
>
Skeezix LaRocca
May 25, 2012, 10:02:13 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 03:20 PM, Tim and Lisa wrote:
>
> If they smell. . .sniff-sniff test why don't cha!!!! ;o)
Yup, stay away from the fish chowder.
>
> If they smell. . .sniff-sniff test why don't cha!!!! ;o)
Yup, stay away from the fish chowder.
Mark Warner
May 25, 2012, 10:15:13 AM5/25/12
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Groundhog wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:44:29 -0700, "Tim and Lisa"
> <twor...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> "Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message
> news:jplru9$d3l$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>> On 5/24/2012 12:17 PM, F.H. wrote:
>> > On 5/24/2012 9:33 AM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've known a few people over the years who, I suspect, were not
> really
>> >> alcoholics. That's just my opinion, based on how their stories
> differed
>> >> from /most/ alcoholics I've been acquainted with.
>> >>
>> >> However, I don't think any of them were intentionally trying to
> pretend
>> >> to be alcoholics just so they could come to the meetings. It was
> more
>> >> like they were looking for something missing in their lives, and
> came to
>> >> AA because they occasionally drank too much. They found what
> they were
>> >> looking for, either in the fellowship aspect, or in terms of
>> >> spirituality, or both, and they stuck around.
> have
>> their major problem with something other than alcohol. Most all of
> them
>> will call themselves alcoholics, and tell you that they can't drink
>> because the alcohol always led them into "bigger and better"
> substances.
>
>
>> I don't think those guys have any less right than me to be in the
> rooms.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Especially if they can learned rigorous Honesty!!!! ;o)
>
> Or at least how to indent their posts.
>
Speechless.
--
Mark Warner
...lose .inhibitions when replying
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:44:29 -0700, "Tim and Lisa"
> <twor...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> "Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message
> news:jplru9$d3l$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>> On 5/24/2012 12:17 PM, F.H. wrote:
>> > On 5/24/2012 9:33 AM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've known a few people over the years who, I suspect, were not
> really
>> >> alcoholics. That's just my opinion, based on how their stories
> differed
>> >> from /most/ alcoholics I've been acquainted with.
>> >>
>> >> However, I don't think any of them were intentionally trying to
> pretend
>> >> to be alcoholics just so they could come to the meetings. It was
> more
>> >> like they were looking for something missing in their lives, and
> came to
>> >> AA because they occasionally drank too much. They found what
> they were
>> >> looking for, either in the fellowship aspect, or in terms of
>> >> spirituality, or both, and they stuck around.
>> >
>> > I've mentioned my former barber Paul before, he was a drug
> addict, (coke
>> > I think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30
> years now
>> > (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA
> crowd. He
>> > went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an
> alcoholic.
>> > No one seemed to bitch and all these years later he's one of the
> most
>> > active members. Sponsoring, free haircuts, etc.. This is a guy who
>> > /thrives/ in the fellowship.
>> >
>> > I've mentioned my former barber Paul before, he was a drug
> addict, (coke
>> > I think). Lost a thriving business over it. Sober close to 30
> years now
>> > (where does the time go) he never felt comfortable with the NA
> crowd. He
>> > went to AA, got sober and has always introduced himself as an
> alcoholic.
>> > No one seemed to bitch and all these years later he's one of the
> most
>> > active members. Sponsoring, free haircuts, etc.. This is a guy who
>> > /thrives/ in the fellowship.
>> >
>> > A few weeks ago someone at Diane's work gave her a couple dozen
> men's
>> > long sleeve shirts. Large size, like new. I didn't need them so I
> called
>> > Paul. Some of those free haircuts now include a nice shirt.
>
>
>> Yeah, some of the people whose sobriety I respect most happened to
> men's
>> > long sleeve shirts. Large size, like new. I didn't need them so I
> called
>> > Paul. Some of those free haircuts now include a nice shirt.
>
>
> have
>> their major problem with something other than alcohol. Most all of
> them
>> will call themselves alcoholics, and tell you that they can't drink
>> because the alcohol always led them into "bigger and better"
> substances.
>
>
>> I don't think those guys have any less right than me to be in the
> rooms.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Especially if they can learned rigorous Honesty!!!! ;o)
>
> Or at least how to indent their posts.
>
Speechless.
--
Mark Warner
...lose .inhibitions when replying
Stuart
May 25, 2012, 2:42:32 PM5/25/12
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<Ex-AA_Forever#7428...@faceboink.com> wrote in message
news:5dgur7t6satrbjuko...@4ax.com...
disruptive, drunk or sober. If anyone comes, I have to presume they have a
desire to stop drinking. AA believes in powerlessness over alcohol. To deny
someone drunk from attending tends to downplay this aspect of alcoholism, in
my opinion of course.
Tex
May 25, 2012, 2:46:26 PM5/25/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 12:42:32 -0600, "Stuart" <fred(NOSPAM)@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>Anyone should be permitted to stay at a meeting provided they aren't being
>disruptive, drunk or sober. If anyone comes, I have to presume they have a
>desire to stop drinking. AA believes in powerlessness over alcohol. To deny
>someone drunk from attending tends to downplay this aspect of alcoholism, in
>my opinion of course.
I never presume someone has a desire to stop drinking ... not even of
myself.
wrote:
>Anyone should be permitted to stay at a meeting provided they aren't being
>disruptive, drunk or sober. If anyone comes, I have to presume they have a
>desire to stop drinking. AA believes in powerlessness over alcohol. To deny
>someone drunk from attending tends to downplay this aspect of alcoholism, in
>my opinion of course.
myself.
Groundhog
May 25, 2012, 7:56:44 PM5/25/12
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That IS funny.
Groundhog
May 25, 2012, 7:58:53 PM5/25/12
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;)
Ex-AA_Forev...@faceboink.com
May 25, 2012, 9:11:42 PM5/25/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 12:42:32 -0600, "Stuart" <fred(NOSPAM)@shaw.ca>
>news:5dgur7t6satrbjuko...@4ax.com...
Otherwise there is no point in having AA.
I dont think much of the program, but I do agree that if a person wants
to attend, they should be allowed to stay, drunk or sober.... (unless
disruptive). Once that part of AA stops, the group is worthless.
I believe this local group here, is worthless as it now exists.
>news:5dgur7t6satrbjuko...@4ax.com...
>> dont follow the AA meeting rules.
>
>Anyone should be permitted to stay at a meeting provided they aren't being
>disruptive, drunk or sober. If anyone comes, I have to presume they have a
>desire to stop drinking. AA believes in powerlessness over alcohol. To deny
>someone drunk from attending tends to downplay this aspect of alcoholism, in
>my opinion of course.
>
I totally agree!!!!
>
>Anyone should be permitted to stay at a meeting provided they aren't being
>disruptive, drunk or sober. If anyone comes, I have to presume they have a
>desire to stop drinking. AA believes in powerlessness over alcohol. To deny
>someone drunk from attending tends to downplay this aspect of alcoholism, in
>my opinion of course.
>
Otherwise there is no point in having AA.
I dont think much of the program, but I do agree that if a person wants
to attend, they should be allowed to stay, drunk or sober.... (unless
disruptive). Once that part of AA stops, the group is worthless.
I believe this local group here, is worthless as it now exists.
Ex-AA_Forev...@faceboink.com
May 25, 2012, 9:17:18 PM5/25/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 09:55:33 -0400, Skeezix LaRocca <fatl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Many times a non drunk tries to sneak in because of nose trouble, or to
>keep an eye on their significant other...Do you really think these folks
>are going to abide by..."What you see here, what you say here, who you
>see here, stays here"?
Yea, I'd sure not want some non-drunk repeating any meeting drunkalogs.
That could be considered an education, and teach others how to become an
alcoholic. (Which of course would add to the numbers in AA). Then
again, education is never free. I'd only allow the non-drunk to stay if
they paid tuition, based on current college tuition prices.
wrote:
>Many times a non drunk tries to sneak in because of nose trouble, or to
>keep an eye on their significant other...Do you really think these folks
>are going to abide by..."What you see here, what you say here, who you
>see here, stays here"?
That could be considered an education, and teach others how to become an
alcoholic. (Which of course would add to the numbers in AA). Then
again, education is never free. I'd only allow the non-drunk to stay if
they paid tuition, based on current college tuition prices.
spv...@gmail.com
Jul 17, 2015, 11:37:00 PM7/17/15
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You're a fucking retard, OP. You realize you just invented a problem to worry about, right? Get a fucking life and stop worrying about what complete strangers may or may not be doing. Loser.
Skeezix LaRocca
Jul 18, 2015, 9:33:56 AM7/18/15
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On 07/17/2015 11:36 PM, spv...@gmail.com wrote:
> You're a fucking retard, OP. You realize you just invented a problem to worry about, right? Get a fucking life and stop worrying about what complete strangers may or may not be doing. Loser.
>
Hello Newman !!!
> You're a fucking retard, OP. You realize you just invented a problem to worry about, right? Get a fucking life and stop worrying about what complete strangers may or may not be doing. Loser.
>
--
Freedom of religion is great, but I'll take freedom FROM it any day.
cvande...@gmail.com
Sep 28, 2016, 4:20:46 PM9/28/16
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Mike T.
Sep 28, 2016, 5:26:09 PM9/28/16
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don't want to go to NA, people who are lonely and enjoy the social aspect
of the fellowship, court ordered people who have no intention of stopping,
stalkers, or those who think it's fashionable. There are probably more
types and probably even a higher total percentage.
Orange Jews
Sep 28, 2016, 6:11:27 PM9/28/16
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You can even lie and say you are an alcoholic and no one will investigate.
Outrageous. Members should have alcoholic licenses with before and after pictures to qualify for membership.
And you must know the AA salute. (Shh don't tell anyone, take out your dentures and hold them up with the right hand)
jimbo
Sep 28, 2016, 11:34:49 PM9/28/16
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On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 18:11:27 UTC-4, Orange Jews wrote:
> And you must know the AA salute. (Shh don't tell anyone, take out your dentures and hold them up with the right hand)
In my area you have to take out your dentures and place them ion the knob of your dick.
> And you must know the AA salute. (Shh don't tell anyone, take out your dentures and hold them up with the right hand)
Charlie M. 1958
Sep 28, 2016, 11:43:52 PM9/28/16
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Skeezix LaRocca
Sep 30, 2016, 9:39:57 AM9/30/16
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On 09/28/2016 05:26 PM, Mike T. wrote:
>
> My guess is at least 30%. These are people who are really drug addicts but
> don't want to go to NA, people who are lonely and enjoy the social aspect
> of the fellowship, court ordered people who have no intention of stopping,
> stalkers, or those who think it's fashionable. There are probably more
> types and probably even a higher total percentage.
>
Eat shit, Mike...I hate it when we agree. :)
>
> My guess is at least 30%. These are people who are really drug addicts but
> don't want to go to NA, people who are lonely and enjoy the social aspect
> of the fellowship, court ordered people who have no intention of stopping,
> stalkers, or those who think it's fashionable. There are probably more
> types and probably even a higher total percentage.
>
Skeezix LaRocca
Sep 30, 2016, 9:40:42 AM9/30/16
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On 09/28/2016 11:43 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
>
> Dentures? Those are for uppity northerners.
>
>
> Dentures? Those are for uppity northerners.
>
Mike T.
Sep 30, 2016, 10:17:20 AM9/30/16
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Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
>On 09/28/2016 05:26 PM, Mike T. wrote:
>
>>
>>My guess is at least 30%. These are people who are really drug
>>addicts but don't want to go to NA, people who are lonely and enjoy
>>the social aspect of the fellowship, court ordered people who have
>>no intention of stopping, stalkers, or those who think it's
>>fashionable. There are probably more types and probably even a
>>higher total percentage.
>>
>
>Eat shit, Mike...I hate it when we agree. :)
I started sponsoring a guy who had been around AA for 6-7 years without
>On 09/28/2016 05:26 PM, Mike T. wrote:
>
>>
>>My guess is at least 30%. These are people who are really drug
>>addicts but don't want to go to NA, people who are lonely and enjoy
>>the social aspect of the fellowship, court ordered people who have
>>no intention of stopping, stalkers, or those who think it's
>>fashionable. There are probably more types and probably even a
>>higher total percentage.
>>
>
>Eat shit, Mike...I hate it when we agree. :)
drinking. He had always been an outsider within the fellowship and no
one really liked him. Over the course of several months I became more
frustrated with this guy than anyone else I have ever worked with.
Every day he would call me and complain about former girlfriends and I
would end up cutting him off and trying to get the focus back on his
actions.
During a Fifth Step inventory the same old thing came up again. He
finally admitted he really didn't have a problem with drinking and
could stop any time he wanted. He just had a problem with
relationships and was trying to use the program to fix himself. He was
happy that he came to realize alcohol had never been a problem for him.
Not long afterwards he dropped out and hasn't come back. I see him
occasionally servicing copier equipment at my kid's school and he's
told me life is fine and drinking is back in his life without any
problems.
Mark Warner
Sep 30, 2016, 10:33:25 AM9/30/16
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Ken P
Sep 30, 2016, 10:59:31 AM9/30/16
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to drink again after many years in AA. I was a candy ass drinker
compared to the people who are in my mixed family. I never developed the
capacity to handle large amounts of booze. I also never developed the
ability to control my drinking. Was I a *real* alcoholic? In my mind
I was and am and I believe that is enough to give me membership in AA.
--
Ken P
Mark Warner
Sep 30, 2016, 11:02:37 AM9/30/16
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Ken P
Sep 30, 2016, 11:10:43 AM9/30/16
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--
Ken P
Mark Warner
Sep 30, 2016, 12:52:47 PM9/30/16
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On 9/30/2016 11:10 AM, Ken P wrote:
That too.
Skeezix LaRocca
Sep 30, 2016, 1:51:05 PM9/30/16
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On 09/30/2016 11:02 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
>
> Sheep fuckers are always welcome.
>
So are bald pig fuckers.
>
> Sheep fuckers are always welcome.
>
Charlie M. 1958
Sep 30, 2016, 3:11:34 PM9/30/16
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On 9/30/2016 12:51 PM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
> On 09/30/2016 11:02 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
>
>>
>> Sheep fuckers are always welcome.
>>
>
> So are bald pig fuckers.
Hey... I never fucked a bald pig in my life!
> On 09/30/2016 11:02 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
>
>>
>> Sheep fuckers are always welcome.
>>
>
> So are bald pig fuckers.
Mark Warner
Sep 30, 2016, 4:22:22 PM9/30/16
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Skeezix LaRocca
Sep 30, 2016, 9:04:24 PM9/30/16
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On 09/30/2016 03:11 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
>
> Hey... I never fucked a bald pig in my life!
>
Sorry, but you ain't foolin' anyone.
>
> Hey... I never fucked a bald pig in my life!
>
https://postimg.org/image/qf2jye9s9/
Charlie M. 1958
Sep 30, 2016, 11:06:00 PM9/30/16
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On 9/30/2016 8:04 PM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
> On 09/30/2016 03:11 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey... I never fucked a bald pig in my life!
>>
>
> Sorry, but you ain't foolin' anyone.
>
> https://postimg.org/image/qf2jye9s9/
I dated that girl once!
> On 09/30/2016 03:11 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey... I never fucked a bald pig in my life!
>>
>
> Sorry, but you ain't foolin' anyone.
>
> https://postimg.org/image/qf2jye9s9/
Charlie M. 1958
Sep 30, 2016, 11:13:33 PM9/30/16
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maxjame...@gmail.com
Nov 6, 2018, 11:43:48 AM11/6/18
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On Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-5, jimbo wrote:
> <Ex-AA_Forever#7428...@faceboink.com> wrote >
> > I agree about not questioning anyone who comes, but AA seems to almost
> > dictate that anyone who comes to closed meetings must be alcoholics.
>
> When I belonged to a group, that group put on meetings and people wjho
> attended the meeting who were not a member of the group were in fact our
> guests.
>
> We used to greet people as they came in and at our closed meeting we would
> talk to anyone we did not recognise and quiz them on their alcoholism.
>
> > Why are they allowed to stay?
>
> Cuz 99% of the AA's don't have the balls to ask them to leave and most of
> the,m don't in fact really care.
>
> That is one of the main reasons I have attended private AA meetings for
> close to 10 years now.
um because they might have a problem with alcohol? See your Big Book.
> <Ex-AA_Forever#7428...@faceboink.com> wrote >
> > I agree about not questioning anyone who comes, but AA seems to almost
> > dictate that anyone who comes to closed meetings must be alcoholics.
>
> When I belonged to a group, that group put on meetings and people wjho
> attended the meeting who were not a member of the group were in fact our
> guests.
>
> We used to greet people as they came in and at our closed meeting we would
> talk to anyone we did not recognise and quiz them on their alcoholism.
>
> > Why are they allowed to stay?
>
> Cuz 99% of the AA's don't have the balls to ask them to leave and most of
> the,m don't in fact really care.
>
> That is one of the main reasons I have attended private AA meetings for
> close to 10 years now.
um because they might have a problem with alcohol? See your Big Book.
Graveyard Yoga Cartel
Nov 6, 2018, 12:26:27 PM11/6/18
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On Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 11:40:15 AM UTC-4, jimbo wrote:
> <Ex-AA_Forever#7428...@faceboink.com> wrote >
> > I agree about not questioning anyone who comes, but AA seems to almost
> > dictate that anyone who comes to closed meetings must be alcoholics.
>
> When I belonged to a group, that group put on meetings and people wjho
> attended the meeting who were not a member of the group were in fact our
> guests.
>
> We used to greet people as they came in and at our closed meeting we would
> talk to anyone we did not recognise and quiz them on their alcoholism.
>
> > Why are they allowed to stay?
>
> Cuz 99% of the AA's don't have the balls to ask them to leave and most of
> the,m don't in fact really care.
>
> That is one of the main reasons I have attended private AA meetings for
> close to 10 years now.
I am not a real alcoholic. A real one has shit and piss in their pants, vomit dried in their hair and sleeps on the streets even if he has a penthouse just by passing out alone. I used to drive across town put on dark shades and sit in the back. No one ever thought I was faking it. I fooled them. Been sober 35 years now.
> <Ex-AA_Forever#7428...@faceboink.com> wrote >
> > I agree about not questioning anyone who comes, but AA seems to almost
> > dictate that anyone who comes to closed meetings must be alcoholics.
>
> When I belonged to a group, that group put on meetings and people wjho
> attended the meeting who were not a member of the group were in fact our
> guests.
>
> We used to greet people as they came in and at our closed meeting we would
> talk to anyone we did not recognise and quiz them on their alcoholism.
>
> > Why are they allowed to stay?
>
> Cuz 99% of the AA's don't have the balls to ask them to leave and most of
> the,m don't in fact really care.
>
> That is one of the main reasons I have attended private AA meetings for
> close to 10 years now.
toptra...@gmail.com
Nov 26, 2018, 3:36:22 PM11/26/18
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I have a a huge gambling addiction and lost almost everything. I also use alcohol as a crutch when I am stressed. I can stop my drinking when I go to a bar but it definitely effects me different from most people. I have very low tolerance and I feel I have no business driving even after having one drink. I just attended a closed meeting because I was stressed and needed a 12 step and there was no GA meeting. Some people in the group know of my cormorbid condition. I was in fact pointed at today. I felt guilty and uncortable because I didn't know if I have any business there. I usually try to go to open meetings. Fortunately, I have never had a DUI but there have been several close calls. I will try to go to open meeting in the future if I really need a 12 step.
badgolferman
Nov 26, 2018, 3:57:53 PM11/26/18
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lives. It could be their own lives, a friend or loved one. It is not for
people with addictions to other things regardless of whether the meeting is
open or closed. The principle of identification is at hand here. You can
not identify with the thinking and behavior if someone addicted to alcohol
and they cannot relate to your addiction with gambling. Do yourself and
others a favor by finding meetings that focus on your problem.
Charlie M. 1958
Nov 26, 2018, 4:46:04 PM11/26/18
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and see what happens. If you /do/ want to stop drinking, you qualify to
go to any AA meeting, open or closed. I would still recommend GA
whenever possible, though, because that seems to be your main issue.
If you don't want to quit drinking but reach the point where you feel
like your only options are to gamble or go to an AA meeting, by all
means go to the AA meeting. Just pass if you're called on, and no one
will have any business complaining about your presence.
badgolferman
Nov 26, 2018, 5:25:10 PM11/26/18
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Inevitably they will claim the recovery in the other fellowships is lacking
so they prefer coming to AA instead. Then they will talk in AA meetings
because they can’t hold back forever and it becomes “normal” over a period
of time.
Why not give advice more suitable to a non-alcoholic gambler such as having
them call someone or ask God for help or play solitaire instead? Sending
non-alcoholics to AA is what treatment centers and courts do, it seems to
me an alcoholic would know better.
ByTor
Nov 26, 2018, 5:50:51 PM11/26/18
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In article <pthrs5$ffb$1...@dont-email.me>,
REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com says...
> because they can?t hold back forever and it becomes ?normal? over a period
see one and keeps seriously responding to them.
REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com says...
> of time.
>
> Why not give advice more suitable to a non-alcoholic gambler such as having
> them call someone or ask God for help or play solitaire instead? Sending
> non-alcoholics to AA is what treatment centers and courts do, it seems to
> me an alcoholic would know better.
My concern would be how one can not recognize a *troll* thread when they
>
> Why not give advice more suitable to a non-alcoholic gambler such as having
> them call someone or ask God for help or play solitaire instead? Sending
> non-alcoholics to AA is what treatment centers and courts do, it seems to
> me an alcoholic would know better.
see one and keeps seriously responding to them.
ByTor
Nov 26, 2018, 5:55:01 PM11/26/18
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In article <pthtca$m7v$1...@dont-email.me>, By...@snowdog.com says...
But to add. Ted is different, he's our troll.
Charlie M. 1958
Nov 26, 2018, 10:48:01 PM11/26/18
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On 11/26/2018 4:50 PM, ByTor wrote:
> My concern would be how one can not recognize a *troll* thread when they
> see one and keeps seriously responding to them.
>
I always consider the possibility that it might /not/ be a troll. If the
> My concern would be how one can not recognize a *troll* thread when they
> see one and keeps seriously responding to them.
>
post is not too outrageous to be believable, it's worth a few minutes of
my time. Besides, if nothing else it could stir some conversation among
the regular posters.
Now as for you, Mike, it's not like the guy said he has no problem at
all with alcohol. He clearly indicates that his drinking isn't normal.
You've surely been around long enough to see that many people come into
the program through the back door (Al-Anon, GA, etc.) because often the
last thing an alcoholic wants to do is admit he has a problem with
alcohol. That's why my first suggestion was that he try giving up
alcohol. Not only would that give him a valid reason to be in AA
meetings, but it might just let him find out some valuable information
about himself.
ByTor
Nov 27, 2018, 7:28:19 AM11/27/18
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In article <ptiepf$vbq$1...@dont-email.me>, alw...@impatient.com says...
> Now as for you, Mike, it's not like the guy said he has no problem at
> all with alcohol. He clearly indicates that his drinking isn't normal.
> You've surely been around long enough to see that many people come into
> the program through the back door (Al-Anon, GA, etc.) because often the
> last thing an alcoholic wants to do is admit he has a problem with
> alcohol. That's why my first suggestion was that he try giving up
> alcohol. Not only would that give him a valid reason to be in AA
> meetings, but it might just let him find out some valuable information
> about himself.
Our Friday night HG is a closed meeting. We go around the room, people
state their name and identify. If they identify as anything other than
alcoholic, specifically cross addicted or addict they are asked if they
have a desire to stop drinking. If they say yes we welcome them. If they
state they are not sure the group will motion to "open" the meeting and
members will share experiences on the 1st step. If they are there for
others reasons, visitors, or family members we inform them it's a closed
meeting and we speak to them outside the room and steer them in a
direction they may need.
>
> On 11/26/2018 4:50 PM, ByTor wrote:
>
> > My concern would be how one can not recognize a *troll* thread when they
> > see one and keeps seriously responding to them.
> >
>
> I always consider the possibility that it might /not/ be a troll. If the
> post is not too outrageous to be believable, it's worth a few minutes of
> my time. Besides, if nothing else it could stir some conversation among
> the regular posters.
I only applied it to Mike.
> On 11/26/2018 4:50 PM, ByTor wrote:
>
> > My concern would be how one can not recognize a *troll* thread when they
> > see one and keeps seriously responding to them.
> >
>
> I always consider the possibility that it might /not/ be a troll. If the
> post is not too outrageous to be believable, it's worth a few minutes of
> my time. Besides, if nothing else it could stir some conversation among
> the regular posters.
> Now as for you, Mike, it's not like the guy said he has no problem at
> all with alcohol. He clearly indicates that his drinking isn't normal.
> You've surely been around long enough to see that many people come into
> the program through the back door (Al-Anon, GA, etc.) because often the
> last thing an alcoholic wants to do is admit he has a problem with
> alcohol. That's why my first suggestion was that he try giving up
> alcohol. Not only would that give him a valid reason to be in AA
> meetings, but it might just let him find out some valuable information
> about himself.
state their name and identify. If they identify as anything other than
alcoholic, specifically cross addicted or addict they are asked if they
have a desire to stop drinking. If they say yes we welcome them. If they
state they are not sure the group will motion to "open" the meeting and
members will share experiences on the 1st step. If they are there for
others reasons, visitors, or family members we inform them it's a closed
meeting and we speak to them outside the room and steer them in a
direction they may need.
Ted H
Nov 27, 2018, 8:38:13 AM11/27/18
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:28:19 -0500,
ByTor <By...@snowdog.com> wrote:
> In article <ptiepf$vbq$1...@dont-email.me>, alw...@impatient.com says...
> > On 11/26/2018 4:50 PM, ByTor wrote:
> >
> > > My concern would be how one can not recognize a *troll*
> > > thread when they see one and keeps seriously responding to
> > > them.
> >
> > I always consider the possibility that it might /not/ be a
> > troll. If the post is not too outrageous to be believable,
> > it's worth a few minutes of my time. Besides, if nothing else
> > it could stir some conversation among the regular posters.
>
> I only applied it to Mike.
>
> > Now as for you, Mike, it's not like the guy said he has no
> > problem at all with alcohol. He clearly indicates that his
> > drinking isn't normal. You've surely been around long enough
> > to see that many people come into the program through the back
> > door (Al-Anon, GA, etc.) because often the last thing an
> > alcoholic wants to do is admit he has a problem with alcohol.
> > That's why my first suggestion was that he try giving up
> > alcohol. Not only would that give him a valid reason to be in
> > AA meetings, but it might just let him find out some valuable
> > information about himself.
Pretty much my take, Charlie--on both aspects.
ByTor <By...@snowdog.com> wrote:
> In article <ptiepf$vbq$1...@dont-email.me>, alw...@impatient.com says...
> > On 11/26/2018 4:50 PM, ByTor wrote:
> >
> > > My concern would be how one can not recognize a *troll*
> > > thread when they see one and keeps seriously responding to
> > > them.
> >
> > I always consider the possibility that it might /not/ be a
> > troll. If the post is not too outrageous to be believable,
> > it's worth a few minutes of my time. Besides, if nothing else
> > it could stir some conversation among the regular posters.
>
> I only applied it to Mike.
>
> > Now as for you, Mike, it's not like the guy said he has no
> > problem at all with alcohol. He clearly indicates that his
> > drinking isn't normal. You've surely been around long enough
> > to see that many people come into the program through the back
> > door (Al-Anon, GA, etc.) because often the last thing an
> > alcoholic wants to do is admit he has a problem with alcohol.
> > That's why my first suggestion was that he try giving up
> > alcohol. Not only would that give him a valid reason to be in
> > AA meetings, but it might just let him find out some valuable
> > information about himself.
I try to respond seriously if it looks possible the poster really
needs help.
On the qualification, I found myself thinking, "I wonder how
often, if ever, he has 'gambling problems' when sober."
> Our Friday night HG is a closed meeting. We go around the room,
> people state their name and identify. If they identify as
> anything other than alcoholic, specifically cross addicted or
> addict they are asked if they have a desire to stop drinking.
> If they say yes we welcome them. If they state they are not
> sure the group will motion to "open" the meeting and members
> will share experiences on the 1st step. If they are there for
> others reasons, visitors, or family members we inform them it's
> a closed meeting and we speak to them outside the room and
> steer them in a direction they may need.
--
Ted H.
Charlie M. 1958
Nov 27, 2018, 8:40:59 AM11/27/18
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On 11/27/2018 6:28 AM, ByTor wrote:
> Our Friday night HG is a closed meeting. We go around the room, people
> state their name and identify. If they identify as anything other than
> alcoholic, specifically cross addicted or addict they are asked if they
> have a desire to stop drinking. If they say yes we welcome them. If they
> state they are not sure the group will motion to "open" the meeting and
> members will share experiences on the 1st step. If they are there for
> others reasons, visitors, or family members we inform them it's a closed
> meeting and we speak to them outside the room and steer them in a
> direction they may need.
>
That's a fair approach.
> Our Friday night HG is a closed meeting. We go around the room, people
> state their name and identify. If they identify as anything other than
> alcoholic, specifically cross addicted or addict they are asked if they
> have a desire to stop drinking. If they say yes we welcome them. If they
> state they are not sure the group will motion to "open" the meeting and
> members will share experiences on the 1st step. If they are there for
> others reasons, visitors, or family members we inform them it's a closed
> meeting and we speak to them outside the room and steer them in a
> direction they may need.
>
I'm not, as Mike would suggest, in favor of people with other addictions
participating in closed AA meetings. But if someone (gambler, cocaine
addict, etc.) was feeling desperate, there was no meeting for his
addiction readily available, and felt like sitting quietly in a closed
AA meeting would keep him from using, I sure as hell am not going to
tell him he has to leave.
ByTor
Nov 27, 2018, 8:51:41 AM11/27/18
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In article <ptjhha$ebd$1...@dont-email.me>, alw...@impatient.com says...
We will at times get other addiction types. The closed meeting and
intros do sort of *protect* the group, not something done maliciously to
weed people out or "control" shit like others might like. If there are
other thans as I said we do take them outside the room and talk to them.
We very rarely ever say "just leave." That is kind of insensative and
uncaring. But, there are those, the thumps, that will say fuck them and
won't make a move to talk to them and just sit back and bitch about how
AA is going in the toilet.
intros do sort of *protect* the group, not something done maliciously to
weed people out or "control" shit like others might like. If there are
other thans as I said we do take them outside the room and talk to them.
We very rarely ever say "just leave." That is kind of insensative and
uncaring. But, there are those, the thumps, that will say fuck them and
won't make a move to talk to them and just sit back and bitch about how
AA is going in the toilet.
toptra...@gmail.com
Nov 27, 2018, 6:32:42 PM11/27/18
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Hi guys thanks for all the discussion. Honestly, I do feel like a sparrow among ducks in an AA meeting sometimes and respect the poster opinion that I should not attend. I do relate to the discussion when I substitute my obsession with alcohol. That being said, I have had drinking issues in the past resulting in near black outs. This was quite a few years ago tho. I felt really scared when I was pointed out in the last AA closed meeting I mentioned in my post and I don't think I will ever go again. However, it might be my paranoia caused by my addiction. My motives are sincere and I just want to be sober from everything and have a healthier life. In retrospect, I think I should have just identified myself just as an alcoholic from the start and not talk to people about my other addictions outside the meeting. One guy chewed me out at Hooters and told to go to counseler and not fuck up the meetings if I have issue. There also was an old timer at one of the meetings that chewed out a kid that identified himself as an addict that said he had no problems with alcohol and made him cry. He told him that if wants to be in an a meeting he should just identify himself as an alcoholic and not be an outsider. I think this is good advice specially for me. I should of just kept respectful from the start and identified myself this way. I feel I could have a drinking problem if I don't control myself. I think I might of been weirded out if an addict kept on talking about his heroin addiction who attended a GA meting outside of a meeting with me at Hooters. I see both sides.
Charlie M. 1958
Nov 27, 2018, 11:02:20 PM11/27/18
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On 11/27/2018 5:32 PM, toptra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi guys thanks for all the discussion. Honestly, I do feel like a sparrow among ducks in an AA meeting sometimes and respect the poster opinion that I should not attend. I do relate to the discussion when I substitute my obsession with alcohol. That being said, I have had drinking issues in the past resulting in near black outs. This was quite a few years ago tho. I felt really scared when I was pointed out in the last AA closed meeting I mentioned in my post and I don't think I will ever go again. However, it might be my paranoia caused by my addiction. My motives are sincere and I just want to be sober from everything and have a healthier life. In retrospect, I think I should have just identified myself just as an alcoholic from the start and not talk to people about my other addictions outside the meeting. One guy chewed me out at Hooters and told to go to counseler and not fuck up the meetings if I have issue. There also was an old timer at one of the meetings that chewed out a kid that identified himself as an addict that said he had no problems with alcohol and made him cry. He told him that if wants to be in an a meeting he should just identify himself as an alcoholic and not be an outsider. I think this is good advice specially for me. I should of just kept respectful from the start and identified myself this way. I feel I could have a drinking problem if I don't control myself. I think I might of been weirded out if an addict kept on talking about his heroin addiction who attended a GA meting outside of a meeting with me at Hooters. I see both sides.
>
I don't recommend being dishonest about it because you'll only feel
> Hi guys thanks for all the discussion. Honestly, I do feel like a sparrow among ducks in an AA meeting sometimes and respect the poster opinion that I should not attend. I do relate to the discussion when I substitute my obsession with alcohol. That being said, I have had drinking issues in the past resulting in near black outs. This was quite a few years ago tho. I felt really scared when I was pointed out in the last AA closed meeting I mentioned in my post and I don't think I will ever go again. However, it might be my paranoia caused by my addiction. My motives are sincere and I just want to be sober from everything and have a healthier life. In retrospect, I think I should have just identified myself just as an alcoholic from the start and not talk to people about my other addictions outside the meeting. One guy chewed me out at Hooters and told to go to counseler and not fuck up the meetings if I have issue. There also was an old timer at one of the meetings that chewed out a kid that identified himself as an addict that said he had no problems with alcohol and made him cry. He told him that if wants to be in an a meeting he should just identify himself as an alcoholic and not be an outsider. I think this is good advice specially for me. I should of just kept respectful from the start and identified myself this way. I feel I could have a drinking problem if I don't control myself. I think I might of been weirded out if an addict kept on talking about his heroin addiction who attended a GA meting outside of a meeting with me at Hooters. I see both sides.
>
guilty in the long run, and that will make everything worse. But if you
really want to quit both gambling /and/ alcohol, go to both AA and GA
meetings. Whether you're a "real" alcoholic or not, I can't say. But I
*can* say with some degree of certainty that nobody ever made their life
worse by quitting drinking.
JoeRaisin
Nov 28, 2018, 7:58:00 AM11/28/18
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On 11/27/2018 6:32 PM, toptra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi guys thanks for all the discussion. Honestly, I do feel like a sparrow among ducks in an AA meeting sometimes and respect the poster opinion that I should not attend. I do relate to the discussion when I substitute my obsession with alcohol. That being said, I have had drinking issues in the past resulting in near black outs. This was quite a few years ago tho. I felt really scared when I was pointed out in the last AA closed meeting I mentioned in my post and I don't think I will ever go again. However, it might be my paranoia caused by my addiction. My motives are sincere and I just want to be sober from everything and have a healthier life. In retrospect, I think I should have just identified myself just as an alcoholic from the start and not talk to people about my other addictions outside the meeting. One guy chewed me out at Hooters and told to go to counseler and not fuck up the meetings if I have issue. There also was an old timer at one of the meetings that chewed out a kid that identified himself as an addict that said he had no problems with alcohol and made him cry. He told him that if wants to be in an a meeting he should just identify himself as an alcoholic and not be an outsider. I think this is good advice specially for me. I should of just kept respectful from the start and identified myself this way. I feel I could have a drinking problem if I don't control myself. I think I might of been weirded out if an addict kept on talking about his heroin addiction who attended a GA meting outside of a meeting with me at Hooters. I see both sides.
>
If you are not comfortable saying you are an alcoholic, try saying that
> Hi guys thanks for all the discussion. Honestly, I do feel like a sparrow among ducks in an AA meeting sometimes and respect the poster opinion that I should not attend. I do relate to the discussion when I substitute my obsession with alcohol. That being said, I have had drinking issues in the past resulting in near black outs. This was quite a few years ago tho. I felt really scared when I was pointed out in the last AA closed meeting I mentioned in my post and I don't think I will ever go again. However, it might be my paranoia caused by my addiction. My motives are sincere and I just want to be sober from everything and have a healthier life. In retrospect, I think I should have just identified myself just as an alcoholic from the start and not talk to people about my other addictions outside the meeting. One guy chewed me out at Hooters and told to go to counseler and not fuck up the meetings if I have issue. There also was an old timer at one of the meetings that chewed out a kid that identified himself as an addict that said he had no problems with alcohol and made him cry. He told him that if wants to be in an a meeting he should just identify himself as an alcoholic and not be an outsider. I think this is good advice specially for me. I should of just kept respectful from the start and identified myself this way. I feel I could have a drinking problem if I don't control myself. I think I might of been weirded out if an addict kept on talking about his heroin addiction who attended a GA meting outside of a meeting with me at Hooters. I see both sides.
>
you have a desire to stop drinking.
--
*The above is based on recollections and perceptions of stuff I heard
here and there on various radio, TV and internet sites while distracted
by other shit. So if you're gonna throw a bullshit flag, please provide
a web based source so that I might educate myself.
Narcissistic control freaks always consider their perceptions and
opinions to be obvious and true.
- Frank "Socrates"
Memeyesef Andi
Nov 29, 2018, 11:09:22 PM11/29/18
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cactus...@gmail.com
Feb 11, 2019, 10:35:22 PM2/11/19
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I am one of those people who has attended AA and NA meetings for many years even though I'm not an alcoholic or drug addict. I rarely drink. I'd be lucky to have an alcoholic drink once every three of four years. I've never taken drugs.
Why do I pretend to be an alcoholic and drug addict? I am actually a sex and love addict. I attended SLAA meetings for a little while but found the fellowship to be really, really unhealthy. It made me worse.
A friend from SLAA invited me to go with her to an AA meeting. I loved it. Another friend invited me to go with him to NA. I loved it even more.
I needed the twelve step program, the meetings and, especially, the fellowship.
Without AA and NA I would be a very lonely and isolated person.
A number of suspicious (and astute) people have said to me, "You don't seem like an alcoholic/addict."
I feel guilty for lying but as my two friends have said to me, "You are not hurting anyone."
And, I'm not. I'm actually helping them.
I've thrown myself into recovery and into helping others. Good for me; good for them.
So try not to judge people for being imposters. Maybe they've got nowhere else to go.
badgolferman
Feb 12, 2019, 6:05:29 AM2/12/19
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years prior to that. He always seemed like an outsider and seldom
talked about his experience with alcohol during meetings. He would
come to my house as we would read through the Big Book together and he
readily admitted he didn't relate to the examples of alcoholic behavior
or thinking presented in the readings. But he always wanted to talk
about his relationships and women he was trying to date!
I finally asked him straight up if he thought he was powerless over
alcohol. He told me no, and that he thought he was really powerless
over relationships. He thanked me for helping him see that he wasn't
really alcohol and we ended up parting ways. I have since seen him in
the community performing his job and he says things are going well for
him. He can't believe he wasted all those years sitting in AA
meetings, but that was the only place where people would listen to him
talk about his relationships and he liked the camaraderie.
AA is full of people who are not really alcoholic. We've been over
this topic recently so I will refrain from ranting again, but good luck
on your journey!
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