OOoo Earl, that'd make some high speed cruiser!! I'm getting visions of a
Vanguard wig How'd ya supose that'd hold together when she exceeds sonic.
Manic
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manicm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> OOoo Earl, that'd make some high speed cruiser!! I'm getting visions of a
> Vanguard wig How'd ya supose that'd hold together when she exceeds sonic.
>
> Manic
>
LOL I know you have a set of vanguard plans, but somehow I think a Lyc 540 might
be a tad too much power. Just a very wee tad mind you. :-)
Earl.
Claude
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earl fornes <ear...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ahead of it's time and it TUCKERED out !!!
>I wonder how many will Really get that ?
>
>Here's a small hint:
>
> " From the mind of Manic the old auto mechanic "
> > LOL I know you have a set of vanguard plans, but somehow I think a Lyc
> 540 might
> > be a tad too much power. Just a very wee tad mind you. :-)
> > Earl.
Mayby I could start by turning my Zodioac into an air boat like that flying
Ultralight / Zodiac from P. M.
Manic
I don't know, it might just be a fast Hover Tucker
I wonder how many will Really get that ?
Here's a small hint:
" From the mind of Manic the old auto mechanic "
manicm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <7r9rp4$1q...@enews4.newsguy.com>,
> "Snowbound" <snow_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >I don't know, it might just be a fast Hover Tucker
> > >
> >
> > Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ahead of it's time and it TUCKERED out !!!
> >
> > >I wonder how many will Really get that ?
> > >
> > >Here's a small hint:
> > >
> > > " From the mind of Manic the old auto mechanic "
> > >
>
> The Tucker was a car built in the U. S. that used a flat air cooled six
> cylinder helicopter engine in the rear like a VW only it was as big as a
> Buick and really fast for it's day. It was put out of business by the big
> manufacturers. There is a movie about it if you can find it is worth the
> watching, it's not a documentry it's a good story. I beleive it was probibly
> even a lycoming. The movie was called "Tucker, a man and his car"
>
> Manic
>
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Dohhh ! believe it or not I was debating that in my head... car, dream, car,
dream, but car came out. It's a scarey place in my head anyway and I don't
like to spend too mutch time in there. Anyway thanks for the correction
Kelley, specially for the sake of those mechanically interested types who may
want to see the movie. What do you bet Barry has a copy in his library. It
was a good one eh?
manicm...@my-deja.com wrote:
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SEVTEC wrote:
Remember, car collectors collect such things as Nash Metropolitans, Chevy
> Vegas, and probably, though I have yet to see any evidence, Yugos. Novelty,
> not engineering excellence, frequently is the driving force, I believe.
I once saw a Yugo with an emblem on each side that read, "Grand Touring Yugo", and
my immediate thought was.....Now theres an oxymoron for you. :-)
Earl
ear...@earthlink.net
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice..........
No I do not have a copy of the movie, and I actually saw a Tucker in the flesh
when it came out. (The movie used 5 or 6 working collector's Tuckers, as near
as I can remember counting, but they were presented in the movie to seem like
there were many more.)
Remember, car collectors collect such things as Nash Metropolitans, Chevy
Vegas, and probably, though I have yet to see any evidence, Yugos. Novelty,
not engineering excellence, frequently is the driving force, I believe.
There was no great novelty in the design as it was built much like any other
car, except it was a somewhat rough prototype. It had a central headlight that
turned with the steering wheel, strictly gimmick class, no real utility.
The novelty of the design, if you can call it that, was an air cooled engine
right behind the rear seat and mounted across the vehicle. This is hardly a
leap of imagination into the future, but just another place to put the engine.
An aircraft engine should make a terrible surface skimmer engine, on the basis
of costs, smoothness of operation, the difficulty of mating it to drives that
it cannot break, and the difficulty of dealing with air cooling in salt water.
For the aircraft engine power demand size, an automotive engine seems best.
(Long range designs may be diesel, but the downside to this is initial cost.)
Barry Palmer, for <A
HREF="http://members.aol.com/sevtec/sev/skmr.html">Sevtec</A>
how many edsels have you seen rusting in a barn? every last owner thinks
they're beautiful, and i can't even imagine an uglier car.
> An aircraft engine should make a terrible surface skimmer engine, on the basis
> of costs, smoothness of operation, the difficulty of mating it to drives that
> it cannot break, and the difficulty of dealing with air cooling in salt water.
> For the aircraft engine power demand size, an automotive engine seems best.
> (Long range designs may be diesel, but the downside to this is initial cost.)
i'm sure you don't get much hovering done that's not in salt water, but here in
minnesota the only salt water we get is the stuff we boil macaroni in.
i tend to like the auto engine thing anyway, for economical reasons as well as
maintenance reasons.
when you talk about the diesel, the weight doesn't come in? i know they're
heavier than the same sized gas engine but i can't seem to find out how much
heavier. where can i find a list of engines and weights? i've even emailed a
company, and they said i should talk to a dealer. dealer didn't know.
anyway, the diesel thing. i've got a vw jetta. makes 119 hp at peak, which
means probably about 90 at the highest rpm that i'll ever take it to. the vw
diesel only makes 90 hp total, but it's at 2000 rpm. it also makes 149 ft-lbs
of torque, which is about 30-40 ft-lbs more than the gas engine can muster.
it's a heck of a lot better torque than my 2si, even if a) it ran and b) it
performed as well as the web site brags it up.
So called light weight marine diesels can get down to 5 lb per horsepower, or
so, with auto engines 3.5lb per horsepower or so, in larger sizes.
However the diesels are usually marine, and have to be adapted to automotive
(surface skimmer) configuration for use.
I am expecting 45hp at 4500rpm out of the Geo I am now working with, 157#, for
3.5 lb per horsepower, (a bit of a high expectation, as it is my personal craft
that the engine is to be used on) and I got 80hp at 4000 from the Subaru which
came in at 250#, 3.1 lb per horsepower. (All of above not including radiator,
and coolant, which is only 15 lb or so for the Subraru.
The Briggs Vanguard engines, 18 hp, 88#, got me 16hp at 2950rpm, for 5.5 lb per
horsepower.
An aircraft engine replacement on the 80hp Prospector would save me perhaps
100lb minus, on a 1900# gross weight craft, and unlike the aircraft
application, I would have to add a flywheel and power transmission. (if I could
live with it. The propeller is the flywheel in normal aircraft
installations.), so you can see weight savings here is no big deal.
Note I am dealing with realistic engine rpm's, not those used by advertizers.
Engine torque at lower power ranges doesn't matter much, so long as the rotors
can be hauled up to speed, and indeed, the more torquey the engine is, it is
likely that engine top end performance is reduced from maximum potential to
gain that torque.
About 20 years ago I had a Citroen Ami 6. 720cc, 2 cylinder, air cooled,
removable seats, and very light (especially on the aft end), no shocks
(weighted canisters on each wheel), _very_ soft suspension (adjustable from
inside), and a top speed of 73mph...downwind.
When I would drive to college we sometimes had a tight partking spot. We
would put the front of the car where we wanted it, jump out and lift the aft
end over. Many funny looks, I'll tell you. :)
Claude
<manicm...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <37DA5A52...@earthlink.net>,
> earl fornes <ear...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > SEVTEC wrote:
> > Remember, car collectors collect such things as Nash Metropolitans,
Chevy
> >
> > > Vegas, and probably, though I have yet to see any evidence, Yugos.
Novelty,
> > > not engineering excellence, frequently is the driving force, I
believe.
> >
> > I once saw a Yugo with an emblem on each side that read, "Grand Touring
Yugo", and
> > my immediate thought was.....Now theres an oxymoron for you. :-)
> > Earl
> >
> > ear...@earthlink.net
> > In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice..........
> >
>
> I used to have a Lada Niva 4X4 truck with a little 5 ft box. I loved it.
Oh
> it was a retched piece of work really, I called it my ATC (with a heater),
> But if it wasn't for my *!@#!* poverty I would still have it. Just to
start
> it with the hand crank in a mall parking lot to watch my wife sink below
the
> dash to avoid recognition if nothing else. It had to go when some one gave
us
> a little girl so we needed a 3 pasenger vehicle. If you're thinking "no
loss
> on that piece of s___" You should see what I replaced it with! But Hay
don't
> get me started on that!