Another Easily-Obtained RIFLE Takes It Upon Itself To Attempt Murder At Virgina College! Gun Owner Appears Very ... Composed! NRA? No Comment!
Rachel Uchitel
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"Student tries to shoot math teacher at Va. college"
"20-year-old walked into class with rifle, firing at least twice; no
one hit"
By Tom Jackman, Jennifer Buske and Clarence Williams
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, December 9, 2009
A disgruntled 20-year-old student walked into a classroom at the
Northern Virginia Community College campus in Woodbridge on Tuesday
afternoon and fired at least two shots from a high-powered rifle at
his math teacher, authorities said.
The teacher saw the gun, yelled for her 25 students to duck and then
hit the floor.
"We heard a boom," one of the students said later. "I thought to
myself, did a computer explode?"
The student's shots missed. He put the gun down, sat on a chair in a
fourth-floor hallway and calmly waited for police.
Jason M. Hamilton of Baneberry Circle in the Manassas area was charged
with attempted murder and discharging a firearm in school zone. He was
being held without bail, and police officers said they wanted to
question him about a motive. Officers were at his home late Tuesday,
talking to his family, and did not allow reporters to approach.
The incident began about 2:40 p.m. in the college's main
administration building off Neabsco Mills Road. Campus police officer
Anthony Mellis said he had stopped a car on a traffic violation when
he heard what he thought was a gunshot inside the building. He said he
saw students running from the building as he headed toward it and then
heard a second shot. He radioed for Prince William County police, who
arrived in seconds.
Mellis and Prince William SWAT officers entered the building moments
later, he said, and saw a man sitting in the hallway. Police asked the
man to get up and walk toward them. He complied without resisting.
They asked him whether he was the gunman, Mellis said, and the man
said he was. He was asked to lead police to the rifle, which he did.
There were no injuries. Police did not release the name of the math
teacher.
Alyssa Brown, an 18-year-old freshman who was in the class, described
how the sound of the first shot set off a series of swift and dramatic
events. The student turned to see an armed man standing just inside
the classroom door.
"He was holding a big gun," she said. As he stood no more than five or
six feet from her, she said, the man silently cocked the gun.
"I thought it was a joke," Brown said. "He didn't talk or say
anything."
When the man cocked the gun a second time, she said, the teacher
ducked behind her desk and shouted for the students to get out of the
classroom. To run.
She said the man with the gun appeared to ignore the students in the
room.
"He was all focused on" the teacher, Brown said. "You could tell his
intent was to go after the teacher."
The student followed her classmates.
"My body just took over," she said, "and I just ran" down four flights
of stairs.
Police and campus officials employed procedures that have been widely
disseminated since the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech in which Seung
Hui Cho killed 32 people and himself.
Northern Virginia Community College campus officials notified the
school's 8,500 students and staff members via text messages, the
Internet and phone calls and locked down the campus, meaning that no
one was allowed to leave buildings, said Sam Hill, the school's
provost.
Police treated the incident as an "active shooter" scene and entered
immediately, said Sgt. Kim Chinn, a Prince William police spokeswoman.
"I can't say enough good things about the way this was handled," Hill
said.
Prince William Police Chief Charlie T. Deane said, "It had the
potential for something much worse."
"At the end of the day, when I go home, if everyone is safe, I know I
did a good job, and that's what happened today," Mellis said.
Some students were in their classrooms more than two hours after the
shooting, as police went from room to room to make sure there was not
a second gunman.
A student in the building where the shooting took place, Michelle
Wittkoff, 43, said she was in a third-floor classroom and heard no
shots. A student from another class walked in and told her class that
there had been a shooting. Wittkoff said she looked outside and saw
police with guns drawn.
The students began to file out, but a school official told them to
stay in the room.
While the students were briefly in the hallway, Wittkoff said, she saw
a young man in handcuffs being led downstairs by police. He wore a
dark blue hooded sweat shirt and bluejeans. "He didn't look too
happy," she said, but he was not speaking.
An hour after the shooting, an announcement came over the intercom
that students should remain in their classrooms.
Another student, Kasey Collins, 21, said she was on the building's
bottom floor when the shooting happened but heard no gunfire.
"Somebody ran into our room and said, 'Somebody has been shot. Get out
of the building,' " Collins said. "At first, I thought they were
lying, but when I went outside and saw police, I knew it was for
real." Some walked and others ran from the building, she said.
. "You think it's just going to be another day at NOVA, then you hear
there's been a shooting," Collins said. "It really makes you stop and
think."
Mike Auszar, 22, was also in the building. "The moment I heard shots
were fired, I ran out," he said and fled to nearby Freedom High School
with some classmates. At 5 p.m., they were still waiting to go back
for their belongings.
Auszar said that he thought campus police handled the situation well
but that it was chaotic outside the building while people called
friends and family. Police sources said the rifle had been bought at a
local gun store in the past few days. The federal Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was helping to trace it.
The Hamilton home is in the White Oak Estates subdivision, a quiet
residential neighborhood. The family lives in a three-story brick
house that had a light dusting of snow on the roof and Christmas
lights in the front yard. A man who answered the phone declined to
comment.
Public records indicate that the Hamiltons are or have been a military
family, but that could not be verified Tuesday night.
Jason Hamilton graduated this year from Hylton High School in
Woodbridge, where he ran cross country. A Hylton faculty member said
he seemed like "a good kid." Neighbors said he has two younger
siblings.
Neighbors expressed surprise at the arrest. "They're a really nice
family," one neighbor said. "I never would have expected this."
[Staff writers Mary Pat Flaherty, Jonathan Mummolo and Martin Weil
contributed to this report.]
Wayne
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> ------------------
> "Student tries to shoot math teacher at Va. college"
>
> "20-year-old walked into class with rifle, firing at least twice; no
> one hit"
>
> By Tom Jackman, Jennifer Buske and Clarence Williams
> Washington Post Staff Writers
> Wednesday, December 9, 2009
>
> A disgruntled 20-year-old student walked into a classroom at the
> Northern Virginia Community College campus in Woodbridge on Tuesday
> afternoon and fired at least two shots from a high-powered rifle at
> his math teacher, authorities said.
>
didn't have a rifle, he may have used something that was much more lethal.
Bert Hyman
Rachel Uchitel <lilh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> They asked him whether he was the gunman, Mellis said, and the man
> said he was. He was asked to lead police to the rifle, which he did.
>
Oops. I'll bet they didn't read him his rights first.
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Buerste
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> "Student tries to shoot math teacher at Va. college"
>
> "20-year-old walked into class with rifle, firing at least twice; no
> one hit"
Seems like a bunch of those people should have CCW permits...problem solved!
Native
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on school property... smart eh?
Stormin Mormon
"lets roll" like Todd Beamer, and wrestles him to the ground
and takes the rifle away?
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to chamber a round, and no one jumped the student, and took
the gun away? They all fled, instead.
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Stormin Mormon
him. The kid did have enough time to chamber a shell.
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Seems like a bunch of those people should have CCW
permits...problem solved!
Stormin Mormon
easier for the crooks.
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Suppurating Tool
a football stadium and kill hundreds. Maybe more!
NRA denies such a possibility ...
SaPeIsMa
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> One o' these days, a half-dozen punks with machine guns will appear in
> a football stadium and kill hundreds. Maybe more!
>
> NRA denies such a possibility ...
And naturally, you can cite where the NRA did any such thing
Right ?
Crawl back into your hole you stupid troll
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proof that honest people should carry a gun
Tom Biasi
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> With a building full of students and staff. The guy had time
> to chamber a round, and no one jumped the student, and took
> the gun away? They all fled, instead.
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It doesn't take that long to chamber a round. I doubt many untrained people
would rush a guy with a gun while chambering a round.
Tom
Non scrivetemi
Actually, you technically are allowed to carry on school property.
The laws are almost invariably written to the effect that "weapons"
may not be carried on school property except for... and then there's
some exemptions like school sponsored shooting events, academic
presentations, and "other lawful purposes". The lawful purpose
clause is included in almost all "school zone" type laws.
Self defense is a lawful purpose. There's even a piece of paper
that defines carrying a firearm for self defense as legal. The very
clause that lawmakers included as an out for shooting teams and
historians protects all legally armed citizens in my humble opinion.
OK, so it's never been tested in court as far as I know, but several
members of a really high powered law firm tell me it's a legally
sound argument. You only need to convince 12 of your peers. ;-)
RM v2.0
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> to chamber a round, and no one jumped the student, and took
> the gun away? They all fled, instead.
>
> --
nation of pussys.
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Tom Biasi
taking up the fight. (Its a toss up with college students.)
Now if I could carry things would be different. I'm trained in firearms, and
I can chamber a round in a bolt action faster than some can cycle the bolt.
I would think well before moving against an armed gunman.
Tom
Hiccum Blurpaedius
guy
didn't have a rifle, he may have used something that was much more
lethal.
like a crucifix
Hiccum Blurpaedius
to chamber a round, and no one jumped the student, and took
the gun away? They all fled, instead.
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spineless cowards.
god is a piece of shit god dammit
Hiccum Blurpaedius
Now thats entertainment.
Maybe we should confiscate all weapons from blackies
Hiccum Blurpaedius
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> > One o' these days, a half-dozen punks with machine guns will appear in
> > a football stadium and kill hundreds. Maybe more!
>
> > NRA denies such a possibility ...
>
> And naturally, you can cite where the NRA did any such thing
> Right ?
>
> Crawl back into your hole you stupid troll
>
I like to see him eat.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
We need some kind of test of faith to prove a real christian before
they are allowe any rights.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Are you saying that they have not watched enough gangster movies?
Hiccum Blurpaedius
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> Thats actually what they teach them to do, run or hide. We
> are raising a
> nation of pussys.
Duh polce offcers are sposed to do dat
Hiccum Blurpaedius
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> >I do believe that.
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> > Thats actually what they teach them to do, run or hide. We
> > are raising a
> > nation of pussys.
>
> Yes, that's what we teach them. I am a school teacher. Minors shouldn't be
> taking up the fight. (Its a toss up with college students.)
> Now if I could carry things would be different. I'm trained in firearms, and
> I can chamber a round in a bolt action faster than some can cycle the bolt.
> I would think well before moving against an armed gunman.
> Tom
I think you'd be wetting your diapers like a little bitch.
Exterminate god god dammit
D. Staples
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> >> I do believe that.
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> >>news:_DxVm.358646$BL3.3...@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
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> >> Thats actually what they teach them to do, run or hide. We
> >> are raising a
> >> nation of pussys.
>
> > Yes, that's what we teach them. I am a school teacher. Minors shouldn't be
> > taking up the fight. (Its a toss up with college students.)
> > Now if I could carry things would be different. I'm trained in firearms, and
> > I can chamber a round in a bolt action faster than some can cycle the bolt.
> > I would think well before moving against an armed gunman.
> > Tom
>
> So much for hero's.
I find that people named tom are losers.
Tom Biasi
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home safe.
I really wish the teachers could mount an armed defense but not likely to
happen in New Jersey.
I really do not want to call upon 13-17 year olds to defend the school. My
job is to keep them alive, and I will do so to the best of my ability.
It's easy for you to talk behind your keyboard isn't it.
Tom
Jim
their own first line of defense is bordering on negligence.
Call it self-reliance, personal responsibility, whatever you'd like. There
isn't enough of it.
Without it, they are there to be slaughtered should the time come.
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> Defend their school, no. But to not instill the understanding that THEY
> are their own first line of defense is bordering on negligence.
>
> Call it self-reliance, personal responsibility, whatever you'd like. There
> isn't enough of it.
>
> Without it, they are there to be slaughtered should the time come.
>
make the wisest decisions however.
If it comes to die or fight, I teach those values every day. My job is to
keep them alive, I would endanger myself to do so.
To do anything else is negligence.
Tom
RM v2.0
>>
>>
> Yes, that's what we teach them. I am a school teacher. Minors shouldn't be
> taking up the fight. (Its a toss up with college students.)
> Now if I could carry things would be different. I'm trained in firearms,
> and I can chamber a round in a bolt action faster than some can cycle the
> bolt.
> I would think well before moving against an armed gunman.
> Tom
>
Ok, these high school kids are quite capable of defending themselves and
others. In the distant past they were married and raising families in their
late teens, have they "devolved" since then? 15yr olds are not children and
need to be taught to be self reliant and not to cower and hide. younger than
high school definitely need to hide or get away but grown kids? Rather die
fighting than die under a desk wee'ing myself.
Tom Biasi
Your point is taken however.
Tom
RM v2.0
>> Ok, these high school kids are quite capable of defending themselves and
>> others. In the distant past they were married and raising families in
>> their late teens, have they "devolved" since then? 15yr olds are not
>> children and need to be taught to be self reliant and not to cower and
>> hide. younger than high school definitely need to hide or get away but
>> grown kids? Rather die fighting than die under a desk wee'ing myself.
>>
> Well they ARE children by law. I follow the law or lose my job.
> Your point is taken however.
>
> Tom
>
says he cant hurt them. Hiding behind the law is a weak excuse, but
understandable. There are ways of getting a lesson or message taught and
stay in the law. Or here is a novel concept, parents might take
responsibility and teach their children to survive in a modern world. Just
because somethings a law doesnt mean it is right or moral. Otherwise laws
would never get changed.
Tom Biasi
I'm not their father. I have a job to do.
If you want your 14 year old girl going out looking for a gunman on campus
instead of obeying the mandated lockdown, teach her that.
But its my job not to let her do that.
Tom
Stormin Mormon
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> Since you use absurdity, I will also. You obviously want all
> school children to be shot by gunmen.
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This started with of the criticism of the students taking cover instead of
confronting and armed person.
I just pointed out what the rules are in a school.
No more than that.
Many different philosophies followed as what they should have done.
None addressed what I must do.
I didn't reduce this to absurdity, it was pointed out to me that 14 and 15
year olds are not kids.
Well they are.
I will give this a rest.
Regards,
Tom
Stormin Mormon
going and looking for one. I guess you can't see your own
absurdity. And you teach kids, yes? I'm sad for the kids.
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> Confonting a nearby gunman is a world of difference versus
> going and looking for one. I guess you can't see your own
> absurdity. And you teach kids, yes? I'm sad for the kids.
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SaPeIsMa
I went back and read the thread, and suggest that YOU do what you suggest
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suggest, that he suggests something that I suggest might be
what he, as you suggested, should do, by way of suggestion.
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extreme absurdity.
Chris: Students in a room with a shooter should, when
possible, attack the shooter.
Tom: There you go!
I'm not their father. I have a job to do.
If you want your 14 year old girl going out looking for a
gunman on campus
instead of obeying the mandated lockdown, teach her that.
But its my job not to let her do that.
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> Tom changed my thought. From a rational thought to an
> extreme absurdity.
>
> Chris: Students in a room with a shooter should, when
> possible, attack the shooter.
> Tom: There you go!
> I'm not their father. I have a job to do.
> If you want your 14 year old girl going out looking for a
> gunman on campus
> instead of obeying the mandated lockdown, teach her that.
> But its my job not to let her do that.
>
>
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You may realize that New Jersey is a liberal state.
You may also realize that the school system is even more liberal.
I am not a liberal.
There are rules that I must follow.
One has to pick his battles.
I believe this horse is dead.
Tom
Dad
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discussion.
Dad
>
>>>>>> instead of obeying the mandated lockdown, teach her that.
>>>>>> But its my job not to let her do that.
>>>>>>
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>>>>> I plead guilty of an exageration.
>>>> And then denying it, what are you teaching the kids?
>>> I didn't deny anything.
>>> You may realize that New Jersey is a liberal state.
>>> You may also realize that the school system is even more liberal.
>>> I am not a liberal.
>>> There are rules that I must follow.
>>> One has to pick his battles.
>>>
>>> I believe this horse is dead.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>> Are you sure or is that what you're saying now to get off the hook?
> I didn't feel like I was on a hook. I thought we were having having
> a discussion.
>
>
Tom Biasi
I take a beating.
I go through my normal day taking a beating.
I think for now I'll have a beer and wait for the snow.
Dad
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>> I think for now I'll have a beer and wait for the snow.
>>
>>
> Do you teach the kids that alcohol is the answer?
Beer's a choice that adults can make. Some people just don't get it.
SaPeIsMa
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"Dad" <knoc...@fisher.net> wrote in message
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"Tom Biasi" <tomb...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> I plead guilty of an exageration.
RM v2.0
> I'm not their father. I have a job to do.
> If you want your 14 year old girl going out looking for a gunman on campus
> instead of obeying the mandated lockdown, teach her that.
> But its my job not to let her do that.
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> Tom
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if he is in the room and you have no escape then attack is better than
cower.
Tom Biasi
other extreme of one posters comments about just waiting to die.
Recall I said "I understand your premise and even agree with it. Young minds
don't always
make the wisest decisions however.
If it comes to die or fight, I teach those values every day. My job is to
keep them alive, I would endanger myself to do so.
To do anything else is negligence."
Tom