Confiscated Gun Never Returned
ihaveenoug...@nospam.com
fired) was confiscated. The charges were never accepted by the State ("no
info"). So the charges were dropped. When I went to the police station
evidence division to get my gun back they told me there was no record of one
being turned in by any officer. On the police report it states that a gun
was taken but it didn't state what was done with it. It's still bugging me 5
years later that a gun registered to me is still floating around out there.
What should I do?
Warmest regards
Mike
David Courtney
water someday when he takes it somewhere for repairs or tries to sell it?
If nothing else, you get it on the national stolen firearms list...
you'll still probably never see it again, but at least there's some record
that you don't "own" it anymore.
<ihaveenoug...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Old AR Guy
Affairs. I did report it missing to local PD, State Police, ATF, FBI, etc.
Took the cop a couple of weeks to buy it back. Official story was that it
was sitting in a DA's desk without him knowing anything about it. Yeah,
sure. Captain of IAD gave me the real scoop as he didn't much care for the
LEO in question.
<ihaveenoug...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Into the living sea of waking dreams
go see a lawyer.
It is possible that you can get satisfication if not the gun.
This is theft.
j.
Peter Franks
> When that happened to me 25 some years ago, I made a beeline to Internal
> Affairs. I did report it missing to local PD, State Police, ATF, FBI, etc.
> Took the cop a couple of weeks to buy it back. Official story was that it
> was sitting in a DA's desk without him knowing anything about it. Yeah,
> sure. Captain of IAD gave me the real scoop as he didn't much care for the
> LEO in question.
Makes me wonder how much crap these clowns end up pocketing...
When crime doesn't pay, join the police dept.???
Randolph Johnson
<ihaveenoug...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Brian
I'd go with others here: you ought to call up internal affairs. The
idea of calling the ATF is a hot one, too. In addition, how's your
Senator or Congressman on the 2nd Amendment? Every office has
constituent relations people just to go out and hassle unkind
bureaucrats on your behalf. You might want to try that.
Best of luck...
Brian
ihaveenoug...@nospam.com
My receipt and firearm registration is buried somewhere in storage. Is there
a way to look up my State registration? This was 5 years ago mind you. I
went to the police station about 2 years ago. The clerk gave me the phone
number of the officer but I didn't have the guts to call him. The cops down
here are corrupt. After what I had been through it was very hard to walk
into that station. I'm not took keen on stirring up things. My lawyer said I
should to do something about it but I already lost $850 on the gun and now
to hire a lawyer and lose more money. At least that what has kept me from
pursuing this all these years. But I guess I've got to bite the bullet and
take back what's mine because I can't get it off my mind.
Randy Sweeney
<ihaveenoug...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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The store that sold it to you has the records.
Long Ranger
I had a similar experience where I had to agree to forfeiting my new Ruger
Bearcat in order for the D.A. to drop charges. About ten years later, I was
working with a guy who was a close buddy of the arresting officer. He asked
if I had ever seen a Ruger Bearcat, and whipped one out of his range bag.
Said he had borrowed it from the cop. It still galls me, but I let it be. I
had assumed the gun would be destroyed or whatever. If I were you, I would
pursue that gun, but be careful how you do it, since they've already shown
you they can pretty much do what they want. I would think along the lines of
getting a buddy next to him at the range and asking to "see what he's
shooting". Perhaps a P.I.? I wonder if you could pursue it in small claims
court? Seems to me if you weren't charged with a crime, and had legal
ownership, then they owe you replacement value. That wouldn't be as sweet as
hammering whoever took it though. 5 years is a long time to get back on that
path, but I hope you prevail, and we see a post of your victory here some
day. It would be really cool if you could somehow get it back secretly, then
flaunt the gun since it was registered as yours in the first place. Could
you imagine a scenario where you saw the guy with it and asked if you could
hold it, then legally tell him to eat shit while you walked off with it? (I
know, but it's a nice fantasy!!) Wouldn't it be great if you got it back and
it had been customized thoroughly? Go get that gun!!
as...@global.net
Many if not most of the firearms that were recovered from thefts in
several surrounding counties ended up in the personal collection of a
Tennessee Bureau of Investigation officer that is now retired and maybe
deceased.
Several firearms that were stolen from me were never reported to NCIC by
the sheriff at the time because he and the Feds and State were at odds.
My firearms were seen by two individuals in his possession. Numerous
attempts to even find out about them and recover them were routinely
turned aside as they had no record of them.
Eb
They were talking to a government official about guns being
registered. The guy said that althought guns are required to be
registered, the government is not required to keep the records. And
that records are routinely destroyed after 90 days.
Unless the guy was referring to only registration of long guns, there
is a possibility that there is no record of the gun being registered
to you. Thus you may not be able to prove you ever purchased it, or
owned it, unless you have a proof of purchase with a serial number on
it, or the original box with a serial number on it or something.
But at least report it as being lost or stolen.
A friend of my dad's ran an illegal honky-tonk in the 70's. One night
he got raided. 25 cases of beer was confiscated, at the court hearing
several officer (that had loaded the beer into their cuisers) reported
that no beer, only empty bottles was found on the premises.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:32:13 GMT, ihaveenoug...@nospam.com
wrote:
Jeff
"Eb" <emc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:o8alb192erc6ugkfp...@4ax.com...
> A couple weeks ago, there was a story about the .50 cal on 60 Minutes.
>
> They were talking to a government official about guns being
> registered. The guy said that althought guns are required to be
> registered, the government is not required to keep the records. And
> that records are routinely destroyed after 90 days.
>
Thats an outright lie by whoever said it. Gun sales records by law must
be kept for 99 years I believe. Ive known several gunshop ownwers and they
have all said the same thing. If/when they go out of business they "must" send
the yellow sheets to the BATF in boxes that have the dates of the yellow forms
on them, for the remainder of the time limit. Very typical of "60 Minutes" of
misinformation. I sometimes wonder if these people need instructions on
how to tie their shoes. Destroyed my ass,, that would mean 90 days after
you purchase your blunderbus it would be untraceable.
Jeff
Eb
I mean the FBI finds a dead body and a firearm nearby. The FBI would
have to contact every gunshop in the entire US and have every gun shop
owner report back with if they ever sold a firearm with serial number
xxxxx and to whom.
Unless the gunshop files a report to the government after a sale and
its put into a computerized database, then the paperwork might as will
be destroyed as you would never be able to trace a gun sale.
The gunshop owners you know. Do they keep the documents in a fireproof
container? What would keep them from being destroyed if the gunshop
caught fire.
James Beck
emc...@yahoo.com says...
> If the gun shops keep the records, then thats encouraging.
>
> I mean the FBI finds a dead body and a firearm nearby. The FBI would
> have to contact every gunshop in the entire US and have every gun shop
> owner report back with if they ever sold a firearm with serial number
> xxxxx and to whom.
>
> Unless the gunshop files a report to the government after a sale and
> its put into a computerized database, then the paperwork might as will
> be destroyed as you would never be able to trace a gun sale.
>
> The gunshop owners you know. Do they keep the documents in a fireproof
> container? What would keep them from being destroyed if the gunshop
> caught fire.
>
The FBI would contact the gun manufacturer, the manufacturer has
documentation on what distributor purchased that weapon. They then
contact that distributor, they have a record of what FFL it was
transferred to. They then go to that FFL holder and pull the firearms
purchase form the end purchaser filled out. Not all that difficult if
they are properly motivated and the gun still has a readable serial
number and it hasn't changed hands or gotten stolen from the original
purchaser.
snake
>If the gun shops keep the records, then thats encouraging.
>
>I mean the FBI finds a dead body and a firearm nearby. The FBI would
>have to contact every gunshop in the entire US and have every gun shop
>owner report back with if they ever sold a firearm with serial number
>xxxxx and to whom.
>
>Unless the gunshop files a report to the government after a sale and
>its put into a computerized database, then the paperwork might as will
>be destroyed as you would never be able to trace a gun sale.
>
>The gunshop owners you know. Do they keep the documents in a fireproof
>container? What would keep them from being destroyed if the gunshop
>caught fire.
If the FBI has the gun all they need to do is contact the manufacture, who can
only sell to a wholesaler, the wholesaler can only sell to a FFL, and the FFL is required
to keep the records virtually for ever. Every gun sold in the US sense at least 1968 can
be traced to the original buyer, and in many states to the current owner of record.
>
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Thats an outright lie by whoever said it. Gun sales records by law must
>>be kept for 99 years I believe. Ive known several gunshop ownwers and they
>>have all said the same thing. If/when they go out of business they "must" send
>>the yellow sheets to the BATF in boxes that have the dates of the yellow forms
>>on them, for the remainder of the time limit. Very typical of "60 Minutes" of
>>misinformation. I sometimes wonder if these people need instructions on
>>how to tie their shoes. Destroyed my ass,, that would mean 90 days after
>>you purchase your blunderbus it would be untraceable.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jeff
>>
Snake
Randy Sweeney
> If the gun shops keep the records, then thats encouraging.
>
> I mean the FBI finds a dead body and a firearm nearby. The FBI would
> have to contact every gunshop in the entire US and have every gun shop
> owner report back with if they ever sold a firearm with serial number
> xxxxx and to whom.
>
> Unless the gunshop files a report to the government after a sale and
> its put into a computerized database, then the paperwork might as will
> be destroyed as you would never be able to trace a gun sale.
Would it be a bit smarter for the police to contact the manufacturer of the
gun and see which wholesaler they sold the gun to? And then to contact the
wholesaler and see which gun store THEY sold the gun to? And then see who
actually bought the gun?
Federal law prohibits a national database, but not common sense.
Brian Bunin
>If the gun shops keep the records, then thats encouraging.
>
>I mean the FBI finds a dead body and a firearm nearby. The FBI would
>have to contact every gunshop in the entire US and have every gun shop
>owner report back with if they ever sold a firearm with serial number
>xxxxx and to whom.
Contact the MFG. Find out which distributor they sold it to. Then contact the
Distributor to find out who THEY sold it to.
ihaveenoug...@nospam.com
On 25-Jun-2005, bb...@hotmail.com (Brian Bunin) wrote:
> Or they could do it the easy way.
> Contact the MFG. Find out which distributor they sold it to. Then contact
> the
> Distributor to find out who THEY sold it to.
They've been out of business for a few years. Another one took it's place
and now it too is out of business. Are they legally obligated to save their
records for a certain period of time?
Natman
wrote:
If a manufacturer, distributor or dealer goes out of business they are
required to turn over copies of their FFL records to the BATF.
Pumbaa
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There must be a building full of those forms somewhere (Area 51?). When
they raised the fees to get a FFL they ran a lot of small stores and home
operations out of the business. Would the BATF even bother to look thru the
records? Were the records scanned and put into a database or stored in
boxes or file cabinets?
Natman
I don't know what they did with them, but BATF is a branch of the
federal government. They can probably afford to hire a data entry
clerk to type in the data on the forms.
ihaveenoug...@nospam.com
On 26-Jun-2005, Natman <nat_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If a manufacturer, distributor or dealer goes out of business they are
> required to turn over copies of their FFL records to the BATF.
So how do I get the records from them? Do I have a legal right to these
records?
Natman
wrote:
I don't know exactly, but you should try BATF at their website:
or write:
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Office of Public and Governmental Affairs
650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW.
Room 8290
Washington, DC 20226
Best of luck.
Trumpet
My buddy was in the same situation, He did the following:
1. Called and met with the ACLU. They filed about 3 dozen lawsuits against
the city, State, The mayor, the police chief, the cops involved ...etc...
2. Call the NRA. They hate it when a legitimate gun owner doesn't receive
his gun back from the police. They will happily apply political pressure to
all involved, including Congress Citters.
3. Find the tv station in your area that is considered #2 for news
coverage. (They will be hungrier for a story than #1.) Tell them that the
mayor and the chief of police are about to be sued for violations against
civil liberties and mishandling firearm eveidence FOR PROFIT.
4. Repeat step 3 with newspapers.
My buddy followed these steps and got his gun back 8 days later along with
letters of apology from the mayor, police chief, cops involved, the govenor,
and 1 senator.
If you need or want help with this operation, e-mail me. I'll help you
out.
Paul
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Nick Hull
> I mean the FBI finds a dead body and a firearm nearby. The FBI would
> have to contact every gunshop in the entire US and have every gun shop
> owner report back with if they ever sold a firearm with serial number
> xxxxx and to whom.
How it really works; a gun is bought in Oregon 80 years ago and there
are no records of anything about that gun for half a century. Then 3
different federal agencies run a trace on the gun, and within a month
Vince Foster commits suicide with that gun. Thank heavens for gun
tracing, it solved that 'suicide'.
--
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Diogenes
wrote:
>In article <7gulb1dep7a0bsbgf...@4ax.com>,
> Eb <emc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I mean the FBI finds a dead body and a firearm nearby. The FBI would
>> have to contact every gunshop in the entire US and have every gun shop
>> owner report back with if they ever sold a firearm with serial number
>> xxxxx and to whom.
>
>How it really works; a gun is bought in Oregon 80 years ago and there
>are no records of anything about that gun for half a century. Then 3
>different federal agencies run a trace on the gun, and within a month
>Vince Foster commits suicide with that gun. Thank heavens for gun
>tracing, it solved that 'suicide'.
My favorite bumper sticker:
If Vince Foster'd Had a Gun, He Might Be Alive Today!
----
Diogenes (cdh...@hotmail.com)
The wars are long, the peace is frail
The madmen come again . . . .