Bear horror stories (Was Bears in Campground)
Fredric L. Rice
>I always change clothes that I cook in then put dirty cook clothes in a
>plastic bag and place inside the Heavy duty LOCKED tool box on my
>pickup.I know they can do a lot but they never have broke into the tool box.
>Food must be kept out of the sleep tent as you all know as well as
>clothes that you cook in.Not much info here,just getting to know he gang
>here,my best to all here in the news group,Larry
We had Boy Scouts doing volunteer hiking trail work at Crystal Lake
Recreation Area ( http://www.crystallake.name/ ) and that evening I
set my tent some ways away with the USFS radio turned off so I could
listen for any trouble -- and still get some sleep (boys are noisy,
even after five hours of hot, sweaty, exhausting trail work.)
They cooked hotdogs right there around their tents. This is an area
that burned in the 2002 Curve Fire so a lot of black bears had been
pushed out of their habitats and were in roaming behavior ever sinde
as the area grows back. Also since it's been closed to the public
sice 2002, the bears have no fear of humans -- they hardly know what
humans look like since they either never see them or see them rarely.
So when it was dark, in came bears from like 5 miles around, drawn by
the cooked hotdogs. They could not be discouraged and could not be
driven off and several of them were aggressive and expressed assault
behavior.
One of the bears entered my tent while I was off checking in to why
the boys were yelling and when I returned to my own tent, I found
a bear inside shredding my brother's old canvas backpack (which was
purchased second hand back in the 1970's.)
I started stomping my foot and yelling to drive the bear off and
instead he charged me. I leaped up on to the concrete table which
the contractors had installed during their restoration of the campgrounds
and thought about taking off my shoe to beat it with if it tried to
get me up on the table.
Instead my hand found the small frying pan that I always carry with me
on forestry volunteer work but rarely ever use. I banged that against
the table and the bear drew up short and paced back and forth in front
of me while huffing. It then moved off about 30 feet and continued to
pass back and forth.
While that was going on, bears were continueing to walk among the tents
and tables where the Boy Scouts and the two adults with them were. I
was told by the two adults who came looking for me that one of the
bears had charged them both and also huffed and paced back and forth
when they (the adults) stomped their feet and screamed and waved
their arms.
Becase of the bear behavior the adults decided to flee. While some of
the Boy Scouts used flashlights and yelling to try to discourage the
more aggressive bears, the rest of the volunteers quickly packed up
their tents and stuff.
Since I had the forestry gate key and radio, I had to leave also. I
abandoned my shredded tent, tossed my bicycle up on top of the pile of
camping gear in one of the pickup trucks, and we left.
One week later I was back up there with the usual trail crews and we
retrieved the destroyed tent, worked on Sunset Ridge Nature Trail (while
dodging a poacher who was shooting 100 yards or so from us) and then
headed we down the mountain after we were done.
I posted photographs and a write-up to my web site and the story was
carried by the San Gabriel Tribune which tried to cast the incident in
a humorous light. In retrospect it _was_ mildly amusing, but it was
not so funny when I was crouched on a picnic table in the dark trying
to fumble my shoe off to beat a bear in the face with.
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Insane woman verbally assaults 2 little girls
mtn...@netzero.com
>
> I posted photographs and a write-up to my web site and the story was
> carried by the San Gabriel Tribune which tried to cast the incident in
> a humorous light. In retrospect it _was_ mildly amusing, but it was
> not so funny when I was crouched on a picnic table in the dark trying
> to fumble my shoe off to beat a bear in the face with.
>
Since your philosophy is "I am in favor of humans being attacked,
killed, and eaten when it's
the humans that are invading the other animal's home, and when it's
an adult that was mauled or eaten.", what the big deal?
Puppet_Sock
> They cooked hotdogs right there around their tents.
Many `tards that pull such stupid stunts in bear country don't get
a second chance to leap off a cliff. You can maybe tolerate such
quaint little lapses in brain function if the biggest critter around
is a `coon or such. In bear country it's mighty stupid. Richly,
moistly, vacuously stupid.
That three adults were there and let this foolishness procede
is not indicative of a well run scout troop.
Socks
Traveller�
>They cooked hotdogs right there around their tents.
How stupid can YOU be to let them do that! And you were responsible for a group
of Boy Scouts?!
Fredric L. Rice
None and I'm glad to see the bears win this one -- without any kids
being hurt. Usually the bears lose -- we had a "hunter" kill a
black bear and severed all four of its paws, then left the rest of
the dead bear behind. While climbing down from Devils Ridge the
"hunter" tried to go down a dry wash, fell down the cliff face, and
it was figured that it took some 2 or 3 weeks for him to die. That
was a partial win for the bears.
Fredric L. Rice
This is Los Angeles County and the San Gabriel Mountains, a so-called
"pocket forest" residing smack in the middle of some 14 million city
people. I don't know how many times the city kids ever made it out
into the woods, and it's possible I was the only one who spend a lot
of time in the woods. It's an area where inner city kids are bussed
in for fishing a derby once a year just to show them that there is
something more than cars, stink, and concrete.
Fredric L. Rice
No, I volunteer in the forest and do not have any authority (and
usually no desire) to tell people what to do. When it comes to
fires, firearms, cliff face climbing, or other immediate safety
issues, I'll say something, or when it comes to domestic violence,
drug sales, poaching, spray painting, arson, or other crimes, I
call it in on the radio. But no, I don't tell people what they
can and can't do.
Even non-hot dog cooking Boy Scouts have problems with bears when
the bears smell something that even just one person has, either in
a tent or in a pocket.
We had a Boy Scout troop whose adults had passed out candy to each
of the kids before turning in for the night. One kid had a bear
drag the kid's sleeping bag off of him trying to get to the candy
in the kid's pocket.
Whose fault was that? Nobody's since these are city people who
don't know better.
Howard Page
Cimarron,NM. We spent 10 days hiking around the mountains and participating
in all sorts of neat activities that I couldn't do here in coastal,NH. There
was a bunch of Cinnamon bears a few hundred yards away just minding their
own business and as we set up camp we had a ball watching them. I heard
about a week later that there was a group of scouts from Massachusetts who
were teasing the bears and that their scoutmaster was either killed or
severely injured when he went after one of them because he thought it was
threatening his scouts. We had no problems with the bears, we observed them
with respect but didn't bother them and they didn't bother us. Of course
just being 14 yr olds we were just an appetizer to them not even a full
meal.
"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
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y_p_w
> On Jul 17, 11:25�pm, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
> [snip]
> > They cooked hotdogs right there around their tents.
>
> Many `tards that pull such stupid stunts in bear country don't get
> a second chance to leap off a cliff. You can maybe tolerate such
> quaint little lapses in brain function if the biggest critter around
> is a `coon or such. In bear country it's mighty stupid. Richly,
> moistly, vacuously stupid.
Cooking near your tent is standard operating procedure at most
developed campgrounds - even in bear country. I've seen people
cooking at their campsites in the Sierras and Cascades. There are
even fire pits located mere feet from tent pads. I remember dozens of
stoves being used at the Yosemite backpackers campground. Of course
those areas are often frequented by black bears. All the Pines
campgrounds in Yosemite as well as Dorst Creek and Lodgepole in
Sequoia NP are notorious for bears that "make the rounds" almost every
night to check for unstored food and/or unsecured bear boxes.
I tried to get to sleep early after I finished my trip and retired to
the backpackers campground when I got woken up by people scaring off
bears. Some HS kid got his backpack snatched bear. Lousy way to
start off his trip. I had my entire backpack stored in a bear box; it
was easier than trying to unload the contents with the zippers open,
and definitely more secure. The next morning, people started yelling
about a bear, with a juvenile standing on a rock looking at 30 pairs
of human eyes staring back. It took off before the half dozen or so
people going for their cameras pulled them out.
I know it's recommended to cook and store food a good distance away
from one's tent in the backcountry (I've heard anywhere from 30 feet
to 100 yards) where there are bears. However - there's usually space
to do so. In the Little Yosemite Valley backcountry campground, the
density doesn't allow for the typical wilderness camping requirements
to be met.
Tom Biasi
Fredric,
If you value the life of a bear more than that of a human you need to seek
some help.
Tom
Jim
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>
> Fredric,
> If you value the life of a bear more than that of a human you need to seek
> some help.
>
> Tom
>
Which is why I usually pack a big-bore revolver when hiking in bear country.
I love bears, but there's a limit.
Fredric L. Rice
>were teasing the bears and that their scoutmaster was either killed or
>severely injured when he went after one of them because he thought it was
>threatening his scouts. We had no problems with the bears, we observed them
>with respect but didn't bother them and they didn't bother us. Of course
>just being 14 yr olds we were just an appetizer to them not even a full meal.
It sounds like your adults had good sense. I also wonder about the
smell -- if you were tromping around the mountains for 10 days, it
may be that the smell of food on your clothes and skin might have
been subverted by the smell of unwashed boy. }:-}
Fredric L. Rice
>I tried to get to sleep early after I finished my trip and retired to
>the backpackers campground when I got woken up by people scaring off
>bears. Some HS kid got his backpack snatched bear.
When working on Mount Waterman Nature Trail with 9 other volunteers,
we hauled our backpacks up pine trees with our belay ropes. I think
putting packs out of sight of bears is better since a dangleing pack
seems to encourage the bear to think long and hard about how to get
it down from there. }:-}
>I know it's recommended to cook and store food a good distance away
>from one's tent in the backcountry (I've heard anywhere from 30 feet
>to 100 yards) where there are bears. However - there's usually space
>to do so.
In retrospect, I think from now on if I'm ever the safety backup on
a Boy Scout volunteer effort, I'll politely suggest doing that. Up
at Crystal Lake the place is closed so there was a lot of room.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
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>> mtn...@netzero.com wrote:
>>>On Jul 17, 11:25 pm, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>> I posted photographs and a write-up to my web site and the story was
>>>> carried by the San Gabriel Tribune which tried to cast the incident in
>>>> a humorous light. In retrospect it _was_ mildly amusing, but it was
>>>> not so funny when I was crouched on a picnic table in the dark trying
>>>> to fumble my shoe off to beat a bear in the face with.
>>>Since your philosophy is "I am in favor of humans being attacked,
>>>killed, and eaten when it's
>>>the humans that are invading the other animal's home, and when it's
>>>an adult that was mauled or eaten.", what the big deal?
>> None and I'm glad to see the bears win this one -- without any kids
>> being hurt. Usually the bears lose -- we had a "hunter" kill a
>> black bear and severed all four of its paws, then left the rest of
>> the dead bear behind. While climbing down from Devils Ridge the
>> "hunter" tried to go down a dry wash, fell down the cliff face, and
>> it was figured that it took some 2 or 3 weeks for him to die. That
>> was a partial win for the bears.
>Fredric,
>If you value the life of a bear more than that of a human you need to seek
>some help.
LOL! There are always more humans coming along -- we got six and a
half billion of 'em, Xenu bless us all. I don't mind it when male
adults do something that kills 'em, but I do care when it's kids or
female adults. Call it a weakness but I think adults have the civil
right to do whatever they want even if it kills them so long as they
don't harm others (and I consider leaving orphans behind to be harm.)
As a volunteer, I work extremly hard on week ends, most of it on
things that involves either safety or health -- so it's not as if I
encourage people to die (unless it's morons on motorcycles racing
up and down the canyons, then I cheer and pray for their oncoming
deaths, sure, no problem. Fuckers deserve to die since they crash
in to innocent people and hurt them way too often.)
Fredric L. Rice
>"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> hiking in bear country. I love bears, but there's a limit.
I never understood such mentality. People entering the forest are
the problem, not the bears. Bears aren't at fault, it's the people
who walk in to their habitats who are the strange creatures who are
intruding.
A minimal response to possible bear maulings would be pepper spray
or bear mace, not a handgun. No U. S. Forest Service employee, and
no unpaid forestry volunteer ever feels the need to carry guns to
use against bears (some carry pepper spray but I think that's more
for violent humans.)
But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
high.
Jim
> "Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote:
>>"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>> If you value the life of a bear more than that of a human you need to
>>> seek some help.
>> Which is why I usually pack a big-bore revolver when
>> hiking in bear country. I love bears, but there's a limit.
>
> I never understood such mentality.
There's probably a lot of things in this world beyond your comprehension.
> People entering the forest are
> the problem, not the bears. Bears aren't at fault, it's the people
> who walk in to their habitats who are the strange creatures who are
> intruding.
>
It's their home, I know I'm a guest and I act as such.
> A minimal response to possible bear maulings would be pepper spray
> or bear mace, not a handgun. No U. S. Forest Service employee, and
> no unpaid forestry volunteer ever feels the need to carry guns to
> use against bears (some carry pepper spray but I think that's more
> for violent humans.)
>
Minimum for you perhaps. Two legged creatures are more of a problem.
> But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
> expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
> bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
> high.
I have no anticipation or expectation. I avoid at almost all costs, defer at
all times. I will not be mauled or eaten. I am prepared. I enjoy my life too
much.
Innocence is a human attribute not to be placed on creatures not capable of
intelligent thought process. A wild animal is a wild animal and as such, is
capable of any type of behavior at any given time for whatever reason it
sees fit to partake in. There are rogue animals of all species, who act
completely out of norm for no reason whatsoever, at least discernable by
humans.
You go ahead and take your chances, though.
Tom Biasi
> "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
> As a volunteer, I work extremly hard on week ends, most of it on
> things that involves either safety or health -- so it's not as if I
> encourage people to die (unless it's morons on motorcycles racing
> up and down the canyons, then I cheer and pray for their oncoming
> deaths, sure, no problem. Fuckers deserve to die since they crash
> in to innocent people and hurt them way too often.)
You pray for them to die? Pray to whom, are you not a self-proclaimed
atheist?
Jim
He's a little sick....think I'll keep on packing, thanks.
br...@pobox.com
No. You prefer to hide behind your betters, parasite.
Tom Biasi
"Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> You pray for them to die? Pray to whom, are you not a self-proclaimed
>> atheist?
>
> He's a little sick....think I'll keep on packing, thanks.
>
As of now we are not allowed to carry in national parks or reserves.
Feds are thinking of making the parks carry laws that of the state in which
they are.
Tom
Jim
National forests are open, tend to be less crowded too.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
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>> "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>> As a volunteer, I work extremly hard on week ends, most of it on
>> things that involves either safety or health -- so it's not as if I
>> encourage people to die (unless it's morons on motorcycles racing
>> up and down the canyons, then I cheer and pray for their oncoming
>> deaths, sure, no problem. Fuckers deserve to die since they crash
>> in to innocent people and hurt them way too often.)
>You pray for them to die? Pray to whom, are you not a self-proclaimed atheist?
Yeah, funny how nothing fails like prayer, huh? }:-} Funny because
there's a hospitilization or death from a downed motorcycle moron every
two weeks along Highway 39 thanks to the near lack of law enforcement
to stop these fuckers from playing pretend, so praying works _some_ times.
Fredric L. Rice
>He's a little sick....think I'll keep on packing, thanks.
Yeah, good luck explaining why you killed a bear as "self protection."
"But Judge, he was going after my Snickers candy bars!" LOL! FAIL.
Fact is _nobody_manly_ needs to carry a gun while pretending he's
going to kill a bear with it. Ask any U. S. Forest Service employee
about carrying a firearm to kill bears in case they attack and the
USFS person will attempt to assess your mental state. Comes with
the job and with working with the public, many of which have problems.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
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>> "Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>news:Mv-dndQVobwDnBzV...@giganews.com...
>>>> If you value the life of a bear more than that of a human you need to
>>>> seek some help.
>>> Which is why I usually pack a big-bore revolver when
>>> hiking in bear country. I love bears, but there's a limit.
>> I never understood such mentality.
>There's probably a lot of things in this world beyond your comprehension.
Translation: You can't address the issues so, like a Usenet n00b,
you try personal attacks. No offense intended, but if you were a
_man_ you wouldn't need to carry a gun to feel manly.
Fredric L. Rice
Huh? What betters? How many volunteer hours do _you_ do working in
the forest to give back something for the camping and hiking that
_you_ do?
What kind of sick fuck is _such_ a mammas' boy that he has to carry
a firearm in to the forest under the guise of "self defense against
bears?" Good fucking grief.
Tom Biasi
> "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>You pray for them to die? Pray to whom, are you not a self-proclaimed
>>atheist?
>
> Yeah, funny how nothing fails like prayer, huh? }:-} Funny because
> there's a hospitilization or death from a downed motorcycle moron every
> two weeks along Highway 39 thanks to the near lack of law enforcement
> to stop these fuckers from playing pretend, so praying works _some_ times.
>
But to whom do you pray? The bears?
Chick Tower
> TravellerŠ <ro...@planet.nl> wrote:
>
>>>They cooked hotdogs right there around their tents.
>>How stupid can YOU be to let them do that! And you were responsible for a
>>group of Boy Scouts?!
>
> No, I volunteer in the forest and do not have any authority (and usually
> no desire) to tell people what to do. When it comes to fires, firearms,
> cliff face climbing, or other immediate safety issues, I'll say something,
> or when it comes to domestic violence, drug sales, poaching, spray
> painting, arson, or other crimes, I call it in on the radio. But no, I
> don't tell people what they can and can't do.
>
> Even non-hot dog cooking Boy Scouts have problems with bears when the
> bears smell something that even just one person has, either in a tent or
> in a pocket.
Even non-hotdog-cooking non-affiliated campers have problems with bears
when Boy Scouts cook hotdogs in the area. Perhaps I'm naive, but wouldn't
you suggest they not do things that endanger YOUR welfare as well as their
own?
--
Chick Tower
For e-mail: arh DOT sent DOT towerboy AT xoxy DOT net
Fredric L. Rice
>But to whom do you pray? The bears?
It doesn't matter, the placebo effect works regardless of whether one
prays at deity constructs, brick walls, or bears. It's funny, praying
"works" about 11% of the time, the placebo rate. Actually thinking
about a problem and working to fix it works a whole lot better.
Tom Biasi
> "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>But to whom do you pray? The bears?
>
> It doesn't matter, the placebo effect works regardless of whether one
> prays at deity constructs, brick walls, or bears. It's funny, praying
> "works" about 11% of the time, the placebo rate. Actually thinking
> about a problem and working to fix it works a whole lot better.
>
That has got to be the biggest cop out I ever heard. Your placebo effect can
have no effect on other people.
I would have accepted it if you told me you were just using a generic
expression like "I wish" either way you are a troubled individual.
What are you doing to help the biker problem other than pray for their
death?
Tom
Puppet_Sock
[snip]
> Actually thinking
> about a problem and working to fix it works a whole lot better.
Evidence to date does not support the notion that you have
ever done any of that. To date the evidence suggests that
you don't know how to behave in bear country, that you don't
have any clue whether praying for something helps or not,
and that you have no particular connection with a clue about
what produces vehicle accidents.
Socks
y_p_w
> "Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in messagenews:-YSdnRAqw5zUxhzV...@posted.sonicnet...
> > People entering the forest are
> > the problem, not the bears. Bears aren't at fault, it's the people
> > who walk in to their habitats who are the strange creatures who are
> > intruding.
>
> It's their home, I know I'm a guest and I act as such.
Not exactly. A human campground/campsite isn't their home; it's their
hunting ground. They don't exactly think of the woods as their home.
They have to share it with deer, birds, squirrels, and other woodland
creatures. Think of it that way, and people can consciously eliminate
the reason why they would "hunt" for food. Put the food in the trunk
(if allowed) or bear box (if provided) and secure them well. Use a
bear canister or properly counterbalanced bear bags. Condition the
bears as such that they know they're not getting anything out of their
efforts. I've heard many stories where people have witnessed bears
taking one look at a bear canister and walking away.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:11:43 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
>>>expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
>>>bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
>>>high.
>>No. You prefer to hide behind your betters, parasite.
>
>Huh? What betters? How many volunteer hours do _you_ do working in
>the forest to give back something for the camping and hiking that
>_you_ do?
>
>What kind of sick fuck is _such_ a mammas' boy that he has to carry
>a firearm in to the forest under the guise of "self defense against
>bears?" Good fucking grief.
More bullshit from a loudmouthed parasite that has spent his life
hiding behind his betters.
I'm not surprised that you consider playing around with a shovel in
the outdoors to be "service". You whining dilletantes are all the
same.
Tom Biasi
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He's a phony Socks.
Look him up.
Real wacko, wonder why he likes to hang out with boy scouts?
ShadowTek
>>a firearm in to the forest under the guise of "self defense against
>>bears?" Good fucking grief.
It was recently debated here in Tennessee whether or not to allow
firearms is state parks (among other places). The concern was not about
defending yourself against wildlife, but about defending yourself
against other people.
People ask me if I am afraid of being attacked by a bear when I go
camping alone in the forest. I say "No, not unless the bear has a gun.
It's other people I'm more concerned about."
I figure that simply carrying can of bear-strength pepper spray should
be all that I will need to deal with the occasional unruly black bear.
Some people laugh at notion that pepper spray will affect a bear, but if
you have ever inhaled the stuff yourself, personally felt its effects,
and witnesses the intense thickness of the spray of a "real" can of bear
spray, then I think you would have respect for it. That stuff can easily
kill a human if you continued to hose them down with it, and I imagine
the same would hold true for any air breathing animal.
br...@pobox.com
If you want a real INTERESTING experience, use some and then forget to
wash your hands before going to the bathroom. :)
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:11:43 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
>>>expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
>>>bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
>>>high.
>>No. You prefer to hide behind your betters, parasite.
>
>Huh? What betters? How many volunteer hours do _you_ do working in
>the forest to give back something for the camping and hiking that
>_you_ do?
>
>What kind of sick fuck is _such_ a mammas' boy that he has to carry
>a firearm in to the forest under the guise of "self defense against
>bears?" Good fucking grief.
More bullshit from an armchair adventurer.
Ryan Robbins
> "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> If you value the life of a bear more than that of a human you need to
>> seek some help.
>>
>>
>
> Which is why I usually pack a big-bore revolver when hiking in bear
> country. I love bears, but there's a limit.
You don't really have anything to fear when it comes to black bears. You're
more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely to be killed by
another hiker, and more likely to be killed by a bee than to be killed by a
black bear.
ShadowTek
> wash your hands before going to the bathroom. :)
I actually did that once, lol. I used to carry the can strapped to the
outside of my pack, and, while we were bushwhackin up a hill, I went
under a low lying log, raised up too soon, and managed to jam the
trigger/lever (which had lost its safety tab while pushing through
brush) up against the log. I heard a loud "PSSSSHHHHHHHHHHT", and
thought "what the hell was that?" It sounded like some sort of
depressurization, but the only peice of equipment I had that came to
mind was my CamelBack water bladder. But my water bladder couldn't hold
nearly enough pressure to make that loud of a noise, so it didn't make
any sense.
A few seconds latter, me and my dad began to smell some kind of weird,
bitter-like smell. As I breathed it in, it caused a noticible buring
sensation in my throat. Still confused, I thought that maybe I had just
been sprayed by a skunk, or something. Then, I realised what had
happend.
By then, there was an invisible aura of misty peppery spray hanging in
the air. We ran up the hill to get away from it, but the irony was that
we had to breath the air in more deeply as we climed up the steep hill.
The mist left a thin layer of pepper all over my body, which began to
burn every time my skin became wet with sweat. I tried my best to
remember not to rub anywhere near my eyes for the rest of the hike, but
I neglected to realise the sensitive nature of foreskin as I ignorantly
handled myself the next time I had to take a leak.
Yeah, that's a sensation to remember.
zoomie
>
> You don't really have anything to fear when it comes to black bears. You're
> more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely to be killed by
> another hiker, and more likely to be killed by a bee than to be killed by a
> black bear.
This is the best response in this thread. Thank you Ryan.
I've noticed that the subject of bears seems to be both a hot topic
and an emotional one.
As an east coaster (and I know that the majority of American hikers
who post here are
west coasters) I don't worry about bears unless its sow protecting her
cubs. We have
a saying here. Engrave your name and social security number
on a bear bell and hang it on your pack. On the east coast, it will
frighten off the bears.
On the west coast it will make it easier for Forestry to ID your
remains in the bear poop.
OK, back to your childish sniping...
Zoom
Tom Biasi
"Ryan Robbins" <redbi...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> You don't really have anything to fear when it comes to black bears.
> You're more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely to be
> killed by another hiker, and more likely to be killed by a bee than to be
> killed by a black bear.
>
You are correct Ryan. I live in New Jersey. Very large and in excess Black
Bear population.
Unless you are a garbage can you really don't have much to fear from them.
Even in the wild they stay clear of humans but they don't hesitate to raid
your camp at night or at dawn.
Don't get in the way and don't be stupid.
Now, in Alaska, you do not go in the wild unarmed, period.
Tom
greylock
Rice) wrote:
>"Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote:
>>"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:Mv-dndQVobwDnBzV...@giganews.com...
>>> If you value the life of a bear more than that of a human you need to seek some help.
>> Which is why I usually pack a big-bore revolver when
>> hiking in bear country. I love bears, but there's a limit.
>
>I never understood such mentality. People entering the forest are
>the problem, not the bears. Bears aren't at fault, it's the people
>who walk in to their habitats who are the strange creatures who are
>intruding.
>
>A minimal response to possible bear maulings would be pepper spray
>or bear mace, not a handgun. No U. S. Forest Service employee, and
>no unpaid forestry volunteer ever feels the need to carry guns to
>use against bears (some carry pepper spray but I think that's more
>for violent humans.)
>
>But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
>expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
>bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
>high.
>
>---
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5W8ALB0SNU
>Insane woman verbally assaults 2 little girls
Had a "friend of the bears" in Alaska.
Got himself killed and eaten.
Unfortunately he also got his girlfriend killed.
I don't go hunting bears and I take the normal precautions.
I prefer being armed in case they are feeling pissy when I happen to
be passing.
If you keep screwing around in bear country with no means to defend
yourself - you'll eventually get unlucky.
It will be an expression of evolution in action.
Joe Pfeiffer
>
>
> Had a "friend of the bears" in Alaska.
>
> Got himself killed and eaten.
Yes, but he spent several years working at before he succeeded.
Ryan Robbins
"zoomie" <goodma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 21, 6:41 pm, "Ryan Robbins" <redbird...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> You don't really have anything to fear when it comes to black bears.
>> You're
>> more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely to be killed by
>> another hiker, and more likely to be killed by a bee than to be killed by
>> a
>> black bear.
>
> This is the best response in this thread. Thank you Ryan.
>
> I've noticed that the subject of bears seems to be both a hot topic
> and an emotional one.
> As an east coaster (and I know that the majority of American hikers
> who post here are
> west coasters) I don't worry about bears unless its sow protecting her
> cubs.
There really isn't any need to worry about Momma black bear, either. There
have been no published reports of black bear mothers with cubs killing
people. In fact, I have had three encounters with a mother and cub in a
little over the last year. Last year a mother and cub came down a trail
within 25 feet of me as I was waiting out a rain shower on my bike. The
mother stood on her hind legs, huffed, snorted, clacked, stomped the ground,
and then ran when I unzipped my camera bag. Her cub climbed a tree for
photos while she hid in the brush.
Last month I encountered a mother and a cub on a logging road. They were
about 100 feet apart when I came around the bend. The cub fled into some
ferns and the mother followed. They then went behind me and took off.
I encountered the same cub two weeks ago. The cub fled up a tree while the
mother paced nearby in some trees. I spent an hour videotaping and
photographing the cub while the mother waited. She never revealed herself.
http://picasaweb.google.com/ryan.robbins/WildCreatures/photo?authkey=TDjZ767ifx4#5225393178813054418
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zifFKYjWjzo
Grizzly bears are another story. Seventy percent of deaths attributed to
grizzlies involved the presence of cubs.
Ryan Robbins
"greylock" <silv...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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By a grizzly bear. Grizzlies are more aggressive than black bears. The
species have different evolutionary histories.
y_p_w
> "greylock" <silver...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:c4aa8457midlo0s1e...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:11:43 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L.
> > Rice) wrote:
>
> >>>"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi...@optonline.net> wrote in message
My understanding is that the grizzly has more often than not been at
the top of the food chain. Black bears have an evolutionary history
of survival by avoiding the typically larger and more aggressive
grizzly. It's been wired into their brains to stay away from anything
acting aggressive towards them. Of course there are exceptions.
y_p_w
> "zoomie" <goodman.aa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5cec3079-5038-4d9a...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 6:41 pm, "Ryan Robbins" <redbird...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> You don't really have anything to fear when it comes to black bears.
> >> You're
> >> more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely to be killed by
> >> another hiker, and more likely to be killed by a bee than to be killed by
> >> a
> >> black bear.
>
> > This is the best response in this thread. Thank you Ryan.
>
> > I've noticed that the subject of bears seems to be both a hot topic
> > and an emotional one.
> > As an east coaster (and I know that the majority of American hikers
> > who post here are
> > west coasters) I don't worry about bears unless its sow protecting her
> > cubs.
>
> There really isn't any need to worry about Momma black bear, either. There
> have been no published reports of black bear mothers with cubs killing
> people. In fact, I have had three encounters with a mother and cub in a
> little over the last year. Last year a mother and cub came down a trail
> within 25 feet of me as I was waiting out a rain shower on my bike. The
> mother stood on her hind legs, huffed, snorted, clacked, stomped the ground,
> and then ran when I unzipped my camera bag. Her cub climbed a tree for
> photos while she hid in the brush.
I've heard of the isolated instance of a black bear mom with cubs
maybe clawing or knocking over someone.
> Last month I encountered a mother and a cub on a logging road. They were
> about 100 feet apart when I came around the bend. The cub fled into some
> ferns and the mother followed. They then went behind me and took off.
My experience was of one off in the distance with two cubs on a downed
giant sequoia tree. It didn't seem all that bothered as long as I
kept my distance. Then we heard the sound of a cub climbing up a tree
and saw the cub scurrying up. We backed off and at least let the cub
come back down to its family. I got pictures, but the ImageShack
server seems to be having problems. My (now) wife was terrified that
it might attack us; she wanted to head back even if it meant tracking
back five miles instead of the one mile it would take to complete our
loop. I was just giddy at the opportunity to see a bear with cubs
that wasn't too concerned about our presence. I'd seen bears before,
but this one didn't seem to be in a hurry to leave like the others I'd
seen.
> I encountered the same cub two weeks ago. The cub fled up a tree while the
> mother paced nearby in some trees. I spent an hour videotaping and
> photographing the cub while the mother waited. She never revealed herself.
I've heard that more often than not they'll run away when confronted
and come back for their cubs later.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>news:4sKdnSSP79Nm6h7V...@posted.sonicnet...
>> "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>But to whom do you pray? The bears?
>> It doesn't matter, the placebo effect works regardless of whether one
>> prays at deity constructs, brick walls, or bears. It's funny, praying
>> "works" about 11% of the time, the placebo rate. Actually thinking
>> about a problem and working to fix it works a whole lot better.
>That has got to be the biggest cop out I ever heard.
LOL! You might consider doing a google search on what a placebo is
and how that factors in to deity constructs. }:-} The Skeptical
Inquirer, amusingly enough, carried a journal entry proclaiming
that magic works, and went on to show how placebo effects work
regardless of what the believer believes.
Fredric L. Rice
>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:53:57 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L.
>Rice) wrote:
>>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:11:43 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>>But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
>>>>expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
>>>>bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
>>>>high.
>>>No. You prefer to hide behind your betters, parasite.
>>
>>Huh? What betters? How many volunteer hours do _you_ do working in
>>the forest to give back something for the camping and hiking that
>>_you_ do?
>>
>>What kind of sick fuck is _such_ a mammas' boy that he has to carry
>>a firearm in to the forest under the guise of "self defense against
>>bears?" Good fucking grief.
>More bullshit from a loudmouthed parasite that has spent his life
>hiding behind his betters.
Translation: The mamma's boy has nothing.
If you're so afraid of the forest that you have to bring a gun to
save you, don't go in to the forest.
Fredric L. Rice
>On Jul 20, 1:38=A0pm, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>[snip]
>> Actually thinking
>> about a problem and working to fix it works a whole lot better.
>Evidence to date does not support the notion that you have
>ever done any of that. To date the evidence suggests that
>you don't know how to behave in bear country, that you don't
>have any clue whether praying for something helps or not
LOL! When you can find anything I write about to be in error, you'll
let me know, won't you? Thanks in advance for your prompt assistance.
As it is, believing in vampires, pixies, gods, goddesses, fairies,
and anything else works just as well as the well known placebo effect
rates do -- which kinda tells you something about the godstruck
among us, huh? }:-}
Fredric L. Rice
>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:53:57 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L.
>Rice) wrote:
>>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:11:43 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>>But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
>>>>expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
>>>>bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
>>>>high.
>>>No. You prefer to hide behind your betters, parasite.
>>
>>Huh? What betters? How many volunteer hours do _you_ do working in
>>the forest to give back something for the camping and hiking that
>>_you_ do?
>>
>>What kind of sick fuck is _such_ a mammas' boy that he has to carry
>>a firearm in to the forest under the guise of "self defense against
>>bears?" Good fucking grief.
>More bullshit from an armchair adventurer.
http://www.CrystalLake.Name/twork/twork.htm
You were saying, mammas' boy?
Fredric L. Rice
The ther pus side is that he got recycled completely.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:38agk.2272$8R1...@newsfe03.iad...
>> "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:Mv-dndQVobwDnBzV...@giganews.com...
>> Which is why I usually pack a big-bore revolver when hiking in bear
>> country. I love bears, but there's a limit.
>You don't really have anything to fear when it comes to black bears. You're
>more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely to be killed by
>another hiker, and more likely to be killed by a bee than to be killed by a
>black bear.
The type of mentality that brings a firearm into the forest in the
first place is _far_ more likely to be shot by his own firearm. And
that's even without the alcohol that usually accompanies such people.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:53:57 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L.
>>Rice) wrote:
>
>>>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:11:43 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>>>But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
>>>>>expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
>>>>>bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
>>>>>high.
>>>>No. You prefer to hide behind your betters, parasite.
>>>
>>>Huh? What betters? How many volunteer hours do _you_ do working in
>>>the forest to give back something for the camping and hiking that
>>>_you_ do?
>>>
>>>What kind of sick fuck is _such_ a mammas' boy that he has to carry
>>>a firearm in to the forest under the guise of "self defense against
>>>bears?" Good fucking grief.
>
>>More bullshit from a loudmouthed parasite that has spent his life
>>hiding behind his betters.
>
>Translation: The mamma's boy has nothing.
No. The translation is that are a loudmouthed, gutless sack of shit
who spends his life hiding behind better men than yourself, parasite.
By the way, if you would like to calll this old, retired cop a momma's
boy to his face, feel free.
Of course we both know there is no way that you are going to heave
your lard ass of momma's couch.
>
>If you're so afraid of the forest that you have to bring a gun to
>save you, don't go in to the forest.
Sorry, maggot. I grew up in the boondocks.
Try again, whining little parasite.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:53:57 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L.
>>Rice) wrote:
>
>>>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:11:43 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>>>But I never understood the mindset that considers arming up in the
>>>>>expectation or anticipation of killing innocent animals. Maulings by
>>>>>bears are extremly few and yet the atrition rate of bears is way too
>>>>>high.
>>>>No. You prefer to hide behind your betters, parasite.
>>>
>>>Huh? What betters? How many volunteer hours do _you_ do working in
>>>the forest to give back something for the camping and hiking that
>>>_you_ do?
>>>
>>>What kind of sick fuck is _such_ a mammas' boy that he has to carry
>>>a firearm in to the forest under the guise of "self defense against
>>>bears?" Good fucking grief.
>
>>More bullshit from an armchair adventurer.
>
>http://www.CrystalLake.Name/twork/twork.htm
>
>You were saying, mammas' boy?
>
And this has what to do with lying sack of shit like yourself, Walter
Mitty?
Tom Biasi
The Placebo describes influence from a higher power, which you claim doesn't
exist.
But this is not Alt.religion.
You are a loser.
I say no more to you.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>>news:RL6dnUqpDpI4xRzV...@posted.sonicnet...
>>> "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>>> As a volunteer, I work extremly hard on week ends, most of it on
>>> things that involves either safety or health -- so it's not as if I
>>> encourage people to die (unless it's morons on motorcycles racing
>>> up and down the canyons, then I cheer and pray for their oncoming
>>> deaths, sure, no problem. Fuckers deserve to die since they crash
>>> in to innocent people and hurt them way too often.)
>>You pray for them to die? Pray to whom, are you not a self-proclaimed atheist?
>
>Yeah, funny how nothing fails like prayer, huh? }:-} Funny because
>there's a hospitilization or death from a downed motorcycle moron every
>two weeks along Highway 39 thanks to the near lack of law enforcement
>to stop these fuckers from playing pretend, so praying works _some_ times.
It's typical of a worthless armchair adventurer like yourself to
resent those who actually haul their lard asses off their couches and
do something.
Try again, you whining, gutless parasite.
Jim
I don't drink.
"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
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Wild Monkshood
Jim wrote:
> Wrong again (or still, whichever...).
>
> I don't drink.
I always carry alcohol in the form of hand sanitizer...
WM
Jim
"Wild Monkshood" <Wild_Mo...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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Wild Monkshood
Jim wrote:
> Bet it tastes like crap. :-)
Not if you use cat pee as a mixer.... :^)
WM
Jim
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ShadowTek
My uncle is one of the few people I know that regularly hunts, and he just
happens to be one of the few people I know that rarely ever drinks.
ShadowTek
>
> No. The translation is that are a loudmouthed, gutless sack of shit
> who spends his life hiding behind better men than yourself, parasite.
>
> By the way, if you would like to calll this old, retired cop a momma's
> boy to his face, feel free.
>
> Of course we both know there is no way that you are going to heave
> your lard ass of momma's couch.
If the basic disagreement is with the idea of killing animals, then I don't
see much ethical difference between personal hunting and the industrial
slaughtering of animals that the average consumer relys on.
I find it ironic that anyone who eats meat would ever have contempt for
someone who does the same, but is willing to "do the deed" himself.
I wonder if all the anti-hunting posters are actually true vegetarians?
I wonder if any of them who are not will actually take the time to lie
about it?
lol
Ryan Robbins
"y_p_w" <y_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That's right. Stephen Herrero, author of "Bear Attacks: Their Causes and
Avoidance," believes that the grizzly is more aggressive than the black bear
because the grizzly's territory tends to be in the open. There is no place
for the grizzly to hide, so fighting is the only option when the grizzly
feels threatened. The black bear, on the other hand, lives in dense forest.
Its primary defense is to run for cover or climb a tree. It does both of
these things very well. According to Lynn Rogers, a founder of the North
American Bear Center in Ely, Minn., the black bear needed such skills to
avoid being prey to now-extinct animals that were much larger. The black
bear was smaller back then. Today its only predators are humans and itself.
br...@pobox.com
Take a look at the clothing that these anti-hunting trash wear. How
many of them have leather jackets, shoes, belts, handbags, etc?
Can you say "hypocrites"?
Siskuwihane
> "Jim" <ques...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:38agk.2272$8R1...@newsfe03.iad...
>
> > "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >news:Mv-dndQVobwDnBzV...@giganews.com...
>
> >> If you value the life of a bear more than that of a human you need to
> >> seek some help.
>
>
> > Which is why I usually pack a big-bore revolver when hiking in bear
> > country. I love bears, but there's a limit.
>
> more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely to be killed by
> another hiker, and more likely to be killed by a bee than to be killed by a
> black bear.
Which is why I carry a big-bore revolver when hiking in bee country.
Wild Monkshood
Siskuwihane wrote:
I've hiked with big bores before. It's one of the reasons I like solo
hiking....
WM
caroline
>On Jul 21, 6:41 pm, "Ryan Robbins" wrote:
>
>> You don't really have anything to fear when it comes to black bears.
>> You're
>> more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely to be killed by
>> another hiker, and more likely to be killed by a bee than to be killed by
>> a
>> black bear.
>
>Which is why I carry a big-bore revolver when hiking in bee country.
<pausing between wiping tea off my monitor>
That really needed a drinks warning!!
Thanks for the chuckle...well, more like a full on spray of laughter!
Fredric L. Rice
>The Placebo describes influence from a higher power
LOL! That's just nuts. Have any evidence for this "higher power?"
Any at all? When you can find that, then you can start providing
evidence that the placebo effect is caused by this "power."
Placebo is simply a matter of chemistry and of altering one's own
behavior in response to an unfounded belief -- the sugar pill that
"cures" pain is effective about 11% of the time because the person
who believes it's real medicine alters hiw or her mood, behavior,
or activities, not because sugar cures pain -- or some pixie say
the person take sugar pills.
Fredric L. Rice
Irrelevant. If you're so afraid of the woods where you think you
have to carry a gun, you shouldn't be there in the first place,
seems to me.
>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>news:oaSdnV2nPMhmHRvV...@posted.sonicnet...
>> The type of mentality that brings a firearm into the forest in the
>> first place is _far_ more likely to be shot by his own firearm. And
>> that's even without the alcohol that usually accompanies such people.
---
Fredric L. Rice
>On Jul 21, 6:41=A0pm, "Ryan Robbins" <redbird...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Jim" <ques...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> You're more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely
>> to be killed by another hiker, and more likely to be killed by
>> a bee than to be killed by a black bear.
>Which is why I carry a big-bore revolver when hiking in bee country.
LOL! I asked a USFS Freddie how some kid had managed to get stung
by a bee on the inside of her mouth that day and she told me that
it was probably from an open can of soda the kid had left out and
then drunk from later.
So mouthwash should also be carried in the woods.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Larry Pate" <Larr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:7807-48...@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net...
>>I always change clothes that I cook in then put dirty cook clothes in a
>> plastic bag and place inside the Heavy duty LOCKED tool box on my
>> pickup.I know they can do a lot but they never have broke into the tool
>> box.
>> Food must be kept out of the sleep tent as you all know as well as
>> clothes that you cook in.Not much info here,just getting to know he gang
>> here,my best to all here in the news group,Larry
>Here is an attack report by a bear on a person using trails in Washington
>state. The person envolved had two dogs with him.
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20870622/
Yesterday: http://cbs5.com/local/bear.attack.woman.2.777034.html
The Kern County was a woman beaten up by a bear who had to undergo 10
hours of reconstructive surgery. The woman claims that "the bear
attacked us" -- she had two dogs with her -- and the news reports
all make the claim as well.
Pea Shooter
> "Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote:
>>Wrong again (or still, whichever...).
>>I don't drink.
>
> Irrelevant.
Of course it is....you brought it up.
> If you're so afraid of the woods where you think you
> have to carry a gun, you shouldn't be there in the first place,
> seems to me.
>
Not afraid of the woods. Precautions against attack is all. Seems there was
just another attack yesterday where a bear went through two large dogs to
get at a woman, and the bear tore her face off.
That's what you get for not being prepared.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>"Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote:
>>Wrong again (or still, whichever...).
>>I don't drink.
>
>Irrelevant. If you're so afraid of the woods where you think you
>have to carry a gun, you shouldn't be there in the first place,
>seems to me.
More bullshit from the loudmouthed parasite -- the limp-wristed,
gutless trash that has spent his sorry life hiding behing the very
people that he insults.
Ryan Robbins
"Pea Shooter" <jp...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:pl1ik.10678$Dw3....@newsfe04.iad...
So everyone should carry a pistol everywhere they go, the city and forest?
br...@pobox.com
Only if you know what you are doing with one and are willing to use
it. Most liberals are better off without one. Their ineptness and
hesitance makes them a danger to themselves and those around them.
Aldys
"Ryan Robbins" <redbi...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Billy the Kid.
Shoot 'em up!
Aldys
> "dale_peterson" <dale_p...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>"Larry Pate" <Larr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>news:7807-48...@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net...
>>>I always change clothes that I cook in then put dirty cook clothes in a
>>> plastic bag and place inside the Heavy duty LOCKED tool box on my
>>> pickup.I know they can do a lot but they never have broke into the tool
>>> box.
>>> Food must be kept out of the sleep tent as you all know as well as
>>> clothes that you cook in.Not much info here,just getting to know he gang
>>> here,my best to all here in the news group,Larry
>>Here is an attack report by a bear on a person using trails in Washington
>>state. The person envolved had two dogs with him.
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20870622/
>
> Yesterday: http://cbs5.com/local/bear.attack.woman.2.777034.html
>
> The Kern County was a woman beaten up by a bear who had to undergo 10
> hours of reconstructive surgery.
Why did the bear have to undergo 10 hours of surgery? Reconstructive or
not, that must have been one tough woman.
br...@pobox.com
wrote:
It's likely that only loony left wing trash believe those doddering
saws about the old west. Tombstone at its worst was FAR better than
ANY major city in th e US. As a matter of fact, it was better than any
major city at THAT time.
Pea Shooter
Said they should be prepared, but definitely the city. ;-)
"Ryan Robbins" <redbi...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
duh
> Irrelevant. If you're so afraid of the woods where you think you
> have to carry a gun, you shouldn't be there in the first place,
> seems to me.
You seem to forget, we originally came from the woods. It's like
saying polar bears don't belong on the ice because they're not
originally from there.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
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>> "Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>Wrong again (or still, whichever...).
>>>I don't drink.
>> Irrelevant.
>Of course it is....you brought it up.
LOL! Bear attacks aren't relevant to alcoholic drunkenest, idiot.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Pea Shooter" <jp...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> That's what you get for not being prepared.
LOL! That includes wrapping one's head in foil to avoid the alien
abductions -- and other unfounded fears.
>So everyone should carry a pistol everywhere they go, the city and forest?
It's outrageous. If there was _any_ significat danger of people
being attacked by bears in their average, every day walk through
or working in the woods, the USFS wouldn't have rules and regulations
specifically forbigging the carrying of firearms. Some USFS people
do however they follow other strict rules, must acquire a level of
certification, must undergo a bevy of vettings, and in any event are
_not_ armed to fight off bears. LOL!
Dogs attackig bears which people attempt to break apart constitute
a level of danger to humans, but humans who keep their pets on a leash
usually don't have anything to worry about.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Ryan Robbins" <redbi...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> So everyone should carry a pistol everywhere they go, the city and forest?
>Yup. Back to the good old days. Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday, Matt Dillon,
>Billy the Kid. Shoot 'em up!
Ya never can tell when the British are going to attack us again. }:-}
Fredric L. Rice
>On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:10:33 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>"Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>Wrong again (or still, whichever...).
>>>I don't drink.
>>Irrelevant. If you're so afraid of the woods where you think you
>>have to carry a gun, you shouldn't be there in the first place,
>>seems to me.
>More bullshit from the loudmouthed parasite -- the limp-wristed,
>gutless trash that has spent his sorry life hiding behing the very
>people that he insults.
Do you have a mental problem? A diagnosed problem? And I don't
mean just Christian Republicanism, I mean an actual paranoid
jealousy problem?
Fredric L. Rice
>On Jul 24, 8:10=A0am, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> Irrelevant. =A0If you're so afraid of the woods where you think you
>> have to carry a gun, you shouldn't be there in the first place,
>> seems to me.
>You seem to forget, we originally came from the woods. It's like
>saying polar bears don't belong on the ice because they're not
>originally from there.
Yeah, true. 'Course _some_ of us have evolved a bit since then. }:-}
It's kind of amusing. My brother used to deliver ships to people
who purchased them but didn't know how to navagate or sail or repair
problems along the way. Piracy in the Southern Hemisphere is an
actual, real threat that people have to arm themselves up for, and
in such instances, I'm all for arming up for self protection.
But bears? }:-} Might as well arm up against pixies.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>> Yesterday: http://cbs5.com/local/bear.attack.woman.2.777034.html
>> The Kern County was a woman beaten up by a bear who had to undergo 10
>> hours of reconstructive surgery.
>Why did the bear have to undergo 10 hours of surgery?
LOL! I apologize. I was raised and educated in California.
>Reconstructive or not, that must have been one tough woman.
Yep. There's been talk among forestry people about this wondering if
the woman gave the full story about what happened since it may have been
that the dogs were not on a leash and the dogs attacked or otherwise
ran up to the bear first. But from what I heard, the woman is a
tough and physically fit woman.
US Government people and volunteers are hunting the bear and they are
going to kill it after they match its bloodtype, fur, and perhaps even
DNA (seems expensive) against what they recovered off of the woman.
BOB
Seems that if the bear already underwent reconstructivr surgery, somebody
already has caught it. Why are they still hunting it? More of that
KKKalicornia mentality?
erbally assaults 2 little girls
>
Bill Larkins
Service land, they follow state laws on that. Here in Virginia, for
example, the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries
effectively sets the rules, subject of course to the Virginia State
Legislature.
The rules in Virginia are set based on concerns about poaching. But
carrying of a handgun by a person with a valid concealed handgun permit
is permitted, even outside the regular hunting seasons. I regularly do
carry a handgun (or at least have one in my truck, I don't actually
"carry" it normally) when picking up trash in the Virginia National
Forests, but not so much for bears as to discourage 2 legged varmints.
Considering the sheer volume of discarded beer cans and bottles I haul
out of the national forest every week, I'm generally a tad concerned
that I might encounter an aggressive drunk or two some day. So far I've
been lucky, no problems, but having a firearm available in an emergency
might discourage an aggressive drunk (I certainly wouldn't want to
actually need to fire a shot.)
d.s.
> The Placebo describes influence from a higher power, which you claim doesn't
> exist.
Oh give me a fucking break. This is an ageless response of "If I
can't understand it, it must be god." Which immediately sets up a
conflict between science and religion as science offers more
understanding. And sets up a conflict between those who do
understand, and those who don't.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>br...@pobox.com wrote:
>>On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:10:33 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>"Jim" <que...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>Wrong again (or still, whichever...).
>>>>I don't drink.
>>>Irrelevant. If you're so afraid of the woods where you think you
>>>have to carry a gun, you shouldn't be there in the first place,
>>>seems to me.
>>More bullshit from the loudmouthed parasite -- the limp-wristed,
>>gutless trash that has spent his sorry life hiding behing the very
>>people that he insults.
>
>Do you have a mental problem? A diagnosed problem? And I don't
>mean just Christian Republicanism, I mean an actual paranoid
>jealousy problem?
No. I just detest loudmouthed, lying vermin like yourself,
particularly when you attempt to pass off your cowardice as a virtue.
Try again, parasite.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>duh <nodamn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Jul 24, 8:10=A0am, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>> Irrelevant. =A0If you're so afraid of the woods where you think you
>>> have to carry a gun, you shouldn't be there in the first place,
>>> seems to me.
>>You seem to forget, we originally came from the woods. It's like
>>saying polar bears don't belong on the ice because they're not
>>originally from there.
>
>Yeah, true. 'Course _some_ of us have evolved a bit since then. }:-}
In your case, the term is "devolved".
>
>It's kind of amusing. My brother used to deliver ships to people
>who purchased them but didn't know how to navagate or sail or repair
>problems along the way. Piracy in the Southern Hemisphere is an
>actual, real threat that people have to arm themselves up for, and
>in such instances, I'm all for arming up for self protection.
Yeah. So long as it's someone else up front, parasite.
>
>But bears? }:-} Might as well arm up against pixies.
More bullshit from an armchair adventurer.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>"Aldys" <ever...@castle.cum> wrote:
>
>>"Ryan Robbins" <redbi...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> So everyone should carry a pistol everywhere they go, the city and forest?
>>Yup. Back to the good old days. Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday, Matt Dillon,
>>Billy the Kid. Shoot 'em up!
>
>Ya never can tell when the British are going to attack us again. }:-}
And the loudmouthed parasite is still trying to turn that broad yellow
stripe down his back into a virtue.
br...@pobox.com
Rice) wrote:
>"Aldys" <ever...@castle.cum> wrote:
>
>>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>>> Yesterday: http://cbs5.com/local/bear.attack.woman.2.777034.html
>>> The Kern County was a woman beaten up by a bear who had to undergo 10
>>> hours of reconstructive surgery.
>>Why did the bear have to undergo 10 hours of surgery?
>
>LOL! I apologize. I was raised and educated in California.
That explains the extreme self-esteem coupled with the complete lack
of cojones or sense of veracity.
Tom Biasi
"d.s." <nodamn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I am fully aware of the placebo effect as it relates to medicine. FLR seemed
to be encouraging me took look up the religious definition.
I referred to that. I didn't say they were my beliefs.
Tom
d.s.
> "d.s." <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Could you point me in the direction of this definition? I'm suddenly
aware of my knee jerking.
Tom Biasi
etudiant1
"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> Siskuwihane <Siskuw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Jul 21, 6:41=A0pm, "Ryan Robbins" <redbird...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "Jim" <ques...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
>>> You're more likely to be killed on the drive home, more likely
>>> to be killed by another hiker, and more likely to be killed by
>>> a bee than to be killed by a black bear.
>>Which is why I carry a big-bore revolver when hiking in bee country.
>
> LOL! I asked a USFS Freddie how some kid had managed to get stung
> by a bee on the inside of her mouth that day and she told me that
> it was probably from an open can of soda the kid had left out and
> then drunk from later.
>
> So mouthwash should also be carried in the woods.
steve podleski
"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message > The type of
mentality that brings a firearm into the forest in the
> first place is _far_ more likely to be shot by his own firearm. And
> that's even without the alcohol that usually accompanies such people.
Don't know why you keep spouting such anti-gun nonsense.
I don't carry a handgun during hiking because of weight. I may carry bear
spray when bears are active in case I get unlucky and meet an aggressive
black bear. I may carry a gun if I am alone on a hike with a trailhead near
a highway in case I meet two-legged predator. A couple on a hike has
recently been killed and the killer is still at large
Claude V. Lucas
I saw a bear in Cottonwood Canyon, Ut. a couple of weeks ago and
he showed me his best side...
http://www.sonic.net/~claudel/bear.jpg
The ranger at Escalante said he'd been working there 22 years
and had only seen two.
Don't let me interrupt the gun/no gun argument, though.