State parks blaze trails for wireless Internet service
Fred Goodwin, CMA
<http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2008-04-10-parks-wifi_N.htm>
April 10, 2008
By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY
Outdoor enthusiasts may dislike the idea of a laptop in every tent,
but the number of state parks with wireless Internet service is
growing rapidly.
State officials say park users want Wi-Fi, so parks are installing it
in campgrounds, lodges and visitors centers. Some states, including
Tennessee and Kansas, plan to equip every park with it.
According to a USA TODAY survey, 28 states have at least one park with
wireless Internet service. Officials who were surveyed say that of
3,208 state parks, 194, or 6%, have either free or pay-per-use Wi-Fi.
Often it is at a single location, such as a campground or a lodge
lobby.
A 50-state USA TODAY survey found that 28 states have installed Wi-Fi
in at least one of their parks.
ST #parks Wi-Fi Parks with Wi-Fi
========================================================================
AL 22 11 Blue Springs, Buck's Pocket, Cheaha, DeSoto,
Frank Jackson, Gulf, Lake Guntersville,
Lakepoint, Monte Sano, Oak Mountain, Joe Wheeler
AK 22 0
AR 52 6 Bull Shoals, Crowley’s Ridge, DeGray Lake, Lake
Dardanelle, Mount Magazine, Queen Wilhelmina
AZ 30 0
CA 278 50 See: <http://parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=23780>
CO 42 2 Chatfield, Cherry Creek
CT 106 0
DE 15 0
FL 161 0
GA 45 13 Amicalola Falls, General Coffee, George L.
Smith, George T. Bagby, Gordonia-Alatamaha,
Indian Springs, John Tanner, Little Ocmulgee,
Sapelo Island, Red Top Mountain, Skidaway Island,
Smithgall Woods, Unicoi
HI 54 0
IA 48 0
ID 20 2 Bruneau Dunes, Ponderosa
IL 44 5 Giant City, Pere Marquette, Starved Rock, Wayne
Fitzgerrell, White Pines
IN 24 7 Brown County, Clifty Falls, Fort Harrison,
McCormick's Creek, Pokagon, Spring Mill, Turkey
Run
KS 24 2 Elk City, Tuttle Creek
KY 53 17 Barren River Lake, Blue Licks Battlefield,
Buckhorn Lake, Carter Caves, Cumberland Falls,
Dale Hollow Lake, General Butler, Greenbo Lake,
Jenny Wiley, Kenlake, Kentucky Dam Village, Lake
Barkley, Lake Cumberland, Natural Bridge,
Pennyrile Forest, Pine Mountain, Rough River Dam
LA 20 4 Bayou Segnette, Fairview-Riverside,
Fontainebleau, Poverty Point Reservoir
MA 338 0
MD 49 0
ME 32 0
MI 98 5 Holland, Grand Haven, Ludington, Mears, Traverse
City
MN 66 0
MO 84 2 Bennett Spring, Roaring River
MS 25 0
MT 50 0
NC 32 1 Haw River
ND 15 2 Fort Abraham Lincoln, Lewis & Clark
NE 8 1 Eugene T. Mahoney
NH 72 0
NJ 42 0
NM 34 0
NV 12 0
NY 178 0
OH 74 17 Alum Creek, Burr Oak, Deer Creek, Dillon, East
Harbor, Geneva, Grand Lake St. Marys, Hueston
Woods, Jackson Lake, Maumee Bay, Mohican,
Mosquito Lake, Punderson, Pymatuning, Rocky Fork,
Salt Fork, Shawnee
OK 50 1 Sequoyah
OR 236 3 Harris Beach, South Beach, Valley of the Rogue
PA 117 0
RI 10 0
SC 39 4 Devils Fork, Hickory Knob, Myrtle Beach, Table
Rock
SD 12 0*
TN 54 6 Fall Creek Falls, Henry Horton, Montgomery Bell,
Natchez Trace, Paris Landing, Pickwick Landing
TX 84 16 Balmorhea, Bastrop, Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley,
Big Bend Ranch, Blanco, Cedar Hill, Davis
Mountains, Galveston Island, Goose Island,
Government Canyon, Hueco Tanks, Inks Lake,
McKinney Falls, Ray Roberts Lake, Seminole
Canyon, Tyler, Washington-on-the-Brazos
UT 42 1 Willard Bay
VT 52 2 Burton Island, Seyon Lodge
VA 34 3 Hungry Mother, Claytor Lake, Douthat
WA 120 1 Fort Worden
WV 35 10 Blackwater Falls, Cacapon, Canaan Valley, Chief
Logan, Hawks Nest, North Bend, Pipestem,
Stonewall, Twin Falls, Tygart Lake
WI 41 0
WY 13 0
* Wi-Fi is available in Oahe Downstream state recreation area
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Wayne
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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State parks blaze trails for wireless Internet service
<http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2008-04-10-parks-wifi_N.htm>
April 10, 2008
By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY
Outdoor enthusiasts may dislike the idea of a laptop in every tent,
but the number of state parks with wireless Internet service is
growing rapidly.
State officials say park users want Wi-Fi, so parks are installing it
in campgrounds, lodges and visitors centers. Some states, including
Tennessee and Kansas, plan to equip every park with it.
<snip>
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internet service at the park? Holy S*&^ !!!! Why even leave home?
Siskuwihane
> "Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgood...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:4a50e98a-e203-4d37...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
It's an attempt get Vandeman outside instead of cruising the net 24/7.
Mike Romain
That allows a bunch more people access. I camp and organize group Jeep
trips and a lot of folks in these days of high tech jobs have to be 'on
call' to be able to deal with whatever. To be able to do this while
camping with a laptop works. Some of the folks can only come if they
have cell coverage for this, otherwise they lose out.
I think it is a good idea in this day and age.
Mike
Dan Yemiola AI8O
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<SNIP>
WHY?!?!?!
The whole point of parks is to get away from day-to-day activities>
Wayne
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Leythos
> The whole point of parks is to get away from day-to-day activities
Some of us happen to run businesses that often can't afford to be
completely disconnected. I take my verizon access with me everywhere and
I don't camp where I can't get coverage. I also take a generator and
inverter and connect using my laptop and cell to customers networks when
they declare an outage.
If I could not provide support this way I would not be able to camp at
all.
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Siskuwihane
> "Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgood...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:4a50e98a-e203-4d37...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> State parks blaze trails for wireless Internet service
>
> <SNIP>
>
> WHY?!?!?!
>
> The whole point of parks is to get away from day-to-day activities
Looking up geocaches, doppler radar, edible plants, fish and game
laws, star charts, etc.
the Moderator
"Dan Yemiola AI8O" <D...@Yemiola.Net> wrote in message
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So don't bring your laptop or phone. Leave the dog at home too.
the Moderator
"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> IMHO...they need to get new jobs...or just stay at work.
One dimensional lifestyles for all.
Mike Romain
age?
Mike
the Moderator
> Why should their wives and kids have to pay the price for this high tech
> age?
I think the same argument was made when they started building roads for
automobiles.
Leonardo
You mean like cooking and cleaning?
If it wasn't for cell phones and wifi, many of us small biz and
self-employed types would never get to vacation in the outdoors at all.
L.
Wayne
a "get away from it all" vacation, and then spend the whole time on the
internet, or the cellfone. Excessive internet access is just as bad a habit
as excessive cellfone service.
Fred Goodwin, CMA
> If it wasn't for cell phones and wifi, many of us small biz and
> self-employed types would never get to vacation in the outdoors
> at all.
I had mixed-feelings about this when I first saw it on a blog (the
article is over two weeks old, but it was news to me). I think I come
down on the side of the park ranger (or whoever it was) who said the
increased connectivity may incent more people to get outside and visit
our state parks.
I understand those who say getting away from it all should mean
disconnecting, and in general, that's what I do, especially on weekend
campouts.
But like many others, if I'm gone a week or more, my company and my
boss expect me to be available, at least for emergencies. So having
connectivity makes it easier for me to take my vacations, but help out
if absolutely necessary (and admittedly, those cases have been rare in
my own situation).
mtes...@gmail.com
tent surfing for, well, something, it would be cool to have access to
things like topographical maps and an area's historical/geological/
natural information online. As long as they don't foment things that
will be distracting to other campers, I'm not opposed. If the guy in
the next site spends all day in his tent online, I could care less.
If they start putting in cable TV hookups at sites, then I'm going to
start getting angry.
Cheers
MRT
Eugene Miya
<mtes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>While I think there there will be those who will be locked up in their
>tent surfing for, well, something, it would be cool to have access to
>things like topographical maps and an area's historical/geological/
>natural information online. As long as they don't foment things that
>will be distracting to other campers, I'm not opposed.
One person in this cross post, probably from r.o.c., already cited a generator.
Not even citing a say photovoltaic array.
>If the guy in
>the next site spends all day in his tent online, I could care less.
>If they start putting in cable TV hookups at sites, then I'm going to
>start getting angry.
KOA likely started that over a decade ago.
--
Eugene Miya
Siskuwihane <Siskuw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 28, 7:40=A0pm, "Dan Yemiola AI8O" <D...@Yemiola.Net> wrote:
>> "Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgood...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:4a50e98a-e20=
>3-4d37-9a2f-...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> State parks blaze trails for wireless Internet service
>>
>>
>> The whole point of parks is to get away from day-to-day activities
>
>Looking up geocaches, doppler radar, edible plants, fish and game
>laws, star charts, etc.
Doppler radar? I used to work in the Radar Science and Applications
Group at JPL. I was just there last week. Very small community.
Star charts can practically be memorized. Got some nice photos this
past weekend.
--
Eugene Miya
1) Guys, husbands, these days know: the wife sets the rules. I am
watching as one of my friends strong arm her hubby (another friend) that
the family is going to Alaska this summer. Richard caved in. It's not
like the kids want to go to Alaska, but she figures better go now.
2) Women didn't have the right to vote when the road system started.
3) John Muir was in favor of roads in first National Parks. Other far
sighted Aussies saw the parking problems back in 1914. Even Muir made
mistakes.
--
cdw...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Of the parks I know on that list, several have facilities that bring
in a lot of business meetings and such to the "Lodge". Their
buildings are as much conference center/ resort as they are wilderness
resort.
The bottom line is that if you don't want the access, you don't need
to use it. I do like being able to sent photos home to the family and
such when I'm out, but then I also tend to camp out of my car or bike
when at one time I didn't call it camping if I could see a road.
>
>"Mike Romain" <rom...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> <snip>
Fredric L. Rice
>State parks blaze trails for wireless Internet service
><http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2008-04-10-parks-wifi_N.htm>
>but the number of state parks with wireless Internet service is
>growing rapidly.
That's the coming thing. In fact I was planning on adding open WiFi
at Crystal Lake Recreation Area in Angeles National Forest near the
open-air ampitheature ( http://www.crystallake.name/ ) once the
campgrounds open. The parking lot where WiFi will be going in is
within line-of-sight of Mt. Baldy, California, and a cell telephone
CDMA MODEM will provide 10 megabit Internet access to a WiFi router
which my group will provide for free.
The hope is that visitors to the campgrounds will check out the
Crystal Lake Recreation Area web site for information and, of course,
they will be able to access their email.
---
Fredric L. Rice
Yeah, I kind of hate the idea, too. We try to get kids out of the
stinking, filthy cities, away from the computer and away from the
XBox, and having Internet access across WiFi seems antithema to the
effort to get EXERCISE in to kids. But there are some good reasons
for granting open WiFi access at places.
At Crystal Lake it is hoped that the official web site will be used
by visitors to look up information -- on their iPhones, laptops,
Blackberries, whatever they bring up to the mountain with them.
---
stevejb68
yet. Hopefully we will stay that way.
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Andrew
>
> Yeah, I kind of hate the idea, too. We try to get kids out of the
> stinking, filthy cities, away from the computer and away from the
> XBox, and having Internet access across WiFi seems antithema to the
> effort to get EXERCISE in to kids. But there are some good reasons
> for granting open WiFi access at places.
>
> At Crystal Lake it is hoped that the official web site will be used
> by visitors to look up information -- on their iPhones, laptops,
> Blackberries, whatever they bring up to the mountain with them.
>
> ---
>
I love the idea!
Many times when camping in a distant park I've
often wished for wifi, even if it was just a small
area around the office. I've wanted to use it to
find more information about things to do and see
in the area (in addition to what I've already
collected for the trip) and to do some extra
reading about some of the sights I have seen in
the area.
The pamphlets and brochures at tourist info booths
are fine but often are more about promotion than
information.
Andrew
Fredric L. Rice
>Fredric L. Rice wrote:
>> At Crystal Lake it is hoped that the official web site will be used
>> by visitors to look up information -- on their iPhones, laptops,
>> Blackberries, whatever they bring up to the mountain with them.
>if it was just a small area around the office. I've wanted to use it to
>find more information about things to do and see in the area (in addition
>to what I've already collected for the trip) and to do some extra reading
>about some of the sights I have seen in the area.
>The pamphlets and brochures at tourist info booths are fine but often are
>more about promotion than information.
I suppose that the service could be abused. }:-} The GPS coordinates
of every hiking and every nature trail is provided on the Crystal Lake
web site along with the GPS coordinates of other things of interest --
streams, ancient oak trees over 400 years old, safety hazards. But in
Los Angeles County, I could expect that the WiFi will be abused.
---
y_p_w
> Fredric L. Rice wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I kind of hate the idea, too. We try to get kids out of the
> > stinking, filthy cities, away from the computer and away from the
> > XBox, and having Internet access across WiFi seems antithema to the
> > effort to get EXERCISE in to kids. But there are some good reasons
> > for granting open WiFi access at places.
>
> > At Crystal Lake it is hoped that the official web site will be used
> > by visitors to look up information -- on their iPhones, laptops,
> > Blackberries, whatever they bring up to the mountain with them.
>
> > ---
>
> I love the idea!
>
> Many times when camping in a distant park I've
> often wished for wifi, even if it was just a small
> area around the office. I've wanted to use it to
> find more information about things to do and see
> in the area (in addition to what I've already
> collected for the trip) and to do some extra
> reading about some of the sights I have seen in
> the area.
Always helpful. Might even be useful to leave a plan with friends or
family, and to check in when you reach certain destinations. It's
great for checking in on stuff.
> The pamphlets and brochures at tourist info booths
> are fine but often are more about promotion than
> information.
Multiple information sources are very nice.
I've also changed my plans from time to time. It's a lot easier to do
this online than on the phone. I've tried booking a room with the
Best Western main number using a pay phone near Sequoia NP. The line
quality was abysmal, and the operator got my name wrong. However -
the reservation went just fine, and my credit card number was correct.
The Jackson Lake Lodge at Grand Teton NP has free wireless internet.
It was really slow though. I don't think they had anything more than
a 1.5 Mbit/sec main line, and there were dozens of people connected.
That kind of connection is OK if two or three poeple are connected.
Galen Hekhuis
various channels with a wireless camera my wifi network goes down at
home. I've usually got 5-6 computers on the network and 3-4 IP
cameras. When I run the 2.4 gig wireless analog cameras however, the
entire wifi system goes down, and I am unable to connect (to anything)
until power is removed from the offending wireless (analog) camera.
Galen Hekhuis ghek...@earthlink.net
Fredric L. Rice
>I've also changed my plans from time to time. It's a lot easier to do
>this online than on the phone. I've tried booking a room with the
>Best Western main number using a pay phone near Sequoia NP. The line
>quality was abysmal, and the operator got my name wrong. However -
>the reservation went just fine, and my credit card number was correct.
Hum, that's another good reason to have WiFi to Internet. There is a
dead pay telephone at Crystal Lake but the Verizon people will not
replace it because it loses money and pay telephones are being phased
out. Cell telephones don't work because the campgrounds are in a basin
and the only cell tower line-of-sight is a long, long ways off -- too
far for a hand held cell telephone. With WiFi utilizing a building-
mounted CDMA antenna, people could make reservations that way since
the telephone won't be repaired.
---
Fredric L. Rice
>When I run the 2.4 gig wireless analog cameras however, the
>entire wifi system goes down, and I am unable to connect (to anything)
>until power is removed from the offending wireless (analog) camera.
Yikes, I would bet that the problem is the camera stubornly insists
on which channels to transmit on and is refusing to cooperate with
the WiFi router in renegotiating the channels, but I would only
expect that kind of behavior on a camera that is like first generation
wireless.
---
new jersey
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Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
That is because your Wireless Cameras use the same spectrum as the Wifi,
but instead of Spread Spectrum modulation, the Camera uses either AM or
FM, and it blocks the WiFi Access Points Receiver. Spread Spectrum is
designed to move the Frequency around inside the Allocated Bandwidth,
so as to not run into another device using the same bandwidth, where
AM or FM just take up the whole thing, all at once.
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