Burley's Taiko, Canto in SWB mode.
Edward Ing
I am considering the Taiko and Canto and I would probably use it most of the time in SWB mode eventhough there are designed to be LWB's because of manuerverability, its being able to fit on my Thule's
and because I would like to fit it on rollers.What attracts me to the Taiko conversion is that the wheelbase is 40 inches in the SWB mode?
But what I am wondering is whether this feature is just for show or whether the SWB configuration actually works more or less like bike designed as SWB? Is there a Burley rep out there who can answer
this.
My first guess is that the passive suspension will no longer be much of a suspension since the length between load bearing points has been reduce considerable.
Would this bike ride like the Hepcat/Django, I wonder?
DrRecumbnt
and the bike is optimized as a LWB.
Bob Bryant
http://www.recumbentcyclistnews.com
BJ Janapolis
"choppy" in the short wheelbase configuration. The chain stays do a
nice job of flexing, but sharp bumps can be a little harsh. The 1.5 &
1.75 tires help a lot too. If it had 1" tires it would probably be
very rough.
Jeff Wills
> I have yet to purchase my first recumbent. I am looking and SWB an am considering Burley's or Bacchetta Giro (though it doesn't seem that anyone has got one to ride yet.) perhaps others.
I rode the Giro and Strada at Angle Lake Cyclery in Seattle over the
weekend. Bearing in mind that I was just doing circles in the parking
lot, wearing jeans and with minimal fine tuning to the position
adjustments, here's a review:
These are mighty impressive bikes. The Giro felt very neutral as soon
as I started off. The handlebar offers several hand positions,
adjusts every which way, and is wide enough to make moderate turns at
slow speeds without hitting the legs. Slow, pedaling circles were
effortless.
The Strada (dual 26" wheel) model felt odd. At slow speeds wheel flop
was noticeable, almost as if the head angle were too laid back for the
frame design. However, this bike had been customized with "T"
handlebars, so tiller effect may have been affecting the steering. In
addition, this might go away with higher speeds, but I didn't have the
opportunity to try it on the open road.
The seat adjustment on both bikes is very slick- a single QR is all it
takes to move the seat fore and aft. The angle adjustment is by
struts and pins, making fine-tuning a no-tools proposition. The seat
has a pronounced forward curve at the shoulders which, because of my
long torso, struck me across the shoulder blades. If I were to buy
one of these bikes, I'd probably ask for a taller seat. (I don't know
if one is available.)
I'd love to put more miles on these bikes- but I have too many
unfinished projects as it is!!
Jeff
Todd Bischoff Jr.
FYI the Taiko has a slightly higher seat height and a slightly lower
BB height (in the SWB mode) when compared to the Hepcat. This makes it
a more comfortable ride for most people. It is only slightly heavier
than the HepCat when in SWB mode because the linkage and extra head
tube, and A-head set is gone. We put equal time into optimizing the
head angle in both LWB and SWB modes. It rides and handles close, if
not better than the HepCat (a couple of other non-engineers at Burley
concur) though the "passive suspension" is pretty much the same as the
Small/Medium Hepcat. You should also factor in seat back lean as a way
to distribute and support body weight. The further back the seat
leans, the better suspension you will get from it. I enjoy the ride of
the bike in both configurations, although I prefer the sportier
handling of the SWB setup.
todd.
Bill Webster
bentbiker
competition to the vrex/barcroft/bachetta. now, how about a little
wider/cushier seat base, ala RANS, and a retrofit USS set up, it would
be ever sweeter : '].
Jeff Wills
discussion was worthy of sharing. Here it is in reverse sequence
(latest message is on top). Bill- I hope this is OK with you:
:::::::::::::::::::::
True, but- a more neutral-steering bike would not experience flop to
as great a degree so the rider would not have to play pitch-and-catch
with the steering inputs.
It's a sequence: the rider steers into a corner and then the "flop"
increases the steering angle beyond the rider's input. With a longer
tiller, this angle increases that much more quickly. At these speeds,
steering forces are so light that it's very easy for "flop" to take
steering control from the rider.
Jeff
>Jeff,
>
>I thought that less tiller might have made it worse because you would
have
>less mechanical advantage and it would take more force on the
handlebars to
>resist the flop.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill
>
>At 02:59 PM 3/11/02 -0800, you wrote:
>>It's when you initiate a turn and the wheel continues to "fall into"
the
>>turn. In
>>order to compensate, you need to "catch" the steering before it goes
too
>>far. It's
>>more of a slow speed issue- at higher speeds (6+ mph), steering
angles are
>>less and
>>there's less chance to cause this. More tiller makes this more
noticable
>>because
>>the "flopping" action causes greater movement at the handlebar.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
Bill Webster <ca...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<3C8D3614...@mchsi.com>...
William Mc Hale
: great bikes Todd, i am very impressed with the django/hepcat as
: competition to the vrex/barcroft/bachetta. now, how about a little
: wider/cushier seat base, ala RANS, and a retrofit USS set up, it would
: be ever sweeter : '].
Call me a heretic, but I actually like the Corbin seat on the Burley's
better than I like the Rans Seat... though it would be nice if the Rans
Bag fit the back of the Burley seat better (though I can get it on, it
does take some effort).
Have yet to try the Barcroft or the Bachetta, but the Django and the
Hepcat rock, I prefer them to the V-Rex, but I think that is part my
preference for the seat and also I think there was less heel strike on the
Burley's... not that I would refuse a V-Rex if someone wanted to give it
to me : ).
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starcher
I am ready to purchase my recumbent this month. It will either be a
Burley Canton or a Vision R-40 MWB. Both are convertible from mwb to
swb bust only the Vision gives me the option of USS. I much prefer
the USS on the Vision but prefer the Burley otherwise especially the
seat and frame design. If they offer a USS or an retrofit for USS
will be made I will choose to give my money to Burley and not Vision.
I really want to buy the Canto but I want USS option. Any advice or
any word on if this is being developed or planned for the very near
future.
Randy
to...@burley.com (Todd Bischoff Jr.) wrote in message news:<9a3a6679.02031...@posting.google.com>...
Edward Ing
I hope every other manufacture is keeping up.
It will be great for us end user. But I bet the manufacturers are stressed.
I hope brand new Bacchetta operation has the production facilities to match.
If not maybe you should offer your IPO here to the newsgroup first.--I am interested as long as there are no Enron style tricks up your sleeve.
William Mc Hale
: It is good that Burley is turning out improved designs so frequently.
: I hope every other manufacture is keeping up.
: It will be great for us end user. But I bet the manufacturers are stressed.
Well I don't think that the more established manufacturers need to turn
out new designs quite as frequently as Burley does; guys like Rans, Vision
and Easy Racers already have fairly complete lines. This is I believe
only Burley's third year in the recumbent market, and at least until the
Taiko/Canto came out, their range was limited to a great SWB
(Hepcat/Django) and a respectable CLWB/SWB convertable that was better
known for stability and a good ride than performance. The Taiko/Canto
should definitely offer alot of what the Limbo offers, but with decidedly
better performance.
Now, I wonder what is next for them.... a tandem or a low racer : ).
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William Mc Hale
: "Now, I wonder what is next for them....a tandem or a lowracer" I say
: USS USS USS, sorry to much darn olympics, USA USA USA : "]
Would that even need to be a new model? They might be able to develop USS
steering for their existing models.
Personally I prefer OSS for 2 wheelers, but love USS for trikes : ).
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Bill
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