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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 8:55:45 PM4/15/12
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Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
weak. Is everybody willing participant?
Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
opinion.
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ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
weak. Is everybody willing participant?
Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
opinion.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_NightoftheLivingDead.jpg
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 1:40:23 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 12:23 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 7:03 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> proximity" (which is not necessarily a problem if everybody involved
> is situationally aware, in control, and exercising due care),
> something really wrong there.
Narrow sidewalks make them mean the same. I don't want to ring the
bell every time I pass a pedestrian and any involuntary movement is a
near miss.
>
> > > Today I almost
> > > hit a child that must have been daydreaming.
>
> People daydream - kids especially. Anticipate it.
That's why they should be taught this world is a dangerous jungle. ;)
> impact of your potential victims. However, ederly people can warrant
> some extra care since there are considerations such as alertness,
> response time, agility, etc. - not to mention general respect for your
> elders.
But they never say, "Hey, these cyclists deserve their own space so I
can have my own," and make noise with the local government. The other
day I reported to Target that they needed a pedestrian crossing for
people getting off the bus, and they told me that the seniors had to
make noise about it --and they haven't.
>
> > > Couples
> > > blocking my way patiently step aside.
>
> It is nice to see mutual cooperation and sharing the path, but it
> blows me away how many people are loath to go single file for
> anything.
We cyclists are forced to go single file on the road. It's not fair.
>
> > > Some give me a dirty look. I
> > > wished they understood I don't want to be there.
>
> Deference and pleasant courtesy go a long way, but some people are
> going to scowl at you no matter what.
True, there's no sense of empathy.
>
> > > Cars, on the other
> > > hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > > in a bubble.
>
> I think that's probably illegal, but as you say, the law of the jungle
> prevails (or, as I say, the laws of physics trump), and ultimately you
> have to watch out for yourself.
If you think about it, drivers get the ball rolling and it falls on
the weakest members, mainly the senior citizens who walk on sidewalks.
They don't want us on the road, so we take refuge on the sidewalk.
>
> > > We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > > weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there an option not to?
Oh well, make noise so they create space for us. I bet you the mother
of our elected officials doesn't walk out there.
>
> > >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
>
> > Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> > at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> > not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> > bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> > using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> > abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles.
>
> I agree. Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, but here in the legal
> jurisdiction where I live and ride, bikes are allowed on sidewalks,
> except where specifically prohibited, which is usually downtown areas
> where pedestrian traffic is greatest. In most other areas there is
> almost never any pedestrian traffic, and sidewalks can be a good
> option for the bicyclist.
Except at every driveway and intersection. Cars are still a problem.
>
> > That is
> > because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
> > behaviour of the vehicles sharing it...
>
> There are rules and laws governing bikes and their interaction with
> pedestrians on sidewalks here.
Rule #1: "TRY NOT HIT THEM!"
>
> > ... such as which traffic shall
> > travel in which direction and when whereas on the sidewalk there is no
> > rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
> > the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
> > direction wise.
>
> Thank you. I was quite flabbergasted to find myself trying to
> convince people of this fact here before.
>
> > On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
> > varying degrees of mobility and awareness.
>
> Situational awareness, perceptive consideration, due care, deference
> and courtesy.
Drivers are beasts compared to pedestrians, who are very nice
people. ;)
>
> > If a bicyclist does elect
> > to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
> > to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
> > who steps out of a doorway.
>
> Oh, absolutely. Actually, bicyclists should probably be walking their
> bike anywhere there are doorways opening onto the sidewalk. That
> nearer the curb thing is good courtesy, too - unless the other person
> obviously wants that line. Nearer the street means you can bail off
> the sidewalk, and it's where the gentleman is supposed to be to catch
> any flak from the street.
>
> > There have been deaths of pedestrians who
> > were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
> > The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
>
> That is so sad - and so unnecessary.
It's mystery why it keeps happening.
>
> (I understand from Frank's "data" that there have been deaths of
> people falling out of bed, too.)
Well, I have my mattress on the floor, just in case.
> On Apr 15, 7:03 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing.
>
> That's alarming. Unless by "near misses" you mean "passed in close
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing.
>
> proximity" (which is not necessarily a problem if everybody involved
> is situationally aware, in control, and exercising due care),
> something really wrong there.
Narrow sidewalks make them mean the same. I don't want to ring the
bell every time I pass a pedestrian and any involuntary movement is a
near miss.
>
> > > Today I almost
> > > hit a child that must have been daydreaming.
>
That's why they should be taught this world is a dangerous jungle. ;)
>
> > > Elderly people really
> > > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone.
>
> You really shouldn't even be thinking of the relative fragility on
> > > Elderly people really
> > > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone.
>
> impact of your potential victims. However, ederly people can warrant
> some extra care since there are considerations such as alertness,
> response time, agility, etc. - not to mention general respect for your
> elders.
But they never say, "Hey, these cyclists deserve their own space so I
can have my own," and make noise with the local government. The other
day I reported to Target that they needed a pedestrian crossing for
people getting off the bus, and they told me that the seniors had to
make noise about it --and they haven't.
>
> > > Couples
> > > blocking my way patiently step aside.
>
> blows me away how many people are loath to go single file for
> anything.
We cyclists are forced to go single file on the road. It's not fair.
>
> > > Some give me a dirty look. I
> > > wished they understood I don't want to be there.
>
> going to scowl at you no matter what.
True, there's no sense of empathy.
>
> > > Cars, on the other
> > > hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > > in a bubble.
>
> prevails (or, as I say, the laws of physics trump), and ultimately you
> have to watch out for yourself.
If you think about it, drivers get the ball rolling and it falls on
the weakest members, mainly the senior citizens who walk on sidewalks.
They don't want us on the road, so we take refuge on the sidewalk.
>
> > > We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > > weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
Oh well, make noise so they create space for us. I bet you the mother
of our elected officials doesn't walk out there.
>
>
>
> > > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > > opinion.
>
> It's all out there.
>
>
> > > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > > opinion.
>
>
> > >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
>
> > Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> > at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> > not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> > bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> > using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> > abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles.
>
> I agree. Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, but here in the legal
> jurisdiction where I live and ride, bikes are allowed on sidewalks,
> except where specifically prohibited, which is usually downtown areas
> where pedestrian traffic is greatest. In most other areas there is
> almost never any pedestrian traffic, and sidewalks can be a good
> option for the bicyclist.
Except at every driveway and intersection. Cars are still a problem.
>
> > That is
> > because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
> > behaviour of the vehicles sharing it...
>
> There are rules and laws governing bikes and their interaction with
> pedestrians on sidewalks here.
Rule #1: "TRY NOT HIT THEM!"
>
> > ... such as which traffic shall
> > travel in which direction and when whereas on the sidewalk there is no
> > rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
> > the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
> > direction wise.
>
> Thank you. I was quite flabbergasted to find myself trying to
> convince people of this fact here before.
>
> > On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
> > varying degrees of mobility and awareness.
>
> Situational awareness, perceptive consideration, due care, deference
> and courtesy.
Drivers are beasts compared to pedestrians, who are very nice
people. ;)
>
> > If a bicyclist does elect
> > to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
> > to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
> > who steps out of a doorway.
>
> Oh, absolutely. Actually, bicyclists should probably be walking their
> bike anywhere there are doorways opening onto the sidewalk. That
> nearer the curb thing is good courtesy, too - unless the other person
> obviously wants that line. Nearer the street means you can bail off
> the sidewalk, and it's where the gentleman is supposed to be to catch
> any flak from the street.
>
> > There have been deaths of pedestrians who
> > were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
> > The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
>
> That is so sad - and so unnecessary.
It's mystery why it keeps happening.
>
> (I understand from Frank's "data" that there have been deaths of
> people falling out of bed, too.)
Well, I have my mattress on the floor, just in case.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 1:08:58 PM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 11:25 am, Conscience <obama...@fraud.gov> wrote:
> On 2012-04-15 22:02:43 -0700, little turtle <@stream.il> said:
> >> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> >> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> >> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> >> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
>
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>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> Man,
>
>
>
> > I don't know what you are smoking but I'd give it up before your brain
> > falls out.
>
> We certainly know who has the issue here. Darwinism will eventually win-out.
You are wrong. The worms eventually win over the best predators.
But can we learn our lessons or can we blame it all on Darwinism?
On Apr 16, 11:06 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
>
> EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
>
> Disregarding for the moment necessity for carrying an automatic weapon, Miamuh codes are based on profit not utility giving some really wierd building areas once inhab by retirees now slums.
But good PR is part of the game:
http://www.decobike.com/
Girls in bikini, hot weather and bicycles make good PR, but reality is
different. Maybe the tourists don't try to make sense out of it, or
maybe they'll never come back. It can be heaven, it can be hell. Maybe
"safari on bike" could be a tourist attraction. Animals abound and
they are loose.
Next door is Ft Lauderdale which is has the dubious record of most
pedestrians killed in the nation. Florida itself is a land of great
danger for pedestrians, but they are not as notoriously popular as
Zimmerman and Martin. This kid never had a chance:
"Christopher Cepeda was only fourteen years old when he and four of
his friends were walking home after playing basketball. He was killed
while crossing U.S. 27, a major four-lane highway with a wide grassy
median and a posted speed limit of 65 miles per hour. As Mr. Cepeda
and his friends waited in the median to cross the road, Denise
Sottilaro suddenly changed lanes and, although she claimed to have hit
her brakes, slammed into the boy. He later died from the injuries."
The boy is said to have been texting, but I don't see that weakens the
case against the driver. Why is she changing lane while pedestrians
are around?
Moral of the story:
"Lastly, this case wrongful death case, again, also highlights the
dangers of texting while driving or crossing the road, and we urge
everyone to simply put their smart phones away until they are safely
able to focus on what they are doing."
http://www.floridainjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/02/police-are-usually-called-to.html
> On 2012-04-15 22:02:43 -0700, little turtle <@stream.il> said:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/15/2012 9:00 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> >> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> >> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> >> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> >> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> >> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/15/2012 9:00 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> >> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> >> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> >> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> >> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> >> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> >> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> >> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> >> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> >> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> >> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> >> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
>
> >> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> >> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> >> opinion.
>
> >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
> >> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> >> opinion.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> Man,
>
>
>
> > I don't know what you are smoking but I'd give it up before your brain
> > falls out.
>
> We certainly know who has the issue here. Darwinism will eventually win-out.
You are wrong. The worms eventually win over the best predators.
But can we learn our lessons or can we blame it all on Darwinism?
On Apr 16, 11:06 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
>
> EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
>
> Disregarding for the moment necessity for carrying an automatic weapon, Miamuh codes are based on profit not utility giving some really wierd building areas once inhab by retirees now slums.
But good PR is part of the game:
http://www.decobike.com/
Girls in bikini, hot weather and bicycles make good PR, but reality is
different. Maybe the tourists don't try to make sense out of it, or
maybe they'll never come back. It can be heaven, it can be hell. Maybe
"safari on bike" could be a tourist attraction. Animals abound and
they are loose.
Next door is Ft Lauderdale which is has the dubious record of most
pedestrians killed in the nation. Florida itself is a land of great
danger for pedestrians, but they are not as notoriously popular as
Zimmerman and Martin. This kid never had a chance:
"Christopher Cepeda was only fourteen years old when he and four of
his friends were walking home after playing basketball. He was killed
while crossing U.S. 27, a major four-lane highway with a wide grassy
median and a posted speed limit of 65 miles per hour. As Mr. Cepeda
and his friends waited in the median to cross the road, Denise
Sottilaro suddenly changed lanes and, although she claimed to have hit
her brakes, slammed into the boy. He later died from the injuries."
The boy is said to have been texting, but I don't see that weakens the
case against the driver. Why is she changing lane while pedestrians
are around?
Moral of the story:
"Lastly, this case wrongful death case, again, also highlights the
dangers of texting while driving or crossing the road, and we urge
everyone to simply put their smart phones away until they are safely
able to focus on what they are doing."
http://www.floridainjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/02/police-are-usually-called-to.html
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2012, 9:55:53 AM4/19/12
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Incidents from the wild side while riding bike on sidewalk:
My girlfriend almost hit two cyclists while driving out of this blind
driveway, but they were riding fast, against traffic. Stupidity of the
system that forces people to ride in this area is to blame. We must
ride there all the time.
I was riding on sidewalk, but car was blocking sidewalk and I rode
momentarily on the road. Driver of little Toyota blasts the horn
unconcerned about my predicament. I don't know why idiots choose
Toyotas.
My favorite: Lady coming out of Christian school with kid blocks
sidewalk unconcerned about me waiting for her to move. It must have
being like 3 minutes and she didn't make an effort to apologize. Am I
a monkey? Where's her Christian faith?
When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk? Some
of us are selfish predators that deserve punishment, but the system
puts us in direct conflict. WE SHOULD NOT RIDE ON SIDEWALK.
My girlfriend almost hit two cyclists while driving out of this blind
driveway, but they were riding fast, against traffic. Stupidity of the
system that forces people to ride in this area is to blame. We must
ride there all the time.
I was riding on sidewalk, but car was blocking sidewalk and I rode
momentarily on the road. Driver of little Toyota blasts the horn
unconcerned about my predicament. I don't know why idiots choose
Toyotas.
My favorite: Lady coming out of Christian school with kid blocks
sidewalk unconcerned about me waiting for her to move. It must have
being like 3 minutes and she didn't make an effort to apologize. Am I
a monkey? Where's her Christian faith?
When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk? Some
of us are selfish predators that deserve punishment, but the system
puts us in direct conflict. WE SHOULD NOT RIDE ON SIDEWALK.
dgk
Apr 20, 2012, 9:32:13 AM4/20/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
It depends on the situation, no? I commute 25 miles per day in New
York City. I almost never ride on the sidewalk. But sometimes doing so
on the very wide sidewalk on a highway overpass is better than riding
with the traffic. Not many pedestrians, many cars.
However down in Florida, many roads have no safe place for bikes but
lots of sidewalks with no one on them. Those look an awful lot like
bike lanes to me.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
York City. I almost never ride on the sidewalk. But sometimes doing so
on the very wide sidewalk on a highway overpass is better than riding
with the traffic. Not many pedestrians, many cars.
However down in Florida, many roads have no safe place for bikes but
lots of sidewalks with no one on them. Those look an awful lot like
bike lanes to me.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 22, 2012, 2:28:39 PM4/22/12
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(This old lady rides a trike on sidewalk in San Diego. I guess we are
all trying to survive in a hostile environment)
On Apr 19, 10:13 am, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:55:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 17, 1:26 pm, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:29:42 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 17, 12:04 am, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:26:04 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Apr 16, 3:27 pm, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:16:43 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> >> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Apr 16, 1:49 am, Ronko <ronkreu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> In article <4c3671a6-6eee-450b-a3b1-
> >> >> >> >> 56a7c7d99...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> >> nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com says...
>
> >> >> >> >> >Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> >> >> >> >> >ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> >> >> >> >> >sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> >> >> >> >> >that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> >> >> >> >> >with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> >> >> >> >> >hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> >> >> >> >> >worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> >> >> >> >> >blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> >> >> >> >> >wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> >> >> >> >> >hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> >> >> >> >> >in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> >> >> >> >> >weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> >> >> >> >> >Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> >> >> >> >> >walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> >> >> >> >> >opinion.
>
> >> >> >> >> >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofth
> >> >> >> >> eLivingDead.jpg
> >> >> >> >> >Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> >> >> >> >> >ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> >> >> >> >> >sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> >> >> >> >> >that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> >> >> >> >> >with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> >> >> >> >> >hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> >> >> >> >> >worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> >> >> >> >> >blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> >> >> >> >> >wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> >> >> >> >> >hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> >> >> >> >> >in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> >> >> >> >> >weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> >> >> >> >> >Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> >> >> >> >> >walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> >> >> >> >> >opinion.
>
> >> >> >> >> >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofth
>
> >> >> >> >> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> >> >> >> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >> >> >> >> In some cities in California, such as Berkeley, there are notices posted on
> >> >> >> >> some busy downtown sidewalks that bikes must be walked. This is merely
> >> >> >> >> common sense. Regardless of local or state law, pedestrians in my mind
> >> >> >> >> have the right-of-way and should be given courtesy when riding a bike on a
> >> >> >> >> sidewalk. That's the way I approach it when I ride on a sidewalk, yeild to
> >> >> >> >> all.
>
> >> >> >> >I don't like to yield to dogs, who are usually on a long leash. Around
> >> >> >> >here there's a wealthy community that banned bicycles even though
> >> >> >> >nobody is on sidewalk. But they walk dogs and that's not very nice, I
> >> >> >> >think. Dogs shouldn't be on sidewalks.
>
> >> >> >> I ride my adult trike on the sidewalks in my neighborhood and I always
> >> >> >> give way to a pedestrian or a dog. I stop and allow them to get by
> >> >> >> me. I am not interested in speed -- I ride slowly. I am no danger to
> >> >> >> anyone. Sometimes a pedestrian steps out of the way before I can
> >> >> >> stop -- I say thank you. I am very old -- age 82 and people can see
> >> >> >> that. Many are interested in my adult trike and ask me questions
> >> >> >> about it. It has an electric motor. There are sloping curbs on the
> >> >> >> sidewalks at intersections -- bikers ride on the sidewalks in my
> >> >> >> area and I have never seen one speeding. Lots of people walk their
> >> >> >> dogs on the sidewalks and I have no problem with that. Live and let
> >> >> >> live and get along with others by courtesy and not making judgments.
> >> >> >> Works out well for me.
>
> >> >> >On a trike you can be much slower without falling off and you don't
> >> >> >mind waiting for pedestrians and dogs. You become a true "pedestrian
> >> >> >on wheels." Time for me to go back to it and let the world fall apart.
>
> >> >> It has been so many years since I rode a two wheeler I had forgotten
> >> >> that you had to keep moving while on a three wheel trike you can slow
> >> >> to a crawl. And if you stop you need not get off.
>
> >> >> Last time I owned a two wheel bike I lived in New York City and lived
> >> >> close to Central Park, and then later in Brooklyn lived close to a
> >> >> large park there. So I could ride on bike paths.
>
> >> >> Now that I am age 82 a three wheel trike is much safer for me. I do
> >> >> have spinal stenosis that makes walking much painful. On the trike
> >> >> one bends forward and no pain. Without the trike I would not be able
> >> >> to get much exercise. I love my trike. I am not in a hurry to get
> >> >> anyplace. Luckily there are places to chain it at groceries stores,
> >> >> the library, etc. Sometimes when there are no bike racks a palm
> >> >> tree trunk works well. Palm trees are a dime a dozen in my area
> >> >> of San Diego which is called Pacific Beach.
>
> >> >Maybe I should check out that area. ;)
>
> >> Well, it is Southern California and nice weather for bike riding.
> >> There are bike paths along the ocean. If you leave the Pacific
> >> Beach area, however, you run into the freeways which surround
> >> the neighborhood on 3 sides with the ocean on the 4th side.
> >> I do not ride in traffic. Bikers who do are hit by cars -- not an
> >> uncommon occurence.
>
> >> >What kind of trike you got? How many speeds?
>
> >> The bike itself is not an electric trike -- it is a Tristar
> >> and only one speed but that doesn't matter since I
> >> had an electric motor put on it. There is a guy who
> >> specializes in converting bikes to electric. He does a fine
> >> job and if there are any problems comes and gets the trike
> >> and fixes them.
>
> >> The big basket over the two rear wheels hold a lot of
> >> groceries -- three big paper bags filled to the brim.
>
> >Thank you, Rita. It sounds like Paradise to me, but do you have a long
> >path by the beach?
>
> Yes, there is a paved path for a couple of miles along the ocean in
> my area. There is a map you can get of how bike paths connect
> throughout the city. You may have to ride on streets for a
> distance to get from one bike path to another. And sometimes
> it is quite roundabout to avoid the freeways. I ride only in my
> own area where I don't have to get out on any streets. Younger
> riders than me don't mind getting into some traffic. I avoid it.
>
> Here is a photo of a bike path along the ocean close to my home:
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/PacificBeach...
It sounds like you can have space for a slow bike or trike, but you
would run into trouble elsewhere.
Just coming here now. I'm walking my slow bike across the street and
the lady driver is blocking my path and looking the other way. If I
take take a step in front of her, I'm taking a gamble. So I knock on
her hood to make sure she sees me and proceed. Then she calls me back,
"Sir, why you do that?" I go, "Well see, I only got this one life and
I want to make sure you see me. You want to call the police?" The
argument goes back and forth and she says as partying shot, "Well, I
hope you have a nice day, sir." The irony is that I need it with
drivers like hers.
We have many problems presented in the above paragraph:
1- Drivers are routinely blocking pedestrian crossings,
2- They are incapable of being polite and saying "sorry,"
3- They are looking for trouble.
But I'm not looking for trouble. I'm trying to have to a nice day with
my new chihuahua. His name is Tequila.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EfL9MSwPQaA/TB80vV7gFaI/AAAAAAAAAY0/bN2b7Lqv568/s1600/chihuahua.JPG
Alan Holmes
Apr 23, 2012, 11:02:07 AM4/23/12
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"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionn...@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:21f96fcd-c887-41b1...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program.
What the hell is a 'sidewalk'?
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program.
Alan
Squashme
Apr 23, 2012, 1:40:25 PM4/23/12
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On Apr 23, 4:02 pm, "Alan Holmes" <alan.holme...@virgin.net> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in messagenews:21f96fcd-c887-41b1...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6458704249_c2f970e869_z.jpg
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in messagenews:21f96fcd-c887-41b1...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > sharing program.
>
> What the hell is a 'sidewalk'?
>
> Alan
It's what crabs do:-
> > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > sharing program.
>
> What the hell is a 'sidewalk'?
>
> Alan
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6458704249_c2f970e869_z.jpg
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 24, 2012, 7:25:13 PM4/24/12
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On Apr 22, 4:59 pm, Toci <dl64...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 22, 1:19 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 11:44 am, bo peep <cowartmi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Anyone spending time out on the streets and/or sidewalks should carry a cellphone for emergencies. A Tracfone costs less than $7/month for moderate use.
>
> > There's a number I got but by the time they'll show up, they'll be
> > gone. And there's the possibility that the driver sees me and chases
> > me around. They do it routinely because they can get away with it. I
> > saw more cars blocking sidewalk in the same area next to a body shop.
>
> > I don't want to play VIGILANTE like Zimmerman.
>
> Actually, as a common pedestrian, I often come across drivers who feel
> I shouldn't exist, either. I strongly suspect they're the same
> drivers who give bicyclists trouble. Toci
I just had a peek into "the animal" forcing pedestrians and cyclists
off the sidewalk. I was at this bakery and this old cowboy (hat and
all) parked his big truck in a spot designed for cars, which made the
next cyclist to come along to walk his bicycle around. He ordered a
bunch of crackers and left without any awareness of the conflict he
created. Funny thing is he had a handicap permit to allow him to have
preferential treatment.
Everything is upside-down in a place where the humble struggle to
survive and the predator pretends to be weak.
> On Apr 22, 1:19 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 11:44 am, bo peep <cowartmi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:51:43 AM UTC-6, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > > When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk?
>
> > > When you promptly report them to the police. Did you report this recent blocking incident to the police? If not, how did you expect the police to know about the problem? Do you believe that the police are psychic?
> > > On Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:51:43 AM UTC-6, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > > When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk?
>
>
> > > Anyone spending time out on the streets and/or sidewalks should carry a cellphone for emergencies. A Tracfone costs less than $7/month for moderate use.
>
> > There's a number I got but by the time they'll show up, they'll be
> > gone. And there's the possibility that the driver sees me and chases
> > me around. They do it routinely because they can get away with it. I
> > saw more cars blocking sidewalk in the same area next to a body shop.
>
> > I don't want to play VIGILANTE like Zimmerman.
>
> Actually, as a common pedestrian, I often come across drivers who feel
> I shouldn't exist, either. I strongly suspect they're the same
> drivers who give bicyclists trouble. Toci
I just had a peek into "the animal" forcing pedestrians and cyclists
off the sidewalk. I was at this bakery and this old cowboy (hat and
all) parked his big truck in a spot designed for cars, which made the
next cyclist to come along to walk his bicycle around. He ordered a
bunch of crackers and left without any awareness of the conflict he
created. Funny thing is he had a handicap permit to allow him to have
preferential treatment.
Everything is upside-down in a place where the humble struggle to
survive and the predator pretends to be weak.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 24, 2012, 7:32:19 PM4/24/12
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On Apr 23, 11:02 am, "Alan Holmes" <alan.holme...@virgin.net> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in messagenews:21f96fcd-c887-41b1...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
are riding a slow bike:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4718823191_589d493a94.jpg
It's also the same place used by pedestrians, with whom you must
struggle.
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in messagenews:21f96fcd-c887-41b1...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > sharing program.
>
> What the hell is a 'sidewalk'?
>
> Alan
Sidewalk is what you use when bike lanes are poorly designed and you
> > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > sharing program.
>
> What the hell is a 'sidewalk'?
>
> Alan
are riding a slow bike:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4718823191_589d493a94.jpg
It's also the same place used by pedestrians, with whom you must
struggle.
Király
May 1, 2012, 12:56:07 AM5/1/12
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In rec.bicycles.misc TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher <nolionn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sidewalk is what you use when bike lanes are poorly designed and you
> are riding a slow bike:
>
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4718823191_589d493a94.jpg
>
> It's also the same place used by pedestrians, with whom you must
> struggle.
Is this in Santa Monica? I looked at that street with Google Earth and
> Sidewalk is what you use when bike lanes are poorly designed and you
> are riding a slow bike:
>
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4718823191_589d493a94.jpg
>
> It's also the same place used by pedestrians, with whom you must
> struggle.
see no reason why not to use the road.
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 1, 2012, 3:18:04 PM5/1/12
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On May 1, 12:56 am, m...@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) wrote:
bike as much as here in Miami. There's a path next to the Long Beach
Freeway, but glass and drunks were part of the obstacles along the
way.
I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
placed there waiting for some master plan to come along and change
things. But I think we'll trash the planet before that happens. At
this rate of development it would take some 200 years to complete a
comprehensive web of routes. In the meantime, we can say they lead
nowhere.
> In rec.bicycles.misc TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Sidewalk is what you use when bike lanes are poorly designed and you
> > are riding a slow bike:
>
> >http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4718823191_589d493a94.jpg
>
> > It's also the same place used by pedestrians, with whom you must
> > struggle.
>
> Is this in Santa Monica? I looked at that street with Google Earth and
> see no reason why not to use the road.
I lived in LA over 20 years ago and I remember struggling to ride a
>
> > Sidewalk is what you use when bike lanes are poorly designed and you
> > are riding a slow bike:
>
> >http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4718823191_589d493a94.jpg
>
> > It's also the same place used by pedestrians, with whom you must
> > struggle.
>
> Is this in Santa Monica? I looked at that street with Google Earth and
> see no reason why not to use the road.
bike as much as here in Miami. There's a path next to the Long Beach
Freeway, but glass and drunks were part of the obstacles along the
way.
I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
placed there waiting for some master plan to come along and change
things. But I think we'll trash the planet before that happens. At
this rate of development it would take some 200 years to complete a
comprehensive web of routes. In the meantime, we can say they lead
nowhere.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 1, 2012, 3:18:24 PM5/1/12
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On Apr 15, 9:00 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
It is said "happiness is a beach cruiser," but not when you can bump
into pedestrians. I hit my first pedestrian today as I rode down the
sidewalk, and the pedestrian came out of nowhere. Nothing really
serious but she was visibly shaken, and I offered no appologies since
that's the only place for me to ride a bike.
I remember saying something about us "being on top of each other,"
which I hope our masters someday will remember. When you mix different
species together sooner or later something happens. It's not a happy
cohabitation. It actually leads to conflicts and accidents.
Perhaps our engineers are stupid and don't notice these things, but
I'm here to remind them. I'm the first philosopher not to be "up in
clouds" and rather offer practical solutions.
I vaguely mentioned my campaign "Welcome to the Jungle" to the
affected lady but I don't think she registered. Perhaps she's not
lucky as you are. And what about if it had been an old lady? I just
want to dismiss that thought.
TO BE CONTINUED --OR NOT.
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> opinion.
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> opinion.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
It is said "happiness is a beach cruiser," but not when you can bump
into pedestrians. I hit my first pedestrian today as I rode down the
sidewalk, and the pedestrian came out of nowhere. Nothing really
serious but she was visibly shaken, and I offered no appologies since
that's the only place for me to ride a bike.
I remember saying something about us "being on top of each other,"
which I hope our masters someday will remember. When you mix different
species together sooner or later something happens. It's not a happy
cohabitation. It actually leads to conflicts and accidents.
Perhaps our engineers are stupid and don't notice these things, but
I'm here to remind them. I'm the first philosopher not to be "up in
clouds" and rather offer practical solutions.
I vaguely mentioned my campaign "Welcome to the Jungle" to the
affected lady but I don't think she registered. Perhaps she's not
lucky as you are. And what about if it had been an old lady? I just
want to dismiss that thought.
TO BE CONTINUED --OR NOT.
Wes Groleau
May 1, 2012, 8:53:41 PM5/1/12
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On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
Auto instructions, nine.
Heck with it, I'll take the auto route.
I got rid of my car two years ago, and I've been all over the county,
Seems I make the same decision every time I go anywhere. The only time
I didn't, I was fifteen minutes late to an important meeting.
On the bright side, there seems to be far fewer "evil idiot" motorists
than some folks would have us believe. Yes, there are a noticeable
number of idiots, but today is the only time in these two years
that I encountered one who was evil. (And "evil" is an exaggeration--
he just laid on his horn for about ten seconds because I was blocking
almost five percent of HIS road.)
I also spent two years without a car in San Diego--with a thirteen-mile
commute to work--and never encountered an attitude problem either.
--
Wes Groleau
I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with
the release of MS-DOS.
— Larry DeLuca
Philosopher wrote:
> I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
> lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
> lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
Auto instructions, nine.
Heck with it, I'll take the auto route.
I got rid of my car two years ago, and I've been all over the county,
Seems I make the same decision every time I go anywhere. The only time
I didn't, I was fifteen minutes late to an important meeting.
On the bright side, there seems to be far fewer "evil idiot" motorists
than some folks would have us believe. Yes, there are a noticeable
number of idiots, but today is the only time in these two years
that I encountered one who was evil. (And "evil" is an exaggeration--
he just laid on his horn for about ten seconds because I was blocking
almost five percent of HIS road.)
I also spent two years without a car in San Diego--with a thirteen-mile
commute to work--and never encountered an attitude problem either.
--
Wes Groleau
I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with
the release of MS-DOS.
— Larry DeLuca
The Real Bev
May 2, 2012, 12:21:03 AM5/2/12
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On 05/01/2012 05:53 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> Philosopher wrote:
>> I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
>> lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>
> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
Around here bicycle lanes are a joke. Parking is allowed in them, and
> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> Philosopher wrote:
>> I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
>> lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>
> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
at their widest the left edge is perfect for dooring the passing
cyclist. Sometimes there is bicycle lane marking where there is NO
bicycle lane -- one lane each way curb to curb and NO parking available.
Everybody gets screwed.
OTOH there are a lot of bicyclists who travel in groups who ride 3 or 4
abreast when there is only one lane available to traffic, forcing cars
to back up behind them. I regard this as pure shitheadedness -- single
file is both courteous AND legally required.
Nobody gets out of here alive.
--
Cheers, Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"No one's life, liberty or property is safe while
the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain
Wes Groleau
May 2, 2012, 12:38:23 AM5/2/12
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On 05-02-2012 00:21, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 05/01/2012 05:53 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
>> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc.
>> points.
>
> Around here bicycle lanes are a joke. Parking is allowed in them, and at
> their widest the left edge is perfect for dooring the passing cyclist.
> Sometimes there is bicycle lane marking where there is NO bicycle lane
> -- one lane each way curb to curb and NO parking available. Everybody
> gets screwed.
Here, we have a very active trails program, but even though the
> On 05/01/2012 05:53 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
>> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc.
>> points.
>
> Around here bicycle lanes are a joke. Parking is allowed in them, and at
> their widest the left edge is perfect for dooring the passing cyclist.
> Sometimes there is bicycle lane marking where there is NO bicycle lane
> -- one lane each way curb to curb and NO parking available. Everybody
> gets screwed.
promotion talks about transportation, the routing is oriented for
recreation. Little short disconnected sessions for the most part,
along with several long ones that go from nowhere to nowhere.
If you are one of those people that won't share the road with cars,
you'd have to walk to a trailhead, ride a mile or less, walk to another
trailhead, ....
JNugent
May 2, 2012, 3:39:32 AM5/2/12
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On 02/05/2012 05:21, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 05/01/2012 05:53 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>
>> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>> Philosopher wrote:
>>> I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
>>> lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>>
>> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
>> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
>
> Around here bicycle lanes are a joke. Parking is allowed in them,
If they're at the kerbside, so it should be.
> On 05/01/2012 05:53 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>
>> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>> Philosopher wrote:
>>> I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
>>> lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>>
>> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
>> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
>
> Around here bicycle lanes are a joke. Parking is allowed in them,
Would you prefer a gap left between parked vehicles and the kerb, for the
cyclists who never use so -called "bike lanes"?
> and at
> their widest the left edge is perfect for dooring the passing cyclist.
The Real Bev
May 2, 2012, 12:55:42 PM5/2/12
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On 05/02/2012 12:39 AM, JNugent wrote:
> On 02/05/2012 05:21, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 05/01/2012 05:53 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>>
>>> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>>> Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>>>> I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like
>>>> the bike lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere.
>>>> They are perhaps
>>>
>>> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite
>>> side of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY
>>> turn/merge/etc. points.
>>
>> Around here bicycle lanes are a joke. Parking is allowed in them,
>
> If they're at the kerbside, so it should be.
I don't have a problem with the parking, it just seems stupid to call it
> On 02/05/2012 05:21, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 05/01/2012 05:53 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>>
>>> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>>> Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>>>> I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like
>>>> the bike lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere.
>>>> They are perhaps
>>>
>>> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite
>>> side of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY
>>> turn/merge/etc. points.
>>
>> Around here bicycle lanes are a joke. Parking is allowed in them,
>
> If they're at the kerbside, so it should be.
a bicycle lane and pat yourself on the back for being bike-friendly.
> Would you prefer a gap left between parked vehicles and the kerb, for
> the cyclists who never use so -called "bike lanes"?
dollars. As a matter of fact, in some cases they're outright dangerous
-- instead of paint they laid down some plastic crap that gets even
slipperier when it's damp. They're just something that our City Fathers
use to brag about how "bike friendly" Pasadena is. Shitheads.
If they want to do something of actual benefit they'd clean up the trash
in the gutters, cut down the piles of blacktop where it joins concrete,
and fix the potholes. Instead they put decorative paving in crosswalks,
add roundouts to eliminate parking and easy right turns and provide only
a foot of space between the curb and the right side of passing cars, and
put up "SHARE THE ROAD" signs. Assholes.
>> and at their widest the left edge is perfect for dooring the
>> passing cyclist.
>
> That's never happened to me, whether on a bike or in a car.
since due to tinted windows and high-back car seats you can't tell if
there's actually a driver in the car.
--
Cheers, Bev
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"Nothing in the universe can withstand the relentless application
of brute force and ignorance." -- Frd, via Dennis (evil)
JNugent
May 2, 2012, 5:39:49 PM5/2/12
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>
Simon Mason
May 3, 2012, 12:58:38 AM5/3/12
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On May 2, 5:38 am, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
> intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
> from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with
> the release of MS-DOS.
>
That takes me back - I was only usuing the CMD command to ping Google
> I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
> intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
> from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with
> the release of MS-DOS.
>
to test a new dongle I have yesterday.
Good to see it still there in the background even in Windows 7.
--
Simon Mason
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 3, 2012, 2:25:29 PM5/3/12
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On May 1, 8:53 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
> > lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>
> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
>
> Auto instructions, nine.
>
> Heck with it, I'll take the auto route.
>
> I got rid of my car two years ago, and I've been all over the county,
> Seems I make the same decision every time I go anywhere. The only time
> I didn't, I was fifteen minutes late to an important meeting.
>
> On the bright side, there seems to be far fewer "evil idiot" motorists
> than some folks would have us believe. Yes, there are a noticeable
> number of idiots, but today is the only time in these two years
> that I encountered one who was evil. (And "evil" is an exaggeration--
> he just laid on his horn for about ten seconds because I was blocking
> almost five percent of HIS road.)
>
> I also spent two years without a car in San Diego--with a thirteen-mile
> commute to work--and never encountered an attitude problem either.
This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
> > lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>
> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
>
> Auto instructions, nine.
>
> Heck with it, I'll take the auto route.
>
> I got rid of my car two years ago, and I've been all over the county,
> Seems I make the same decision every time I go anywhere. The only time
> I didn't, I was fifteen minutes late to an important meeting.
>
> On the bright side, there seems to be far fewer "evil idiot" motorists
> than some folks would have us believe. Yes, there are a noticeable
> number of idiots, but today is the only time in these two years
> that I encountered one who was evil. (And "evil" is an exaggeration--
> he just laid on his horn for about ten seconds because I was blocking
> almost five percent of HIS road.)
>
> I also spent two years without a car in San Diego--with a thirteen-mile
> commute to work--and never encountered an attitude problem either.
away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
"Natural Born Killers" is another title and they do kill a cyclist for
the hell of it in the movie. They do have a License to Kill, which
helps their killing instincts take over.
Judith
May 3, 2012, 2:52:10 PM5/3/12
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On Wed, 2 May 2012 21:58:38 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason <swld...@gmail.com>
wrote:
You never did explain about the "program" that you had written to allow
kill-filing of Google Groups postings . I wonder why that was?
--
Simon Mason used to post from BP Chemicals where he works.
He repeatedly said that he was wasting BP's time; and not his own
time - like other posters were.
After the BP AGM in April 2012 Mason suddenly stopped posting from
a BP IP address. People have asked why - but he won't say :-)
wrote:
kill-filing of Google Groups postings . I wonder why that was?
--
Simon Mason used to post from BP Chemicals where he works.
He repeatedly said that he was wasting BP's time; and not his own
time - like other posters were.
After the BP AGM in April 2012 Mason suddenly stopped posting from
a BP IP address. People have asked why - but he won't say :-)
Simon Mason
May 4, 2012, 1:20:16 AM5/4/12
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On May 3, 7:25 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
have done then.
It makes the experience of cycling much less stressful, I find.
--
Simon Mason
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
> away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
> evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
> but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
> every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
> minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
> qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
You need to find some off road routes free from automobiles like I
>
> This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
> away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
> evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
> but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
> every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
> minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
> qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
have done then.
It makes the experience of cycling much less stressful, I find.
--
Simon Mason
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:06:32 PM5/6/12
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>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OByPf1fTZ0
>
> I hope those putzes in the next lane haven't seen that!
The Media plays a role in the search for the ratings. A healthy
cyclist is not news as much as a dead cyclist is. One of the worst
"vultures" around is Channel 7 which happens to be right on the worst
road to ride a bicycle in Miami, which also happens to be the most
scenic. They play a major role in planting FEAR while ignoring the
news worth investigating. For example, this same road is ALWAYS under
construction as if a lot of corruption is going on. But that's only my
humble opinion.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:16:48 PM5/6/12
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> on a *sidewalk*, and refuses even to apologize on the hypocritical
> grounds that he is himself terrorized by motor vehicle drivers.
> A waste of skin, some might say. Lower than the fleas that infest his
> hide.
They should apologize to me. I'm smarter than them in using a bike
while I go around looking for support for a solution, even if it means
NO BIKES ON SIDEWALK. They are so pitiful that they don't even notice
the sidewalks in disrepair while a monkey on a bike must do their job.
Actually I think we should have a few cyclists looking for broken and
dangerous sidewalks. Some of them can be deadly to the handicapped
and nobody ever care. Smart elderly people on a trike are particularly
at risk of taking advantage of the wheel.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 9, 2012, 11:05:11 AM5/9/12
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On May 8, 11:36 pm, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 May 2012 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> The sidewalk is provided for pedestrians; on it they have the absolute
> >> >> >> right of way. If you run into a pedestrian on the sidewalk you are, by
> >> >> >> definition, at fault, and should at the *very* least humbly and
> >> >> >> sincerely beg for pardon. Were it up to me I wouldn't think a few days
> >> >> >> in jail would be out of line.
>
> >> >> >> Obey the golden rule: do unto pedestrians as you would have drivers do
> >> >> >> unto you.
>
> >> >> > I apologize to drivers when I make a stupid mistake. She came from
> >> >> > behind a wall without looking, and if I apologized I would share some
> >> >> > of the blame. I was riding nice and slow, so I share no blame.
>
> >> >> > We are two idiots that bumped into each other in the great scheme of
> >> >> > things.
>
> >> >> If you would not have bumped into her had you been a pedestrian, you are
> >> >> at fault. If you did more damage than you would have had you been a
> >> >> pedestrian, you are at fault. If you were anything like a decent human
> >> >> being you would have apologized in any case.
>
> >> > But we are not human beings around here. We are all animals fighting
> >> > for space and survival.
>
> >> Even a monkey can be something like a decent human being. Your choice,
> >> I guess.
>
> >Guess what would happen if you give a bunch a bananas to a bunch of
> >monkeys?
>
> >They would fight because resources are limited. In this case the
> >sidewalk is the limited resource. It's our "masters" fault. Look no
> >further.
>
> Our "Master's fault". With an attitude like that. I am assuming that
> your mother still spoon feeds you as obviously it would be an unfair
> burden on you to actually reach out a hand and do something for your
> self.
Sorry, we DO have masters. Whatever we do is their design. They use
ADVERTISING and INTIMIDATION to have us driving trucks not bicyles. We
are different species on top of each other, fighting for survival and
space.
A good master doesn't mix rats and mice.
> On Tue, 8 May 2012 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On May 7, 11:24 pm, Radey Shouman <shou...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> > On May 7, 10:57 am, Radey Shouman <shou...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> >> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> >> >> right of way. If you run into a pedestrian on the sidewalk you are, by
> >> >> >> definition, at fault, and should at the *very* least humbly and
> >> >> >> sincerely beg for pardon. Were it up to me I wouldn't think a few days
> >> >> >> in jail would be out of line.
>
> >> >> >> Obey the golden rule: do unto pedestrians as you would have drivers do
> >> >> >> unto you.
>
> >> >> > I apologize to drivers when I make a stupid mistake. She came from
> >> >> > behind a wall without looking, and if I apologized I would share some
> >> >> > of the blame. I was riding nice and slow, so I share no blame.
>
> >> >> > We are two idiots that bumped into each other in the great scheme of
> >> >> > things.
>
> >> >> If you would not have bumped into her had you been a pedestrian, you are
> >> >> at fault. If you did more damage than you would have had you been a
> >> >> pedestrian, you are at fault. If you were anything like a decent human
> >> >> being you would have apologized in any case.
>
> >> > But we are not human beings around here. We are all animals fighting
> >> > for space and survival.
>
> >> Even a monkey can be something like a decent human being. Your choice,
> >> I guess.
>
> >Guess what would happen if you give a bunch a bananas to a bunch of
> >monkeys?
>
> >They would fight because resources are limited. In this case the
> >sidewalk is the limited resource. It's our "masters" fault. Look no
> >further.
>
> Our "Master's fault". With an attitude like that. I am assuming that
> your mother still spoon feeds you as obviously it would be an unfair
> burden on you to actually reach out a hand and do something for your
> self.
Sorry, we DO have masters. Whatever we do is their design. They use
ADVERTISING and INTIMIDATION to have us driving trucks not bicyles. We
are different species on top of each other, fighting for survival and
space.
A good master doesn't mix rats and mice.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 13, 2012, 12:06:08 PM5/13/12
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On May 12, 12:09 am, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 05-07-2012 14:31, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> > comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
> > there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
> > conditions are right, but not blindly.
>
> I mentioned "Here" (northeast Indiana) and San Diego. I could also
> mention that I obeyed the law riding in Tulsa, L.A., and Oregon--but
> those were in the 1960s and 1970s.
>
> People ride on sidewalks here, too. But the doesn't make it right or
> smart. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't do it, since the sidewalks are
> not maintained.
I agree with that, but we often find ourselves between a rock and a
hard place. Yes you can get hurt on sidewalks, yes you can hurt
people, yes you can hit a pole or signpost, yes you must struggle with
cars at every intersection and driveway, yes you may hit a bump on
sidewalks that are in disrepair, yes you may have to negotiate your
way around garbage cans, yes you may have to deal with dogs, but THE
ROAD (I'm talking about Collins Ave from Miami Beach to Hollywood and
adjacent causeways) remains NO MAN'S LAND.
And that's in the middle of bike sharing program similar to Paris and
London.
> On 05-07-2012 14:31, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> > comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
> > there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
> > conditions are right, but not blindly.
>
> I mentioned "Here" (northeast Indiana) and San Diego. I could also
> mention that I obeyed the law riding in Tulsa, L.A., and Oregon--but
> those were in the 1960s and 1970s.
>
> People ride on sidewalks here, too. But the doesn't make it right or
> smart. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't do it, since the sidewalks are
> not maintained.
I agree with that, but we often find ourselves between a rock and a
hard place. Yes you can get hurt on sidewalks, yes you can hurt
people, yes you can hit a pole or signpost, yes you must struggle with
cars at every intersection and driveway, yes you may hit a bump on
sidewalks that are in disrepair, yes you may have to negotiate your
way around garbage cans, yes you may have to deal with dogs, but THE
ROAD (I'm talking about Collins Ave from Miami Beach to Hollywood and
adjacent causeways) remains NO MAN'S LAND.
And that's in the middle of bike sharing program similar to Paris and
London.
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