PLUR from the sixties ?
Beelzebub
My daddy told me last night that the PLUR thing was already used by the
hippies in the sixties.. is that true ?
Bye & LURP !
Rene Tõnisson
read http://hippy.com , it has the same point as PLUR.
/ Renet / re...@ut.ee /
Beelzebub <Nit...@aol.com> wrote:
: Hi alt.ravers !
AnnFetamyn
completely different approach tho...based on my definition of it.
*------<3SaRa aka. babyphat*
you.Spin.me.right.round.baby.
right.round.like.a.record.baby.
*---mad.luv.to.my.DCRavuh.familEE---*
DeViN
Whatever your definition is....History repeats. Practically every
generation has a PLUR thing with the same underlying theme. BeatNiks in
the 50's & HiPPies in the 60's. Anti-Social behaviour, affinity to the
muzac, nth degree of mind-altering substances, at-Peace with urself & ur
newly founded group, in-Luv wit urselves & those in da group, in Union
with the cult of the generations and Respecting anyone who can respect
the play-o-the-day.
Sorry to burst the bub but the RaVr scene is nothing new, someday you'll
understand this and hav-a-laf.
Been there...dunnit.
AnnFetamyn
>understand this and hav-a-laf.
>
>Been there...dunnit.
*smiles* I know this. But with each repetition there comes something new.
I'm sorry you can't see that...
You may have been there and dunnit...but what did you get? A lousy t-shirt? :)
DeViN
>
> *smiles* I know this. But with each repetition there comes something new.
> I'm sorry you can't see that...
I'm not-a-bustin on RaVes....luvem. But, original poster ? hippies vs.
RaVers. There is an uncanny parallel.
1. Muzic - sure its different but the devotion to the muzic was the
same loud anti-social stuff (listen to Jefferson Airplanes "Alice")
2. Phat pants - same.... pants just got phat at the ankles back then.
3. Colorful Clothin - Hippies got the RaVers there.
4. Drug Culture - Drugs are different (acid stronger back then), no x
but ludes were just as fun. cHronic aplenty, coke, AnNpHetamins, ya
name it. Almost all HiPPies did some form of drug. RaVers, IMO, about
85% (not sayin this isa bad thin).
5. Gummy bears, Glow Sticks, Pacifiers.....HOLYKnoly...this is taken
right from the HiPPies. Go down to SF Height-Ashbury district to buy
the best RaVer toys (actually these are relics from the HiPPie hangout
of yore but resale value is higher).
6. Lights - Flashing lights, pyscho----delic...oh yeah. Black lights
(gimme-a-break...gotta be some new techno----ology). OK Lasers are new,
I'll give ya that.
7. Un-scriptured Dancin-----whoa---HiPPies got-us there.
8. PLUR vs. Flower Children.... difference here is that HiPPies had an
actual social cause to fight fer (VietNAM). Most RaVers want to hide
from the rest of society and pretend that they are not part-of such
society. HiPPies embraced everyone (true PLUR and not reserved for a
specific group), thus FloWer Children piNNing flowers on the lapels of
those nasty GOV backed National Guards. Older people were welcomed into
the HiPPy culture. Can't say the same for the RaVescene. I'd say the
HiPPies were PLURRIER than RaVers.
Fer Fun, watch a Video of Woodstock the Movie & check the comparisons.
Anywho....I hope yer path takes you to OZ. Just remember, many, from
the HiPPie culture are already there and awaitin fer ya.
skett seven
for unity through music. you see, it is ALL about the music. everything
raaverish grows through the music. for instance, ravers do drugs because
the music is related to certain drugs, ravers are a dance communtiy or a
culture of dancers. hippies were really into the music but ravers
started because of the music and exist because of the music. it's like
this, people have found a way to capture the actual soul of music, yes!
the actual soul. and that is through the pressing of vinyl. when a rave
is set up, they build huge monuments of technology to release these
captured souls, the stack bassbins and speakers so that these souls can
be felt by all attending. the dj's are the mediators. they collect these
souls and then professioally and artistically display them. the dancers
recieve the souls and let the souls live again through their bodies by
dancing and grooving. ravers are alot more than peace loving drug users,
they are ritualistic culture celebrating the spirit world. it's
religous.
you don't agree?
lol
pure
DJ Cugg-E
i learned about the scene
:)
Cugg-E
DeViN <d...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:36FA80...@pacbell.net...
> AnnFetamyn wrote:
> >
> > Yeah they had a few differences with the whole P&L thing. I see PLUR as
a
> > completely different approach tho...based on my definition of it.
> > *------<3SaRa aka. babyphat*
> > you.Spin.me.right.round.baby.
> > right.round.like.a.record.baby.
> > *---mad.luv.to.my.DCRavuh.familEE---*
>
> Whatever your definition is....History repeats. Practically every
> generation has a PLUR thing with the same underlying theme. BeatNiks in
> the 50's & HiPPies in the 60's. Anti-Social behaviour, affinity to the
> muzac, nth degree of mind-altering substances, at-Peace with urself & ur
> newly founded group, in-Luv wit urselves & those in da group, in Union
> with the cult of the generations and Respecting anyone who can respect
> the play-o-the-day.
>
m.cos
silverthrone wrote in message <36FAD679...@home.com>...
What ravers need is a cause to fight for! Any suggestions?
Until the philosophy which holds one race Superior and another inferior Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned Everywhere is war, me say war
That until there is no longer first class And second class citizens of any nation Until the colour of a man's skin Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes Me say war
That until the basic human rights are equally Guaranteed to all, without regard to race Dis a war
That until that day The dream of lasting peace, world citizenship Rule of international morality Will remain in but a fleeting illusion To be pursued, but never attained Now everywhere is war, war
this piece was snipped from the song "war" written by the honerable Robert Nesta Marley. this section of lyrics was taken form a speach given to the UN by the Emperor Eilie Sellasie(sp?) of Ethiopia....it just kinda popped into my head when i read scott's question .... :o) for me ... this is one of the most heart-felt... inspiring pieces of music.. (along with Eddie Amador's story of Jack) i have ever heard.... period. now i guess im not trying to say that racism should be the cause or fight that we as a community should rally behind (although it is one that would certainly benefit from our love and understanding !!!) but look at the last verse... "dream of lasting peace," "world citizenship" , and "the rule of international morality" .... now i know that the vast majority of those on this list .. ..(and to a lesser extent, all party kids in general)... could say that these are deifinately goals that we would LOVE to see achieved...its just in our nature !!!!!but the vast majority of the population, to me at least,does not share these world views ... :o( ... so whut?, you say ??? well .... he he he .... let me think ..... i guess its just a post to plant a seed... a little spark of some kind in all who read it .... to realize that while "change" may seem like a far off distant thing that will never come to pass... it ISN'T !!!! i am a true,true believer in the power of positive thinking, and firmly beleive that if individuals fill their lives with like 1/10th the emotion and fire that these lyrics inspire.... we could do it ... we could make a differnece... to change things for the BETTER....
ok ... like wow!!! ... im reaching my post length limit ... he he ... seriously,if you've never heard this .. i HIGHly recomend it !!!! .... i hope all of you kids have a wonderful day...
peassss&luvs... ~cos~ ~who really would like to hear this spun into a set <g>~
Merick420
still think that raverz came from the hippy Kulture...kinda like a branch
off of the culture...... as far as plur i feel that if u believe in the
statment Peace Luv Unity and Respect.... then u believe in taking that
wherever u go not just to ravez..... its a state of mind not a peice of
luggage that u take with you only to certain places.... as far as everthing
else i think u hit it right on.... wellll itz been kool but i gotta dance
PeAcE
LuV
UNiTy
ReSpEcT
Laterz
Meri...@eastky.net
DeViN <d...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:36FAA1...@pacbell.net...
Larry W
What ravers need is a cause to fight for! Any suggestions?
i tink you fail to realize that the rave culture is different from all others expressly because they lack a dogma. inside a rave people are people are people are people. no race, religion, age, height, shoe size. we're all individuals that deserve respect regardless. Read Altered State by Matthew Collins, he says it best. To rally behind a cause would go against the reason raves came about, for everyone (hippies, G's, punks, yuppies, hard core and light hearted alike.) to get together and not be judged. anyone who, while in a rave considers another person based on anything other than content of character is going against PLUR and should find themselves a way to get past everything, there is a deeper state that transends causes and rallies and movements and i've seen it achieved at raves before. it's pure and happy and completely original. if we would compare it to anything please let it be Zen.
Merick420
alwayz complains and complains about how much people should stand up for wut
they believe in and fight for a cause...(trust me i know i'm one of them
peeeps), but the only problem with that iz ...if everyone out there does
that and everyone starts to fight 4 wut they beleive in then the whole world
will be fighting...everyone has there own views and there own beliefs and if
each of us fights for our own beliefs then we will end up killin each other
off... what we all need to do iz just respect and have luv 4 each other and
each otherz ideas (PLUR)..... when we can do that then there will be world
peace...( ha ha yea right )
but why not itz worth a try... respect ur neighbor respect ur brother
respect the a$$hole who stole ur glowstickz.... we r all peeps and we all
have our different ideas... whos to say urs r any better than mine
......Laterz all
Peace
Luv
Unity
Respect
and alwayz 4:20
meri...@eastky.net >>>>>email addy
>>>>>>:o)~I~~<
Larry W <p...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:EvgL2.1667$l77.6...@news3.atl...
silverthrone wrote in message <36FAD679...@home.com>...
What ravers need is a cause to fight for! Any suggestions?
i tink you fail to realize that the rave culture is different from all
others expressly because they lack a dogma. inside a rave people are people
are people are people. no race, religion, age, height, shoe size. we're all
Vital key
era. but the ideas we have, (plur) this unity we have is similar to the
feelings the hippys had. but it is not the same, only similar. still
different in many ways.... what we need to do is find someone that was very
active in that era and see what they think.
((matthew))
>yo yo yo i think ur right about tha whole hippy / raver thing......but i
>still think that raverz came from the hippy Kulture...kinda like a branch
>off of the culture...... as far as plur i feel that if u believe in the
>statment Peace Luv Unity and Respect.... then u believe in taking that
>wherever u go not just to ravez..... its a state of mind not a peice of
>luggage that u take with you only to certain places.... as far as everthing
>else i think u hit it right on.... wellll itz been kool but i gotta dance
"It through concsiousness observation we create, and if through contemplation
we understand what we observe, then we hold the key-the equation- to eternity
in our minds"- David Darling
Remove ~FUNKTHAT~ to e-mail me.
Dovegrrrl
more to our own advantage, with the electronic music and all... where the
hippies were more interested in "tuning out", with their acoustic music and
'shrooms and all... to mainstream society we're probably just as much a
counter-culture as they were... but at least for the moment we aren't out in
the streets protesting against a war or whatever (even though the way things
are going right now, that could like change REAL quick...)
my 2 -c-
Vital key wrote in message <19990328112010...@ng-fb1.aol.com>...
Yonderboy
you wrote "but at least for the moment we aren't out in the streets protesting
against a war or whatever.."
what in the FUCK is that supposed to mean? are you not willing to go out and
protest for World Peace?!?! I am.. let's organize a world peace rally..
we'd need a rally in every country on earth on the same day.. that's not too
realistic but we have to set our lofty goals very VERY high!
I was talking about this last yesterday afternoon and last night with my Friend
Kai.. he's already talking to people all over the world.. attached to the rave
scene.. and media contacts..
we most defenitely should be practicing what we preach.. why doesn't everybody
start talking to their friends.. just get people talking.. protest any way you
can in the mean time.. if you hear about anything on the radio or TV that's
interesting why not post it here to let us all know..
if you're interested in helping organize something in your city give me an email
and we can discuss what day we'll be doing this and get some media attention for
you and other fantabulous humanity loving schtuff..
PEACE AND LOVE!!
yonderboy
--
It's certainly true that second sight and visions of elementals is
still alive in the Celtic tradition. If you combine that with drugs
you run a really good risk of becoming psychotic - you just get
overloaded....
-William Irwin Thompson
Brian Clow
didn't have the power to change the world, we do. It's such a different place
now... We have the internet to spread our view to masses of people, they never had
anything like us. Another thing: the drug of choice for hippies was acid... I
find that on acid I make revelations, but forget them the next day. Nowadays it
seems to be E... When you make a revelation on E, you remember it the day after,
and you can act upon it.
One thing about the hippies protesting for peace tho. What they protested
seemed unrealistic... Even if the US and canada stay out of wars forever, there's
not going to be world peace. The only way to achieve world peace is by force...
Either that or all countries have to elvove to relatively democratic forms of
government...
Instead of going out and protesting (which even if it worked, wouldn't solve the
problem of wars in others countries), we should all be working to achieve positions
of power. Most ravers that I've met are intelligent, sociable people. We are the
kind who will inherit the earth, and when we do, then we can achieve world peace.
Trying to achieve world peace without positions of power won't work...
Yonderboy
we've gotta do *something* to pass the time..
and I'm loosing interest in doing copious amounts of drugs... =)
yonderboy
Brian Clow
hippe-anti-war-peace-loving kids. Which we are... :) But it doesn't make the public take
us seriously.
Yonderboy
attention..
think about it.. hundreds of thousands of people all over the globe protesting for the same
reasons.. towards the same cause or goal.. it would do good..
take tianamen square.. that protesting did a lot.. you need to think more positively.
Larry W
movement was about. it was not an anti-war movement. it was an civil rights
movement. they argued it was unfair to allow, nay force an 18 to die in war
and not allow him to vote for the officials that started the war. they were
right and the government changed. that was the original hippie movement, it
was later mutated into a flower power spiritual sexual orgy that it'll
probably never dig it's way out of, but ravers are nothing like that. we
live the way we do because it suits us. we should not attempt to impose any
feelings on the rest of the world because we don't want the rest of the
world imposing anything on us. if you want a world rave centered on plur,
great. but a world rave centered on peace for all is not only unrealistic,
but down right wrong. it'd be like a world rally around not doing drugs
because some groups in the world think drugs are wrong. we love peace, but
some cultures do not want to live in peace, because to have peace is to have
resolution, to have resolution of opposing views is to have compromise, and
to compromise would be a defeat in itself. i urge you all to learn about the
nature of war and conflicts around the world and then speak on them.
speaking while ignorant gets nothing done, it only wastes time. thank you...
--
Larry W
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may
know him by
this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy
against him. "
-- Jonathan Swift
Yonderboy <yond...@synthetic-dreams.com> wrote in message
news:3700DEC6...@synthetic-dreams.com...
Brian Clow
Yonderboy wrote:
> bullshit.. look what happened when jean chretien sprayed that kid with mace.. THAT got peoples
> attention..
>
> think about it.. hundreds of thousands of people all over the globe protesting for the same
> reasons.. towards the same cause or goal.. it would do good..
>
> take tianamen square.. that protesting did a lot.. you need to think more positively.
When Jean Chretien sprayed that kid with mace? I never heard about that.. I remembre in the
paper that Jean Chretien punched some protester in the face (or something like that)... It
certainly got the media's attention, but did it further the protester's cause? Do you even
remember what the cause was? Prolly not, and that's my point.
What good would hundreds of thousands of people protesting do? Would it make the madmen who
are waging wars stop, think, and order their armies to stand down? I think not. What would it do
then... It might make the UN have another conference on world peace. Or make NATO step in and
try to take over another country. Basically, a protest would make the major, responsible nations
of the world take notice. But the major, responsible nations are not the ones fighting wars.
Tianamen square... Very familiar, but I can't recall exactly what it was about. I believe
that that protest was violent tho. Violent protests are no better than the wars they protest
about.
I can think positively, but not about something so flawed in it's very nature...
Yonderboy
hello there's a difference between right and wrong.. granted its different for
every person.. but genocide is WRONG!! no matter what!!
Yonderboy
> Yonderboy wrote:
>
> > bullshit.. look what happened when jean chretien sprayed that kid with mace.. THAT got peoples
> > attention..
> >
> > think about it.. hundreds of thousands of people all over the globe protesting for the same
> > reasons.. towards the same cause or goal.. it would do good..
> >
> > take tianamen square.. that protesting did a lot.. you need to think more positively.
>
> When Jean Chretien sprayed that kid with mace? I never heard about that.. I remembre in the
> paper that Jean Chretien punched some protester in the face (or something like that)... It
> certainly got the media's attention, but did it further the protester's cause? Do you even
> remember what the cause was? Prolly not, and that's my point.
>
> What good would hundreds of thousands of people protesting do? Would it make the madmen who
> are waging wars stop, think, and order their armies to stand down? I think not. What would it do
> then... It might make the UN have another conference on world peace. Or make NATO step in and
> try to take over another country. Basically, a protest would make the major, responsible nations
> of the world take notice. But the major, responsible nations are not the ones fighting wars.
>
> Tianamen square... Very familiar, but I can't recall exactly what it was about. I believe
> that that protest was violent tho. Violent protests are no better than the wars they protest
> about.
>
> I can think positively, but not about something so flawed in it's very nature...
sorry.. mixed those up.. kids got maced by the RCMP and Jean chretien hit somebody.. you're right..
my mistake..
Yonderboy
> Yonderboy wrote:
>
> > bullshit.. look what happened when jean chretien sprayed that kid with mace.. THAT got peoples
> > attention..
> >
> > think about it.. hundreds of thousands of people all over the globe protesting for the same
> > reasons.. towards the same cause or goal.. it would do good..
> >
> > take tianamen square.. that protesting did a lot.. you need to think more positively.
>
> When Jean Chretien sprayed that kid with mace? I never heard about that.. I remembre in the
> paper that Jean Chretien punched some protester in the face (or something like that)... It
> certainly got the media's attention, but did it further the protester's cause? Do you even
> remember what the cause was? Prolly not, and that's my point.
>
> What good would hundreds of thousands of people protesting do? Would it make the madmen who
> are waging wars stop, think, and order their armies to stand down? I think not. What would it do
> then... It might make the UN have another conference on world peace. Or make NATO step in and
> try to take over another country. Basically, a protest would make the major, responsible nations
> of the world take notice. But the major, responsible nations are not the ones fighting wars.
>
> Tianamen square... Very familiar, but I can't recall exactly what it was about. I believe
> that that protest was violent tho. Violent protests are no better than the wars they protest
> about.
>
> I can think positively, but not about something so flawed in it's very nature...
no it wouldn't make the madmen waging wars stop think and order their armies to stand down.. but it
might get an idea into the head of a child who sees the protest .. it might inspire him to fight for
something he wants.. (we want)..
yes tianamen was violent.. peaceful protesters were attacked by the chinese army.. I seem to remember
several being run over by tanks while standing facing their fate..
Brian
Larry W wrote:
> i want everyone to stop digging into hippies until you realize what the
> movement was about. it was not an anti-war movement. it was an civil rights
> movement. they argued it was unfair to allow, nay force an 18 to die in war
> and not allow him to vote for the officials that started the war. they were
> right and the government changed. that was the original hippie movement, it
> was later mutated into a flower power spiritual sexual orgy that it'll
> probably never dig it's way out of, but ravers are nothing like that. we
> live the way we do because it suits us. we should not attempt to impose any
> feelings on the rest of the world because we don't want the rest of the
> world imposing anything on us. if you want a world rave centered on plur,
> great. but a world rave centered on peace for all is not only unrealistic,
> but down right wrong. it'd be like a world rally around not doing drugs
> because some groups in the world think drugs are wrong. we love peace, but
> some cultures do not want to live in peace, because to have peace is to have
> resolution, to have resolution of opposing views is to have compromise, and
> to compromise would be a defeat in itself. i urge you all to learn about the
> nature of war and conflicts around the world and then speak on them.
> speaking while ignorant gets nothing done, it only wastes time. thank you...
I have learned quite a bit about war and conflicts around the world... And
war is unneccesary, you'll have a tough time convincing anybody that it is
neccessary. Conflict is necessary, but conflict does not need to involve
shooting.
However: "we should not attempt to impose any feeling on the rest of the
world" is very true... It's not our right or place to do so. But we can
certainly let the rest of the world have a look at what we believe in and
practise, and let them decide for themselves if it's good or not...
Brian
Yonderboy wrote:
> no it wouldn't make the madmen waging wars stop think and order their armies to stand down.. but it
> might get an idea into the head of a child who sees the protest .. it might inspire him to fight for
> something he wants.. (we want)..
>
> yes tianamen was violent.. peaceful protesters were attacked by the chinese army.. I seem to remember
> several being run over by tanks while standing facing their fate..
The protest at tianamen square took place in very specific circumstances... The protesters were
protesting about something very specific (rather than something general like world peace), they were
attacked by armed forces (which ain't very likely at a worldwide protest for peace), and it was
politically-charged...
About the first thing you said. You want to protest for peace in order to get a child to fight? It
may very well inspire thousands... But again, it's useless. The madmen won't stop no matter how many
people want them to, unless they are crushed in a war. War to end war... A backwards-ass statement but
the only way to bring about peace.
Yonderboy
I'll still fuck for virginity.. have a good day.. ;)
see you at the liquid monkey tonight? i'll probably be there around 8:30 or so.. have to go to my 'rents for
dinner.. =)
cheerz,
yonder
Brian Clow
silverthrone wrote:
Hmmmm,
"we love peace, but some cultures do not want to live in peace, because to have peace is to have resolution, to have resolution of opposing views is to have compromise, and
to compromise would be a defeat in itself."
Maybe in your views. There is however something called a win-win situation. What it takes is commitment to find it. I wonder if you have that commitment? I also wonder who taught you that compromise is defeat? Probably someone from an older generation that wasn’t committed to finding a win-win solution so they just forced their views on you.
"i urge you all to learn about the nature of war and conflicts around the world and then speak on them. speaking while ignorant gets nothing done, it only wastes time. thank you..."
Fear? What about greed? Envy? Hate? Hate stems from fear, but I think greed and envy just stand on their own...I think Yonderboy and Brian have made some superb points, even if they don’t agree with each other. And by the way, I do understand the nature of war and conflict: fear. Period.
Don’t waste my time,
Scott
Dovegrrrl
Sorry, I actually stopped paying attention for a few hours and gosh, gotta
get a word in edgewise here... Yonderboy, I think your words (and heart)
really are in the right place... if you're talking about the Yugoslavia
crisis in particular, well, frankly I don't think there's a whole lot we can
do over here (the U.S.) because the bombs are being dropped over there
(Europe)... and how the hell do you stop that?? I think Larry W. has the
right idea, basically we can rant and rave out in the streets all we want
and it WON'T change U.S. foreign policy one whit. Only Mr. Milosevic and
his crew can do that. Wanna change the world?? Either get rich so you can
run things, or accept the fact that you'll have to wade through a lot of
shit to get people to even pay attention to what you're saying, much less
respond to it.
Really, I don't want to sound unpleasant here... but even at +- 30 years
old, I know already that "grassroots protest" only carries weight when the
thing you're protesting is very specific -- like the young Diallo dude who
got gunned down in NYC going into his own apartment, when he was completely
unarmed (not even a can of mace), and he posed no threat whatsoever to the
cops who pumped several dozen bullets at his body. That's a specific event,
and hundreds of New Yorkers are protesting, and it might even make mayor
Roody G. pay more attention to what his cop-employees are doing (so he can
stay in office, not because he really cares).
- Luv ya, Yonderboy -- keep up the idealism, we need it, but (you knew
there was a "but" coming!!!) protesting for World Peace might make people
think for a moment, but not much more. Look at all the people who gave
their LIVES for this freedom or that right, and yet here we are, still up to
some of the same old games here on Planet Earth as before. If you feel that
in your heart and have a mind to do it, I say "GO FOR IT!!" -- meanwhile, I
believe we ravers prol'ly should work at getting along with ourselves and
each other, without trying to tell everyone else out there what they should
be trying to do.... maybe some of them will follow by example... :^)
...d.g.
Yonderboy wrote in message <370132DD...@synthetic-dreams.com>...
>ok.. can we protest genocide? can we fight for what's RIGHT?!?!?!
>
>hello there's a difference between right and wrong.. granted its different
for
>every person.. but genocide is WRONG!! no matter what!!
>
>Larry W wrote:
>
>> i want everyone to stop digging into hippies until you realize what the
>> movement was about. it was not an anti-war movement. it was an civil
rights
>> movement. they argued it was unfair to allow, nay force an 18 to die in
war
>> and not allow him to vote for the officials that started the war. they
were
>> right and the government changed. that was the original hippie movement,
it
>> was later mutated into a flower power spiritual sexual orgy that it'll
>> probably never dig it's way out of, but ravers are nothing like that. we
>> live the way we do because it suits us. we should not attempt to impose
any
>> feelings on the rest of the world because we don't want the rest of the
>> world imposing anything on us. if you want a world rave centered on
plur,
>> great. but a world rave centered on peace for all is not only
unrealistic,
>> but down right wrong. it'd be like a world rally around not doing drugs
>> because some groups in the world think drugs are wrong. we love peace,
but
>> some cultures do not want to live in peace, because to have peace is to
have
>> resolution, to have resolution of opposing views is to have compromise,
and
>> to compromise would be a defeat in itself. i urge you all to learn about
the
>> nature of war and conflicts around the world and then speak on them.
>> speaking while ignorant gets nothing done, it only wastes time. thank
you...
>>
PhiveWayz
all for them kicking there asses. call me old fashioned or soft hearted, but im
not one to sit idly by while someone defensless(no matter who) gets picked on ,
beat up, or exterminated(as is the case). there over there killing people
merely for there culture, hitler did it years ago, would you say they should
not have stopped him. its the same thing here, there not killing violent
enemies, but innocent people and families. i say by all means blow the bullying
mofos the fuck up. someone has to be a big brother, and if its gotta be the us
then so be it.
lets say, hypotheticaly merely for the sake of arguement, that some some
country decided that kandi kidz and potheads are the root of the entire worlds
problems and decided to run a compain of annihilation on us. this is all
hypothetical. now lets say the US(doubtful as it is) decided they were gonna
take up for us because, like i said noone should be bullying anyone, they feel
for us. would you tell them to stop killing the other country, that its not
there business. no you wouldnt. and i know that would never happen and that the
US would even less likely help us but it was merely for arguments sake....phive
The Scotch-Irish-German-Dutch-American Indian-Pothead-KandE Kid
eat ur tab, drop ur hit, grab a glowstick, and get your ass on the floor
its time to flip and time for PLUR......
Dovegrrrl
PhiveWayz wrote in message <19990330180730...@ng97.aol.com>
(exerpt)...
>...lets say, hypotheticaly merely for the sake of arguement, that some some
>country decided that kandi kidz and potheads are the root of the entire
worlds
>problems and decided to run a compain of annihilation on us. this is all
- Did you ever see "Reefer Madness" ?? A woman shot to death, guy sent up
the creek on a false murder rap, woman who leaps out a window, and another
guy who's prol'ly gonna hang, all becuz they had a few weed-sticks??? Hey,
some folks still believe that kind of stuff -- "Just Say No!!!!" (to what??,
I always ask...)
No, really, I don't think there's any reality in believing that a nation of
people can just sit by and watch their loved ones get slaughtered, either,
so I don't categorically disagree with what's going on this week... even so,
I can't help but wish there was a better, less disruptive way to go about
it... sometimes there just isn't, some people/governments just won't listen
to anything but serious threats followed by violent action to stop them from
doing their own violence... both sides will still believe they're doing the
right thing under the circumstances, no matter what the end result is...
>The Scotch-Irish-German-Dutch-American Indian-Pothead-KandE Kid
>eat ur tab, drop ur hit, grab a glowstick, and get your ass on the floor
>its time to flip and time for PLUR......
...gotta keep movin'...
8^)
L. Michael Roberts
<snip>
> what in the FUCK is that supposed to mean? are you not willing to go out and
> protest for World Peace?!?! I am.. let's organize a world peace rally..
>
> we'd need a rally in every country on earth on the same day.. that's not too
> realistic but we have to set our lofty goals very VERY high!
Naaa... Let's organize a World Peace Rave!!!! We can have an event
simultaneously in every country in the world... interconnet them all via
the internet and have the profits donated to a worthy cause such as Doctors
Without Borders.
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Burlington, Ont, Canada To reply, remove 'SpamSux' from my E-ddress
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Rene Tõnisson
: Naaa... Let's organize a World Peace Rave!!!! We can have an event
: simultaneously in every country in the world... interconnet them all via
: the internet and have the profits donated to a worthy cause such as Doctors
: Without Borders.
: +==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
: This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
: Burlington, Ont, Canada To reply, remove 'SpamSux' from my E-ddress
: "Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
: +==================================================================+
World Peace Rave would be a great thing to do ... But actually there
already is one ... Earthdance :the global dance party for planetary peace.
In aid of Tibet ... Quotation from their homepage..
PLUR
--
/ Renet / re...@ut.ee http://www.ut.ee/~renet /
Larry W
Maybe in your views. There is however something called a win-win situation. What it takes is commitment to find it. I wonder if you have that commitment? I also wonder who taught you that compromise is defeat? Probably someone from an older generation that wasn’t committed to finding a win-win solution so they just forced their views on you.
i never said i was the one who though compromise was defeat. But religious people, especially Muslims believe that any compromise that goes against the Koran is defeat. i totally believe in compromise. i don't know where my views got thrown into a discussion of why conflict isn't easily resolved. that's why, because some people are unwilling to compromise. (i'm not going to spell Period)
Besides paredo optimal solutions (win-win) are possible in almost every conflict except for the ones we usually see on the news. genocide, racism, religion, and holy land disputes.
you don't know me, and i'm sure i offended you with my highly realist viewpoint. but at heart i'm an idealist and a romantic and I'd love utopia as much as the next guy. so far humans are not a unity as ravers should be. mankind is not evolved yet enough to find the utopia we enjoy and almost take for granted every Saturday at a rave. we have that micro-utopia because of the mindset that everyone is entitled to believe anything they want (even in genocide) and live their own lives as long as they allow everyone else the same right. i hope i find a fascist at the next rave i'm at, i'll make him my new best friend because in the end, unless he acts out his beliefs, what he thinks is up to him.
Dovegrrrl
with their 80% cut of the ticket sales!!! 8^))
L. Michael Roberts wrote in message
<3701A259...@laserfx.SpanSux.com>...
Yonderboy
> Yonderboy wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > what in the FUCK is that supposed to mean? are you not willing to go out and
> > protest for World Peace?!?! I am.. let's organize a world peace rally..
> >
> > we'd need a rally in every country on earth on the same day.. that's not too
> > realistic but we have to set our lofty goals very VERY high!
>
> Naaa... Let's organize a World Peace Rave!!!! We can have an event
> simultaneously in every country in the world... interconnet them all via
> the internet and have the profits donated to a worthy cause such as Doctors
> Without Borders.
>
> +==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
> This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
> Burlington, Ont, Canada To reply, remove 'SpamSux' from my E-ddress
> "Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
> +==================================================================+
hmm.. there's Earth Dance which is a rave for the Freedom of Tibet.. check here for
more info on this years Earth Dance.. http://www.earthdance.org/ ..
plur.yonderboy
That One Guy
Brian Clow wrote:
> I think that a major difference between us and the hippies is that while they
> didn't have the power to change the world, we do. It's such a different place
> now... We have the internet to spread our view to masses of people, they never had
> anything like us. Another thing: the drug of choice for hippies was acid... I
> find that on acid I make revelations, but forget them the next day. Nowadays it
> seems to be E... When you make a revelation on E, you remember it the day after,
> and you can act upon it.
>
> One thing about the hippies protesting for peace tho. What they protested
> seemed unrealistic... Even if the US and canada stay out of wars forever, there's
> not going to be world peace. The only way to achieve world peace is by force...
> Either that or all countries have to elvove to relatively democratic forms of
> government...
> Instead of going out and protesting (which even if it worked, wouldn't solve the
> problem of wars in others countries), we should all be working to achieve positions
> of power. Most ravers that I've met are intelligent, sociable people. We are the
> kind who will inherit the earth, and when we do, then we can achieve world peace.
> Trying to achieve world peace without positions of power won't work...
>
> Yonderboy wrote:
>
> > Dovegrrrl wrote:
> >
> > > I agree -- I think we like to use the technology (like this newsgroup!!)
> > > more to our own advantage, with the electronic music and all... where the
> > > hippies were more interested in "tuning out", with their acoustic music and
> > > 'shrooms and all... to mainstream society we're probably just as much a
> > > counter-culture as they were... but at least for the moment we aren't out in
> > > the streets protesting against a war or whatever (even though the way things
> > > are going right now, that could like change REAL quick...)
> > >
> > > my 2 -c-
> > >
> > > Vital key wrote in message <19990328112010...@ng-fb1.aol.com>...
> > > >i dont think we came from the hippy culuture at all. we are a completely
> > > new
> > > >era. but the ideas we have, (plur) this unity we have is similar to the
> > > >feelings the hippys had. but it is not the same, only similar. still
> > > >different in many ways.... what we need to do is find someone that was
> > > very
> > > >active in that era and see what they think.
> > > >
> > > >((matthew))
> >
> > you wrote "but at least for the moment we aren't out in the streets protesting
> > against a war or whatever.."
> >
> > what in the FUCK is that supposed to mean? are you not willing to go out and
> > protest for World Peace?!?! I am.. let's organize a world peace rally..
> >
> > we'd need a rally in every country on earth on the same day.. that's not too
> > realistic but we have to set our lofty goals very VERY high!
> >
> > I was talking about this last yesterday afternoon and last night with my Friend
> > Kai.. he's already talking to people all over the world.. attached to the rave
> > scene.. and media contacts..
> >
> > we most defenitely should be practicing what we preach.. why doesn't everybody
> > start talking to their friends.. just get people talking.. protest any way you
> > can in the mean time.. if you hear about anything on the radio or TV that's
> > interesting why not post it here to let us all know..
> >
> > if you're interested in helping organize something in your city give me an email
> > and we can discuss what day we'll be doing this and get some media attention for
> > you and other fantabulous humanity loving schtuff..
> >
> > PEACE AND LOVE!!
> > yonderboy
> > --
> > It's certainly true that second sight and visions of elementals is
> > still alive in the Celtic tradition. If you combine that with drugs
> > you run a really good risk of becoming psychotic - you just get
> > overloaded....
> > -William Irwin Thompson
> >
> > http://www.synthetic-dreams.com/friends/yonderboy
While I agree with you on the basic fact that a U.S. led protest in a single U.S.
city
will not do much, in the way of averting war in other countries. I do not agree
with the fact that we as Ravers should seek positions of power. My first reason being
that the system in which we would seek power is ultimatley corrupt, second history, a
rather good indicator of the future, has shown us that power corrupts.
If we wan't to make a difference in the world, we need to start in our local
communities.
We then need to unite our local comunities with the global environment and protest,
(read
boycottt). not just when there is a war, not only when our rights are threatend. We as
a
generation of people need to become aware of what our rights as HUMANS are, not as U.S.
Citizens or for that matter Citizens of any Nation, State or Country. I beleive that
every human
has the right to Shelter, Food, and basic Medical necessities. I am not a Marxist,
Pacifist,
Communist, Nationalist, Socialist, or any other classifcation of sociological
encampment
for that matter. I am merely saying why the FUCK do we continue to belive that a
selected
group of people the people in "Power" run our lives. This is the bigest mass deception
of all time.
We actually belive that because we are provided with food and shelter by a system of
commerce
that uses cheap labor and world markets to ensure world econmic dominance and
prosperity, that
everything is O.K. We feel no pain so everything is good as long as we can listen to
our MUSIC.
What about people that don't have the prosperity of the U.S. and Europe. Where will
they find
the resources or the freedom to DANCE. What will happen when we as a generation are
deemed
"economically unviable", when Rave is no longer all the craze and it goes back to the
underground
from where it came. I belevie that everything will be OK when I can see other people
Celebrating
Life in other countries world wide. Let's work individually for personal freedom world
wide and
give people a reason to celebrate life, in whatever form the choose if it's Techno
better still if not
let them celebrate. We as a generation have been bred to be entertained choose your
entertainment
wisely. Power is not the answer, empowerment is a STATE of Mind, not a State that you
live in.
Peace, Love, Unity, Respect
DJ Brain
intelligent, sociable people. "
Well, That one guy pretty much proved it with saying " I am not a Marxist,
Pacifist, Communist, Nationalist, Socialist, or any other classification of
sociological encampment for that matter. I am merely saying why the FUCK do
run our lives. This is the biggest mass deception of all time." and "Power
is not the answer, empowerment is a STATE of Mind, not a State that you live
in."
This just goes to show you.. ravers are really intelligent people, yet are
very Down to earth (the use of FUCK for example). Vote Carl Cox for
President! ;c)
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