PMA Epidemic..Greetings!!
Pockets
My name is Pockets and I am an Ohio raver. I look forward to
conversing
with fellow defenders of PLUR!!
It is no secret that PMA sold as ecstasy has led to disatrous and
sometimes
deadly results. I nearly died from a PMA overdose a few months ago
when I foolishly snorted two pills one after the other, assuming they
were rolls.
It is also widely assumed that in the 60's, poisoned LSD was produced
by the
government to A)Kill innocent hippies B)Help strengthen their scare
tactics
campaign.
My question is this: What are the chances that PMA as X is government
issue?
I firmly believe this is a possiblity. What are your opinions? I
apologize in advance if this topic has already been discussed in the
past.
Peace,
Pockets
I live in a pineapple under the sea
Stanley Jones
> issue?
I think it's a long shot.
The drugs are already illegal and the "War on Drugs", though discussed with
strong disdain among liberal types, is still raging hard. I don't think
that the government needs to distribute PMA to make any points.
Of course, I also question the whole "kill innocent hippies" story as well.
Exactly who in "The Government" is doing this? Senators, trying to pass
their bills? The Drug Enforcement Administration, trying to secure more
funding? The Center for Disease Control, trying to boost mortality numbers?
They all might have the power, but what's the motive?
At any rate, welcome to alt.rave...
Keep shinin',
Stan
p.s. Also, you know when you snort crushed pills you're getting 90% buffer?
Chris/Filter *=0)
> My question is this: What are the chances that PMA as X is government
> issue?
even the US govt. wouldn't do that, they have no need to. They really don't
care about a few pills, they pretend to to keep right-wing puritans happy,
but it means jack-shit to them.
Erika RollerGirl
>My name is Pockets and I am an Ohio raver. I look forward to
>conversing
>with fellow defenders of PLUR!!
Welcome Pockets! I find myself thinking that it's rather odd that I can
actually say I know of 2 ravers named Pockets now. Do you happen to know the
Pockets that lives in DC? It's probably just a big coincidence but welcome
anyway and post post post!
:)
*hugs*
Erika RollerGirl
Sean Byrne
"Stanley Jones" <s...@ecn.purdue.edu> wrote in message
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>
> p.s. Also, you know when you snort crushed pills you're getting 90%
buffer?
Maybe I'm slow again this morning Stan, but what do you mean by this?
Surely when you ingest pills you're getting 90% buffer as well?
Later
Sean
>
Pockets
> Of course, I also question the whole "kill innocent hippies" story as well.
My most reliable source that this was going on in the 60's came from
The Man Himself: Timothy Leary. It is discussed in his autobiography
"Flashbacks". He had a close friend who died from poisoned LSD,
although I no longer have the book and cannot remember the gentleman's
name. I think if anyone knew what was going on then, it was Mr. Leary.
> They all might have the power, but what's the motive?
I think it is dangerous to assume the government is not doing anything
we don't know about. Their motive is primarily scare tactics, but I'm
not about to claim I know the Government's motives. But remember, to a
large majority, we are very much the enemy, and I would never rule out
genocide as a primary factor in this "War on Drugs".
Thanks for the warm greeting, all!! Rollergirl: No I don't know
another Pockets, but I did meet a local DJ who had heard of him (DJ
Pez). How did the other Pockets get his name? I got mine because at
parties, I have literally everything a raver could need in my
pockets..my pants are so heavy at parties I have to keep pulling them
up!!
Peace,
Pockets
Sideshow Bob
time in 4 years of doing (e), i finally had PMA by accident. We tested the
pills, but PMA on a tester shows no color change, so when we saw some black,
we thought we were all clear to go. Good thing i only had 4 and my friend
had 5 pills. We were also doing some coke after about 2 hours. By 5 hours
after eating them, we knew something was wrong, and 18 hours after eating
the first pill, we had come down.
It was the most intense mental challenge of a comedown ever in my life. I
almost went into cardiac arrest twice, blood so thin we were bleeding all
over, and a mental headfuck that makes you want to end your own life rather
than deal with it
That was the last time i did a pill, now i've quit doing mush, acid, coke,
e, percs, demerol, ketamine, and everything else i was doing.. hell, i even
quit smoking cigarettes..
Do yourself a favour, be careful, look after yourself, and look after
eachother..
Peace
-=:EPoC:=-
www.ravehard.com
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Stanley Jones
True, but the buffer is *supposed* to dissolve in your stomach. It doesn't
act as a buffer if it's snorted.
Parachutes are wonderful if you're jumping out of an airplane; if you're
jumping off a diving board, they just get in the way.
Keep shinin',
Stan
Stanley Jones
> we don't know about.
Oh no, I'm sure that they do all sorts of nefarious things that we don't
know anything about. I totally agree with you there. My reservation is
that I don't understand why they would target users of MDMA specifically.
Ecstasy is known by the government to be a White Middle-to-Upper Class drug.
The reason that they're doing so much advertising to scare people away from
it is because they can't go after it gung-ho like they can for crack. I
don't see so many specials on how dangerous crack is on CBS, NBC, MTV, etc.
Even at events, people aren't getting arrested for being *on* E. Selling
it, testing it, promoting the events, all seem to be game. But for some
reason (again, my hypothesis is the demographic) cops don't seem to go after
the users so much--compare this to Marijuana which attracts police officers
like Spanish Fly.
So again, I'm willing to believe you. I am just curious as to what you
think the *motive* of putting PMA into pills would be. I guess I don't buy
the "they hate us" argument.
Keep shinin',
Stan
Sean Byrne
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>
>
>
> > Of course, I also question the whole "kill innocent hippies" story as
well.
>
> My most reliable source that this was going on in the 60's came from
> The Man Himself: Timothy Leary.
Timothy Leary is *not* a reliable source IMO...
>It is discussed in his autobiography
> "Flashbacks". He had a close friend who died from poisoned LSD,
> although I no longer have the book and cannot remember the gentleman's
> name. I think if anyone knew what was going on then, it was Mr. Leary.
One guy dies int he 60s from poisoned LSD and that indicates a government
plot?
puhleeasse... there are many ways that dude could have ended up with *bad*
LSD - it was for the most part made in underground labs, which where hardly
models of scientific expertise..
>
> > They all might have the power, but what's the motive?
>
> I think it is dangerous to assume the government is not doing anything
> we don't know about.
Fair call... those in power should always be keenly watched.
> Their motive is primarily scare tactics, but I'm
> not about to claim I know the Government's motives. But remember, to a
> large majority, we are very much the enemy, and I would never rule out
> genocide as a primary factor in this "War on Drugs".
See this is where you lose me... politicians started the "was on drugs"
because in their misguided minds they were *helping* the people.
A number of governments have already come to the realisation that
prohibition doesn't work any better for drugs than it does for alcohol...
ironic that the US has forgotten the lessons learnt back in the 20s.
Unfortunately it will be a while before the damage done by the political
'marketing' hype about the *evils* of drugs is overcome...
>
> Thanks for the warm greeting, all!!
Heh... it's a friendly wee place ol' alt.rave... welcome aboard :)
later
Sean
Pockets
> last November me and a friend gobbled down some pills, and for the first
> time in 4 years of doing (e), i finally had PMA by accident. We tested the
> pills, but PMA on a tester shows no color change, so when we saw some black,
> we thought we were all clear to go. Good thing i only had 4 and my friend
> had 5 pills. We were also doing some coke after about 2 hours. By 5 hours
> after eating them, we knew something was wrong, and 18 hours after eating
> the first pill, we had come down.
>
> It was the most intense mental challenge of a comedown ever in my life. I
> almost went into cardiac arrest twice, blood so thin we were bleeding all
> over, and a mental headfuck that makes you want to end your own life rather
> than deal with it
>
> That was the last time i did a pill, now i've quit doing mush, acid, coke,
> e, percs, demerol, ketamine, and everything else i was doing.. hell, i even
> quit smoking cigarettes..
>
> Do yourself a favour, be careful, look after yourself, and look after
> eachother..
>
> Peace
> -=:EPoC:=-
> www.ravehard.com
If feel you, bro....the shit is bad. If the powers that be aren't
involved, then who are these sadistic fucks who are intentionally
killing kids? Whoever it is, they need shot ASAP. The same thing
happened to me, except for some stupid reason I still take the risk
every time I drop. You're doing the smart thing by quitting..and more
power to you for it.
Finally, someone who knows what Mush is and calls it "Mush"!! In Ohio,
it is quite popular..I have tried it once just out of curiousity..and
I NEVER will again....what a nightmare! I couldn't even read for three
days after!!
Peace,
Pockets
I live in a Pineapple under the sea
Pockets
This may be true...but with me I'm very impatient. I like snorting
because of the fact that you are rolling nice and strong only a few
minutes later. If I have the choice, I'd rather it hit me all at once
rather than gradually...just my 2 cents...;)
Peace,
Pockets
I'm yellow, absorbent, and porous
Anthony Hodges
> sometimes
> deadly results. I nearly died from a PMA overdose a few months ago
> when I foolishly snorted two pills one after the other, assuming they
> were rolls.
>
>
> My question is this: What are the chances that PMA as X is government
> issue?
> I firmly believe this is a possiblity. What are your opinions? I
> apologize in advance if this topic has already been discussed in the
> past.
>
It is my understaning that PMA comes from the chemists when they fuck up the
MDMA batch. PMA would more likely come from a small-time drug ring.
Bottom line is, you know that everything is risky shit. Test what ever you
have and don't risk it if it the results are negative.
A problem of a similar magnitude is happening here in Melbourne (Australia)
whereby many people are mixing Aurorix with MDxx. For those who don't know,
Aurorix is a MAOI. MAOI + MDxx => A great high, then potentially death from
Seratonin Syndrome!!!
Chris/Filter *=0)
(Australia)
> whereby many people are mixing Aurorix with MDxx. For those who don't
know,
> Aurorix is a MAOI. MAOI + MDxx => A great high, then potentially death
from
> Seratonin Syndrome!!!
It was in Melbourne that I got seriously fucked up on PMA.. couple of days
later we were back clubbing and running parties, but for a while there it
was nasty! Love Melbourne, plan to move back there for a few years once I
reach my late 20's.. It's like one big Camden in the sun!
Anthony Hodges
Simply put. Melbourne rocks!!!
Curse that PMA though.
Chris/Filter *=0)
Certainly does, head to Filter @ The lounge on swanston st in the CBD on
wednesdays.. all-nighter, nice balcony, wicked acid techno.. ah, I remember
when dave the drummer played for us!! wicked night just after the st kilda
festival..
Although my friends there say the underground had died a bit over there..
gonna have to bring some london underground clubbing with me if I ever make
it back out there!
Anthony Hodges
The scene is steadily becoming more commercial. More and more people are
getting dragged into Hard NRG or Power Trance. Most of the time, I like to
have my tunes running a little slower than 160bpm.
Wednesday nights are pretty bad for me, so I have never checked that place
out. The best party of all is when they hold them at Kryal Castle (about
120kms out of the city). Only problem, if you don't dance, you'll freeze!
Chris/Filter *=0)
> getting dragged into Hard NRG or Power Trance. Most of the time, I like
to
> have my tunes running a little slower than 160bpm.
>
> Wednesday nights are pretty bad for me, so I have never checked that place
> out. The best party of all is when they hold them at Kryal Castle (about
> 120kms out of the city). Only problem, if you don't dance, you'll freeze!
Ah, Kryal Castle was definetly a mad night!
My mates seem to think that there should be more underground, quality hard
trance.. and a little less hard kandy style trancing.. apparently there's
too much techno as well!
Anthony Hodges
The best place for quality hard trance has to be @mosphere. They are now
located at the old Bass Station venue. It's true that the Melbourne scene
is heavily polarised. It's either Kandy Trance or Techno.
I've got to get out and see the rest of the world too at some stage. I
really want to go do the love parade next year. But can I save money, that
is the question? Ha ha.
Jack Harris
I think that certainly in the UK, underground hard trance is the way
the popular clubbing will go. Gone are the luvved-up PLUR early-90's
days; disgustingly hard UK techno/acid/trance is now coming to light.
I personally favour a GABBA revolution in the UK. 220bpm+ madness,
pounding away in underground cellars in the cities, only a single
neon-blue strobe light pulsing in time with the music. The room packed
to the brim with methamphetamine-crazed (it happened in the US - like
it or not it'll happen here) nutters pushing their bodies to the point
of collapse in an effort to keep up. No bar, no chill out room, no
seats. A dirty tap in the corner is jammed on, with a supply of
bottles nearby. The security, comparable in size to small whales,
simply look on from the DJ booth, occasionally kicking the shit out of
dickheads and taking those who've collapsed to the back room. The DJ,
dreadlocks trailing over the imported Dutch vinyl (which has since
been declared illegal), thrashes the decks to within in an inch of
their life.
Twisted it may be, but that's the fantasy I have of my dream night
out.
Jack.
valerie j.
>I personally favour a GABBA revolution in the UK. 220bpm+ madness,
>pounding away in underground cellars in the cities, only a single
>neon-blue strobe light pulsing in time with the music. The room packed
>to the brim with methamphetamine-crazed (it happened in the US - like
>it or not it'll happen here) nutters pushing their bodies to the point
>of collapse in an effort to keep up. No bar, no chill out room, no
>seats. A dirty tap in the corner is jammed on, with a supply of
>bottles nearby. The security, comparable in size to small whales,
>simply look on from the DJ booth, occasionally kicking the shit out of
>dickheads and taking those who've collapsed to the back room. The DJ,
>dreadlocks trailing over the imported Dutch vinyl (which has since
>been declared illegal), thrashes the decks to within in an inch of
>their life.
that sounds really fucking horrible.
like it could quite possibly be the worst night of my life if i were to attend
something like that, which i wouldn't.
valerie
y0y0 The Magic Yellow Jello Jellybean
to....odd...I can really visualize his party, and can totally see it! :)
~Matthias
"My mind is glowing..."
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