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Bill Clinton: Worst mass murder in US History

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Feb 15, 2007, 3:27:55โ€ฏAM2/15/07
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He even has Henry Lee Lucas beat.
One day he will pay the ultimate price for these killings.


The Clinton Body Count is a list people , who in one way or another . Were
connected to him.

These people have died and been killed in so many strange ways . They have
met with a demise in suspicious circumstances . Is it possible that Mr.
Clinton could be the number one mass murderer in the U.S. history of
America. This was our PRESIDENT sitting in the WHITE HOUSE !

Read the list of names and you decide what more evidence did we need back
then to Impeach him . This man who had the worst and corrupt term as
president .

1. JAMES McDOUGAL - Bank Embezzlement crook, Clinton's convicted Whitewater
partner. Died 3-8-98 of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary
confinement, serving 3-yr sentence for bank fraud. He was going to be a key
witness in Ken Starr's investigation and died while the reporters who were
covering him were away covering a sudden, new standoff in Waco, (which, when
he died, suddenly went away.) Jim McDougal suffered a heart attack that was
brought on by the diuretics forced on him. They took him out of solitary as
he collapsed, then left him alone in the medical wing. Instead of attempting
to defibrillate his heart with equipment on hand at the

facility, he was taken on a LONG drive to John Peter Smith hospital. Not the
closest hospital to the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center, JPS is a welfare
hospital, where (in the words of one local,) "they let interns practice on
deadbeats".

The single most damning fact to come out of the McDougal death was his
injection with Lasix, a diuretic, to force his giving a urine sample for
drug testing, even though McDougal was not a known drug case, and Lasix is
contra-indicated in cases of heart disease. Lasix can cause excessive
dieresis, blood volume reduction, circulatory collapse, and vascular
thrombosis, or blood clots. If a matching potassium supplement is not
administered at the same time, Lasix can kill. McDougal may have been taking
the heart medication Digitalin (foxglove) which cannot be combined with
Lasix. Several inmates had gone public with the claim that McDougal was
given a heavy injection of Lasix right after he ate lunch, but the prison
system has refused to allow those prisoners to beinterviewed nor have they
released McDougal's medical records.

2. SANDY HUME - Journalist. On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the
28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his
Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an
"apparent" suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this
story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand
public scrutiny. Indeed, it was reported in Associated Press that the
Arlington Police were not responding to any inquiries.

Hume was a reporter for The Hill magazine, newspaper about Congress for
Congress, and had broken a major story in 1997 regarding the friction
between House Speaker Newt Gingrich and a faction led by Representative
Paxon (who mysteriously announced his resignation just 24 hours after Hume's
death).

In addition, Sandy Hume had just joined the staff at Fox TV News and was
just three weeks into a job that represented the pinnacle of his young
career. Oddly enough, aside from echoing the one Associated Press story, the
Fox News website has ignored the death of its newest commentator.

Sandy already had a reputation for getting the story that nobody else wanted
to look at. It is worth noting that his death came hard on the heels of
reports that "a reporter" was about to break a story confirming the White
House's use of investigators to dig up dirt on critics and investigators.

It has been confirmed that the man who performed the as-yet-unreleased
autopsy is none other than Dr. James C. Beyer, who has a record of
concealing homicides behind a ruling of suicide. Kenneth Starr's
"suicidologist" Dr. Alan L. Berman has waded in again and, as he did in the
Foster death, ruled it "100% certain that this is a suicide and can be
nothing else".

3. DANNY CASOLARO - Investigative Reporter, investigating Mena Airport CIA
drug transport, Arkansas coke trade and CIA's INSLAW 'PROMIS' software.
Warned his family that he'd learned too much, and that "they" would try to
get him and not to believe it was suicide if he turned up dead. Found with
slit wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation. Danny was
a free-lance reporter and writer who was on to all the secrets of the
"October Surprise", the BCCI banking scandal, the Secret Government OCTOPUS,
and the infamous INSLAW super secret software that super spook William Casey
had stolen from its inventor (so that CIA could sell it to banks and
discover all the secret funds politicians have stashed in bank accounts
across the world. PROMIS allow them not only find out how many dollars, they
had the ability to make wire transfers and take the money back, and then
they forced crooked politicos to leave office. Danny Casolaro had confided
to pals that he had the real stuff on PROMIS, the CIA's OCTUPUS, MENA and
how Clinton had worked for Bush and Reagan and Casey, the NSC and all those
people hiding under the White House. His mistake was using a telephone which
must have been bugged. He was found dead in a bathtub in a Sheraton Hotel
room in Martinsburg, VA near DC, where he stayed while keeping appointments
pertinent to his investigation. He had told his friends that 'they' would
try to kill him and that if he died, not to believe it was suicide. He was
found with his wrists slashed a dozen times. All his research materials were
missing and have never been recovered.

FINKS, INVESTIGATORS AND WITNESSES' SOCIETY

4. PAUL WILCHER - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport, also an
earlier REAGAN SCANDAL, called "the OCTOBER SURPRISE," found dead on a
toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. At the time of his
death, Paul was investigating connections between the "October Surprise"
during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gun-running out of
Mena, Arkansas, as well as the BATF assault on the Waco, Texas Branch
Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his
findings. He had delivered a 105-page affidavit to Janet Reno detailing the
evidence he had collected regarding the drug operation at Mena, just three
weeks before his death.

5. LARRY GUERRIN - killed in February 1987 while investigating the INSLAW
case. 6. ALAN STANDORF - An employee of the National Security Agency in
electronic intelligence who leaked info to Danny Casalaro who was
investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc. Standorf's body was found in the backseat
of a car at Washington National Airport on Jan 31, 1991.

7. DENNIS EISMAN - An attorney with information on INSLAW. Eisman was found
shot to death on April 5, 1991.

8 thru 12. IAN SPIRO AND FAMILY - Spiro had supporting documentation for
grand jury proceedings on the INSLAW case. His wife and 3 children were
found murdered on November 1, 992 in their home. They all died of gunshot
wounds to the head. Ian's body was found several days later in a parked car
in the Borego Desert. Cause of death? The ingestion of cyanide. Declared a
murder/suicide.

Clinton Interns with the initial "M"

13. CHRISTINE M. MIRZAYAN - Clinton Intern, died August 1st, l998. Her death
went unnoticed by the world. She was beaten to death with a heavy object
near Georgetown University. What makes us think BILL's thugs did it? In the
pre-trial publicity surrounding Paula Jones lawsuit, Newsweek's Mike Isikoff
dropped hints that a "former White House staffer" with the initial "M" was
about to go public with her story of sexual harassment at 1600

Pennsylvania Ave. They were LOOKING for the DIVINE MISS M, and sure enough,
shortly afterwards, gunmen entered the Georgetown Washington D.C. Starbuck's
and shot #14 below .

14. MARY MAHONEY - This former White House intern was murdered July 1997
just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the
White House. An attractive 25 year old woman, Mary was a former White House
Intern for Bill Clinton working as the Assistant Manager at Starbuck's.

Sadly, Mary's two associate coffee clerks, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory
Evans, 25, were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in
her, from at least two different guns, most likely with silencers. A total
of ten shots were fired; none of them heard by neighbors in the densely
populated Georgetown section. Mary was shot in the chest, her face, and in
the back of the head.

Someone wanted her very dead. Or to send a message. Even though more than
$4000 remained in the store, the police have categorized the triple murder
as a robber, even as they acknowledge the "execution style" killings.

There was no sign of forced entry, which means that the killers were let in
(at least one hour after closing) by either Mary of one of the employees.
That means that the killers included at least one person known to the
victims or were very upper class types. One report is that the Starbuck's
was still locked when the bodies were found the next morning.

Now, ROBBERS don't bother locking doors!

Of course, Mike Isikoff's "former White House staffer" finally surfaced and
its NOT Mary Mahoney, or Christine Mirzayan but Monica Lewinsky. If the
killing of Mary Mahoney was to Silence a "bimbo eruption", imagine how
tragically wacky that the hitmen actually got the wrong two women! (Also,
just how many of the interns was Clinton getting oral service from anyway??)

VINCENT FOSTER

THE MOST FAMOUS STIFF

15. Vincent Foster White House Counsel, Hillary's longtime co-worker/friend,
maybe co-depositor on her Swiss Accounts, maybe even lover, her closest
associate at Little Rock's ROSE LAW FIRM, which would make THE FIRM in the
"THE FIRM" MOVIE with TOM CRUISE look like a coven of PIXIES. ROSE FIRM was
basically a bunch of greedy influence peddlers. i.e., "how much ya wanna pay
to get this law through, or get to this politico?"

Vince was mixed up with Israel, on their payroll, (fronting for Billary?)
stashing cash in Switzerland, which was found out the week he died,
7/21/93 - Found dead in a public park in DC of a supposed suicide by
gunshot.

A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, in his briefcase,
after his office had been entered by white house staff.

The torn into pieces "suicide" note, (leaked despite official efforts to
keep it from view) has since been revealed to be a forgery.

The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in
his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no
gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the
investigation of it. Only print on gun not his. 3" exit hole in back top
head but no brains on the ground.

An FBI memo has surfaced dated the day after the date of the official
autopsy, in which the autopsy official informs the FBI that there was NO
exit wound. And Foster had an unreported gunshot wound to his neck which had
nothing to do with hole on top. So everything is screwy as if a gang of
people had all tried to do separate cover-ups.

Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons' personal finances. All
Hillary's files were removed from his home hours after his death. Foster was
implicated by this JUGGERNAUT investigation of their finances.

Also, he'd had his own Swiss accounts raided, emptied. He'd reportedly made
a phone call to Hillary just hours before his death. Foster was distraught
that week and probably also had called Bill complaining. A supposed Fifth
Column independent vigilante group had discovered his Swiss bank stash.
Group was really a phalange of the FBI or CIA, which used the INSLAW
software to penetrate Swiss banks then dethrone politicos for graft or
CONTROL THEM with blackmail. Vince had almost certainly gone to Clinton
demanding protection, threatening exposure.

DEAD COMMERCE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS

16. RON BROWN - Minutes away from having to testify against Clinton. He was
way high up, Secretary of Commerce and former Democratic National Committee
Chairman, but they killed him and 35 other people. Said to have died by
impact in a plane crash but pathologist close to the investigation reported
that there was a hole in the back of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot
wound! At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, had spoken
publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

His death brought to an end his ability to testify. As of this writing,
Judicial Watch has petitioned for the investigation into on Brown's dealings
to be expanded to include his death. (NOTE: Ron also belongs on the dead
fund raisers list as that was his first job for Clinton.)

Regarding this crash, THE WALL STREET UNDERGROUND, (Nicholas A. Guerino was
the newsletter publisher) compiled a detailed and revealing report. His
evidence led him to the conclusion that the radio beacon guiding Air Force-2
was deliberately diverted to send the plane into the mountain.

Among the incredible anomalies that he cites is the fact that, on orders
from high, the customary air safety investigation of plane crashes was
killed. Croatian, Russian, and French TV and the U.S. European command in
Stuttgart, Germany announced that the 'black boxes' containing the flight
date recorder and the cockpit voice recorder were recovered and delivered to
the U.S. Marines.

However, Pentagon brass later denied this and stated that Air Force-2 was
not equipped with flight data and voice recorders (Interestingly, an LA talk
radio station took a call from a man who identified himself as the
electronics technical expert who stated that he personally installed the
'black boxes' in AirForce-2 and completely ridiculed the Pentagon statement
that the plane that had carried Hillary Clinton less than two weeks earlier
on her trip to Europe was suddenly not equipped with flight date and voice
recorders.

Also odd, Maintenance Chief Niko Jerkuic, in charge of the radio beacon that
guided guided Air Force-2 into that mountain committed 'suicide' shortly
after the crash by shooting himself in the chest. Cilipi's air traffic
controller also commits suicide and the tapes of the control tower
disappear. That makes 35 dead on the plane, 2 on ground. 37 that we're not
going to put on the MAIN LIST of 85 dead. But there is a body we should
count.

17. SHELLY KELLY - Air Force Stewardess who is riding in the tail of the
plane, sustains only minor cuts and bruises, and was able to board a rescue
helicopter without assistance. She later dies at the hospital from loss of
blood. According to journalist Joe L. Jordan, an autopsy revealed a neat
three-inch incision over her main femoral artery that was inflicted at least
three hours after all her other cuts and bruises. Clinton hastily ordered
all bodies of the victims to be cremated.

18. BARBARA WISE - Commerce Department Staffer. Died 11/29/96 - As the
scandals continued to swirl around the Commerce Department, and most of all
about John Huang, one of Hang's associates, Barbara Wise, was found dead in
her locked office at the Department of Commerce, partially nude and covered
with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced. Oddly enough,
following the discovery of her body, Bill Clinton made an unscheduled return
to the White House from Camp David, claiming he needed a book of poetry in
order to complete his inauguration speech. She was a looker so maybe Barbara
belongs on the Babe list? Well, who says you can't belong to two lists at
the same time?

19. CHARLES MEISSNER - Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International
Economic Policy. Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a
Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security
clearance. Who gave it to him? Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Charles
Meissner died in the crash of a small plane.

FOLLOW THE MONEY DEPARTMENT

FUND-RAISERS ACTUALLY NAMED

"RAISER"

20. VICTOR RAISER II - National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President
Campaign.

21. MONTGOMERY RAISER - Son of Victor. Both men died, 7-30-92, in a private
plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition. No cause was ever
determined. Five others not connected to Clinton died with them. - DeeDee
Meyers described Raiser as a "major player" in the Clinton organization.
Victor Raiser was also chairman of Mobile Telecomm Technologies Corp., whose
subsidiary, SkyTel Corp. is an international paging company used by federal
police agencies such as the FBI. Victor Raiser was a Washington lawyer and
he was counsel to the Washington law firm of Jones Day Reavis & Pogue until
1991. At his death, he was the national finance co-chairman of the Clinton
for President Campaign and the campaign's press secretary. He and his wife
had been friends of the Clintons for ten years. He was the past national
finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He served on the
boards of the Democratic Business Council and the Center for National Policy
and the board of advisers of the Democratic Leadership Council. On May 29,
1993, President Clinton announced that he had selected Raiser's widow, Molly
Raiser, 50, former Democratic co-chair of the Women's Campaign Fund, to be
his protocol chief and stated that he planned to nominate her for
confirmation as an ambassador.

The "No Good Deed Shall Go Unpunished" Society

more CLINTON FUND-RAISERS

22. PAUL TULLY - Democratic National Committee Political Director. Died
9/24/92. Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas of "unknown
causes." No autopsy allowed . Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and
trusted advisor."

23. DUANE GARRETT - Radio Host and Al Gore fund raiser. Died: 7/26/95 - A
lawyer and a talk show host for KGO-AM in San Francisco, Duane was the
campaign finance chairman for Diane Feinstein's run for the senate, and was
a friend and fundraiser for Al Gore. According to Garrett's lawyer; Garrett
was under investigation for defrauding investors in Garrett's failed sports
memorabilia venture. There was talk of a deal to evade prosecution. On July
26th, Garrett canceled an afternoon meeting with his lawyer because he had
to meet some people at the S.F airport. Three hours later he was found
floating in the bay under the Golden Gate Bridge.

24. HERSHEL FRIDAY - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994
when his plane exploded. I'm torn between putting him in the Dead Lawyer's
Society and the Dead Fund Raisers. This man knew CLINTON and was a lawyer
AND a fundraiser so he belongs on a list all his own. The Dumb Sonovabitch
society. He statistically shoulda seen it coming.

25. ED WILLEY - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the
woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey
died on the same day his grieving wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton
groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in
several Clinton fund raising events. Kathleen would have been killed if
she'd given notice she was going public with her Bill tidbit, but she
learned from her husband's mistake and DID NOT give notice. She smartly went
public .

The Wisdom of NOT Keeping Little BLACK BOOKS Dept.

26. JERRY LUTHER PARKS - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in
Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside
Little Rock. died: 9/26/93 - Shot through the rear window of his car. The
assailant then pulled around to the driver's side of Park's car and shot him
three more times with a 9mm pistol. Traffic anxiety? Freeway sniper?

Whaddya bet it was a BILLIE BOY HIT SQUAD! Parks' family reported that
shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and
their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). When
news of the discovery of Vincent Foster's body came over the news, Pa is
reported to have said,"Bill Clinton is cleaning house". Parks had been
compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen
before he died.

27. JAMES BUNCH - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a
"Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited
prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

28. JAMES WILSON - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging
suicide, reported to have ties to Whitewater and files full of info.

29. JON PARNELL WALKER - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp.
August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal. Mysteriously
fell to his death from an apartment balcony. He was excited about this new
apartment which was being fixed up for him, and was just visiting it, not
living there yet, the same apartment which was alleged to have been a secret
getaway which Foster may have visited.

"THREATEN TO BLAB" WITNESS RELOCATION PROGRAM SCHOLARSHIP

RECIPIENTS

30. KATHY FERGUSON - Ex-wife of CLINTON regular, Trooper Danny Furguson.
Died 5/94 of a supposed gunshot suicide in her living room. Bullet in head.
There was a suicide note found by the body. However, friends were surprised
at having noticed nothing wrong previously. And even more curious, found
nearby were several packed suitcases, as if she expected she was going
somewhere. A lot of these Clinton stiffs have had other things on their mind
when they suddenly say 'oops, maybe I should kill myself.' Kathy was the
former wife of Arkansas state trooper Danny Ferguson, who is alleged to have
escorted Paula Corbin Jones to the hotel room for her alleged episode of
sexual harassment by then-Governor Clinton. Ferguson's wife was reported as
a possible corroborating witness for Ms. Jones. Danny Ferguson is a
co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones's sexual
harassment suit. His ex-wife was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms.
Jones.

31. BILL SHELTON - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.
Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June,
1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his
fiancee. His crime? Making a fuss about his girl getting murdered.

32. CALVIN WALRAVEN - 24 years old, Walraven was a key witness in Jocelyn
Elder's son's drug case. Ten days after Elder's son was convicted of
trafficking in cocaine, Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a
gunshot blast to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman says
"no foul play is suspected."

33. NEIL MOODY - son of Vince Foster's Widow's new husband. Died Aug. 25,
1996 Following Vincent Foster's murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a
judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went
to jail for contempt, Judge Moor's son, Neil died in a car crash. There were
other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among
his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it
just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. He was
alleged to have been

talking to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post about a blockbuster story.
Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another
person just prior to HIS old clunker CAR SUDDENLY SPEEDING OFF OUT OF
CONTROL AND HITTING A BRICK WALL.

34. RON MILLER - Died October 12th 1997, investigated by authorities over
the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was
the man who tape recorded CLINTON FUND RAISERS Gene and Nora Lum and turned
those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight
investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance
violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their contributions
to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron
Brown's son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him
to the Commerce Secretary, according to Nolanda Hill's testimony. Reportedly
a healthy man, Ron suddenly took ill on October 3rd, 97 and steadily
worsened until his death 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning
which only intelligence uses as it leaves no traces. KGB uses it.

Common Castor seed plant. Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors
at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma
State Medical Examiner's Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's
Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has refused
to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed
but Ricin is very evaporative.

NOW, IN RING THREE... THE MENA

AIRPORT CIA FLYING FOOLS

35. BARRY SEAL - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, now known to have
been a drug runner for the CIA, reportedly kept in contact with Bill
Clinton's head of security at the governor's mansion, Raymond "Buddy" Young,
the ex rodeo clown who is now the number 2 man at FEMA.

Following his fall from CIA grace, Barry was sentenced to live at a YMCA by
a judge who also prohibited Barry Seal to either have any guns or to employ
any bodyguards. Corruption doesn't become any more obvious than this. Barry
was gunned down with machine gun fire in the parking lot of the YMCA.

In violation of the court order, Barry had hired bodyguards who worked a
rotation schedule. But the bodyguard who was to be there when Barry was
killed never showed up. That bodyguard was a former associate (meaning drug
pilot) of Barry's named William "Bear" Bottoms. Bottoms continues to this
very day to prowl the internet insisting that there never was any drug
running operation at Mena, Arkansas.

36. Anonymous Mena Aircraft Mechanic - Barry Seal's aircraft mechanic at
Mena (name unknown as of this time) died March 21, 1995 of an "overdose of
mouthwash". (?) Must be a redneck thang. Regarded by local authorities as an
obvious homicide.

AND THE CHILD-VICTIMS OF THE MENA TRAGEDY

37. KEVIN IVES & 38. DON HENRY - Known as "The boys on the track" case.
Reports say the two 16 year old children may have stumbled upon the Mena
Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of
death was due to falling asleep on railroad track, Aug 23, l987. The State
Medical Examiner, Fahmy Malak said so. This coroner turns up time and time
again, lying for the state. Later when parents made a fuss, forensic reports
showed the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Later it
was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on
the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back.

Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon part of the Mena drug
operation which went on when Clinton was Governor.

BUT WAIT, the full cast of MENA ain't OVER. What about the EXTRAS? "The MENA
EIGHT." The following Arkansas citizens were all MURDERED, just for
volunteering that they had INFORMATION ON THE "two DEAD BOYS" CASE that they
volunteered to give a grand jury.

39. KEITH CONEY - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck
while being chased by a car. Ruled traffic accident. July, 1988. Keith had
information on the Ives/Henry deaths.

40. KEITH McKASKLE - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988. McKaskle had
information on the Ives/Henry deaths, had told his family someone wasout to
kill him and told them "good bye".

41. GREGORY COLLINS - Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died
from a gunshot blast to the face in January 1989. Declared a suicide.

42. PAUL OLSON - A Federal witness in investigations to drug money
corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished 2 days of FBI
interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on
Sept 8 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994 Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the
FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.

43. JEFF RHODES - He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry &
McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died
of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation,
specifically that his hands and feet had been partially sawn off, leading to
the speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed. The body was
then burned.

44. JAMES MILAN - had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was
decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death
due to "natural causes," claiming that the victim's small dog had eaten the
head, which was later recovered from a trash bin several blocks away.

45. RICHARD WINTERS - was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry, and had
offered to cooperate and give INFORMATION. SEE DUMB DICK, SEE DUMB DICK DIE.
He was killed by a shotgun blast to the face during a "robbery" in July 1989
which was subsequently proven to be a setup. Parenthetically, Dan Harmon,
the Prosecutor who Winters reportedly made the offer to, has since been
implicated in the Kevin/Ives deaths and is now in jail for running his
office as a racket.

46. JORDAN KETTLESON - had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was
found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990. Have you
ever heard of any law case in HISTORY where 8 witnesses died? Some serious
cui bonum here. That's "who benefits" in Latin, meaning, who would go to all
that trouble UNLESS they benefitted?

EX-BODYGUARDS' CLUB (NINE OF 'EM) the

"SEMPER FIDELIS ALBEIT DEFUNCTUS" Squadron

47. STEVE WILLIS 48. ROBERT WILLIALMS 49. CONWAY LE BLEU 50. TODDY
McKEEHAN

These four died in the SAME MINUTE, 2/28/93 "executed" by gunfire in the
Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. - All four were examined by a
"private doctor" and determined to have died from nearly identical wounds to
the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson,
videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by
Branch Davidians.

In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on
March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with
the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who
were killed in WACO -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans;
Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little
Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of
the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas office
of the ATF confirmed that all four

had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was
campaigning for President, and while he had been governor of Arkansas.

51. STAFF SGT. BRIAN HANLEY (or HANEY or Hassey) - Clinton bodyguard.

52. MARINE SGT. TIM SABEL - Clinton bodyguard

53. MAJ. WILLIAM S. BARKLEY, JR. - Clinton Bodyguard

54. CAPT. SCOTT REYNOLDS - Clinton bodyguard

This group died 5/19/93 when their helicopter crashed in the woods near
Quantico, Va. Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire
department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was
tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter
was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight
to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths. A witness, out in the
woods, said that the bodies had been burnt by a ray of energy coming from
the ground, and had caught on fire before the helicopter crashed. They were
burnt from within, without burning their skin or hair. Like a microwave
cooks meat.

SECRET SERVICE GUYS WITH HEADSETS BUT NO HEADS

55. ALAN G. WHICHER - Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. In October
1994, Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the
Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF
agents in that building (none of them came to work that day) did not reach
Alan Whicher, who died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.

56. UNKNOWN SECRET SERVICE AGENT - killed when the C-130 carrying the
Presidential Limos crashed near Jackson Hole, Wyoming.

STIFFS WITH RIBBONS or THOSE WHO LIVE BY THE GUN, DIE BY THE GUN

Next we have a little group of NINE military OFFICERS who were with Mr. Bill
on one of his 'on board, military' vacations:

57. DEPUTY COMMANDING GENERAL MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON - V Corps,
Europe

58. COL WILLIAM DENSBERGER - Corps Chief of Operations and Plans

59.COL ROBERT KELLY - V Corps Chief of Intelligence Spec.

60. GARY RHODES - Crew Chief

This group died together on 2/23/93 - All were killed when their Army UH-60
Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause was ever
determined. - V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia
peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt.

These 4 officers, a reporter and 8 other government employees associated
with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within 4 months of each
other. Were their phones tapped and did someone hear them gossip about the
prexy's on-board vacation?

We don't have the names of the other 8 so were not adding them to our number
sequence. We have put together every list on the internet. What if these 8
unnamed, were one of the named? So we are being ultra fair to Clinton here.
Were not stacking up MORE bodies than he actually is responsible for But WE
ARE GOING TO ADD THE FIVE NAVY AVIATORS. This is # 61., 62., 63, 64, 65., as
they are reputed to be Five Navy aviators who were Clinton
bodyguards/escorts (names not determined) died: 3/26/93 - Not the date of
the other helicopter death. And that tag 'navy aviators' is unique enough to
add them. They all died in a crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. So that
wasn't the group in Quantico though the deaths were a month apart. The crash
occurred shortly after the plane was "waved off" from a landing attempt on
the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a "foul deck". -

All five men had been Clinton's escorts during Clinton's visit to the
Roosevelt 2 weeks prior.

Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit also
died later in a separate helicopter crash. As tags weren't clear, were not
adding THOSE THREE, either.

DEAD MEN BLOW NO WHISTLES SOCIETY

We've had a lot of witnesses of one kind or another. Here are some more,
unique in that they were about to become WHISTLEBLOWERS.

66. JAMES BUNCH - Influential Texan. Died from a gunshot suicide, similar to
Vince Foster. Was discovered to have a "little black book" containing the
names of many influential persons in Texas and Arkansas who visited certain
prostitutes.

67. JOHN WILSON - Former Washington DC Council member, Died 5/18/93. Found
dead from an apparent hanging suicide. Claimed to have info on Whitewater
and was threatening to talk.

THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS A DEAD LAWYER SOCIETY

68. BILL SHELTON, ESQUIRE 69. GANDY BAUGH ESQUIRE 70. STANLEY HUGGINS

The first two were Attorneys representing Clinton best guy pal Tycoon Dan
Lassater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct so had heard
puhlenty... died by jumping out a window of a tall building January 8th,
1994. Lasater, his client was a convicted drug distributor. Baugh, Shelton's
law partner, was "suicided" one month later on 2/9/94. Huggins was Partner
in Memphis law firm investigating Madison Guaranty. Reported to have
succumbed to viral pneumonia, his 300 page report has never been released.

DOCTOR DEAD CANARY

71. DR. RONALD ROGERS - Dentist from Arkansas, killed in plane crash as he
was on his way to an interview with a "London Sunday Telegraph" reporter to
reveal some Clinton dirt. Maybe Bill didn't FLOSS?

72. DR. STANLEY HEARD - Clinton's MOTHER's doctor, made Chairman of the
National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney
Steve Dickson in a small plane crash Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on
Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather
and brother. Died 9/10/93 in a plane crash outside Dulles airport, after
their aircraft, rented after Heard's personal craft developed troubles,
crashed while attempting an emergency landing after reporting a fire on
board. Let's repeat that. They took off in a plane. It developed problems.
They got it back to the airport. They rented a new plane. They took off in
the new rented plane and IT developed a problem. On the way back to the
airport it crashed. - Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory
council, also personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather, and brother.
Whatever he knew never got HEARD --- except on a tapped phone!

73. STEVE DICKSON - Legal Counsel to that Chiropractor, Dr. Heard. His only
sin, being with Unheard HEARD. Should we count DR STAN? NAHHHHH. He's
probably someone GOD wanted dead! God Clinton that is. What the hell, let's
count him, too.

ILLEGITIMATE SPOOKS WHO ARE

NOW LEGITIMATE GHOSTS

74. WILLIAM COLBY - Director of Central Intelligence (retired) Died 4-27-96,
had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford who were the top New
world Order Rock flunkies! As Was the Kiss of Death Henry the K! "Ve Vill
Make DERE Economy

SCREAMMM". Certainly knew where all bones were buried as this was the group
that wanted the 'one world after all' with China a capitalist trading
partner and 3 billion chinese paying taxes to the world banks, an agenda
that has taken TEN prexies to deliver.

At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for
"Strategic Investment Newsletter". They covered the Vince Foster "suicide"
in detail. Its editors hired three renowned handwriting experts to
investigate Foster's suicide note, which hadn't been found when his
briefcase was first searched, but later materialized, torn into pieces, with
no fingerprints on any of the pieces. Upon comparing this document with
others of Foster's writings, these experts declared it was a forgery, and a
not very good one at that. So Colby was ratting out his spook pals... This
had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that Colby
had already divulged too many of the CIA's secrets in the preceding years.
Indeed, his dismissal by Ford was because of his over-cooperation with
Congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing.

It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro,
the spying, phone-tapping on American citizens (in direct violation of the
CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on
unsuspecting citizens, and agency's using human guinea pigs for mind-control
experiments involving LSD, as we saw in CONSPIRACY THEORY movie with Mel
Gibson, MK-Ultra program. Colby was in charge of the infamous Operation
Phoenix during the Vietnam War, in which more than 20,000 South Vietnamese
citizens -- supposedly Vietcong

sympathizers -- were rounded up, tortured and executed. Must have found
religion late in life.

Phoenix was run by the infamous Hanoi station, same group that brought back
tons of heroin sewn inside G.I's bodies for the Mafia to distribute. THE
ENTIRE CIA HATED COLBY, however, he died while Bill was prexy so he goes on
the list. According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing
by neighbors who "recovered" his canoe, by one story from under the dock at
Colby's house, by another report, 1/4 of a mile downstream from Colby's
home.

Colby was by all report a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home
unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. The
official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop
everything and go canoeing. On Monday, May 6th, Colby's body was found just
20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been
thoroughly searched several times by helicopters and search teams. Most
notable about the body was the absence of a life jacket, which according to
his wife, Colby always wore on the water. Inferred is that a well known, old
co-worker called him and said come on down to the river and talk to me.
Colby was not really planning on canoeing.

75. FLORENCE MARTIN - Spook # 2. Accountant subcontracting to CIA. Flo died
of 3 bullets to the head. Her work was related to the Barry Seal case. At
the time of her death she had the account numbers and PIN for a bank account
in the Cayman's in the name of Barry Seal which held 1.4 million dollars.
Immediately following her death, the money was moved to someplace in the
Virgin Islands.

IN CASE YOU'RE GETTING BORED

A RED NECK JOKE to break the pace!

76. JOHNNY FRANKLIN LAUGHTON, JR.- Died March 29, 1998. In the spring of
1997, a tornado ripped through some junked cars at Johnny's Tranny Shop and
opened up the trunk of a car that proved to have a box of Whitewater records
in it, including a copy of a $27,000 cashiers check drawn on Madison and
payable to one Bill Clinton. Johnny Franklin Laughton, Jr. realized what he
was looking at and here's the funny part......he turned the box of documents
over to the FBI. Is that a screamer? but wait. There's more.

According to police, a year later, Laughton and a friend hit a telephone
pole at a high rate of speed after their car had become airborne and left
the road. They had driven less than 1/4 of a mile at the time of the impact,
in a '73 Pontiac Trans Am meaning this clunker got the TAKEOFF ratio of a
brand new Ferrari.

This manner of death is similar to the single vehicle accidents that killed
Paula Grober, and Neil Moody and Karen Silkwood. Single car accidents in
clunkermobiles going warp speeds.

MORE WHISTLEBLOWERS DEDUCTION:

If It's BROKE, DON'T REPORT IT!

77. COL. JAMES SABOW - Died 1991, supposedly about to blow the whistle on
drug running activity taking place on the naval base where he was stationed,
Col. James Sabow was found by his wife in the backyard of their home with
his head blown off with a shotgun. The Navy ruled it a suicide. In all, more
than 40 deaths by individuals concerned with drug traffic on military bases
have been declared as suicides despite evidence that MURDER was involved.

78. ERIC BUTERA - An informant who came forward offering information
regarding the murder of White House intern Mary Mahoney. He was promptly
sent into a known crack house to make an undercover buy for the police and
there was beaten to death by unknown assailants.

79. MAYNARD WEBB - Owned a small aircraft repair business, and had stumbled
on several aircraft whose tail numbers were being changed on a regular
basis. Was about to go public when he walked head first into a spinning
propeller.

Here we have a list of woman

THE DEAD FLOOZIES SOCIETY

80. SUZANNE COLEMAN - Reportedly had an affair with Billy when he was
attorney general. Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her
head. No autopsy allowed. Was 7 months pregnant at time of her death and had
told friends it was Bill Clinton's child.

81. PAULA GROBER - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf. Died 12/9/92
in a one-car accident with no known witnesses...like Karen Silkwood or
Princess Diana. Her body was thrown 33 feet from the car, indicating a very
high speed. A very attractive women, Paula traveled extensively with Clinton
from 1978 until her death. Clinton, through a spokesman, called Gober's
death "a great personal loss." He also said, "Hillary and I extend our
sincere sympathy to Paula's family. I had the privilege of (ahem) 'working'
with her over many years."

82. JUDY GIBBS - Arkansas professional good ole girl and lady of the night,
belonged to a house that regularly blackmailed gentlemen clients. Had just
told Police she'd cooperate in a probe on local cocaine selling. Both
Clinton's bodyguard and her family say she was intimate with Clinton. She
had been a Penthouse Playmate was so HOT that her house burned down with her
in it.

MISCELLANEOUS DEATHS

83. DON ADAMS - Died Jan 7 1997. Long before Whitewater's land flips made
the Clinton's circle of friends rich, many of the same players had been
involved in a similar land swindle in Branson. Don Adams was a lawyer in
Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being swindled
out of their life savings. He was found missing. Then he was found dead. Muy
misterioso. Branson has Clinton fingerprints all over it so let's COUNT this
stiff! As coke was a food staple in Little Rock during Clinton's Camelot
there, and his rich buddies were into it, and busted for it, and coke makes
users greedy, deadly unemotional, cold and cruel, paranoic and irritable we
deduce that Bill's death squads were coked up back in the 70's and are coked
up still.

84. JIM WILHITE - Vice Chairman, Arkla, Inc. died: 12/21/92 - Died in a
one-person skiing accident. - Wilhite had extensive ties with Clinton and
Mack McLarty, with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.

85. LANCE HERNDON - this Clinton Appointee was found BLUDGEONED to DEATH in
his bed. A prominent entrepreneur who received a presidential appointment in
1995 Lance Herndon, a 41 year old computer specialist, appeared to have died
in his Atlanta mansion's bedroom, under the bedcovers, from a blow to the
head. Mr. Herndon had not been shot or stabbed and there was no evidence of
forced entry or theft. The home had an elaborate security system. Herndon's
relatives said they unbolted the front door to gain entry into the home and
discovered his bloody body under the bed covers.

Herndon founded ACCESS INCORPORATED an Atlanta based information systems
consulting firm once listed by Inc. Magazine as one of the nation's fasted
growing private companies.

President Clinton had appointed Mr. Herndon to the high level White House
Conference on Small Business, part of Ron Brown's Dept of Commerce. Jim
Quinn at brought up quite an interesting point about the WH data base.
Pressure is apparently being applied to the contractors and subcontractors
who implemented the database and the phone network in the Whitehouse which
tied the database to several other databases.

There has been the assertion that Lance Herndon, a computer database
specialist from Atlanta, may have been murdered because of his work on the
White House Data Base. He died in the period when the WH phone records
disappeared, containing hour of calls in dispute, within days of Janet Reno
handing over the brewing WH data base scandal to Kenneth Starr. The man who
finally incriminated NIXON had been a tekkie who'd installed sophisticated
equipment. They weren't going to let History repeat itself.

WOUNDED, ATTEMPTED MURDERS, BUNGLED JOBS

GARY JOHNSON - lawyer who lived next door to Gennifer Flowers' apt. Familiar
with what was going on inside. i.e. visits from Bill, and of course, her
gossip to him. Not dead, but beaten near death and left for dead. Had
security videotapes of Clinton entering Gennifer Flowers' apartment. His
tapes were taken. On 26 June 1992, he was severly beaten to the point that
his spleen had to be removed.

DENNIS PATRICK - Court clerk. Had millions of dollars laundered through his
account at Lasater & Co without his knowledge. Four attempts on his life. He
should get together with that guy in I LOVE YOU TO DEATH who owned the pizza
parlor. Imagine this patsy being alive. Somebody invested tens of millions
of dollars, that he did not own, through his account at Lasater & Co.
Lasater was a bigtime coke dealer with Tyson Chicken tycoon, and were
laundering coke cash. Patrick has spoken to FBI agents and Fiske's taskforce
but remember, Starr predecessor FISKE was always working for the
Intelligence group that runs Clinton and foxes don't really turn in other
foxes fer eating hens.

L.J. DAVIS - Reporter investigating Rose Law Firm for stuff on the C's,
attacked at his hotel room in Little Rock. His notes were stolen. He wrote
an article for the New Republic concerning Whitewater. Davis was attacked in
Arkansas on 14 February 1994, but survived head injuries, though some of his
papers concerning his investigation into Whitewater were stolen, including a
"list of contacts," and a "critical document." Based on a mysterious phone
call he received before the beating, he suspects that his modem transmission
(you tekkies check THIS out!) of his story was intercepted (ie. that his
phone was tapped). Davis is a contributing editor for

"Harper's" magazine and does free-lance writing for many publications.

MURDOCH - a "New York Post" Reporter, assaulted in Little Rock while he was
there collecting information on a story he wrote about Whitewater.

LARRY NICHOLS - Former official in AR. and author of "The Clinton
Chronicles." A terrific Super VIDEO is vailable from him. The man who broke
many of the Clinton scandal stories. Several attempts on his life.

RUSSELL WELCH - an Arkansas cop, drug investigator trying to prove highly
placed men were involved in coke trafficking, infected with military grade
anthrax, lucky to have been diagnosed correctly, narrowly escapes death.

More DEAD RELATIVES REGISTRY

Death #86. (#123 if you count Ron Brown's fellow passengers). Theodore R.
Williams - brother of Betty Currie, Clinton's private secretary. Ted was run
off a highway after being hit by a truck in December l997. He got out of his
wrecked car, climbed up an embankment to the highway, and then another truck
hit him, killing him instantly. This was just A MONTH before Betty Currie
was scheduled to testify about Billy's Oval (Ovum?) Office doings. Betty's
other brother, Lee Williams, had been beaten severely and hospitalized the
August before.

MISSING IN ACTION

DAN SHORT - Arkansas cocaine bank President - Missing. Took local bank into
bankruptcy, told pals he was laundering cash for the Arkansas Coke Cartel,
next day he and 71k are missing and someone goes to great lengths to provide
a body but dental records prove it's not his. No one knows where HE went.

Now these 86 people have perished in strange circumstances .

Why would so many people who were so close to Mr. Clinton die in so many
ways ?


GoMavs

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Oh please... that thing is ridiculous...If you really want to cream Bill
then cream him for the 1.2 million who died of starvation in Iraq under his
term (500,000 of those children under 5). Or the 1-2 million Rwandans who
died under his watch. Or the hundereds of thousands who died in Somalia
under his watch. Of the 300 thousand Albanians who died under his watch. Or
the millions of North Koreans who died under his watch...

Yeah.. he did good.

"American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in message
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American Patriot

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but these were direct ordered killings on his orders.
add 88 more (Waco) too, and also 160 more (OKC bombing) to that list Also
add 37 sailors, with "The USS Cole" 6 more people at the WTC in '93 and all
the people who died with Ron Brown in the airplane crash.
I knew of all the details of that a year before it made national news on
every news channel, because the media could not hide the facts, as they were
getting out faster then the news media could keep up.

Waco and OKC bombings were inside jobs guaranteed.
We do know the truth and it cannot be hidden

We will not forget, and commies/liberals will remember, cause we will force
them to.

true of the 1.2 million people who starved because of Clinton and the rest
you posted.
But what I posted was ordered killings, to get rid of Clinton's enemies.
Look up Mena Arkansas during his terms as president.
you will learn many new things you never knew.

You say he did good. at least the commies (including the ones on here) think
so

"GoMavs" <ma...@mavs.net> wrote in message
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Winston Smith, American Patriot

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"GoMavs" <ma...@mavs.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:

> Oh please... that thing is ridiculous...If you really want to cream
> Bill then cream him for the 1.2 million who died of starvation in Iraq
> under his term (500,000 of those children under 5). Or the 1-2 million
> Rwandans who died under his watch. Or the hundereds of thousands who
> died in Somalia under his watch. Of the 300 thousand Albanians who
> died under his watch. Or the millions of North Koreans who died under
> his watch...
>
> Yeah.. he did good.
>
> "American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in message
> news:gKSdnYRvsqUXhEnY...@neonova.net...
>> He even has Henry Lee Lucas beat.
>> One day he will pay the ultimate price for these killings.
>>
>>
>> The Clinton Body Count is a list people , who in one way or another .
>> Were connected to him.
>>
>> These people have died and been killed in so many strange ways . They
>> have met with a demise in suspicious circumstances . Is it possible
>> that Mr. Clinton could be the number one mass murderer in the U.S.
>> history of America. This was our PRESIDENT sitting in the WHITE HOUSE


I don't believe we need to take any more submissions for nominations of
the Top Two Usenet Losers of the Year.

Nor do we need even wonder if the two of you qualify for the the Usenet
Losers Hall of Fame.

You two lunatics absolutely in every respect set new lows even for
complete losers to learn from.

GoMavs

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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
in message news:Xns98D87680...@207.115.17.102...

> "GoMavs" <ma...@mavs.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
> I don't believe we need to take any more submissions for nominations of
> the Top Two Usenet Losers of the Year.

Keep changing your name. You think anyone with a disagreeing opinion is a
"usenet loser."

Here, don't take it from me... Take it from history...

Rwanda http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1182431,00.html

North Korea Dead http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/08/korea.food/

Albanians Dead http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/bosnia_genocide.htm

Madeline Albright on 500 thousand dead Iraq Children
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright

Wilcox

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Fun to watch their love fest.


GoMavs

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"Wilcox" <Wil...@wilcox.not> wrote in message
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> Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>> "GoMavs" <ma...@mavs.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
> Fun to watch their love fest.


LOL.. I think this is the first time I have responded to him but if you want
to talk about loving enablers then just look around the groups and you will
see dozens of libs who repeat the same things...


Doorman

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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
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Are they "losers" because you disagree with them? Do you dispute their
post? I personally don't have the time to research the post, but you seem
very familiar with the history...I guess. Why don't you post the truth
about how and why all these people died?

Prove them wrong, instead of just insulting them. Which would be more
convincing? Insults or Rebuttal?


GoMavs

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"Doorman" <twod...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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> Are they "losers" because you disagree with them? Do you dispute their
> post? I personally don't have the time to research the post, but you
> seem very familiar with the history...I guess. Why don't you post the
> truth about how and why all these people died?

I always supply him with links and he supplies me with the typical crap like
"youre just another riechtard loser."

Wilcox

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GoMavs wrote:
> "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
> wrote in message news:Xns98D87680...@207.115.17.102...
>> "GoMavs" <ma...@mavs.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>> I don't believe we need to take any more submissions for nominations
>> of the Top Two Usenet Losers of the Year.
>
> Keep changing your name. You think anyone with a disagreeing opinion
> is a "usenet loser."
>
> Here, don't take it from me... Take it from history...
>
> Rwanda http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1182431,00.html
>
> North Korea Dead http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/08/korea.food/
>
> Albanians Dead
> http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/bosnia_genocide.htm
> Madeline Albright on 500 thousand dead Iraq Children
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright

Does your heart pour out for the Iraqis or only the ones that have died
while any body but Bush was in office? Show me links to your posts to back
up your assertions that you thought it was an issue at the time it was going
on.

Where was your out cry then?

All you Righttards are the same.

Where is one link from any of you that shows you cared.

Show me some that show you even had clue one.

LOL

Winston Smith, American Patriot

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"Doorman" <twod...@windstream.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:

you are kidding me!!

The OP starts out with an insane thread about Bill Clinton's mass murders
(the idiot really means serial killings)....not that any of them ever
occurred.

And then this other regular pinhead chimes in with pinning the deaths of
all the people who have ever suffered or died under dictatorships on Bill
Clinton!

And you expect me to take THEM----AND YOU!!!!----SERIOUSLY!!!?????

LMFAO!!

I think we can add a third Usenet loser to the list now.

Doorman

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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
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Don't respond at all. All you do is criticize people, and spew insults.
That makes you a member of the drug impaired group. IMO.


GoMavs

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"Wilcox" <Wil...@wilcox.not> wrote in message
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> Does your heart pour out for the Iraqis or only the ones that have died

I believe every person in the world should have the same freedoms you have.
No matter if they are Rwandan, Somolian, Korean, Iragi, Iranian, etc

> while any body but Bush was in office?

You did not get the point ofcourse. My links show the fact the media plays
sides.


> Show me links to your posts to back up your assertions that you thought
> it was an issue at the time it was going on.

I, like most Americans never believed we should have ended occupation in
91... We should have destroyed the baath party then.


> Where was your out cry then?
> All you Righttards are the same.
> Where is one link from any of you that shows you cared.
> Show me some that show you even had clue one.
>
> LOL

The only side pro foreign policy seems to be on the right. You go ahead and
keep playing diplomat though. Sanctions kill more than Bombs. Bottom line!


GoMavs

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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
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> "Doorman" <twod...@windstream.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
> The OP starts out with an insane thread about Bill Clinton's mass murders
> (the idiot really means serial killings)....not that any of them ever
> occurred.

I never said I agreed with his statement. I said if he wants to cream Bill
Clinton then he needs to do it with real crimes against humanity... Not with
bozo pieces like that. PAY ATTENTION YOU STUPID F_CK

Wilcox

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The sanctions on Iraq did not start when Clinton took office. Everyone
knows this so why should anything you have be taken seriously? You now
hijack your own post and say it is not about Clinton but the Media. Same old
lame cries of surrender by blaming someone else for the total failure of
Bush the war criminal.

How many Americans died when Clinton was in office? Are there any claims
that the actions taken then were based on lies and 'bad intel'? Did Clinton
say he was done with OBL?

Do you actually believe the failed war is the blame of everyone *but* bush?
Seems like you do. What makes you different then the rest of the cowards
that refuse to admit mistakes?

GoMavs

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"Wilcox" <Wil...@wilcox.not> wrote in message
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> GoMavs wrote:
>> "Wilcox" <Wil...@wilcox.not> wrote in message
>> news:blXAh.2670$dd....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>> Does your heart pour out for the Iraqis or only the ones that have
>>> died
> The sanctions on Iraq did not start when Clinton took office.

They started a year before Clinton entered office and they were never ended
under his 8 years. Madeline Albright said the death of 500 thousand children
was worth it did she not?

> How many Americans died when Clinton was in office? Are there any claims
> that the actions taken then were based on lies and 'bad intel'? Did
> Clinton say he was done with OBL?

Are we counting fetuses? If not then I can only say that a few hundered
between WTC 93, Waco, and Oklahoma City...

> Do you actually believe the failed war is the blame of everyone *but*
> bush? Seems like you do. What makes you different then the rest of the
> cowards that refuse to admit mistakes?

I believe the failure lies on many people including Bush.


I'm Not Wild About Harry

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Feb 15, 2007, 7:51:16โ€ฏAM2/15/07
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No debate about that one! LoL


Wotsy

Wilcox

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GoMavs wrote:
> "Wilcox" <Wil...@wilcox.not> wrote in message
> news:kwYAh.2673$dd....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> GoMavs wrote:
>>> "Wilcox" <Wil...@wilcox.not> wrote in message
>>> news:blXAh.2670$dd....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>>> Does your heart pour out for the Iraqis or only the ones that have
>>>> died
>> The sanctions on Iraq did not start when Clinton took office.
>
> They started a year before Clinton entered office and they were never
> ended under his 8 years. Madeline Albright said the death of 500
> thousand children was worth it did she not?

Tell me if you think over 3000 and counting dead Americans was "worth it"
or not worth it.

Put our reply here:

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How do the numbers look for the end of this war. Do any of you even think
that far ahead? Talk about no plan.


>
>> How many Americans died when Clinton was in office? Are there any
>> claims that the actions taken then were based on lies and 'bad
>> intel'? Did Clinton say he was done with OBL?
>
> Are we counting fetuses? If not then I can only say that a few
> hundered between WTC 93, Waco, and Oklahoma City...

The unborn deaths are unfortunate to say the least but this power was placed
in the hands of the people that have an individual choice to do what they
believe is right or wrong and only accountable to their God if they have
one. Not a God that is forced upon anyone.


>> Do you actually believe the failed war is the blame of everyone *but*
>> bush? Seems like you do. What makes you different then the rest of
>> the cowards that refuse to admit mistakes?
>
> I believe the failure lies on many people including Bush.

How did Bush fail? What were the mistakes you are referring to?


Joseph Welch

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"American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in message
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> The Clinton Body Count is a list people , who in one way or another . Were
> connected to him.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

Claim: Bill Clinton has been quietly doing away with those who oppose him.

Status: False.

Origins: A new version of a lengthy list of deaths associated with Bill
Clinton began circulating on the Internet in August 1998. According to it,
there have been close to fifty suspicious deaths of colleagues, advisors and
citizens who were about to testify against the Clintons, with the unstated
implication that Bill Clinton or his henchmen were behind each untimely
demise.

We shouldn't have to tell anyone not to believe this claptrap, but we will
anyway. In a frenzied media climate where the Chief Executive couldn't boff
a White House intern without the whole world finding out every niggling
detail of each encounter and demanding his removal from office, are we
seriously to believe the same man had been having double handfuls of
detractors and former friends murdered with impunity?

Don't be swayed by the number of names listed on screeds like this. Any
public figure is bound to have a much wider circle of acquaintance than an
ordinary citizen would. Moreover, the acquaintance is often one-sided -
though many of the people enumerated on this list might properly claim to
have known Clinton, he wouldn't know or remember having met a great number
of them.

"Body count" lists are not a new phenomenon. Lists documenting all the
allegedly "suspicious" deaths of persons connected with the assassination of
John F. Kennedy have been circulating for decades, and the same techniques
used to create and spread the JFK lists have been employed in the Clinton
version:
List every dead person with even the most tenuous of connections to your
subject. It doesn't matter how these people died, or how tangential they
were to your subject's life. The longer the list, the more impressive it
looks and the less likely anyone is to challenge it. By the time readers get
to the bottom of the list, they'll be too weary to wonder what could
possibly be relevant about the death of Clinton's mother's chiropractor.

Play word games. Make sure every death is presented as "mysterious." All
accidental deaths are to be labelled "suspicious," even though by definition
accidents occur when something unexpected goes wrong. Every self-inflicted
death discussed must include the phrase "ruled a suicide" to imply just the
opposite. When an autopsy contradicts a "mysterious death" theory, dispute
it; when none was performed because none was needed, claim that "no autopsy
was allowed." Make liberal use of words such as 'allegedly' and 'supposedly'
to dismiss facts you can't contradict with hard evidence.

Make sure every inconsistency or unexplained detail you can dredge up is
offered as evidence of a conspiracy, no matter how insignificant or
pointless it may be. If an obvious suicide is discovered wearing only one
shoe, ignore the physical evidence of self-inflicted death and dwell on the
missing shoe. You don't have to establish an alternate theory of the death;
just keep harping that the missing shoe "can't be explained."

If the data doesn't fit your conclusion, ignore it. You don't have to
explain why the people who claim to have the most damaging goods on
Clinton - Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp,
Monica Lewinsky, Kenneth Starr - are still walking around unscathed while
dozens of bit players have been bumped off. It's inconvenient for you, so
don't mention it.

Most importantly, don't let facts and details stand in your way! If you can
pass off a death by pneumonia as a "suicide," do it! If a cause of death
contradicts your conspiracy theory, claim it was "never determined." If your
chronology of events is impossible, who cares? It's not like anybody is
going to check up on this stuff . . .
This Clinton "body count" list is not a new phenomenon - multiple versions
have been circulating for years. New victim names are routinely added and
old ones taken off, forming an endless variety of permutations. At this
point, there is no one "official" list.

But where did all this craziness start? In 1994, in a letter to
congressional leaders, former Rep. William Dannemeyer listed 24 people with
some connection to Clinton who had died "under other than natural
circumstances" and called for hearings on the matter.

Dannemeyer's list of "suspicious deaths" was largely taken from one compiled
by Linda Thompson, an Indianapolis lawyer who in 1993 quit her year-old
general practice to run her American Justice Federation, a for-profit group
that promotes pro-gun causes and various conspiracy theories through a
shortwave radio program, a computer bulletin board, and sales of its
newsletter and videos.

Her list, called "The Clinton Body Count: Coincidence or the Kiss of Death?"
then contained the names of 34 people she believed died suspiciously and who
had ties to the Clinton family. Thompson admitted she had "no direct
evidence" of Clinton killing anyone. Indeed, she said the deaths were
probably caused by "people trying to control the President" but refused to
say who they were. Thompson said her allegations of murder "seem groundless
only because the mainstream media haven't done enough digging."

Ah, but they had. If not before she put her list together, at least
afterwards. Anyone who continues to state the mainstream media has given
these claims short shrift is being disingenuous.

Since 1994, various respected news outlets have been confronted with
versions of the "Clinton Body Count" list, run their own investigations of a
few of the claims, and found nothing to substantiate what they looked into.
Those investigations would culminate in yet another story about an oddball
conspiracy rumor.

But conspiracy theories don't die that easily. These "body count" lists and
the many specious claims contained therein continue to circulate in
cyberspace and beyond: yesterday's newspaper articles are forgotten with the
next day's delivery, but e-mail lives forever.

The 2007 "Clinton Body Count" list was headed with this entry:

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent
heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken
Starr's investigation.
James McDougal, a key witness for Whitewater prosecutors when the
investigation centered on an Arkansas land deal in which the president and
McDougal were involved, had a pre-existing heart condition and died of a
heart attack on 8 March 1998 while in solitary confinement at the Federal
Medical Center prison in Fort Worth. The ailing McDougal had been placed in
solitary as punishment for failing to provide a urine sample for a drug
test. On the day before his death and while still in his regular cell (where
he had access to his heart medications), he had complained of dizziness, and
while being processed for isolation he threw up. However, once in isolation,
he did not ask for his medicines and appeared to guards "alert,
well-oriented and absent any visible signs of distress" right up until his
death. An investigation into the circumstances of his demise did not find
evidence of foul play.

The McDougal entry was not part of the "Clinton Body Count" list as it
circulated in 1998. This is what we found when we looked into those entries:

1. Mary Mohane - former White House intern gunned down in a coffee shop.
Nothing was taken. It was suspected that she was about to testify about
sexual harassment at the White House.
Former White House intern Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, manager of a Georgetown
Starbucks, was killed along with two co-workers (Emory Allen Evans, 25 and
Aaron David Goodrich, 18) on 6 July 1997 during a robbery of the shop. In
March 1999 Carl Derek Havord Cooper (29) of Washington was arrested and
charged with these murders.

Yes, it is unusual that three employees were killed in the course of a
robbery during which nothing was taken. According to Cooper's 26 April 2000
guilty plea (he received life with no hope of parole), he went to the
Starbucks to rob the place, figuring the receipts from the July 4 weekend
would make for a fat take. He came in after closing, waved a .38, and
ordered all three Starbucks employees into the back room. Once there,
Mahoney made a run for it after Cooper fired a warning shot into the
ceiling. She was ordered back to the room, but then went for the gun. Cooper
shot her, then afterwards shot the other two employees. He left
empty-handed, afraid the shots had attracted police attention. As
regrettable as these three deaths were, this was nothing but a case of a
robbery gone wrong.

And, right away, we have come to the first big lie of the "Clinton Body
Count" list: Any unexplained death can automatically be attributed to
President Clinton by inventing a connection between him and the victim. Mary
Mahoney did once work as an intern at the White House, but so have hundreds
of other people who are all still alive. There is no credible reason why, of
all the interns who have served in the Clinton White House, Mahoney alone
would be the target of a Clinton-directed killing. (Contrary to public
perception, very few interns work in the West Wing of the White House or
have any contact with the President. The closest most interns get to the
chief executive is a brief handshake or a group photo.)

The putative reason offered for Mahoney's slaying - that she was about to
testify about sexual harrassment in the White House - was a lie. This absurd
justification apparently sprang from a hint dropped by Mike Isikoff of
Newsweek just before the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke that a "former White
House staffer" with the initial "M" was about to talk about her affair with
Clinton. We all know now, of course, that the "staffer" referred to was
Monica Lewinsky, not Mary Mahoney. The conspiracy buffs maintained that
White House hit men rushed out, willy-nilly, and gunned down the first
female ex-intern they could find whose name began with "M."

2. Vincent Foster - former White House Counsel, found dead of a gunshot
wound to the head and ruled a suicide. He had significant knowledge of the
Clintons' financial affairs and was a business partner with Hillary. If the
Clintons are guilty of the crimes they are accused of by Larry, Vincent
Foster would have detailed knowledge of those crimes.
This laundry list of deaths always refers to someone taking his life as
"ruled a suicide," thus implying another conclusion of equal likelihood was
capriciously dismissed by someone who had the power to do so. From here on,
read "ruled a suicide" as "an investigation was carried out, arriving at
this as the only reasonable conclusion."

White House deputy counsel Vince Foster committed suicide on the night of 20
July 1993 by shooting himself once in the head, a day after he contacted his
doctor about his depression. A note in the form of a draft resignation
letter was found in the bottom of his briefcase a week after his death.
(Note that this letter was not, as is often claimed, a "suicide note." It
was Foster's outline for a letter of resignation.) Foster cited negative
Wall Street Journal editorials about him. He was also upset about the
much-criticized role of the counsel's office in the controversial firing of
seven White House travel office workers.

On 10 October 1997, special prosecutor Kenneth Starr released his report on
the investigation into Foster's death, the third such investigation (after
ones conducted by the coroner and Starr's predecessor, Robert B. Fiske) of
the matter. The 114-page summary of a three-year investigation concluded
that Foster shot himself with the pistol discovered in his right hand. There
was no sign of a struggle, nor any evidence he'd been drugged or intoxicated
or that his body had been moved.

If Foster had been murdered or if unanswered questions about his death
remained, Starr would have been the last person to want to conclude the
investigation prematurely. Or are we to believe Starr is part of the cover
up, too? And if we buy into the conspiracy theory, what are we expected to
believe? That a group of professional killers capable of carrying out dozens
of murders all over the world shot Vince Foster, then clumsily dumped him in
a park (after he had bled out), planted a gun he didn't own in his hand
(without bothering to press his fingerprints onto it), amateurishly forged a
suicide note (in several different handwritings), then expected the nation
would believe it was suicide?

3. C. Victor Raiser, II - former National Finance Co-Chairman of Clinton for
President, and Montgomery Raiser, his son. Both died in a suspicious private
plane crash in Alaska. No cause determined. Raiser was considered to be a
major player on the Clinton team.
All plane crashes are "suspicious," because airplanes are supposed to stay
in the air, and when they don't it's because something went terribly wrong.
Pilot error and mechanical failure are by far the most common causes
underlying any crash. The National Transportation Safety Board investigates
every downed plane in the U.S., and though they might not always pin down
the exact cause of a crash, they're generally pretty good about ruling out
the use of explosives or mechanical tampering. If the NTSB doesn't find
evidence of tampering or explosives, that's not what downed the plane, and
we're left with pilot error and mechanical failure as our choices.

Raiser, his son, and three others died in a plane crash in Alaska on 30 July
1992 during a fishing trip. The pilot and another passenger survived and
were hospitalized with severe burns. While the "body count" list claims "no
cause determined," the NTSB says otherwise: pilot error in a small plane
flying in mountainous terrain during low visibility conditions led to the
crash.

See what the NTSB had to say about this accident.

4. Paul Tully - DNC Political Director, was found dead in a Little Rock
hotel room. No cause was ever determined and no autopsy was allowed. Tully
was a key member of the damage control squad and came up with some of the
Clinton strategies.
Paul Tully died on 24 September 1992. Problem is, there wasn't anything the
least bit unusual about his death, so whoever cooked up this list had to lie
and claim that "no cause was ever determined" and "no autopsy was allowed."
However, an autopsy was performed, and Tully's cause of death was
determined: a massive heart attack. (Not a surprising demise, since Tully
was extremely overweight, a heavy drinker, and a chain smoker.) According to
Steve Nawojczyk, the Pulaski County coroner, "An autopsy by the Arkansas
medical examiner's office discovered advanced coronary artery disease." He
added that investigators found no evidence of external trauma to the body.

Note again that the conspiracy buffs offer no putative reason for Tully's
"killing," yet would have us believe that Clinton ordered his chief
strategist rubbed out while the most important election of his career was
still over a month away.

5. Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser. Found in the woods in Virginia with a

gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide.

Ed Willey was a former Virginia state senator and a lawyer; his wife
Kathleen was active in Democratic state politics, worked as a volunteer
(including some fund-raising efforts) on behalf of the Clinton campaign in
Virginia in 1992, and later worked as a volunteer in the White House Social
Office. Ed Willey's death was as clear cut a case of suicide as one is
likely to find. Willey was a desperate, unstable man who (along with his
wife) spent money lavishly, stole $275,000 of a client's money, and was
about half a million dollars in debt to the IRS. He took his own life on 29
November 1993, leaving behind a suicide note found by his wife: "Saying I'm
sorry doesn't begin to explain. I hope one day you will forgive me."

At the same time as Willey was killing himself, his wife was allegedly being
groped by Clinton. She'd gone to the Chief Executive looking for a job to
help her family out of its financial crisis and found herself fending off
Clinton's advances. Clinton admits to the meeting but denies her version of
what went on during it. Kathleen Willey testified in Paula Jones'
harrassment suit against Clinton, but she's never claimed that Clinton had
her husband killed.

6. Hershell Friday - Clinton fund-raiser. His plane exploded.
Herschel Friday, an Arkansas lawyer who had been on the Clinton campaign
finance committee, died in a airplane accident on 1 March 1994. His plane
did not "explode"; the elderly (73-year-old) Friday, at the controls,
crashed it during an attempted landing on a poorly-lighted private airfield
at dusk on a dark and drizzly day.

See what the NTSB had to say about this accident.

7. Jerry Parks - former security team member for Governor Clinton. Prior to
his death he had compiled an extensive file on Clinton's activities. His
family had reported being followed and his home broken into just before
being gunned down at a deserted intersection.
On 26 September 1993, Luther (Jerry) Parks was hit with ten bullets from a
9-mm semiautomatic handgun as he left a Mexican restaurant at the edge of
Little Rock. His murder remains unsolved.

Parks' security company guarded Clinton's campaign headquarters in 1992.
Parks' son, Gary, asserts in Circle of Power and The Clinton Chronicles
(both video products of Linda Thompson's American Justice Federation) that
his father collected a secret file of Clinton's indiscretions, and that his
father was using the file to try to blackmail the Clinton campaign. (He also
claims that Vince Foster knew of the file's existence.) Despite these
allegations, the younger Parks has failed to produce the mysterious file,
and Clyde Steelman, the homicide sergeant with the Little Rock police force,
dismissed Gary Parks' theories of his father's death as "unsubstantiated,
nothing to grasp." A far more likely suspect in the murder is Jerry Parks'
former partner, with whom Parks had quarreled bitterly.

8. John Wilson - former Washington D.C. council member. Had ties to
Whitewater. Died of a very suspicious hanging suicide.
John Wilson was the chairman of the District of Columbia Council, and his
suicide was far from "very suspicious": Wilson had a long history of
depression, was wrestling with marital problems, and had tried to kill
himself on at least four other occasions. He finally succeeded on 19 May
1993. Upon his death, Wilson's wife said, "[His] depression was an inherited
problem; that he was able to contribute so much over the years in the face
of his disability was a miracle." Police said that he did not leave a note
and that there were no signs of foul play.

Wilson had absolutely nothing in common with Clinton other than that they
worked in the same city (i.e., Washington, D.C.). The claim that Wilson had
anything to do with Whitewater is laughable.

9. Kathy Ferguson - former wife of Arkansas State Trooper Danny Ferguson,
the co-defendant with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Found dead in
her living room of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide.
Interestingly, her packed suitcases seemed to indicate she was about to go
somewhere.
Kathy Ferguson killed herself with a gunshot to the right temple on 11 May
1993 at the home of her boyfriend, Bill Shelton. Their relationship had
fallen on hard times, with each accusing the other of having been
unfaithful. Ferguson left behind a suicide note that read: "I can't stay
here any longer. Things will never be the same for us. I can't take that."
Close by was another note from Shelton questioning her relationship with
another man, which Ferguson's daughter said her mother had been upset over.

There was no mention of packed suitcases in any of the reports about
Ferguson's death examined so far, but even if there were, it wouldn't be the
least bit surprising - is it so unusual that a woman might be thinking of
moving out of the house of a boyfriend who quarreled with her and challenged
her fidelity?

10. Bill Shelton - Arkansas state trooper and fiance of Kathy Ferguson.
Allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself at her grave.
Shelton killed himself over Kathy Ferguson's grave on 12 June 1993. A
suicide note was found beside his body. Just a month earlier he had
quarreled with his girlfriend, accused her of cheating on him, and driven
her to suicide. There's nothing mysterious about his death or his reasons
for taking his life. And if the idea that the ex-wife of an Arkansas state
trooper was a Clinton "connection" weren't absurd enough, we're now offered
the boyfriend of an ex-wife of an Arkansas state trooper.

11. Gandy Baugh - attorney for Dan Lasater in a financial misconduct case.
Supposedly jumped out the window of a tall building to commit suicide.
Gandy Baugh died on 8 January 1994 at home. Although causes weren't
specified, it's safe to assume people who jump out of tall buildings either
die on the spot or in the hospital, not at home.

12. Dr. Donald Rogers - dentist. Killed in a suspicious plane crash on his
way to an interview with reporter Ambrose Evans-Pritchard to reveal
information about Clinton.
On 3 March 1994, the Cessna carrying a pilot, Donald Rogers, and two other
passengers crashed. The pilot had earlier radioed in that he was
experiencing electrical trouble and then lost radio contact. The NTSB
investigation after the crash revealed that the plane's left generator
severely overheated and shut down, leaving the plane without electrical
systems. The plane went down far off its planned route, and the pilot was
good and lost at the time of the crash.

See what the NTSB had to say about this accident.

13. Stanley Huggins - lawyer investigating Madison Guaranty. Suicide.
His extensive report has never been released.
How anyone can confuse dying of pneumonia with suicide is beyond me. Huggins
died on 23 June 1994. According Dr. Richard Callery, Delaware's top medical
examiner, viral myocarditis and bronchial pneumonia killed Huggins. Lt. Joel
Ivory of the University of Delaware police said his exhaustive investigation
of Huggins's death turned up "no sign at all of foul play."

14. Florence Martin - Accountant for the CIA and had information on the
Barry Seal case. Three gunshot wounds to the head.
On 23 October 1994, 69-year-old Florence Martin of Mabelle, Texas (40 miles
from Wichita Falls) was murdered in her home by three gunshots to the head
through a pillow. She wasn't an accountant for the CIA, though: She worked
the graveyard shift at a convenience store in nearby Seymour and had lived
in that area for decades. The murder is still unsolved.

15. Suzane Coleman - reportedly had an affair with Clinton. Was seven months
pregnant at the time she was found dead of a gun shot wound to the back of
the head, ruled suicide.
At the time of Susan Coleman's suicide, Bill Clinton was her law professor.
In 1992 an overzealous supporter of George Bush hired investigators to probe
this girl's 1977 suicide. They found no evidence that the two had even had
an affair. It was an old rumor and a baseless one, and even a determined
attempt at muckraking turned up nothing to substantiate it.

16. Paula Grober - Clinton's interpreter for the deaf. Traveled with Clinton
from 1978 until her death in 1992 in a one-car accident. There were no
witnesses.
The accident took place during the afternoon of 7 December 1992. Paula
Gober's car overturned at a curve in the highway, throwing her 33 feet from
the vehicle. No one witnessed the accident.

17. Paul Wilcher - attorney investigating corruption. He had investigated
federal elections, drug and gun smuggling through Mena, the Waco incident,
and had just delivered a lengthy report to Janet Reno. He died in his home
of unknown causes.
Wilcher's partially decomposed body was found seated on the toilet in his
Washington D.C. home on 22 June 1993. His death was attributed to natural
causes. According to The Washington Times, "[H]e was investigating the
theory of an 'October Surprise' conspiracy during the 1980 federal election
campaign. He had been interviewing an inmate who claimed to have piloted
George Bush to Paris so he could secretly seek to delay the release of 52
American hostages in Iran." President Clinton, just a year into his first
term, would hardly be likely to give up a key political advantage by bumping
off someone who was supposedly about to dig up some major dirt on the
Republican party

18. Jon Parnell Walker - RTC investigator who mysteriously fell to his death
from an apartment balcony.
I can find nothing about this man, not a report of his death or of his being
an Resolution Trust Corporation investigator. Various lists state this
tragedy happened on 15 August 1993 at the Lincoln Towers in Arlington,
Virginia, but nothing shows up in the newspapers about it.

19. Ron Brown - former DNS Chairman, Commerce Secretary. Reported to have
died in a plane crash, but new evidence reveals he may have been shot in the
head. He was being investigated by a special investigator and was about to
be indicted with 54 others. He spoke publicly of his willingness to "make a
deal" with the prosecutors to save himself a few days before the fatal trip.
He was not supposed to be on the flight but was asked to go at the last
minute. (This count does not include the other business leaders and other
passengers who died on this government-sponsored trade mission.)
What "new evidence"? Ron Brown and 34 others were killed in a plane crash in
Croatia on 3 April 1996. The plane slammed into a mountain while on landing
approach. There were no survivors.

A lot has been made of an x-ray of Brown's skull in which what looks like a
round entry wound appears. Closer examination of Brown's skull by military
officials revealed no bullet, no bone fragments, no metal fragments and,
even more telling, no exit wound.

Simply imagining a scenario under which Ron Brown could have been shot takes
one into the realm of the absurd. Was he shot in the head during the flight,
in full view of thirty-four other witnesses? (If so, how did the shooters
get off the plane?) Did the killers shoot him before the flight, then bundle
his body into a seat (just like Weekend at Bernie's) and hope nobody noticed
the gaping hole in his head? Or did Croatian commandos fortuitously appear
on the scene to scale a mountain and pump a bullet into the head of an
already-dead plane crash victim?

See what the Air Force had to say about this crash.

20. Barbara Wise - Commerce Department secretary. Worked with Ron Brown and
John Huang and had extensive knowledge of their activities. Found dead in
her locked office the day after Thanksgiving. It was ruled a suicide.
Interestingly, she was found partially clothed, bruised, and in a pool of
blood.
There was no pool of blood, and Barbara Wise's death was never ruled a
suicide by anyone. She was discovered in her Commerce Department office on
29 November 1996 after last being seen alive on 27 November 1996, the day
before Thanksgiving. A thorough investigation uncovered no evidence of foul
play or suicide. Wise had a history of frequent and severe health problems,
including liver ailments. Her death was attributed to natural causes.

21. Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce. John Huang was given
a special security clearance by Meissner. Shortly thereafter, he died in the

crash of a small plane.

Charles Meissner died in the same plane crash that took the life of Ron
Brown, the one in Croatia on 3 April 1996. Fourteen Commerce Department
staffers died in that crash, Meissner and Brown among them.

We're now entering an long segment of the list wherein a number of deaths
are tied to those of Henry and Ives, who are supposedly linked to Clinton.
All of this linkage is one big canard. Henry and Ives had nothing to do with
Clinton - they were two young men who foolishly ripped off drugs from a
dealer and were beaten to death in revenge. With no link between Clinton and
Henry or Ives, the following eight entries collapse like a house of cards.

22 & 23. Kevin Ives and Don Henry - seventeen-year-old boys who apparently
saw something related to drugs in Mena by accident late at night. Officially
ruled an accidental death on the train tracks, but evidence shows they died
before being placed on the tracks - one of a crushed skull and the other of
a knife wound in the back.
Henry and Ives were run over by a train on 23 Aug 1987. Dr. Fahmy Malak,
Arkansas' former state medical examiner, ruling the deaths accidental, said
the teens fell asleep on the tracks after smoking marijuana. A 1988 Saline
County grand jury determined the boys were murdered and their bodies
afterwards laid on the tracks, but no other conclusions were reached and no
indictments were returned. The FBI is still investigating the deaths.

A number of Malak's determinations had been challenged and overturned during
his career. He certainly wasn't always a conscientious medical examiner, and
his Ives and Henry rulings were only two of many such botchings.

Getting back to the real meat of who killed the boys, nothing ties Ives and
Henry to Clinton. Though various of these lists will claim the boys
accidentally stumbled onto a "protected" drug drop and were killed for it,
there's no reason to believe even that. In a 25 May 1990 hearing before U.S.
Magistrate Henry Jones Jr., Katherine Brightop said her ex-boyfriend Paul
William Criswell told her he and three other men were involved in the
teenagers' deaths. Brightop said Criswell told her the boys tried to steal
cocaine from Callaway's home and they were caught and beaten to death before
their bodies were placed on the tracks.

24. Keith Koney - had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Died in a
motorcycle accident with reports of a high-speed car chased involved.
19-year-old Keith Coney died on 17 May 1988 when the motorcycle he was
driving struck the back of a tractor-trailer. He was riding a motorcycle
he'd stolen the day before. There were no reports of a high-speed car chase.

25. Keith McKaskle - had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Stabbed
to death.
In August 1989, Ronald Shane Smith was sentenced to ten years for the 10
November 1988 murder of Keith McKaskle. McKaskle had earlier expressed fears
for his life, linking them to his knowing something about "the railroad
track thing". Smith may have been paid to kill McKaskle, as a prison inmate
said he had been approached and offered $4,000 to kill McKaskle himself.

26. Gregory Collins - had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Gunshot
wound to the head.
Greg Collins (25) of Bryant, Arkansas, was found shot in woods near Rosston
on 2 December 1989. If he truly knew something about drug-related murders,
that's reason enough for him to have been killed.

27. Jeff Rhodes - had information on the Ives and Henry and McKaskle deaths.
Tortured, mutilated, shot, body burned in a dumpster.
In July 1989 Frank Pilcher was arrested for the April 1989 murder of Jeffrey
Rhodes. Rhodes had earlier told his father he feared for his life because
he'd witnessed a narcotics transaction.

Rhodes was last seen alive on April 3. His body was discovered in a dumpster
on April 19. He'd been shot twice in the head and his body was badly burned.
The body was likely burned in an effort to destroy forensic evidence that
would led investigators to the murderer.

28. James Milam - had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. He was
decapitated. The coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
This is my favorite entry. Remember that Arkansas medical examiner, the one
I said wasn't always the most conscientious investigator on God's green
earth? Yep, we're about to see him again. Fahmy Malak listed James Milam's
cause of death as a perforated ulcer, adding that Milam's small dog
afterwards ate the dead man's head, accounting for Milam's headless
condition.

Milam's daughter-in-law insists Milam was murdered. She claims Malak showed
her photographs of the headless corpse, and the neck was cut clean. The
Milam family has not attempted to legally challenge the ruling because of
the expense, so we'll never know which way the cat jumps, ulcer or murder.

Whatever killed him, Milam died three months before the Ives and Henry
murders. What are we supposed to believe here, that Clinton conspirators
knocked off someone who "had information on the Ives and Henry deaths" three
months Ives and Henry actually died? Wow, talk about a preemptive strike!

29. Jordan Kettleson - had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Found
shot in the front seat of his pick up truck.
21-year-old Jordan Ketelsen died on 25 June 1990.

30. Dr. Stanley Heard - Chair, National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory
Committee. He personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather, and brother.
His personal small plane developed problems so he rented another. Fire broke
out in flight and he crashed.
Stanley Heard and Stephen Dickson died on 10 September 1993, when their
Piper Turbo Lance II caught fire shortly after takeoff from Dulles airport
and crashed. They'd attended a briefing that morning on the Clinton
administration's health care plan. Dickson's plane had developed mechanical
problems on the way to Washington the week before, so Dickson and Heard
rented the Cherokee in St. Louis to make the trip. They rented a badly
maintained plane, and it cost them their lives.

Here is what the NTSB had to say about this crash.

I've found nothing on the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory that
Heard supposedly chaired.

31. Steve Dickson - attorney for Heard. Died in same plane crash.
Dickson attended the same briefing Heard did. I do not know if he was there
as Heard's lawyer or for independent reasons.

32. John Hillier - video journalist and investigator. He helped to produce
the documentaries "Circle of Power," and "The Clinton Chronicles." He
mysteriously died in a dentist's chair for no apparent reason.
Again, I can find no record of this man's death or of his work. There have
been a few dental chair deaths, but I find nothing on his.

33. Maj. Gen. William Robertson
34. Col. William Densberger
35. Col. Robert Kelly
36. Spec. Gary Rhodes
37. Steve Willis
38. Robert Williams
39. Conway LeBleu
40. Todd McKeehan
41. Sgt. Brian Haney
42. Sgt. Tim Sabel
43. Maj.William Barkley
44. Capt. Scott Reynolds
* all former Clinton bodyguards who are dead.
Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeehan, and Conway LeBleu were
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents killed during the Waco confrontation on
28 February 1993.

Brian Haney, Timothy Sabel, William Barkley, and Scott Reynolds died in a
helicopter crash on 19 May 1993. These four were members of Marine
Helicopter Squadron One, the unit responsible for transporting the
President. They died when the Blackhawk helicopter they had taken out for a
maintenance-evaluation flight crashed. There was no evidence of sabotage.
Clinton had set foot in the aircraft on only one occasion, two months
earlier, when he traveled from the White House to the USS Theodore
Roosevelt.

Jarrett Robertson, William Densberger, Robert Kelly, and Gary Rhodes died in
a helicopter crash in Wiesbaden, Germany on 23 February 1993.

45. Gary Johnson - former attorney for Larry Nichols, severely beaten and
left for dead.
Again, I can find nothing on this incident or even this man's life.

46. Dennis Patrick - had millions of dollars laundered through his account
at Lasater & Co. without his knowledge. There have been several attempts on
his life, all unsuccessful.
It's hard to know what to say about this one. Though I find credible
reference to Patrick's life having been in danger a few times, I'm unable to
trace back to news reports on the original incidents. Without seeing them,
I'm not confident in stating an opinion on whether or not those attempts
took place.

Patrick was a client of Lasater, albeit a reluctant one. He was asked to
open an account there, he refused, one was opened for him anyway, and he was
handed "profits" from one transaction for his part in allowing whatever was
going on to take place. Again, someone who got involved with drug dealers
ended up in trouble. In this case, an otherwise upstanding man took money he
knew to be dirty to keep quiet about what his account was being used for. If
he's now being chased by drug dealers who don't want the details of the
transactions to come to light, is that all that surprising?

47. L.J. Davis - reporter. While investigating the Clinton scandals he was
attacked in his hotel room and his notes were taken. He survived.
Davis said he had awakened in his hotel room with a big bump on his head. He
soon admitted having drunk at least four martinis that night. No pages were
missing from his notebook, and he had no idea how he ended up on the floor.
"I certainly wasn't about to conclude that somebody cracked me on the head,"
Davis said at the time.

48. Larry Nichols - former marketing director of ADFA. Responsible for
bringing forth more evidence and witnesses on Clinton corruption than any
other source. Very public about his claims against Clinton. He has suffered
six beatings, arrest on trumped up charges, and a near arrest.
In 1988 Larry Nichols, then a marketing director for the Arkansas
Development Finance Authority, was fired from his job for making hundreds of
calls to the Nicaraguan contras from his office. In 1990 he filed a lawsuit
against Clinton claiming the then-Governor of Arkansas and others made him
the scapegoat in a misappropriation-of-funds charge that cost him his job.
In that suit he also tossed in claims of extramarital affairs, naming five
women Clinton was supposed to have chased across the sheets. Nichols
withdrew his lawsuit in 1992 and issued a round of apologies to everyone
involved. He admitted what he'd said had been an attempt to destroy the
Governor by innuendo.

Nichols has since changed his tune yet again, and has returned to making
allegations against Clinton, always being careful to stop just short of
asserting Clinton is involved in various murders and other crimes Nichols
points to as "suspicious."

Since his dismissal from the AFDA, Nichols has made a career of peddling
anti-Clinton books and tapes to the lunatic fringe. Take anything claimed
about or by this man with a huge grain of salt.

Now, ask yourself: how many people with whom you were acquainted have died
mysteriously or violently in the past 10 years.
The bottom line on this piece of e-lore? It's a badly worked laundry list
dressed up to appear significant. The promised damning connections to the
Chief Executive are missing, with innuendo misinformation offered up in
their place. Nothing ties Clinton to any of these deaths, something this
list (and others of its ilk) conveniently glosses over. What evidence is
offered that would compel a rational person to believe there was Clinton
involvement in any of these deaths?

Clinton was acquainted with some people who died - that's about all one can
make of this list. Indeed, that's far more than can be made of a number of
the entries, specifically, that of Ives and Henry and all those supposedly
tied to theirs.

Though it's clear from digging through numerous newspaper articles there is
a thriving and dangerous drug culture in Little Rock, how or why this should
be connected to Bill Clinton is left unanswered. Regrettably, Little Rock is
akin to numerous other large cities: it has its share of drug dealers,
murders, and violence. It also has one very famous citizen. And that's about
as much of a connection as anyone can make.

Whereas a typical private citizen has a much smaller circle of acquaintance,
those in public office come into contact with a great many people over the
course of their careers. It is therefore not unusual to find at least a few
accidental deaths, homicides, and suicides among any politician's list of
contacts. (For example, a "body count" list exists for George Bush.)

A number of suicides are enumerated in this list. Suicide is far from an
unusual mode of demise. It claims 32,000 lives in the U.S. every year, and
it's the 9th leading cause of death. It is indeed a rare person who does not
know someone who died by his own hand.

Deaths by airplane crash account for a number of entries on the list. Again,
this is not all that surprising. Every year many small planes crash in the
United States, and some of those crashes result in fatalities. As mentioned
above, the National Transportation Safety Board investigates every one of
them, to determine both the cause of the accident as well as to gather data
that will help prevent future tragedies. The agency does a thorough job of
looking into the circumstances surrounding each downed plane. To describe
any of the plane crash deaths on this list as "suspicious" is to suggest the
NTSB was part of a coverup.

There have been a couple of unsolved murders (Jerry Parks, Kevin Ives, and
Don Henry), but there have also been deaths by natural causes that have been
tossed into the mix willy-nilly simply to boost the body count. (Like I said
earlier, how can anyone claim a death by pneumonia was a suicide?) All the
best lies make sure to mix a bit of truth in with them, and the few
genuinely unsolved murders work to cloak the many less credible claims in an
aura of plausibility. Don't be overly bemused by them - study each entry on
its own merits.

One final question to ask yourself before falling for any Clinton Body Count
list: If the Chief Executive was having people bumped off left, right, and
center, why aren't Monica Lewinsky and Linda Tripp on this list? At the time
of Mary Mahoney's death - a death this list hints was ordered by Clinton -
neither Tripp nor Lewinsky were the high-profile household names they now
are; they were complete unknowns. It would be another six months before
information about them would explode into the news. If the President were in
the habit of having those dangerous to his presidency put in the ground, why
didn't he order these deaths?

Barbara "let's get back to Clinton's bawdy count, okay?" Mikkelson

Last updated: 5 February 2007


The URL for this page is
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

Urban Legends Reference Pages ยฉ 1995-2007
by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson
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"American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in message
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> but these were direct ordered killings on his orders.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

Status: False.

5. Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser. Found in the woods in Virginia with a

gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide.

18. Jon Parnell Walker - RTC investigator who mysteriously fell to his death
from an apartment balcony.

a special security clearance by Meissner. Shortly thereafter, he died in the

crash of a small plane.

GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia

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American Patriot wrote:


>
> Why would so many people who were so close to Mr. Clinton die in so many
> ways ?

GOP discomfort.

--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

Umberto Ramirez

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In article <Jw3Bh.282531$aJ.61850@attbi_s21>,

GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia <g...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> American Patriot wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Why would so many people who were so close to Mr. Clinton die in so many
> > ways ?
>
> GOP discomfort.

Why do you 5th-graders always cop out with an easy insult instead of
using your brain to develop and actual answer??

--
There are only two kinds of Liberals: Arrogant Wannabes and . . .
OK so there's only one kind of Liberal.

Wilcox

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Umberto Ramirez wrote:
> In article <Jw3Bh.282531$aJ.61850@attbi_s21>,
> GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia <g...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> American Patriot wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Why would so many people who were so close to Mr. Clinton die in so
>>> many ways ?
>>
>> GOP discomfort.
>
> Why do you 5th-graders always cop out with an easy insult instead of
> using your brain to develop and actual answer??

Which would be?


Umberto Ramirez

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In article <a_3Bh.2702$dd....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>,
"Wilcox" <Wil...@wilcox.not> wrote:

Well, in this thread, an actual answer to the first question might be to
try and express valid reasons for or against the question "why would so

many people who were so close to Mr. Clinton die in so many ways ?"

An actual answer to the second question might include an explanation why
liberals find it more valid to be clever than smart.

Nebuchadnezzar II

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You should speak, Mavboy. You're worse than a broken record. You're
either repeating the same bullshit you always do and on the few
occasions you come up with something almost original, it's some of the
most non sequitur bullshit on this NG with the possible exception of
Whoratio.


Nebuchadnezzar II

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>
> "Doorman" <twod...@windstream.net> wrote in message
> news:22645$45d43ee3$452854bc$20...@ALLTEL.NET...
>> Are they "losers" because you disagree with them? Do you dispute
>> their post? I personally don't have the time to research the post,
>> but you seem very familiar with the history...I guess. Why don't you
>> post the truth about how and why all these people died?
>
> I always supply him with links and he supplies me with the typical
> crap like "youre just another riechtard loser."

And the links you provide are a complete non sequitur to what your
assertion is. So he's obviously correct.


Nebuchadnezzar II

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> In article <a_3Bh.2702$dd....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>,
> "Wilcox" <Wil...@wilcox.not> wrote:
>
>> Umberto Ramirez wrote:
>> > In article <Jw3Bh.282531$aJ.61850@attbi_s21>,
>> > GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia <g...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> American Patriot wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Why would so many people who were so close to Mr. Clinton die in
>> >>> so
>> >>> many ways ?
>> >>
>> >> GOP discomfort.
>> >
>> > Why do you 5th-graders always cop out with an easy insult instead
>> > of
>> > using your brain to develop and actual answer??
>>
>> Which would be?
>
> Well, in this thread, an actual answer to the first question might be
> to
> try and express valid reasons for or against the question "why would
> so
> many people who were so close to Mr. Clinton die in so many ways ?"

Try explaining why we should be obligated to answer to this bullshit,
New World Order, gov involvement in 9/11, or any other tin-foil hat
conspiracy theory bullshit you half-wit dipshits dream up? You want an
answer? Stick your head a bit further up your ass. The answer is in
there, I promise.

> An actual answer to the second question might include an explanation
> why
> liberals find it more valid to be clever than smart.

First you need to understand that there are some who are worthy of
debate, and some that are only worthy of ridicule. You can decide for
yourself which category you want to belong.


American Patriot

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not counting the starvations in Iraq, the WTC in 1993, or the USS Cole
Clinton has 370 direct ordered killings under his belt.
His hands are smothered with blood.

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American Patriot

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these clinton worshippers don't believe any of the facts.

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American Patriot

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we bitched about it, but nothing was done.
Same for you guys now.

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American Patriot

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they sure as hell did, and Clinton's bombing of aspirin factories didn't
work either.
Remember Clinton and Albright both said Iraq had WMD's
So what happneed to those WMD's

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American Patriot

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BUSH HATER, ANTI-AMERICAN
GET THE FUCK OUT COMMIE

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American Patriot

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Since Clinton even said he refused to get OBL from Sudan, yes in effect
Clinton was done with him.
and because of that 9/11 happened

if Clinton had taken OBL when he had the chance, fact is
9/11/2001 would have never happened.
Prove to me otherwise (omit your commie sources)


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American Patriot

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with arkansas it comes to about 375 counting WTC '93
Henry Lee Lucas claims to have killed 300 people, so Clinton is the winner
of the Biggest Mass Murderer in US History

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American Patriot

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Ask Clinton if it was worth it. he could have stopped it, Alone.

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American Patriot

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You need a big dick up your butt.
I know you are begging for me to fuck you Wotsy
because nobody else will do the honors


American Patriot

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I did. check the link

"Doorman" <twod...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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>

> "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
> wrote in message news:Xns98D87680...@207.115.17.102...
>> "GoMavs" <ma...@mavs.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>>

>>> Oh please... that thing is ridiculous...If you really want to cream
>>> Bill then cream him for the 1.2 million who died of starvation in Iraq
>>> under his term (500,000 of those children under 5). Or the 1-2 million
>>> Rwandans who died under his watch. Or the hundereds of thousands who
>>> died in Somalia under his watch. Of the 300 thousand Albanians who
>>> died under his watch. Or the millions of North Koreans who died under
>>> his watch...
>>>
>>> Yeah.. he did good.
>>>
>>> "American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in message
>>> news:gKSdnYRvsqUXhEnY...@neonova.net...
>>>> He even has Henry Lee Lucas beat.
>>>> One day he will pay the ultimate price for these killings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Clinton Body Count is a list people , who in one way or another .
>>>> Were connected to him.
>>>>
>>>> These people have died and been killed in so many strange ways . They
>>>> have met with a demise in suspicious circumstances . Is it possible
>>>> that Mr. Clinton could be the number one mass murderer in the U.S.
>>>> history of America. This was our PRESIDENT sitting in the WHITE HOUSE
>>
>>

>> I don't believe we need to take any more submissions for nominations of
>> the Top Two Usenet Losers of the Year.
>>

>> Nor do we need even wonder if the two of you qualify for the the Usenet
>> Losers Hall of Fame.
>>
>> You two lunatics absolutely in every respect set new lows even for
>> complete losers to learn from.
>>
>

> Are they "losers" because you disagree with them? Do you dispute their
> post? I personally don't have the time to research the post, but you
> seem very familiar with the history...I guess. Why don't you post the
> truth about how and why all these people died?
>

American Patriot

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the deaths in Arkansas did in fact occur, we've got proof.
and they weren't natural deaths or suicides.

"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote

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> "Doorman" <twod...@windstream.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>
>>

> you are kidding me!!


>
> The OP starts out with an insane thread about Bill Clinton's mass murders
> (the idiot really means serial killings)....not that any of them ever
> occurred.
>

Mitchell Holman

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"American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in
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> the deaths in Arkansas did in fact occur, we've got proof.
> and they weren't natural deaths or suicides.
>


So tell us why none of your rightwing office holders
are prosecuting any of these Clinton "crimes".

American Patriot

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we don't take communists serious.
They can fuck off.

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> Don't respond at all. All you do is criticize people, and spew insults.
> That makes you a member of the drug impaired group. IMO.
>


American Patriot

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Waco and OKC were real crimes of humanity
they were inside jobs meant to kill everybody.

McVeigh was just a patsy, an involved patsy but he was a patsy.
the real murderers who ordered the bombing got away with their crime.

Koresh, they were after him cause Clinton wanted to show who was boss, so
the gvt burned the compound and killed most everybody who tried to escape.
Infared photos do not lie,
Watch Waco: The Rules of Engagement
No proof was there of Koresh abusing children, the sheriff in Waco even
confirmed that, or he would have been arrested long before.

Remember the question that Clinton referred to.
He said "How dare anybody question me"

I won't tell you what many cops told me what should be done to him tho.

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>
> "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
> wrote in message news:Xns98D889563...@207.115.17.102...
>> "Doorman" <twod...@windstream.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:

>> The OP starts out with an insane thread about Bill Clinton's mass murders
>> (the idiot really means serial killings)....not that any of them ever
>> occurred.
>

> I never said I agreed with his statement. I said if he wants to cream Bill
> Clinton then he needs to do it with real crimes against humanity... Not
> with bozo pieces like that. PAY ATTENTION YOU STUPID F_CK

American Patriot

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snopes is not a worthy source.
They are proven wrong on when they said the 1895 8th grade examination test
in Salina KS was a hoax or false.
The test is proven to have existed.
Just contact the Smokey Valley Geniological society and library.
They have the original test, and you can get copies therein.

so snope's sources need to be checked with other sources.

Did you check with urbanlegends?

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American Patriot

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sure he didn't do it himself, that's not the point, but he ordered the
people be silenced.
You claim Bush ordered people to be killed, so where's your source.

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American Patriot

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you are a fool, many were his bodyguards who know what was going on, he was
afraid they'd talk.
Vince Foster diddled with Hillary, that had to be hidden, plus he knew what
was going on with her illegal dealings in her law firm.
Ron Brown was the next witness in the Whitewater thing. he had to be gotten
rid of.
that's why no indictments were handed down of Clinton or his wife. (she
could have legally been charged, since she was not elected official) but
with all the witnesses dead they can't talk.

We know the truth, so stick your head in the sand.
At least half the american people knows all this happened.
So you can't hide it.

since you ain't got the fairness doctine, you can't stop me.
and you won't stop me even then.

Great for the advent of the internet to get all these facts out.
30 years ago it would have all been washed under the rug.

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American Patriot

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you can always find an answer to what you want, when you stick your head up
your ass.
So how bout me pounding your ass instead.

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American Patriot

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same reason they won't prosecute the Clintons and their aides for damaging
the White House compouters and the Clintons stealing stuff off Air Force One
when they enroute back to little rock
Any true republican would have.
If I'd have been president, they would have been in jail.

However remember, there is no statute oif limitations in murder, so they can
still be prosecuted at any time.

So never say never.


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Mitchell Holman

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"American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in
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> same reason they won't prosecute the Clintons and their aides for
> damaging the White House compouters and the Clintons stealing stuff off
> Air Force One when they enroute back to little rock
> Any true republican would have.
> If I'd have been president, they would have been in jail.
>
> However remember, there is no statute oif limitations in murder, so they
> can still be prosecuted at any time.
>
> So never say never.


So the GOP is just "soft on crime" when it comes
democratic lawbreakers?

Do you know how silly your argument is?

American Patriot

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a true republican isn't.
and we don't have one now.

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brushoff

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On Feb 15, 2:27 am, "American Patriot" <patr...@email.gov> wrote:
> He even has Henry Lee Lucas beat.
> One day he will pay the ultimate price for these killings.
>
> The Clinton Body Count is a list people , who in one way or another . Were
> connected to him.
>
> These people have died and been killed in so many strange ways . They have
> met with a demise in suspicious circumstances . Is it possible that Mr.
> Clinton could be the number one mass murderer in the U.S. history of
> America. This was our PRESIDENT sitting in the WHITE HOUSE !
>
> Read the list of names and you decide what more evidence did we need back
> then to Impeach him . This man who had the worst and corrupt term as
> president .
>
> 1. JAMES McDOUGAL - Bank Embezzlement crook, Clinton's convicted Whitewater
> partner. Died 3-8-98 of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary
> confinement, serving 3-yr sentence for bank fraud. He was going to be a key
> witness in Ken Starr's investigation and died while the reporters who were
> covering him were away covering a sudden, new standoff in Waco, (which, when
> he died, suddenly went away.) Jim McDougal suffered a heart attack that was
> brought on by the diuretics forced on him. They took him out of solitary as
> he collapsed, then left him alone in the medical wing. Instead of attempting
> to defibrillate his heart with equipment on hand at the
>
> facility, he was taken on a LONG drive to John Peter Smith hospital. Not the
> closest hospital to the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center, JPS is a welfare
> hospital, where (in the words of one local,) "they let interns practice on
> deadbeats".
>
> The single most damning fact to come out of the McDougal death was his
> injection with Lasix, a diuretic, to force his giving a urine sample for
> drug testing, even though McDougal was not a known drug case, and Lasix is
> contra-indicated in cases of heart disease. Lasix can cause excessive
> dieresis, blood volume reduction, circulatory collapse, and vascular
> thrombosis, or blood clots. If a matching potassium supplement is not
> administered at the same time, Lasix can kill. McDougal may have been taking
> the heart medication Digitalin (foxglove) which cannot be combined with
> Lasix. Several inmates had gone public with the claim that McDougal was
> given a heavy injection of Lasix right after he ate lunch, but the prison
> system has refused to allow those prisoners to beinterviewed nor have they
> released McDougal's medical records.
>
> 2. SANDY HUME - Journalist. On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the
> 28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his
> Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an
> "apparent" suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this
> story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand
> public scrutiny. Indeed, it was reported in Associated Press that the
> Arlington Police were not responding to any inquiries.
>
> Hume was a reporter for The Hill magazine, newspaper about Congress for
> Congress, and had broken a major story in 1997 regarding the friction
> between House Speaker Newt Gingrich and a faction led by Representative
> Paxon (who mysteriously announced his resignation just 24 hours after Hume's
> death).
>
> In addition, Sandy Hume had just joined the staff at Fox TV News and was
> just three weeks into a job that represented the pinnacle of his young
> career. Oddly enough, aside from echoing the one Associated Press story, the
> Fox News website has ignored the death of its newest commentator.
>
> Sandy already had a reputation for getting the story that nobody else wanted
> to look at. It is worth noting that his death came hard on the heels of
> reports that "a reporter" was about to break a story confirming the White
> House's use of investigators to dig up dirt on critics and investigators.
>
> It has been confirmed that the man who performed the as-yet-unreleased
> autopsy is none other than Dr. James C. Beyer, who has a record of
> concealing homicides behind a ruling of suicide. Kenneth Starr's
> "suicidologist" Dr. Alan L. Berman has waded in again and, as he did in the
> Foster death, ruled it "100% certain that this is a suicide and can be
> nothing else".
>
> 3. DANNY CASOLARO - Investigative Reporter, investigating Mena Airport CIA
> drug transport, Arkansas coke trade and CIA's INSLAW 'PROMIS' software.
> Warned his family that he'd learned too much, and that "they" would try to
> get him and not to believe it was suicide if he turned up dead. Found with
> slit wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation. Danny was
> a free-lance reporter and writer who was on to all the secrets of the
> "October Surprise", the BCCI banking scandal, the Secret Government OCTOPUS,
> and the infamous INSLAW super secret software that super spook William Casey
> had stolen from its inventor (so that CIA could sell it to banks and
> discover all the secret funds politicians have stashed in bank accounts
> across the world. PROMIS allow them not only find out how many dollars, they
> had the ability to make wire transfers and take the money back, and then
> they forced crooked politicos to leave office. Danny Casolaro had confided
> to pals that he had the real stuff on PROMIS, the CIA's OCTUPUS, MENA and
> how Clinton had worked for Bush and Reagan and Casey, the NSC and all those
> people hiding under the White House. His mistake was using a telephone which
> must have been bugged. He was found dead in a bathtub in a Sheraton Hotel
> room in Martinsburg, VA near DC, where he stayed while keeping appointments
> pertinent to his investigation. He had told his friends that 'they' would
> try to kill him and that if he died, not to believe it was suicide. He was
> found with his wrists slashed a dozen times. All his research materials were
> missing and have never been recovered.
>
> FINKS, INVESTIGATORS AND WITNESSES' SOCIETY
>
> 4. PAUL WILCHER - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport, also an
> earlier REAGAN SCANDAL, called "the OCTOBER SURPRISE," found dead on a
> toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. At the time of his
> death, Paul was investigating connections between the "October Surprise"
> during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gun-running out of
> Mena, Arkansas, as well as the BATF assault on the Waco, Texas Branch
> Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his
> findings. He had delivered a 105-page affidavit to Janet Reno detailing the
> evidence he had collected regarding the drug operation at Mena, just three
> weeks before his death.
>
> 5. LARRY GUERRIN - killed in February 1987 while investigating the INSLAW
> case. 6. ALAN STANDORF - An employee of the National Security Agency in
> electronic intelligence who leaked info to Danny Casalaro who was
> investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc. Standorf's body was found in the backseat
> of a car at Washington National Airport on Jan 31, 1991.
>
> 7. DENNIS EISMAN - An attorney with information on INSLAW. Eisman was found
> shot to death on April 5, 1991.
>
> 8 thru 12. IAN SPIRO AND FAMILY - Spiro had supporting documentation for
> grand jury proceedings on the INSLAW case. His wife and 3 children were
> found murdered on November 1, 992 in their home. They all died of gunshot
> wounds to the head. Ian's body was found several days later in a parked car
> in the Borego Desert. Cause of death? The ingestion of cyanide. Declared a
> murder/suicide.
>
> Clinton Interns with the initial "M"
>
> 13. CHRISTINE M. MIRZAYAN - Clinton Intern, died August 1st, l998. Her death
> went unnoticed by the world. She was beaten to death with a heavy object
> near Georgetown University. What makes us think BILL's thugs did it? In the
> pre-trial publicity surrounding Paula Jones lawsuit, Newsweek's Mike Isikoff
> dropped hints that a "former White House staffer" with the initial "M" was
> about to go public with her story of sexual harassment at 1600
>
> Pennsylvania Ave. They were LOOKING for the DIVINE MISS M, and sure enough,
> shortly afterwards, gunmen entered the Georgetown Washington D.C. Starbuck's
> and shot #14 below .
>
> 14. MARY MAHONEY - This former White House intern was murdered July 1997
> just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the
> White House. An attractive 25 year old woman, Mary was a former White House
> Intern for Bill Clinton working as the Assistant Manager at Starbuck's.
>
> Sadly, Mary's two associate coffee clerks, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory
> Evans, 25, were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in
> her, from at least two different guns, most likely with silencers. A total
> of ten shots were fired; none of them heard by neighbors in the densely
> populated Georgetown section. Mary was shot in the chest, her face, and in
> the back of the head.
>
> Someone wanted her very dead. Or to send a message. Even though more than
> $4000 remained in the store, the police have categorized the triple murder
> as a robber, even as they acknowledge the "execution style" killings.
>
> There was no sign of forced entry, which means that the killers were let in
> (at least one hour after closing) by either Mary of one of the employees.
> That means that the killers included at least one person known to the
> victims or were very upper class types. One report is that the Starbuck's
> was still locked when the bodies were found the next morning.
>
> Now, ROBBERS don't bother locking doors!
>
> Of course, Mike Isikoff's "former White House staffer" finally surfaced and
> its NOT Mary Mahoney, or Christine Mirzayan but Monica Lewinsky. If the
> killing of Mary Mahoney was to Silence a "bimbo eruption", imagine how
> tragically wacky that the hitmen actually got the wrong two women! (Also,
> just how many of the interns was Clinton getting oral service from anyway??)
>
> VINCENT FOSTER
>
> THE MOST FAMOUS STIFF
>
> 15. Vincent Foster White House Counsel, Hillary's longtime co-worker/friend,
> maybe co-depositor on her Swiss Accounts, maybe even lover, her closest
> associate at Little Rock's ROSE LAW FIRM, which would
>
> read more ยป...

Injectculated into Monika's mouth, 3 trillion
kids...............lol.........she had a soup hole mouth.

American Patriot

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Clinton injected a few asses too, that we know.

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owl

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Good example of Misdirection.

Rather than holding Bush W. accountable you are harping on Clinton ?

Who are selling US weapons that eventually get used against us ?

Who was the first to arm Osama Bin Laden when they were fighting the
Russians ?

You have left out the fact 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

Why Does Regan get a free pass on Iran Contra ?

It's very easy to see the motivations behind all this. Just follow the
money.
Much of it is going to Halliburton.

What political party votes against medical benefits of veterans ?


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> associate at Little Rock's ROSE LAW FIRM, which would make THE FIRM in the
> "THE FIRM" MOVIE with TOM CRUISE look like a coven of PIXIES. ROSE FIRM
was
> basically a bunch of greedy influence peddlers. i.e., "how much ya wanna
pay
> to get this law through, or get to this politico?"
>
>
>
> Vince was mixed up with Israel, on their payroll, (fronting for Billary?)
> stashing cash in Switzerland, which was found out the week he died,
> 7/21/93 - Found dead in a public park in DC of a supposed suicide by
> gunshot.
>
> A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, in his briefcase,
> after his office had been entered by white house staff.
>
> The torn into pieces "suicide" note, (leaked despite official efforts to
> keep it from view) has since been revealed to be a forgery.
>
> The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still
in
> his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was
no
> gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the
> investigation of it. Only print on gun not his. 3" exit hole in back top
> head but no brains on the ground.
>
>
>
> An FBI memo has surfaced dated the day after the date of the official
> autopsy, in which the autopsy official informs the FBI that there was NO
> exit wound. And Foster had an unreported gunshot wound to his neck which
had
> nothing to do with hole on top. So everything is screwy as if a gang of
> people had all tried to do separate cover-ups.
>
>
>
> Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons' personal finances. All
> Hillary's files were removed from his home hours after his death. Foster
was
> implicated by this JUGGERNAUT investigation of their finances.
>
>
>
> Also, he'd had his own Swiss accounts raided, emptied. He'd reportedly
made
> a phone call to Hillary just hours before his death. Foster was distraught
> that week and probably also had called Bill complaining. A supposed Fifth
> Column independent vigilante group had discovered his Swiss bank stash.
> Group was really a phalange of the FBI or CIA, which used the INSLAW
> software to penetrate Swiss banks then dethrone politicos for graft or
> CONTROL THEM with blackmail. Vince had almost certainly gone to Clinton
> demanding protection, threatening exposure.
>
>
>
> DEAD COMMERCE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS
>
>
>
> 16. RON BROWN - Minutes away from having to testify against Clinton. He
was
> way high up, Secretary of Commerce and former Democratic National
Committee
> Chairman, but they killed him and 35 other people. Said to have died by
> impact in a plane crash but pathologist close to the investigation
reported
> that there was a hole in the back of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot
> wound! At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, had spoken
> publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
>
>
>
> His death brought to an end his ability to testify. As of this writing,
> Judicial Watch has petitioned for the investigation into on Brown's
dealings
> to be expanded to include his death. (NOTE: Ron also belongs on the dead
> fund raisers list as that was his first job for Clinton.)
>
> Regarding this crash, THE WALL STREET UNDERGROUND, (Nicholas A. Guerino
was
> the newsletter publisher) compiled a detailed and revealing report. His
> evidence led him to the conclusion that the radio beacon guiding Air
Force-2
> was deliberately diverted to send the plane into the mountain.
>
>
>
> Among the incredible anomalies that he cites is the fact that, on orders
> from high, the customary air safety investigation of plane crashes was
> killed. Croatian, Russian, and French TV and the U.S. European command in
> Stuttgart, Germany announced that the 'black boxes' containing the flight
> date recorder and the cockpit voice recorder were recovered and delivered
to
> the U.S. Marines.
>
>
>
> However, Pentagon brass later denied this and stated that Air Force-2 was
> not equipped with flight data and voice recorders (Interestingly, an LA
talk
> radio station took a call from a man who identified himself as the
> electronics technical expert who stated that he personally installed the
> 'black boxes' in AirForce-2 and completely ridiculed the Pentagon
statement
> that the plane that had carried Hillary Clinton less than two weeks
earlier
> on her trip to Europe was suddenly not equipped with flight date and voice
> recorders.
>
>
>
> Also odd, Maintenance Chief Niko Jerkuic, in charge of the radio beacon
that
> guided guided Air Force-2 into that mountain committed 'suicide' shortly
> after the crash by shooting himself in the chest. Cilipi's air traffic
> controller also commits suicide and the tapes of the control tower
> disappear. That makes 35 dead on the plane, 2 on ground. 37 that we're not
> going to put on the MAIN LIST of 85 dead. But there is a body we should
> count.
>
>
>
> 17. SHELLY KELLY - Air Force Stewardess who is riding in the tail of the
> plane, sustains only minor cuts and bruises, and was able to board a
rescue
> helicopter without assistance. She later dies at the hospital from loss of
> blood. According to journalist Joe L. Jordan, an autopsy revealed a neat
> three-inch incision over her main femoral artery that was inflicted at
least
> three hours after all her other cuts and bruises. Clinton hastily ordered
> all bodies of the victims to be cremated.
>
>
>
> 18. BARBARA WISE - Commerce Department Staffer. Died 11/29/96 - As the
> scandals continued to swirl around the Commerce Department, and most of
all
> about John Huang, one of Hang's associates, Barbara Wise, was found dead
in
> her locked office at the Department of Commerce, partially nude and
covered
> with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced. Oddly enough,
> following the discovery of her body, Bill Clinton made an unscheduled
return
> to the White House from Camp David, claiming he needed a book of poetry in
> order to complete his inauguration speech. She was a looker so maybe
Barbara
> belongs on the Babe list? Well, who says you can't belong to two lists at
> the same time?
>
>
>
> 19. CHARLES MEISSNER - Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International
> Economic Policy. Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a
> Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security
> clearance. Who gave it to him? Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter,
Charles
> Meissner died in the crash of a small plane.
>
>
>
>
>
> FOLLOW THE MONEY DEPARTMENT
>
> FUND-RAISERS ACTUALLY NAMED
>
> "RAISER"
>
>
>
> 20. VICTOR RAISER II - National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President
> Campaign.
>
>
>
> 21. MONTGOMERY RAISER - Son of Victor. Both men died, 7-30-92, in a
private
> plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition. No cause was ever
> determined. Five others not connected to Clinton died with them. - DeeDee
> Meyers described Raiser as a "major player" in the Clinton organization.
> Victor Raiser was also chairman of Mobile Telecomm Technologies Corp.,
whose
> subsidiary, SkyTel Corp. is an international paging company used by
federal
> police agencies such as the FBI. Victor Raiser was a Washington lawyer and
> he was counsel to the Washington law firm of Jones Day Reavis & Pogue
until
> 1991. At his death, he was the national finance co-chairman of the Clinton
> for President Campaign and the campaign's press secretary. He and his wife
> had been friends of the Clintons for ten years. He was the past national
> finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He served on the
> boards of the Democratic Business Council and the Center for National
Policy
> and the board of advisers of the Democratic Leadership Council. On May 29,
> 1993, President Clinton announced that he had selected Raiser's widow,
Molly
> Raiser, 50, former Democratic co-chair of the Women's Campaign Fund, to be
> his protocol chief and stated that he planned to nominate her for
> confirmation as an ambassador.
>
>
>
>
>
> The "No Good Deed Shall Go Unpunished" Society
>
> more CLINTON FUND-RAISERS
>
>
>
> 22. PAUL TULLY - Democratic National Committee Political Director. Died
> 9/24/92. Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas of "unknown
> causes." No autopsy allowed . Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and
> trusted advisor."
>
>
>
> 23. DUANE GARRETT - Radio Host and Al Gore fund raiser. Died: 7/26/95 - A
> lawyer and a talk show host for KGO-AM in San Francisco, Duane was the
> campaign finance chairman for Diane Feinstein's run for the senate, and
was
> a friend and fundraiser for Al Gore. According to Garrett's lawyer;
Garrett
> was under investigation for defrauding investors in Garrett's failed
sports
> memorabilia venture. There was talk of a deal to evade prosecution. On
July
> 26th, Garrett canceled an afternoon meeting with his lawyer because he had
> to meet some people at the S.F airport. Three hours later he was found
> floating in the bay under the Golden Gate Bridge.
>
>
>
> 24. HERSHEL FRIDAY - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994
> when his plane exploded. I'm torn between putting him in the Dead Lawyer's
> Society and the Dead Fund Raisers. This man knew CLINTON and was a lawyer
> AND a fundraiser so he belongs on a list all his own. The Dumb Sonovabitch
> society. He statistically shoulda seen it coming.
>
>
>
> 25. ED WILLEY - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the
> woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed
Willey
> died on the same day his grieving wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill
Clinton
> groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved
in
> several Clinton fund raising events. Kathleen would have been killed if
> she'd given notice she was going public with her Bill tidbit, but she
> learned from her husband's mistake and DID NOT give notice. She smartly
went
> public .
>
>
>
>
>
> The Wisdom of NOT Keeping Little BLACK BOOKS Dept.
>
>
>
> 26. JERRY LUTHER PARKS - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in
> Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside
> Little Rock. died: 9/26/93 - Shot through the rear window of his car. The
> assailant then pulled around to the driver's side of Park's car and shot
him
> three more times with a 9mm pistol. Traffic anxiety? Freeway sniper?
>
> Whaddya bet it was a BILLIE BOY HIT SQUAD! Parks' family reported that
> shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and
> their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). When
> news of the discovery of Vincent Foster's body came over the news, Pa is
> reported to have said,"Bill Clinton is cleaning house". Parks had been
> compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was
stolen
> before he died.
>
>
>
> 27. JAMES BUNCH - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had
a
> "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited
> prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
>
>
>
> 28. JAMES WILSON - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging
> suicide, reported to have ties to Whitewater and files full of info.
>
>
>
> 29. JON PARNELL WALKER - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust
Corp.
> August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal. Mysteriously
> fell to his death from an apartment balcony. He was excited about this new
> apartment which was being fixed up for him, and was just visiting it, not
> living there yet, the same apartment which was alleged to have been a
secret
> getaway which Foster may have visited.
>
>
>
>
>
> "THREATEN TO BLAB" WITNESS RELOCATION PROGRAM SCHOLARSHIP
>
> RECIPIENTS
>
>
>
> 30. KATHY FERGUSON - Ex-wife of CLINTON regular, Trooper Danny Furguson.
> Died 5/94 of a supposed gunshot suicide in her living room. Bullet in
head.
> There was a suicide note found by the body. However, friends were
surprised
> at having noticed nothing wrong previously. And even more curious, found
> nearby were several packed suitcases, as if she expected she was going
> somewhere. A lot of these Clinton stiffs have had other things on their
mind
> when they suddenly say 'oops, maybe I should kill myself.' Kathy was the
> former wife of Arkansas state trooper Danny Ferguson, who is alleged to
have
> escorted Paula Corbin Jones to the hotel room for her alleged episode of
> sexual harassment by then-Governor Clinton. Ferguson's wife was reported
as
> a possible corroborating witness for Ms. Jones. Danny Ferguson is a
> co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones's sexual
> harassment suit. His ex-wife was reported as a corroborating witness for
Ms.
> Jones.
>
>
>
> 31. BILL SHELTON - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.
> Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June,
> 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his
> fiancee. His crime? Making a fuss about his girl getting murdered.
>
>
>
> 32. CALVIN WALRAVEN - 24 years old, Walraven was a key witness in Jocelyn
> Elder's son's drug case. Ten days after Elder's son was convicted of
> trafficking in cocaine, Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a
> gunshot blast to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman says
> "no foul play is suspected."
>
>
>
> 33. NEIL MOODY - son of Vince Foster's Widow's new husband. Died Aug. 25,
> 1996 Following Vincent Foster's murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a
> judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went
> to jail for contempt, Judge Moor's son, Neil died in a car crash. There
were
> other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling
among
> his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it
> just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. He was
> alleged to have been
>
> talking to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post about a blockbuster story.
> Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another
> person just prior to HIS old clunker CAR SUDDENLY SPEEDING OFF OUT OF
> CONTROL AND HITTING A BRICK WALL.
>
>
>
> 34. RON MILLER - Died October 12th 1997, investigated by authorities over
> the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was
> the man who tape recorded CLINTON FUND RAISERS Gene and Nora Lum and
turned
> those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight
> investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance
> violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their
contributions
> to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired
Ron
> Brown's son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through
him
> to the Commerce Secretary, according to Nolanda Hill's testimony.
Reportedly
> a healthy man, Ron suddenly took ill on October 3rd, 97 and steadily
> worsened until his death 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning
> which only intelligence uses as it leaves no traces. KGB uses it.
>
> Common Castor seed plant. Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors
> at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma
> State Medical Examiner's Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's
> Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has
refused
> to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever
completed
> but Ricin is very evaporative.
>
>
>
>
>
> NOW, IN RING THREE... THE MENA
>
> AIRPORT CIA FLYING FOOLS
>
>
>
> 35. BARRY SEAL - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, now known to
have
> been a drug runner for the CIA, reportedly kept in contact with Bill
> Clinton's head of security at the governor's mansion, Raymond "Buddy"
Young,
> the ex rodeo clown who is now the number 2 man at FEMA.
>
> Following his fall from CIA grace, Barry was sentenced to live at a YMCA
by
> a judge who also prohibited Barry Seal to either have any guns or to
employ
> any bodyguards. Corruption doesn't become any more obvious than this.
Barry
> was gunned down with machine gun fire in the parking lot of the YMCA.
>
> In violation of the court order, Barry had hired bodyguards who worked a
> rotation schedule. But the bodyguard who was to be there when Barry was
> killed never showed up. That bodyguard was a former associate (meaning
drug
> pilot) of Barry's named William "Bear" Bottoms. Bottoms continues to this
> very day to prowl the internet insisting that there never was any drug
> running operation at Mena, Arkansas.
>
>
>
> 36. Anonymous Mena Aircraft Mechanic - Barry Seal's aircraft mechanic at
> Mena (name unknown as of this time) died March 21, 1995 of an "overdose of
> mouthwash". (?) Must be a redneck thang. Regarded by local authorities as
an
> obvious homicide.
>
>
>
> AND THE CHILD-VICTIMS OF THE MENA TRAGEDY
>
>
>
> 37. KEVIN IVES & 38. DON HENRY - Known as "The boys on the track" case.
> Reports say the two 16 year old children may have stumbled upon the Mena
> Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report
of
> death was due to falling asleep on railroad track, Aug 23, l987. The State
> Medical Examiner, Fahmy Malak said so. This coroner turns up time and time
> again, lying for the state. Later when parents made a fuss, forensic
reports
> showed the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Later
it
> was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed
on
> the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back.
>
> Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon part of the Mena drug
> operation which went on when Clinton was Governor.
>
>
>
> BUT WAIT, the full cast of MENA ain't OVER. What about the EXTRAS? "The
MENA
> EIGHT." The following Arkansas citizens were all MURDERED, just for
> volunteering that they had INFORMATION ON THE "two DEAD BOYS" CASE that
they
> volunteered to give a grand jury.
>
>
>
> 39. KEITH CONEY - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a
truck
> while being chased by a car. Ruled traffic accident. July, 1988. Keith had
> information on the Ives/Henry deaths.
>
>
>
> 40. KEITH McKASKLE - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988. McKaskle had
> information on the Ives/Henry deaths, had told his family someone wasout
to
> kill him and told them "good bye".
>
>
>
> 41. GREGORY COLLINS - Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He
died
> from a gunshot blast to the face in January 1989. Declared a suicide.
>
>
>
> 42. PAUL OLSON - A Federal witness in investigations to drug money
> corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished 2 days of FBI
> interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others
on
> Sept 8 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994 Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the
> FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.
>
>
>
> 43. JEFF RHODES - He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry &
> McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died
> of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation,
> specifically that his hands and feet had been partially sawn off, leading
to
> the speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed. The body was
> then burned.
>
>
>
> 44. JAMES MILAN - had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was
> decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled
death
> due to "natural causes," claiming that the victim's small dog had eaten
the
> head, which was later recovered from a trash bin several blocks away.
>
>
>
> 45. RICHARD WINTERS - was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry, and had
> offered to cooperate and give INFORMATION. SEE DUMB DICK, SEE DUMB DICK
DIE.
> He was killed by a shotgun blast to the face during a "robbery" in July
1989
> which was subsequently proven to be a setup. Parenthetically, Dan Harmon,
> the Prosecutor who Winters reportedly made the offer to, has since been
> implicated in the Kevin/Ives deaths and is now in jail for running his
> office as a racket.
>
>
>
> 46. JORDAN KETTLESON - had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was
> found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990. Have you
> ever heard of any law case in HISTORY where 8 witnesses died? Some serious
> cui bonum here. That's "who benefits" in Latin, meaning, who would go to
all
> that trouble UNLESS they benefitted?
>
>
>
> EX-BODYGUARDS' CLUB (NINE OF 'EM) the
>
> "SEMPER FIDELIS ALBEIT DEFUNCTUS" Squadron
>
>
>
> 47. STEVE WILLIS 48. ROBERT WILLIALMS 49. CONWAY LE BLEU 50. TODDY
> McKEEHAN
>
>
>
> These four died in the SAME MINUTE, 2/28/93 "executed" by gunfire in the
> Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. - All four were examined by a
> "private doctor" and determined to have died from nearly identical wounds
to
> the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson,
> videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by
> Branch Davidians.
>
>
>
> In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on
> March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still
with
> the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who
> were killed in WACO -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans;
> Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little
> Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course
of
> the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas
office
> of the ATF confirmed that all four
>
> had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was
> campaigning for President, and while he had been governor of Arkansas.
>
>
>
> 51. STAFF SGT. BRIAN HANLEY (or HANEY or Hassey) - Clinton bodyguard.
>
>
>
> 52. MARINE SGT. TIM SABEL - Clinton bodyguard
>
>
>
> 53. MAJ. WILLIAM S. BARKLEY, JR. - Clinton Bodyguard
>
>
>
> 54. CAPT. SCOTT REYNOLDS - Clinton bodyguard
>
>
>
> This group died 5/19/93 when their helicopter crashed in the woods near
> Quantico, Va. Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the
fire
> department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was
> tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a
firefighter
> was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight
> to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths. A witness, out in
the
> woods, said that the bodies had been burnt by a ray of energy coming from
> the ground, and had caught on fire before the helicopter crashed. They
were
> burnt from within, without burning their skin or hair. Like a microwave
> cooks meat.
>
>
>
> SECRET SERVICE GUYS WITH HEADSETS BUT NO HEADS
>
>
>
> 55. ALAN G. WHICHER - Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. In October
> 1994, Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the
> Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF
> agents in that building (none of them came to work that day) did not reach
> Alan Whicher, who died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.
>
>
>
> 56. UNKNOWN SECRET SERVICE AGENT - killed when the C-130 carrying the
> Presidential Limos crashed near Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
>
>
>
> STIFFS WITH RIBBONS or THOSE WHO LIVE BY THE GUN, DIE BY THE GUN
>
>
>
> Next we have a little group of NINE military OFFICERS who were with Mr.
Bill
> on one of his 'on board, military' vacations:
>
>
>
> 57. DEPUTY COMMANDING GENERAL MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON - V Corps,
> Europe
>
>
>
> 58. COL WILLIAM DENSBERGER - Corps Chief of Operations and Plans
>
>
>
> 59.COL ROBERT KELLY - V Corps Chief of Intelligence Spec.
>
>
>
> 60. GARY RHODES - Crew Chief
>
>
>
> This group died together on 2/23/93 - All were killed when their Army
UH-60
> Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause was ever
> determined. - V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia
> peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt.
>
>
>
> These 4 officers, a reporter and 8 other government employees associated
> with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within 4 months of each
> other. Were their phones tapped and did someone hear them gossip about the
> prexy's on-board vacation?
>
>
>
> We don't have the names of the other 8 so were not adding them to our
number
> sequence. We have put together every list on the internet. What if these 8
> unnamed, were one of the named? So we are being ultra fair to Clinton
here.
> Were not stacking up MORE bodies than he actually is responsible for But
WE
> ARE GOING TO ADD THE FIVE NAVY AVIATORS. This is # 61., 62., 63, 64, 65.,
as
> they are reputed to be Five Navy aviators who were Clinton
> bodyguards/escorts (names not determined) died: 3/26/93 - Not the date of
> the other helicopter death. And that tag 'navy aviators' is unique enough
to
> add them. They all died in a crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. So that
> wasn't the group in Quantico though the deaths were a month apart. The
crash
> occurred shortly after the plane was "waved off" from a landing attempt on
> the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a "foul deck". -
>
> All five men had been Clinton's escorts during Clinton's visit to the
> Roosevelt 2 weeks prior.
>
> Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit
also
> died later in a separate helicopter crash. As tags weren't clear, were not
> adding THOSE THREE, either.
>
>
>
> DEAD MEN BLOW NO WHISTLES SOCIETY
>
>
>
> We've had a lot of witnesses of one kind or another. Here are some more,
> unique in that they were about to become WHISTLEBLOWERS.
>
>
>
> 66. JAMES BUNCH - Influential Texan. Died from a gunshot suicide, similar
to
> Vince Foster. Was discovered to have a "little black book" containing the
> names of many influential persons in Texas and Arkansas who visited
certain
> prostitutes.
>
>
>
> 67. JOHN WILSON - Former Washington DC Council member, Died 5/18/93. Found
> dead from an apparent hanging suicide. Claimed to have info on Whitewater
> and was threatening to talk.
>
>
>
> THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS A DEAD LAWYER SOCIETY
>
>
>
> 68. BILL SHELTON, ESQUIRE 69. GANDY BAUGH ESQUIRE 70. STANLEY HUGGINS
>
> The first two were Attorneys representing Clinton best guy pal Tycoon Dan
> Lassater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct so had heard
> puhlenty... died by jumping out a window of a tall building January 8th,
> 1994. Lasater, his client was a convicted drug distributor. Baugh,
Shelton's
> law partner, was "suicided" one month later on 2/9/94. Huggins was Partner
> in Memphis law firm investigating Madison Guaranty. Reported to have
> succumbed to viral pneumonia, his 300 page report has never been released.
>
>
>
> DOCTOR DEAD CANARY
>
>
>
> 71. DR. RONALD ROGERS - Dentist from Arkansas, killed in plane crash as he
> was on his way to an interview with a "London Sunday Telegraph" reporter
to
> reveal some Clinton dirt. Maybe Bill didn't FLOSS?
>
>
>
> 72. DR. STANLEY HEARD - Clinton's MOTHER's doctor, made Chairman of the
> National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his
attorney
> Steve Dickson in a small plane crash Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on
> Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather
> and brother. Died 9/10/93 in a plane crash outside Dulles airport, after
> their aircraft, rented after Heard's personal craft developed troubles,
> crashed while attempting an emergency landing after reporting a fire on
> board. Let's repeat that. They took off in a plane. It developed problems.
> They got it back to the airport. They rented a new plane. They took off in
> the new rented plane and IT developed a problem. On the way back to the
> airport it crashed. - Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory
> council, also personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather, and
brother.
> Whatever he knew never got HEARD --- except on a tapped phone!
>
>
>
> 73. STEVE DICKSON - Legal Counsel to that Chiropractor, Dr. Heard. His
only
> sin, being with Unheard HEARD. Should we count DR STAN? NAHHHHH. He's
> probably someone GOD wanted dead! God Clinton that is. What the hell,
let's
> count him, too.
>
>
>
> ILLEGITIMATE SPOOKS WHO ARE
>
> NOW LEGITIMATE GHOSTS
>
>
>
> 74. WILLIAM COLBY - Director of Central Intelligence (retired) Died
4-27-96,
> had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford who were the top
New
> world Order Rock flunkies! As Was the Kiss of Death Henry the K! "Ve Vill
> Make DERE Economy
>
> SCREAMMM". Certainly knew where all bones were buried as this was the
group
> that wanted the 'one world after all' with China a capitalist trading
> partner and 3 billion chinese paying taxes to the world banks, an agenda
> that has taken TEN prexies to deliver.
>
>
>
> At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for
> "Strategic Investment Newsletter". They covered the Vince Foster "suicide"
> in detail. Its editors hired three renowned handwriting experts to
> investigate Foster's suicide note, which hadn't been found when his
> briefcase was first searched, but later materialized, torn into pieces,
with
> no fingerprints on any of the pieces. Upon comparing this document with
> others of Foster's writings, these experts declared it was a forgery, and
a
> not very good one at that. So Colby was ratting out his spook pals... This
> had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that
Colby
> had already divulged too many of the CIA's secrets in the preceding years.
> Indeed, his dismissal by Ford was because of his over-cooperation with
> Congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing.
>
> It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro,
> the spying, phone-tapping on American citizens (in direct violation of the
> CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on
> unsuspecting citizens, and agency's using human guinea pigs for
mind-control
> experiments involving LSD, as we saw in CONSPIRACY THEORY movie with Mel
> Gibson, MK-Ultra program. Colby was in charge of the infamous Operation
> Phoenix during the Vietnam War, in which more than 20,000 South Vietnamese
> citizens -- supposedly Vietcong
>
> sympathizers -- were rounded up, tortured and executed. Must have found
> religion late in life.
>
>
>
> Phoenix was run by the infamous Hanoi station, same group that brought
back
> tons of heroin sewn inside G.I's bodies for the Mafia to distribute. THE
> ENTIRE CIA HATED COLBY, however, he died while Bill was prexy so he goes
on
> the list. According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing
> by neighbors who "recovered" his canoe, by one story from under the dock
at
> Colby's house, by another report, 1/4 of a mile downstream from Colby's
> home.
>
> Colby was by all report a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home
> unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. The
> official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop
> everything and go canoeing. On Monday, May 6th, Colby's body was found
just
> 20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been
> thoroughly searched several times by helicopters and search teams. Most
> notable about the body was the absence of a life jacket, which according
to
> his wife, Colby always wore on the water. Inferred is that a well known,
old
> co-worker called him and said come on down to the river and talk to me.
> Colby was not really planning on canoeing.
>
>
>
> 75. FLORENCE MARTIN - Spook # 2. Accountant subcontracting to CIA. Flo
died
> of 3 bullets to the head. Her work was related to the Barry Seal case. At
> the time of her death she had the account numbers and PIN for a bank
account
> in the Cayman's in the name of Barry Seal which held 1.4 million dollars.
> Immediately following her death, the money was moved to someplace in the
> Virgin Islands.
>
>
>
> IN CASE YOU'RE GETTING BORED
>
> A RED NECK JOKE to break the pace!
>
>
>
> 76. JOHNNY FRANKLIN LAUGHTON, JR.- Died March 29, 1998. In the spring of
> 1997, a tornado ripped through some junked cars at Johnny's Tranny Shop
and
> opened up the trunk of a car that proved to have a box of Whitewater
records
> in it, including a copy of a $27,000 cashiers check drawn on Madison and
> payable to one Bill Clinton. Johnny Franklin Laughton, Jr. realized what
he
> was looking at and here's the funny part......he turned the box of
documents
> over to the FBI. Is that a screamer? but wait. There's more.
>
>
>
> According to police, a year later, Laughton and a friend hit a telephone
> pole at a high rate of speed after their car had become airborne and left
> the road. They had driven less than 1/4 of a mile at the time of the
impact,
> in a '73 Pontiac Trans Am meaning this clunker got the TAKEOFF ratio of a
> brand new Ferrari.
>
> This manner of death is similar to the single vehicle accidents that
killed
> Paula Grober, and Neil Moody and Karen Silkwood. Single car accidents in
> clunkermobiles going warp speeds.
>
>
>
> MORE WHISTLEBLOWERS DEDUCTION:
>
> If It's BROKE, DON'T REPORT IT!
>
>
>
> 77. COL. JAMES SABOW - Died 1991, supposedly about to blow the whistle on
> drug running activity taking place on the naval base where he was
stationed,
> Col. James Sabow was found by his wife in the backyard of their home with
> his head blown off with a shotgun. The Navy ruled it a suicide. In all,
more
> than 40 deaths by individuals concerned with drug traffic on military
bases
> have been declared as suicides despite evidence that MURDER was involved.
>
>
>
> 78. ERIC BUTERA - An informant who came forward offering information
> regarding the murder of White House intern Mary Mahoney. He was promptly
> sent into a known crack house to make an undercover buy for the police and
> there was beaten to death by unknown assailants.
>
>
>
> 79. MAYNARD WEBB - Owned a small aircraft repair business, and had
stumbled
> on several aircraft whose tail numbers were being changed on a regular
> basis. Was about to go public when he walked head first into a spinning
> propeller.
>
>
>
> Here we have a list of woman
>
> THE DEAD FLOOZIES SOCIETY
>
>
>
> 80. SUZANNE COLEMAN - Reportedly had an affair with Billy when he was
> attorney general. Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her
> head. No autopsy allowed. Was 7 months pregnant at time of her death and
had
> told friends it was Bill Clinton's child.
>
>
>
> 81. PAULA GROBER - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf. Died 12/9/92
> in a one-car accident with no known witnesses...like Karen Silkwood or
> Princess Diana. Her body was thrown 33 feet from the car, indicating a
very
> high speed. A very attractive women, Paula traveled extensively with
Clinton
> from 1978 until her death. Clinton, through a spokesman, called Gober's
> death "a great personal loss." He also said, "Hillary and I extend our
> sincere sympathy to Paula's family. I had the privilege of (ahem)
'working'
> with her over many years."
>
>
>
> 82. JUDY GIBBS - Arkansas professional good ole girl and lady of the
night,
> belonged to a house that regularly blackmailed gentlemen clients. Had just
> told Police she'd cooperate in a probe on local cocaine selling. Both
> Clinton's bodyguard and her family say she was intimate with Clinton. She
> had been a Penthouse Playmate was so HOT that her house burned down with
her
> in it.
>
>
>
> MISCELLANEOUS DEATHS
>
>
>
> 83. DON ADAMS - Died Jan 7 1997. Long before Whitewater's land flips made
> the Clinton's circle of friends rich, many of the same players had been
> involved in a similar land swindle in Branson. Don Adams was a lawyer in
> Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being
swindled
> out of their life savings. He was found missing. Then he was found dead.
Muy
> misterioso. Branson has Clinton fingerprints all over it so let's COUNT
this
> stiff! As coke was a food staple in Little Rock during Clinton's Camelot
> there, and his rich buddies were into it, and busted for it, and coke
makes
> users greedy, deadly unemotional, cold and cruel, paranoic and irritable
we
> deduce that Bill's death squads were coked up back in the 70's and are
coked
> up still.
>
>
>
> 84. JIM WILHITE - Vice Chairman, Arkla, Inc. died: 12/21/92 - Died in a
> one-person skiing accident. - Wilhite had extensive ties with Clinton and
> Mack McLarty, with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his
death.
>
>
>
> 85. LANCE HERNDON - this Clinton Appointee was found BLUDGEONED to DEATH
in
> his bed. A prominent entrepreneur who received a presidential appointment
in
> 1995 Lance Herndon, a 41 year old computer specialist, appeared to have
died
> in his Atlanta mansion's bedroom, under the bedcovers, from a blow to the
> head. Mr. Herndon had not been shot or stabbed and there was no evidence
of
> forced entry or theft. The home had an elaborate security system.
Herndon's
> relatives said they unbolted the front door to gain entry into the home
and
> discovered his bloody body under the bed covers.
>
>
>
> Herndon founded ACCESS INCORPORATED an Atlanta based information systems
> consulting firm once listed by Inc. Magazine as one of the nation's fasted
> growing private companies.
>
>
>
> President Clinton had appointed Mr. Herndon to the high level White House
> Conference on Small Business, part of Ron Brown's Dept of Commerce. Jim
> Quinn at brought up quite an interesting point about the WH data base.
> Pressure is apparently being applied to the contractors and subcontractors
> who implemented the database and the phone network in the Whitehouse which
> tied the database to several other databases.
>
> There has been the assertion that Lance Herndon, a computer database
> specialist from Atlanta, may have been murdered because of his work on the
> White House Data Base. He died in the period when the WH phone records
> disappeared, containing hour of calls in dispute, within days of Janet
Reno
> handing over the brewing WH data base scandal to Kenneth Starr. The man
who
> finally incriminated NIXON had been a tekkie who'd installed sophisticated
> equipment. They weren't going to let History repeat itself.
>
>
>
>
>
> WOUNDED, ATTEMPTED MURDERS, BUNGLED JOBS
>
>
>
> GARY JOHNSON - lawyer who lived next door to Gennifer Flowers' apt.
Familiar
> with what was going on inside. i.e. visits from Bill, and of course, her
> gossip to him. Not dead, but beaten near death and left for dead. Had
> security videotapes of Clinton entering Gennifer Flowers' apartment. His
> tapes were taken. On 26 June 1992, he was severly beaten to the point that
> his spleen had to be removed.
>
>
>
> DENNIS PATRICK - Court clerk. Had millions of dollars laundered through
his
> account at Lasater & Co without his knowledge. Four attempts on his life.
He
> should get together with that guy in I LOVE YOU TO DEATH who owned the
pizza
> parlor. Imagine this patsy being alive. Somebody invested tens of millions
> of dollars, that he did not own, through his account at Lasater & Co.
> Lasater was a bigtime coke dealer with Tyson Chicken tycoon, and were
> laundering coke cash. Patrick has spoken to FBI agents and Fiske's
taskforce
> but remember, Starr predecessor FISKE was always working for the
> Intelligence group that runs Clinton and foxes don't really turn in other
> foxes fer eating hens.
>
>
>
> L.J. DAVIS - Reporter investigating Rose Law Firm for stuff on the C's,
> attacked at his hotel room in Little Rock. His notes were stolen. He wrote
> an article for the New Republic concerning Whitewater. Davis was attacked
in
> Arkansas on 14 February 1994, but survived head injuries, though some of
his
> papers concerning his investigation into Whitewater were stolen, including
a
> "list of contacts," and a "critical document." Based on a mysterious phone
> call he received before the beating, he suspects that his modem
transmission
> (you tekkies check THIS out!) of his story was intercepted (ie. that his
> phone was tapped). Davis is a contributing editor for
>
> "Harper's" magazine and does free-lance writing for many publications.
>
>
>
> MURDOCH - a "New York Post" Reporter, assaulted in Little Rock while he
was
> there collecting information on a story he wrote about Whitewater.
>
>
>
> LARRY NICHOLS - Former official in AR. and author of "The Clinton
> Chronicles." A terrific Super VIDEO is vailable from him. The man who
broke
> many of the Clinton scandal stories. Several attempts on his life.
>
>
>
> RUSSELL WELCH - an Arkansas cop, drug investigator trying to prove highly
> placed men were involved in coke trafficking, infected with military grade
> anthrax, lucky to have been diagnosed correctly, narrowly escapes death.
>
>
>
> More DEAD RELATIVES REGISTRY
>
>
>
> Death #86. (#123 if you count Ron Brown's fellow passengers). Theodore R.
> Williams - brother of Betty Currie, Clinton's private secretary. Ted was
run
> off a highway after being hit by a truck in December l997. He got out of
his
> wrecked car, climbed up an embankment to the highway, and then another
truck
> hit him, killing him instantly. This was just A MONTH before Betty Currie
> was scheduled to testify about Billy's Oval (Ovum?) Office doings. Betty's
> other brother, Lee Williams, had been beaten severely and hospitalized the
> August before.
>
>
>
> MISSING IN ACTION
>
>
>
> DAN SHORT - Arkansas cocaine bank President - Missing. Took local bank
into
> bankruptcy, told pals he was laundering cash for the Arkansas Coke Cartel,
> next day he and 71k are missing and someone goes to great lengths to
provide
> a body but dental records prove it's not his. No one knows where HE went.
>
>
>
> Now these 86 people have perished in strange circumstances .

American Patriot

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Bush inherited everything he got, so he isn't to be held accountable
9/11 was dropped on his lap by Clinton. so Clinton should be held
accountable for the attacks.


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owl

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"American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in message
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> Bush inherited everything he got, so he isn't to be held accountable
> 9/11 was dropped on his lap by Clinton. so Clinton should be held
> accountable for the attacks.

Where is your evidence to back this ?

Condeleesa Rice -
"I believe the title of the memo was "Osama Bin Laden determined to
attack inside the United States"
The Bush administration stated the information from the previous
administration was not actionable.

We could probably get more information about this but when Bush was asked to
go under oath before the 9/11 commision, Bush REFUSED.

So our civilians died, during his administation shortly after he was on
vacation.

What did the Bush administration do with this information ?
We will always wonder.

After 9/11
"Keep shopping"
We will erode the 4 ammendment and gather American's private information.

So while eroding our privacy this administration engaged a plan they had
since 1998.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

This URL PROVES Donald Rumsfield had from when the Supreme Court stopped the
Florida recount in 2000 to 2003. He had that time to build the "army you
want".

Shame on them for wasting our soldiers and having NOTHING to show for it.

Now it is looking like Afganistan is a failure and we are talking about a
war with Iran.
The burden for these expensive actions is beared only by the middle and
lower class.

I tell you the repuublicans vote against medical benefits of VETERANS.
and YOU
Fail to address that statement and Continue to whine about Clinton.

Clinton has not been president for 6 years. How many years will it take YOU
to hold ANY of the Bush administration accountable.

Baldin Lee Pramer

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On Feb 15, 1:37 am, "GoMavs" <m...@mavs.net> wrote:
> Oh please... that thing is ridiculous...If you really want to cream Bill
> then cream him for the 1.2 million who died of starvation in Iraq under his
> term (500,000 of those children under 5). Or the 1-2 million Rwandans who
> died under his watch. Or the hundereds of thousands who died in Somalia
> under his watch. Of the 300 thousand Albanians who died under his watch. Or
> the millions of North Koreans who died under his watch...

Clinton is not responsible for people in other countries who are
killed by their own dictators. Are you claiming we are legally the
worlds policeman and are responsible for everyone in the world's
safety?

Baldin Lee Pramer


Baldin Lee Pramer

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On Feb 15, 1:50 am, "American Patriot" <patr...@email.gov> wrote:
> but these were direct ordered killings on his orders.

He killed millions, maybe billions with his bare hands, too. In fact,
it was only his nonstop screwing of every woman in the United States
that saved the world as we know it. Had he not taken the time to screw
all these women, he would have been killing or ordering people killed.
We were well on the way to a zero population world. Thank God George W
Bush put a stop to it!

Baldin Lee Pramer

Roedy Green

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:27:55 -0700, "American Patriot"
<pat...@email.gov> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

>The Clinton Body Count is a list people , who in one way or another . Were
>connected to him.

But there is no evidence he murdered those people. He had no motive
too.

In contrast, the Bush list has much closer ties to Bush --
particularly the death of Bob Stevens.

see http://mindprod.com/politics/asbestos.html

But both these lists are peanuts compared with the casualties of the
phony Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
Priorities: Prevent global climate destabilisation. End both wars. Prepare for oil shortages.

Wilcox

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American Patriot

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Clinton didn't get bin_laden and you know it, that's the evidence.
You're being stupid.

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American Patriot

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but he is responsible for the ones he had killed here.

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American Patriot

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Nuittin wrong with that.

"Baldin Lee Pramer" <Baldin...@msn.com> wrote in message

> We were well on the way to a zero population world. Thank God George W

American Patriot

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He didn't have to with his bare hands, but he ordered it be done.
Why did all who are dead were connected to him.
Guaranteed they died of no accident

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owl

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"American Patriot" <pat...@email.gov> wrote in message
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> Clinton didn't get bin_laden and you know it, that's the evidence.
> You're being stupid.

I guess if you say so.
Your golden boy George W. has been quoted at saying in regard to Osama "I
don' t know where he is, nor do I spend much time thinking about it"

In the mean time George W. has vastly improved the recruitment for Al Qeida
when he invades a country
that had NO tie to 9/11.

If I am being stupid, we shall have to invent new vocabulary for what you
are being.

Wilcox

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American Patriot wrote:
> He didn't have to with his bare hands, but he ordered it be done.
> Why did all who are dead were connected to him.
> Guaranteed they died of no accident

Let's see that guarantee you worthless lying piece of shit.

Wilcox

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American Patriot wrote:
> Clinton didn't get bin_laden and you know it, that's the evidence.
> You're being stupid.

Cite you ignorant fuckwitt.

Baldin Lee Pramer

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On Feb 18, 2:37 am, "American Patriot" <patr...@email.gov> wrote:
> but he is responsible for the ones he had killed here.

You listed some you claim he killed. Is there any proof for any of
these? I suspect you're just reposting an article that makes you feel
good, and don't know of any real proof.

Baldin Lee Pramer


American Patriot

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you know the cites, so I don't need to give em.

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American Patriot

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do your rearch. Couurse you don't know what research means.
You are easy to hoodwink.
You buy every line of libral/commie bullshit hook line and sinker.
You march in lock-step with them


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American Patriot

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there's proof all over, way to much to post here.

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Wilcox

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American Patriot wrote:
> you know the cites, so I don't need to give em.
>
I am sorry but if you would be so kind as to point me to one publication
that makes this statement I would be very gratefull.
Something like this for an example:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history

Wilcox

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American Patriot wrote:
> do your rearch. Couurse you don't know what research means.
> You are easy to hoodwink.
> You buy every line of libral/commie bullshit hook line and sinker.
> You march in lock-step with them
>


What might give you that impression? If you could produce something that I
have posted that you have issues with I will be happy to help you with your
problems.

Until that time comes I will only have to hope that you can some how redeem
yourself and prove you are not that total buffoon you seem to have become.

Here is your chance to shine so don't pass it up.

Borntokill

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> ...
>
> read more ยป- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

your mother fucker brush-shit.

American Patriot

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You've seen the cites so you know what they are, so no need to repeat them.
It's useless to prove anything to you.
You only believe "approved sources"


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American Patriot

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You are hopeless.
and your "approved sources" are fucked up.

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American Patriot

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COWARD

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