Come and knock on our door! JANET WOOD!
HotelAngel23NC
conversation, and thought I'd grace you lovely folks with my presence!
I have been off webtv for over three years now, and I can certainly see from
this group, absolutely nothing has changed.
Its astonishing to see people come here, get slapped in the face, and leave
for a little while, only to return to a big giant kick in the rear end, LOL. It
seems to be a common practice for many of the posters here, and a great form of
entertainment for the rest of us! ~(passes the salt and butter to Dirk)
Now to the question everyone has been waiting for me to answer.
Yes, it is, and was me. Everything Carol re-posted under the thread "Tyler's Ex
Roomate Speaks" were originally posted by me. The fact that Tyler questions
their authenticity is rather strange, considering the fact that we have
discussed them.
Tyler and I had a falling out over the phone right before I originally made
those posts, So there is no reason for him to deny them, and I continue to
stand behind everything I said.
That being said, do I believe Tyler is a terrible person? No I dont. I think
Tyler is a Very insecure person, who has tried to use the internet to
"re-invent" himself into what he wants to be. The problem is, he wants to be a
hot, young, caring guy, that everyone loves. He has let this "Cyber-Tyler"
become his obsession. He has tried to manipulate everyone into loving "Tyler"
so much, that it has backfired on him. He revolves his life anound his online
persona, and has tried to become the same thing in real life, and he is not.
On those rare occasions I could pry him from the webtv, he was a different
person. He was Nice, Fun, Loyal, Generous...etc.....
For some reason, he is not comfortable with himself that way.
Tyler is a drama queen, a manipulator, and wants everyone to feel sorry for
him. I do Not. I think, if he would leave the internet alone, he would be a
nice guy, and a good friend, but he is too obsessed. I think his mental, and
physical problems are over played for sympathy, and to "get his way". His panic
attacks are fake.....they always seem to end when he either gets his way, or
gets pissed.
All that being said, I think it is childish and foolish for those of you that
have made personal attacks on "Tyler's" weight and size. The only thing these
attacks are doing is making you look childish and silly, and taking away from
your credibility.
Want my advice Tyler? Stay offline, and be who you really are.
From The last time we talked, I thought thats what you were really doing, but I
had obviousley been manipulated again. I'll not make that mistake again.
HUGZ and Slaps~
The Former Queen of alt.discuss-
Janet Wood!
HotelAngel23NC
exactly.
Thanks!
Janet Wood
Former Queen of alt.discuss
Kevin Burke
To address a few of your points -
The attacks on Tyler's weight and size continue because they get his
attention, and serve to remind him of the pain his attacks have brought
to others. Tyler continues to try to justify his existence by attacking
others he has had disagreements with, and posing these groups as the
"evil them" against the "good Tyler." If he would ever drop that and
treat even the people he disagrees with with the respect he himself
seems to seek, I can assure you that the comments about him being obese
and short would cease.
Despite your assessments of this group being "the same," the reality is
that most of us here are forgiving, but choose not to be abused.
MM is a classic case. He lies about all aspect of his life because as
he says, truth is boring." While that in and of itself is not too much
of a problem, his lies are always calculated to get an advantage on
someone, or to make someone feel badly about themselves. That is why he
is constantly called on his lies, and the truth brought to everyone's
attention.
Tyler is slightly different, but not much. He needs to be the center of
attention, and when he is he plots and schemes, uses proxies to fight
his own fights and then feigns innocence when he is caught - and he is
always caught.
Short and simple - Tyler engages is reasonable discourse without abusing
people and I'm sure he will find that the members who post here will
EVENTUALLY give him a fair shake. Years of Tyler abuse does not go
away over night. Only Tyler can make this happen. He brought these
attacks in here, and he needs to take steps to correct the situation.
Otherwise, nothing will change here.
Thank you again Janet for your illuminating post.
HotelAngel23NC
"The attacks on Tyler's weight and size continue because they get his
attention, and serve to remind him of the pain his attacks have brought
to others. Tyler continues to try to justify his existence by attacking
others he has had disagreements with, and posing these groups as the
"evil them" against the "good Tyler." If he would ever drop that and
treat even the people he disagrees with with the respect he himself
seems to seek, I can assure you that the comments about him being obese
and short would cease."
Janets Respone:
True, while posts about his appearance get his attention, they get it in a
negative way, and cause him to lash out, giving the people that have NOT been
monotoring this situation for all these years reason to feel sorry for him,
and the way he is being treated/talked about, without even knowing the entire
situation. When you have just cause to talk about someone, and you ridicule
their weight problem, you loose all credibility for the main issue at hand, and
you give anyone else with a wieght problem, and/or a sypathetic heart reason
to feel sorry for/identify with them, and those people will block out anything
else you say, considering them as merit-less personal attacks, and that would
be just what he wants, and needs to gain a new following.
Kevin wrote:
"Despite your assessments of this group being "the same," the reality is
that most of us here are forgiving, but choose not to be abused."
Janet Responds:
Oh, I understand that, I am speaking of the "chosen few"
Kevin wrote:
"MM is a classic case. He lies about all aspect of his life because as
he says, truth is boring." While that in and of itself is not too much
of a problem, his lies are always calculated to get an advantage on
someone, or to make someone feel badly about themselves. That is why he
is constantly called on his lies, and the truth brought to everyone's
attention."
Janets Response:
MM is a different case, he flip flops more than John Kerry! lol (though I will
be voting for Kerry in the 2004 election)
Kevin wrote:
"Short and simple - Tyler engages is reasonable discourse without abusing
people and I'm sure he will find that the members who post here will
EVENTUALLY give him a fair shake. Years of Tyler abuse does not go
away over night. Only Tyler can make this happen. He brought these
attacks in here, and he needs to take steps to correct the situation.
Otherwise, nothing will change here."
Janets response:
Tyler is not willing to make peace here. Period. His problem is, that he values
his OWN friendships MORE than those of his friends. Its HIS agendas, His Call,
His problems, His solutions. You are FOR him, or against him, and that kind of
ultimatum doesnt work in a friendship. There has to be room for compromise and
resolution.
Janet Wood
~Former Queen of alt.discuss
Trai' La Trash.
LOL this is a million dollar post!
slee...@webtv.net
And now abides faith,hope,love-these three;but the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:13
Love,
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of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John
4:1
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For all have sinned.
Romans 3:21,25 (NIV)
21
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known,
to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from
God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no
difference,
23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are
justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ
Jesus.
25
God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his
blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his
forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--
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And Jesus Christ said:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,that
whosoever believeth in Him should not perish,but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world,but that
the world through Him might be saved." John 3:16,17
"Come unto Me all ye that labor and are heavy laden,and I will give you
rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me,for I am meek and lowly in
heart and ye shall find rest unto your souls." Matthew 11:28,29
My sheep hear My voice and I know them and they follow Me. And I give
them eternal life and they shall never perish;neither shall anyone
snatch them out of My hand. My Father,who has given them to Me,is
greater than all;and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's
hand. I and My Father are one."
John 10:27,30
"These things I have spoken to you,that in Me you may have peace. In the
world you will have tribulation;but be of good cheer,I have overcome the
world." John16:33
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Paul said:
Owe no one anything except to love one another,for he who loves another
has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit
adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not
bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if there is any other
commandment,are all summed up in this saying,namely, "You shall love
your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to a neighbor;therefore
love is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:8,10 NJKV
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Romans 12:18 (NKJV)
18. If it is possible, as much as depends on you,live peaceably with all
men.
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One thing I know,that,whereas I was blind, now I see. John 9:25 KJV
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And now abides faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these
is love. 1 Corinthians 13:13
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If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein
on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to
look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from
being polluted by the world. James 1:26,27
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God,the law,love and your neighbor.
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Leviticus 19:18 (English-NKJV)
You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children
of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the
LORD.
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Matthew 22:34,40 (NKJV)
34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they
gathered together. 35Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question,
testing Him, and saying, 36"Teacher, which is the great commandment in
the law?"
37Jesus said to him, ""You shall love the LORD your God with all your
heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38This is the first
and great commandment. 39And the second is like it: "You shall love your
neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and
the Prophets."
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Mark 12:28,31 (English-NKJV)
28
Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together,
perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, "Which is the
first commandment of all?" 29
Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: "Hear, O
Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 And you shall love the
LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your
mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. 31 And
the second, like it, is this: "You shall love your neighbor as
yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
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Luke 10:29,37 (NKJV)
But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my
neighbor?" 30
In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho,
when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his
clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest
happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he
passed by on the other side. 32
So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on
the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man
was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and
bandaged his wounds,
pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him
to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two silver
coins and gave them to the innkeeper. `Look after him,´ he said, `and
when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may
have.´ 36 "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man
who fell into the hands of robbers?" 37
The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus
told him, "Go and do likewise."
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Galatians 5:14 (English-NKJV)(Paul said) For all the law is fulfilled in
one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
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James 2:8 (English-NKJV)(James said:)
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You
shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well;
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Romans 8:28 :(NKJV)
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love
God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
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Matthew 5:43,48 :: King James Version
Jesus Christ said:
43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and
hate thine enemy.
44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use
you, and persecute you;
45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he
maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust.
46
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the
publicans the same?
47
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not
even the publicans so?
48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
Matthew 6:5,8 (KJV)
5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they
love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the
streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have
their reward.
6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast
shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father
which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use
not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall
be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them:
for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Luke 13:34,35 (KJV)
34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them
that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children
together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would
not!
35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you,
Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is
he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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Paul said:
Romans 13:1,4 (NKJV)
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is
no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are
appointed by God. 2Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the
ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on
themselves. 3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do
you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will
have praise from the same. 4For he is God's minister to you for good.
But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain;
for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who
practices evil.
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Acts 20:20,21 (KJ21)
20
and how I kept back nothing that was profitable for you, but have shown
you and have taught you publicly and from house to house, 21 testifying
both to the Jews and also to the Greeks repentance toward God and faith
toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8,10 (KJ21)
8
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it
is the gift of God--
9
not by works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath beforehand
ordained, that we should walk in them.
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The sins of Sodom
Ezekiel 16:49,50 (KJV)
49
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of
bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters,
neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they
were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them
away as I saw good.
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Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for
it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." Romans
12:19 (RSV)
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Acts 17:10,11 (KJ21)
10
And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto
Berea, who arriving there, went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These
were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the
Word with allreadiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily to see
whether those things were so.
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Repentance and Faith:
Acts 20:20,22 (KJ21)
20
and how I (Paul) kept back nothing that was profitable for you, but have
shown you and have taught you publicly and from house to house, 21
testifying both to the Jews and also to the Greeks repentance toward God
and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
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The just shall live by faith in Jesus Christ.
Galatians 3:10,14
(NKJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for
it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things
which are written in the book of the law, to do them." 11But that no one
is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just
shall live by faith." 12Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who
does them shall live by them."
13Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a
curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a
tree"), 14that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in
Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through
faith.
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If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray
and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from
heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. 2 Chronicles
7:14
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"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the
Son of man be lifted up:That whosoever believeth in him should not
perish,but have eternal life. For God so loved the world,that he gave
his only begotten Son,that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish,but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the
world to condemn the world;but that the world through him might be
saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned:but he that believeth
not is condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the
only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation,that light is
come into the world,and men loved darkness rather than light,because
their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light,
neither cometh to the light,lest his deeds should be reproved. But he
that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made
manifest,that they are wrought in God." John 3:14,21
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"When He (Jesus) had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them,
"Hear and understand: Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but
what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man." Then His disciples
came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when
they heard this saying?" But He answered and said, "Every plant which My
heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. Let them alone. They
are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both
will fall into a ditch." Then Peter answered and said to Him, "Explain
this parable to us." So Jesus said, "Are you also still without
understanding? Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth
goes into the stomach and is eliminated? But those things which proceed
out of the mouth come from the heart and they defile a man. For out of
the heart proceed evil thoughts,murders,adulteries,fornications,
thefts,false witness,blasphemies. These are the things which defile a
man,but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man." Matthew
15,10,20
"For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs
from thorns,nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush. A good man
out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good;and an evil man
out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the
abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."
Luke 6:44,45
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You sound so hostile, Ronny.
I thought your "Lord" taught you better than that.
HotelAngel23NC
>Subject: Re: Come and knock on our door! JANET WOOD!
>From: lest...@aol.com
Oh, Dont get confused folks, thats another one of my AOL names, lol
***=W=***
Now you say when I am not online I am fun, I am kind, and I am generous---sitting at a keyboard typing does not change who I am, nor does me giving an opinion, or me making it clear that I do not like or trust certain people---I am very blunt, and honest in those regards. I would have the same opinion real life, as online but I probably would word it a bit differently.
People often try to take advantage of the fact I am a nice person, and often think because I am a nice person I am just going to sit back and ignore things that are said about me or done to me. Certain people also have this strange idea that because I am a nice person I should always know the right thing to do, or what a persons needs are without them telling me---I tend to tune out those people because their expectations are too emotionally taxing and are quite disrespectful.
As for the panic attacks they are very much real, sadly panic attacks are one of the most misunderstood mental health issues---people often have the misconception about panic attacks that they person is just "upset" or that the person is "whining" or "trying to get their way"
None of you are medical Drs, nor are you licensed therapist---I find it laughable that anyone could have such a 18th century view of mental illness, just as I find it laughable (and quite sad) that anyone like Carol could support religious ideology that condemns homosexual behavior.
I am thankful that my panic attacks are under control more so than in the past---I still have them but not to the exstream I used to have them---Panic attacks never truly go away but with meeds, and therapy they can be managed. I have to thank my Dr because I have a damn good one, and he is treating my panic attacks with a blood pressure medication called INDERAL instead of putting me on something like PAXIL or one of the many other drugs that actually have added to my panic and distress rather than doing anything to help the problem.
Now as for the attacks on my weight from Kevin those have been some of the most hurtful but it is ok I realize that those attacks were an attempt to cause pain, and were deliberate malice on the part of Kevin---he must do this to get some sort of feeling of online superiority.
Fat or thin it does not matter---a person's weight does not give a person such as Kevin the right to be deliberately cruel or make fun of others. NO wonder eating disorders on the rise among young Gay men---it is because of assholes like Kevin and their deluded idea of what the acceptable body type is.
This is going to be my last reply on the subject, and I am sure you all will manipulate the post, pass it around with changed wording, call me names, make fun, and do what ever else you make the choice to do.
The thing is I am the one sitting here having the last laugh because anything you have EVER tried to do to me has always failed, and because my life is at a point where I can say I am actually happy with my life.
slee...@webtv.net
Kevin Burke
did. In your strange little world it is perfectly okay for YOU to lie,
attack, manipulate and cause havoc in peoples lives with no regard to
the consequences.
Again, EVERYONE who once defended you is either silent or sending
e-mails confirming every negative thing that has been posted about you.
Instead of trying to refute it, you try to deny the sources of the
material, only to have it blow up in your face like Wile E. Coyote in
the Roadrunner cartoons. Inquiring minds want to know: How do you get
that black powder residue off your face?
You claim that my calling you fat is cruel and hurtful, but you don't
give two second thought to the people - mainly teens who you tried to
destroy for the simple reason they did not make you the star of their
lives. If being called fat is the worst that has ever happened to you
on line, then your life has been blessed.
If you showed some true introspection and tried to make some sincere
show of contrition, you live on line could be a positive thing.
Janet has laid out some clear thoughts on the subject, and if you
stopped being so defensive, and stopped plotting long enough to consider
what has been posted here, you could benefit from it.
I'm not holding my breath, but there it is.
M M_
Kevin Burke
you. All I have ever done is respond to your lies in the forum you
posted them in. I have never threatened you, visited you, or called you
on the phone. Yet YOU created a look a like nic (copied after Carol's
nic and used it to call me twice after being told not to do so. The
messages still exist of you shrieking into my phone, threatening me.
You are using Janet's post to try to get around your edict that would
not respond to me - yet in fact you continue to try and provoke me.
Sorry, I'm not buying it.
As always every thread has to be about you. Another monument to the sad
emptiness of your life.
Don't forget to "print" this one too.
slee...@webtv.net
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Carol is obsessed with the online behaviors of myself and other Gay men, and it is obvious she will go to any lengths to get her way---The really funny thing is the saving the kiddies BS no longer works, she is posting in an adult group where it is clear her only motives are to cause pain and ruin reputations.
As for being accused of having an agenda NOPE not got one unless of course you count not having to listen to insane rantings of some breeder bitch who has it in for Gay people via Internet and the newsgroups.
I knew what she was about from the first time I saw her post trashing Gay people, and posting her religious garbage and I have not changed my opinion of her, or other religious zealots who use the lame old save the children from the big nasty queer tactics.
I am sure Robertson, Fartwell, Phelps, and the rest would cheer her on as she bashes and destroys people.
The funny thing is I have challenged Carol to show she has targeted people other than Gay people online, and I have challenged her to show 100% proof that can stand up in a court of law that everything she says is true---So far Carol has not been able to meet either challenge LOL
OH BTW!!!!! If you count me wanting to be left alone by a religious fanatic as an agenda then I have another one---I want to get married someday, and I hope in my lifetime that myself and other GLBT people have equal protection under the law (this includes equality in age of consent laws, and equality in laws that target sexual behavior)
M M_ wrote:
JANET ANGEL, you make many good points, and I am GLAD you don't stoop to Kevins level, there is NO REASON to pick on someones 'weight'.. but we all know Kevin heads for the heart of those he trails for YEARS.. what this subject alone is 6 years old??.. and the only people who want to continue to attack your former friend.. is Carol and Kevin. We know they aim to hurt.. and it's just not cool. Tyler has the right to post in peace. Not too many people are interested in this old subject anyways... we've seen it before, and it's really about time that your former friend be left alone to post in a normal way.. after all he does support the gay crowd. See, Janet sit back for a minute and remember the laughs and the good times, you had with Tyler, Dirk and even maybe with RealFox.. they are funny people. I spoke to RealFox and Tyler ONCE on the phone, and Tyler made me laugh with his style... I am sure he made you laugh MANY times too. In other words, enjoy the memories you had with him, GOOD TIMES and LAUGHS usually rise to the top. Of course we most likely will see Kevin and Carol, continue, that is the sad part, because ALL OF US, know how abusive they can be. I don't read Carol, we all know what to expect fro he/she. She is obsessed, and it is obvious she got YOU INVOLVED. Many want to post as Wicked did: "~Wicked~" <WickedR...@webtv.net> wrote in message news: Aren't you people tired of this same old sh#t?? Wicked But, many hope this will go away by itself.. we know Carol and Kevin will continue it, but OTHERS DON'T have too... I am dealing with Kevins stalking me for years in the court system.. believe me he will deal with this in front of a Judge, and the Judge will ask him what part of Law Enforcement he works for, and that is all the Judge will need to hear, someone in Law Enforcement, Stalking another American. Put it aside, and move on. Thanks, MM_ "HotelAngel23NC" <hotelan...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040524105015...@mb-m03.aol.com...
Trai' La Trash.
Hey Kevin let us know if you get any official paper work.
So you can countersue.
Trai' La Trash.
Trai' La Trash.
MM has his own little understudy.
Kevin Burke
As long as you keep referring to Carol as a bitch - among other things,
make disparaging comments about her physical condition, continue to
impute what ou THINK her religious views are and to attack her for
merely standing up to you when you were trying very hard to use Janet,
Dirk, and Chad to destroy a teenager, you will not get the respect you
claim to deserve.
You have been exposed by your "friends" as lying manipulators. I can
remember getting e-mail from a close friend of your who feared you would
out him from the closeted life he had built for himself. If there is a
"bitch" in this group, it sure as hell isn't Carol.
If you want to rebuild your reputation, you must do it one post at a
time. If you stay on issues without foolishly attacking people, I think
at some point you will be accepted here and in other places. If you
made an honest attempt to undo the harm you have done, you may be amazed
at what can happen here.
I'm serious. None of this constant bickering and flaming has brought
anyone any satisfaction. I am not however going to let lies about me,
friends of mine and people I know go unanswered. If you stop posting
them, then you don't have to worry about the negative responses anymore.
That would seem like a proposal you would be only to happy to embrace.
Paul L.
goes, this thread was intended for you by Janet....
However I have to agree with Janet,staying offline would be good for
you.
As far as panic attacks (anxiety) go,used to have them,haven't had any
in years.
Read a book about it,and learned without meds how to deal with them.
Learning what it is that triggers the attacks,not avoiding it
mentally,but facing it head on,desensitizing yourself.
You can take a few precautions that will help,standing under an a/c
vent,removing yourself from a situation,when you can feel it coming
on.Just walk out,go to the bathroom.
Breathe deeply as oxygen to the brain helps alot,breathe through our
nose and mouth.
My attacks were very painful and draining.
Usually my breathing became shallow,I had the sweats,and felt dizzy
almost as if I could pass out.
It was so bad at one time,if I even thought about having an attack,it
would happen (fear of having an attack publicly).
I have read alot about it,some say it's a chemical imbalance of the
brain. If it was how did I cure myself of this,no meds?The disorder is
more common amongst females,it is rare in men.
I can assure you I'm a very masculine man,but I had it.
I no longer suffer anymore...
J M
about the panic attacks. Joe said he thinks Tyler's panic attacks are
faked.
Quote:
Carol
coffin. *Hi* *Joe* ! :-)
HotelAngel23NC wrote:
> Ahhh, Wandering in ever so often, I happened to see my name come up
> in a heated conversation, and thought I'd grace you lovely folks with
> my presence! I have been off webtv for over three years now, and I
> can certainly see from this group, absolutely nothing has changed.
As far as the dynamics and the revolving cast of characters? You are right.
> Its astonishing to see people come here, get slapped in the face,
> and leave for a little while, only to return to a big giant kick in
> the rear end, LOL. It seems to be a common practice for many of the
> posters here, and a great form of entertainment for the rest of us!
I know that quite a few have said that is entertaining to watch certain
posters get their proverbial butts kicked, only to come back for more. I
guess they must love it, or something. They almost beg for it.
> ~(passes the salt and butter to Dirk) Now to the question everyone
> has been waiting for me to answer.
> Yes, it is, and was me. Everything Carol re-posted under the thread
> "Tyler's Ex Roomate Speaks" were originally posted by me. The fact
> that Tyler questions their authenticity is rather strange,
> considering the fact that we have discussed them.
> Tyler and I had a falling out over the phone right before I
> originally made those posts, So there is no reason for him to deny
> them, and I continue to stand behind everything I said.
Well, I don't know about that, he _did_ post this:
>"***=W=***" <HIPPOLY...@twcny.rr.com> >wrote in message
news:O0Hrc.238008$M3.9...@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>yes, I am sure one of you is going to come in here claiming to
>>be Janet LOL I could claim to be God, or I could claim to be
>>the pope---still would not make me that person LOL
>J M wrote:
>Chris (Tyler) Wrote:
>>>Nope I never said this person was you, however it is
>>>QUITE possible for you to have 2 phone lines---Many
>>>people do, so it would not be that far
fetched.
>>>Oh, and it is possible to move from computer to MSN
>>>TV in 4 minutes and post---MSN TV might be slow,
>>>but come on it is NOT that slow.
>>J M Writes:
>>>>I am not Carol idiot. I am and will be your worst
>>>>nightmare since 1999 pal. When Janet comes in
>>>>here you will be running for cover azz hole.
>>>>That is a promise Chrisy- Poo.!!!!!!!!
>>JM
His reason for denying the posts are yours, though, is because he *knows*
they are the truth, and are _your_ words. He denies the truth even when it
is right in front of his face.
> That being said, do I believe Tyler is a terrible person? No I
> dont. I think Tyler is a Very insecure person, who has tried to use
> the internet to "re-invent" himself into what he wants to be. The
> problem is, he wants to be a hot, young, caring guy, that everyone
> loves. He has let this "Cyber-Tyler" become his obsession. He has
> tried to manipulate everyone into loving "Tyler" so much, that it has
> backfired on him. He revolves his life anound his online persona, and
> has tried to become the same thing in real life, and he is not. On
> those rare occasions I could pry him from the webtv, he was a
> different person. He was Nice, Fun, Loyal, Generous...etc.....
> For some reason, he is not comfortable with himself that way.
> Tyler is a drama queen, a manipulator, and wants everyone to feel
> sorry for him. I do Not. I think, if he would leave the internet
> alone, he would be a nice guy, and a good friend, but he is too
> obsessed. I think his mental, and physical problems are over played
> for sympathy, and to "get his way". His panic attacks are
> fake.....they always seem to end when he either gets his way, or gets
> pissed.
You summed that up very well. Tantruming children are not 'terrible' people
either, yet the toddler years start of with the 'terrible two's'. Like a
toddler, he's not terrible, just his behavior. He knows how to put on the
classic tantrum when things don't go _his_ way.
> All that being said, I think it is childish and foolish for those of
> you that have made personal attacks on "Tyler's" weight and size.
> The only thing these attacks are doing is making you look childish
> and silly, and taking away from your credibility.
Having struggled with a weight problem myself, a side-effect of being
intersexed, that has not been my MO. I do know that Brad, Kevin, Craig, and
maybe others have used that; but my observation is that they do this in
return for the various names he uses against others. His language towards me
has been rather nasty and vicious, so some feel he should get back what he
gives out. The issue actually started with him, and he has often caused it
by his own words. I do understand your point regarding credibility, though.
> Want my advice Tyler? Stay offline, and be who you really are.
> From The last time we talked, I thought thats what you were really
> doing, but I had obviousley been manipulated again. I'll not make
> that mistake again.
>
> HUGZ and Slaps~
> The Former Queen of alt.discuss-
> Janet Wood!
You've done some growing up, it's not so easy for you to be manipulated by
Tyler and anyone else. As I recall, you were 19 or 20 at the most, when I
first 'met' you in ADSGT. And I recall you mentioning losing your father,
when you needed a friend the most, Tyler was simply not there for you, yet
he wanted you to be there for him. After all that, I can understand your
recognizing how you too were used and abused by Tyler, and would not allow a
repeat of that. I would like to know how you are doing, you had a job change
and you moved then, all big stressors. We never did connect on the phone,
but it may not be necessary at this point. I know that Brad did call you and
said you both had a good conversation and he thought you very nice. I really
was not ready and up to calling you then, medical issues were a priority
then, my own and my mother's.
And, for the record, those watching Chad knew all along that you and Dirk
were just pawns, and therefore mostly harmless. However, the heat was
sometimes shifted on you to divert from Chad, so he would suspect _nothing_.
It worked well, and he was probably more surprised than anyone. Tyler is an
alltogether different story, I have *no* idea if anyone anywhere still has
any interest in him. I am perfectly happy to leave him alone, but when he
starts attacking my friends and aquantances, and then me, he gets it right
back again. He needs to just shut up and leave _us_ alone. If you reply,
give an update as to how you are doing.
Carol
Carol
LOL ! Did you expect anybody else??? :-D MM *lives* here!
Carol
Carol
Good point.
> Kevin wrote:
> "Despite your assessments of this group being "the same," the
> reality is
> that most of us here are forgiving, but choose not to be abused."
>
> Janet Responds:
> Oh, I understand that, I am speaking of the "chosen few"
>
> Kevin wrote:
> "MM is a classic case. He lies about all aspect of his life because
> as
> he says, truth is boring." While that in and of itself is not too
> much
> of a problem, his lies are always calculated to get an advantage on
> someone, or to make someone feel badly about themselves. That is why
> he
> is constantly called on his lies, and the truth brought to everyone's
> attention."
>
> Janets Response:
> MM is a different case, he flip flops more than John Kerry! lol
> (though I will be voting for Kerry in the 2004 election)
I wish Kerry would stop the flip-flopping. I had really hoped that the
Democrats would finally provide a worthy candidate to oppose Bush. Unless
Kerry gets with the program, it is going to be another close election.
> Kevin wrote:
> "Short and simple - Tyler engages is reasonable discourse without
> abusing people and I'm sure he will find that the members who post
> here will EVENTUALLY give him a fair shake. Years of Tyler abuse
> does not go
> away over night. Only Tyler can make this happen. He brought these
> attacks in here, and he needs to take steps to correct the situation.
> Otherwise, nothing will change here."
>
> Janets response:
> Tyler is not willing to make peace here. Period. His problem is, that
> he values his OWN friendships MORE than those of his friends. Its HIS
> agendas, His Call, His problems, His solutions. You are FOR him, or
> against him, and that kind of ultimatum doesnt work in a friendship.
> There has to be room for compromise and resolution.
>
> Janet Wood
> ~Former Queen of alt.discuss
Agreed. People have really tried with him, Babs more than anybody. Babs
really hoped that Tyler could change for the better, but all to no avail.
This is just my observation from the groups. You actually lived with him.
They say that you can really get to know somebody by sharing living space
with them.
Carol
Carol
<slee...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18402-40B...@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net...
Group: alt.rasap Date: Mon, May 24, 2004, 11:34am (CDT+5) From:
hotelan...@aol.com (HotelAngel23NC)
>>HUGZ and Slaps~
>>The Former Queen of alt.discuss-
>>Janet Wood!
>Ronny:
>Honey,you were never queen of anything and certainly not of alt.discuss.
I think that was added for a reason. It was Janets' title in the troll
groups. We would recognize it, so I would guess it was intended as an
identifier. This way no one would be confused. A fake 'Janet' may not think
to add that. Especially important because Tyliar claimed that _anybody_
could come here and claim to be Janet Wood from WebTV. Just my observation.
Carol
Carol
>Actually I have little time for online if you look I post here which
>takes almost no braincells to reply to most
We've noticed that. Maybe you should post when you have more braincells
awake and operating.
>and is often done rather late at night / early morning---if you take a
>look Carol and others spend quite a bit more time online than
me.
Here we go witth the diversion tactic, let's point the finger at somebody
else, and it usually is me that you choose to divert to, completely
bypassing (you hope) what Janet said.
>Not that it matter how much time I spend online anyway---I
>own the computer, and I pay for the RR service, so that is really
>none of anyones business what I do in my free time.
And you always say "it's none of anyone's business", right after telling
them all about your business. Classic Tyler.
<snip>
>As for the panic attacks they are very much real, sadly panic attacks
>are one of the most misunderstood mental health issues---
>people often have the misconception about panic attacks that
>they person is just "upset" or that the person is "whining" or
>"trying to get their way"
And some people actually do 'whine' and 'try to get there way' by feigning
panic attacks. My sister has asthma. As a child, she had real asthma
attacks. But she also faked them to get attention or get her way in a
situation. Her own daughter has tried the same thing. My sister told her
that she was on to her, as she did the same thing as a kid. And, she said to
my niece, "I was better at it". You may very well _do_ have a panic
disorder, but you have learned to use it to your advantage by feigning them
when convenient. Many have been at the receiving end of your false attacks,
and they figured out what you were doing. People eventually do find out when
they are being connived into believing something that isn't actual. And when
they posted about it (those you lived with), others picked up on it because
one of your teenage victims in the gay teen groups wasa a teen who _also_
suffered from panic disorder.
>None of you are medical Drs, nor are you licensed therapist---I
>find it laughable that anyone could have such a 18th century view
>of mental illness,
In you case, I don't know if anybody has, or expressed having, such a view.
I happen to have Nocturnal Panic Disorder. I know _all_ _about_ panic
attacks, it would be very easy to fake. I only had them at night, a rather
rare type. Zoloft and Ambien took care of them initially. I take a low
maintenance dose of Zoloft, and have had no attacks for years. I was an
inpatient in a small Psychiatric center in Hagerstown because I had been so
sleep-deprived it was affecting my overall physical help(Kevin probably
knows which one), that was almost 8 years ago. Had a full Psych exam and did
not need any cognitive-behavioral therapy, since my attacks occured during
sleep and were not situational. The benefit of being in-patient was that
they put me in art therapy and occupational therapy. and that is where I
learned to intially do the micro/mosaics that I now do. Same acrylic and
polyurethane stuff I use at home, too. Like a Psych Hospital would use stuff
that contained dangerous chemicals, as you laughingly suggested in another
thread, with your reference about me 'huffing' the fumes. Who'w laughing
now? :-D
>just as I find it laughable (and quite sad) that anyone like Carol
>could support religious ideology that condemns homosexual
>behavior.
You don't really know what I support, only what you _think_ I do. Would you
say the same thing about Ronny, given that he lives in evangelical/fundie
territory and still embraces the faith of his childhood, yet disagrees with,
or interprets differently, that ideology? You are grasping at straws, and
have been for some time.
<snip>
>Now as for the attacks on my weight from Kevin those have been
>some of the most hurtful but it is ok I realize that those attacks were
>an attempt to cause pain, and were deliberate malice on the part
>of Kevin---he must do this to get some sort of feeling of online
>superiority.
His attacks were meant to give you a piece of what you gave others. Just
karma at work. What's your excuse for the abusive nasty language directed at
me? Do *you* do it to get some feeling of superiority? You certainly do so
with malice.
>Fat or thin it does not matter---a person's weight does not give
>a person such as Kevin the right to be deliberately cruel or make
>fun of others.
So, what gives *you* the right to do so in other areas?
<snip>
>This is going to be my last reply on the subject, and I am sure you
>all will manipulate the post, pass it around with changed wording,
>call me names, make fun, and do what ever else you make the
>choice to do.
Everytime you say it ios your last, it never is. Just more lies. You are
*soooooo* predictable. Right down to suggesting how others will respond by
manipulating, changing, teasing, etc. Everybo0dy picks on poor Cryler, he
*never* picks on anybody else. The ever-whining victim. No wonmder Janet got
tired off you.
>The thing is I am the one sitting here having the last laugh because
>anything you have EVER tried to do to me has always failed, and
Same here with the rest of us. As much as you tried to claim some sort of
victory, you still failed. All these people you supposedly think are in
agreement with you, are no coming in here in your defense. Yet many have
come here in opposition to you. One has to wonder *why* you stay and keep
stirring up things with the rest of us?
>because my life is at a point where I can say I am actually happy
>with my life.
The way you respond in here seems to say otherwise. Heck, when you were
telling everybody in menofweb that you were happy in your life, etc.; you
were telling Babs the opposite, and wanting to pluck us off the web
one-by-one.
Carol
But Our Lord also forgives and forgets when a person changes, so shouldn't
we? I realize you may not have kept up with what Janet/Joe has said in past
posts, and to me in an email or two; but Joe was still a teen (though not a
minor) and had apparently gone to the original gay teen group for support,
only to be overlooked. I am sure he felt rejected and was probably ripe for
Tyler's pseudo-friendship. Joe is not the same person, while Tyler hasn't
changed. I look at Joe as being another victim of the using and abusing
Cryler. People do change and grow, and deserve a chance to redeem
themselves. Joe's willingness to come in here and verify the truth says a
lot to me. Re-examine the issue and you may think things differently.
Carol
<slee...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18403-40...@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net...
Group: alt.rasap Date: Mon, May 24, 2004, 4:32pm (CDT+5) From:
lest...@aol.com (Lester250)
"The Queen of alt.discuss" was a title I gave myself years ago. You
sound so hostile, Ronny. I thought your "Lord" taught you better than
that.
Ronny:
If you knew my Lord then you would know that he is also positively
hostile to the (actions) of any adult who hurts a minor and or goes
along with another adult who does the same. It's called righteous
indignation. Look it up,if you don't know what that means.
Carol
> JANET ANGEL, you make many good points, and I am GLAD you don't stoop
> to Kevins level, there is NO REASON to pick on someones 'weight'..
> but we all know Kevin heads for the heart of those he trails for
> YEARS.. what this subject alone is 6 years old??.. and the only
> people who want to continue to attack your former friend.. is Carol
> and Kevin.
Tyler is the one who drew weapons _first_. The rest of us replied to defend
uorselves and each other from *him*. You always have it backwords.
> We know they aim to hurt.. and it's just not cool. Tyler has the
> right to post in peace.
How about *our* right to post in peace without Cryler coming in and flamming
us? Is it cool when he does it? And when _you_ do it? Point fingers at Tyler
and yourself before pointing them elsewhere.
> Not too many people are interested in this old subject anyways...
> we've seen it before, and it's really about time that your former
> friend be left alone to post in a normal way.. after all he does
> support the gay crowd.
Then convince him to listen to you when you tell him to stop replying to us.
He doesn't hear you enough. He needs to shut-up. Then he can be left alone.
But as long as he keeps up this smear campaign against others, he can expect
that what he dishes out will be dished right back at him.
<snip>
Carol
>You are 100% right MM I should be left alone BUT a certain religious
>idiot really has it in for me and other Gay people on here and
>refuses to leave me alone---
Then *YOU* should have kept your big fat mouth shut when you first came back
_IN_ here. You are the one that got _all_ of this statred again. *YOU*
attacked Kevin, then Craig, then me, Paul, Dave, Brad, Ronny, etc. If *YOU*
want to be left alone, then you must leave the *RES* *OF* *US* alone. Yet
you _can't_ seem to do that.
>Hell I have been accused of everything short of murder by this bitch.
Oh, the irony! More 'drama' from the queen of RASAP drama. You even outdo
Stale-Male in that department.
>It is revolting to her rant on and on how people need to be saved
>from me, or that anyone who talks to me is "brainwashed"---
Except there is not a single post I have made in here where I 'rant' that
people need to saved from you or that anyone who talks to you is
brainwashed. *YOU* are the one who keeps saying this, I have never said it.
Check Google
>Carol actually wrote an email to a friend of mine who I have known
>for quite awhile and accused him of being brainwashed LOL seems
>they accuse anyone I am close with of this.
Another one of Tyliars fairy tales in which he snags something out of thin
air to boost his argument. You keep trying, but, once a liar. always a liar.
>Carol is obsessed with the online behaviors of myself and other
>Gay men, and it is obvious she will go to any lengths to get her way---
>The really funny thing is the saving the kiddies BS no longer works,
>she is posting in an adult group where it is clear her only motives
>are to cause pain and ruin reputations.
The funny thing is how many times you are going to repeat the same BS in
order to convince the majority, and how you actually fail in that attempt
and make more adversaries instead, Ardeelow (RD) being the latest.
>As for being accused of having an agenda NOPE not got one
>unless of course you count not having to listen to insane rantings of
>some breeder bitch who has it in for Gay people via Internet and
>the newsgroups.
The above is practically indecipherable. Care to translate into
understandable and readable english.
>I knew what she was about from the first time I saw her post
>trashing Gay people, and posting her religious garbage and I have
>not changed my opinion of her, or other religious zealots who
>use the lame old save the children from the big nasty queer tactics.
I knew what *you* were all about too, using and abusing anybody you could.
The first thing you did, when I posted in ADSGT, was to email me and whine
about how all the teens ignored you and didn't care about you. You only use
the 'care for teens' to disguise what you really felt then, and feel now
probably.
>I am sure Robertson, Fartwell, Phelps, and the rest would cheer
>her on as she bashes and destroys people.
Except I haven't bashed and destroyed anybody. I warned you elsewhere, I
have stuff to post that has never been posted before, and I have permission
from the writers to post. Keep up the lies and I *will* post it. I have
clearly stated in the past that I have nothing in common with the above
mentioned people, and dislike them intensely. You really sink low in a
desperate attempt to pair me up with them, as I am _nothing_ like them. Not
even close.
>The funny thing is I have challenged Carol to show she has targeted
>people other than Gay people online, and I have challenged her
>to show 100% proof that can stand up in a court of law that everything
>she says is true---So far Carol has not been able to meet either
>challenge LOL
Oooooh... that uncomfortable laugh of a liar. I already told you that it is
not possible to prove that I have targeted others. There are no records,
what would you like as proof? You never respond when I ask you, you just
keep demanding, not challenging. In a court of law, the burden is on *YOU*
to prove that I _have_ _not_ targeted others. You can challenge all you
want. In real life, it does not work this way. US Judicial law, the burden
of proof is on you. So, I challenge *YOU* to prove _your_ assertation that
I only target gay men. I already know you can't. As to the evidence I did
post regarding you, and it's truthfulness, the onlly way to determine wether
it is provable in court, is if it actually *goes* to court. Only a court can
determine the truthfulnes. You again ask for an impossibility, but you know
that. And you hope that most peoplec are ignorant of that fact. But I won't
let you get away with the lies. The evidence I have provided is strong, and
verified by others. People who have established credibility, and, unlike
you, do _not_ have a history of chronic lying. Wether a court of law says
that the evidence constitutes 100% proof, is not relevant. What _is_
relevant, is that the court of public opinion, your peers, has found the
evidence to be strong, and that by a preponderance of the evidence, you are
what you have been claimed by many to be. And 100% proof is only crminal
court. Civil court requires a preponderance of the evidence. That is that
something is more likely to be true than not. Considering the sheer amount
of evidence, and the similarities in others testimonies, I would say that
that burden could be met. But only can a civil hearing detewrmine that. And
unless you plan on suing the rest of us, that is unlikely to happen.
<snip>
Carol
And if he does, I will be happy to send him a few things stored in the
Q-Files regarding MM' character. Will be glad to give a deposition regarding
MM cloning my nic and conning Kevin into giving his cell phone number.
Carol
J M
Re: Tyler's Ex Roomate Speaks
Group: alt.rasap
Date: Sat, May 22, 2004, 9:34am (EDT+4) From:
HIPPOLY...@twcny.rr.com (***=W=***)
Tyler Wrote:
Carol show us proof that these are not faked??? You are making the
claims so show 100% proof that will stand up in a court of law that this
is real, not forged, and was actually written by Janet.
Tyler Wrote:
What is it supposed to prove that Janet (or a person claiming to be
Janet) flamed me on D-R?????? All this proves is you have an agenda,
and are a vindictive, spiteful person.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Was this last posting by Joe faked Chrisy?
I told you Janet was coming in.
Everything that has been said about you is the truth Tyler and you know
it. All the dirt that you have done was to gay men and gay boys.
Religion has nothing to do with it.
Carol was asked for HER HELP by non religious GAY ex friends of yours
from the past that you have lied about and used.
The gay teens that you made up lies about behind their backs and
destroyed ASKED for HER help. Carol is not a homophobe and a very
friendly person towards gay people no matter what you say. She just
doesn't like LIARS whatever their sexual orientation.
The Gay community does not like you at all Tyler. Like it or not. You
are a manipulator of gay friends and the true truth about any subject.
You may fool some but not all Cryler. All your past ill deeds are
finally catching up to you.
Herm said Carol was using gay people as friends for her own religious
propaganda and being a net cop. I would say it's the other way around.
Some of the Gay community was actually using Carol to fight their
battles for them against Tyler the LIAR and fabricator of the truth. Gay
men came to her because of this liar.
Carol
> Tyler,Kevin is being sincere.The ball is in your court. As far as MM
> goes, this thread was intended for you by Janet....
> However I have to agree with Janet,staying offline would be good for
> you.
> As far as panic attacks (anxiety) go,used to have them,haven't had
> any in years.
> Read a book about it,and learned without meds how to deal with them.
> Learning what it is that triggers the attacks,not avoiding it
> mentally,but facing it head on,desensitizing yourself.
> You can take a few precautions that will help,standing under an a/c
> vent,removing yourself from a situation,when you can feel it coming
> on.Just walk out,go to the bathroom.
> Breathe deeply as oxygen to the brain helps alot,breathe through our
> nose and mouth.
That is what cognitive-behavioral therapy is supposed to do. He claims to be
in therapy for them. Some people need meds initially, along with the
therapy. Some need both on a continuing basis. Some only do better with meds
and therapy helps little or none. Most panic attacks are situational,
changing how you react in a situation that triggers them goes a long way in
eventually overcome them. Some people have anxiety disorders, with panic
attacks as a side-effect. This is a lifelong mental disorder and requires
medication. Panic attacks are often triggered by a stressful event. Tyler
mentioned being a victim of a hate crime as a teen, if I recall. If true,
that could have triggered them. Crime victims do develop such disorders.
Mine were thought to be a result of stress ( I had to suddenly move), I was
unemployed, having other problems, when I did become employed, I was having
problems. Finally, I had the car accident where I was struck by a drunk
driver and careened headfirst into a parked van. 18 weeks of PT, a diagnosis
of Fibromyalgia and Hip Dysplasia (the cause of early osteoarthritis),
running out of money to pay rent, all added to it. Moved into subsidized
housing, which helped with money problems, eased the attacks some. But they
eventually began effecting my sleep so bad that I was suffering from sleep
deprovation. After my accident, the woman who hit me was making threats
against me, she made them to the car repair owner where my car ended up
after the accident. She finally went to jail after being ordered to stay
away, and violating the order. The stress following the accident was
probably behind mine. I would have nightmares and wake-up with my heart
pounding and feeling as though I was being smothered. After a short stay in
a small Psychiatric unit, I have been doing really well, no attacks for
years.
> My attacks were very painful and draining.
My chest would hurt real bad, it felt like IU was having a heart attack. I'd
go to the ER and get an EKG and it was normal.
> Usually my breathing became shallow,I had the sweats,and felt dizzy
> almost as if I could pass out.
I would severely hyperventilate. The 911 dispather would have me breath in a
paper bag to normalize my breathing. When the paramedics would arrive, they
stuck on 02 saturation sensor on my finger, and usually ended up giving me
ogygen. I was often hypotensive, they could not get a blood pressure
reading.
> It was so bad at one time,if I even thought about having an attack,it
> would happen (fear of having an attack publicly).
That is called 'Anticipatory Panic Attacks'. They are triggered by the fear
of having them. Had that too, I didn't want to go to bed, I was afraid to
sleep.
> I have read alot about it,some say it's a chemical imbalance of the
> brain. If it was how did I cure myself of this,no meds?
It is. Usually serotonin is involved. In some people, epinephrine and
norepinephrine may also be involved. Not everybody needs the meds, therapy
can acheive it alone. If you were able to change how you reacted to
situations that triggered them, eventually you could stop them from
occuring. You were able to do on your own, what therapy would have done.
Changing the behavior, changes ones cognitive functions, which then can
repair the neurotransmitter imbalance.
>The disorder is more common amongst females,it is rare in men.
> I can assure you I'm a very masculine man,but I had it.I no
>longer suffer anymore...
In women, there is a strong link between hormones and the chemical
serotonin. That is why Fibromyalgia Syndrome occurs more in women than men.
My doctor used to have me take estrogen and place it under my tongue,
allowing it to be absorbed by the underside of the tongue, like with
nitroglycerin tablets. The estrogen did stop the attacks for a few hours and
allowed me to sleep. Men are more likely to have problems with the other
neurotransmitters I mentioned, triggered by cortisol increases due to
stress. Having panic attacks does not make one weeek or less masculine.
Carol
Paul L.
heart would race,and afterwards I felt dizzy,not cognitive,sometimes
felt sick. Usually took a few hours before I felt normal again.
Never had them in my sleep.The attacks affected,any social
interactions. I quite simply faced any Phobias that were causing the
problem. Coming out as a gay man and facing many past family issues,did
the trick for me.
Though as I reflect meds,would have been alot easier,as facing it
straight up escalated the attacks for a while,it was rough.
As I think back have only had 2 attacks in the past 3 years,mild.
Feel so much better...
The secret is to face whatever the triggers are...which is different
for anyone. My main trigger was my Father...not anymore,I'm free!
Trust me Carol ,you can understand when a minor is truly damaged. Oh
it's just a 17 year old...B.S.
I suffered, but the last few years of my life have been the
best,doesn't matter what curve ball life may throw my way,which are many
: )
M M_
slee...@webtv.net
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HotelAngel23NC
>I can easily think of another identifying mark/statement that Janet
>could make. :-) Someone else has already made it in one of the
>threads;but I've not begun to read them all,so don't know if Janet has
>done that himself or not? And right off of the bat I can't think of but
>one big thing I have against Janet. So if he already has and or will
>admit he was wrong on that and what he did about that,then I would have
>little against him except the fact that he could be a little smartass at
>times. And perhaps,
>hopefully that has changed as well?
>
>
Hi Ronny,
I assume you are speaking of the Paul situation. I have not changed my opinion
on that. I will say I could have gone about things in a different manner, but
there is nothing I can do to change that. From the overwhelming evidence I saw,
I believed Paul to be a 40+ year old man, not a 16 year old boy, and my opinion
of that has NOT changed.
Had Paul not been so well liked by the teens, And adults alike, this situation
would have likely been quickly pushed off the board, and forgotten....as I've
seen it happen several times before.
The truth is, we are online, and many people make up their own reality, and
there is only so well you can know someone.
Can any of you say that you know for a proven fact that Paul was a 16 year old
boy at the time he was posting in ADGT, and ADSGT? No. Nor can I say I Know for
a proven fact that he was not. I can only say what I believe to be true from
what I have seen.
Looking back on it now, I can say I was wrong in the way I went about many
things, though that doesnt change the way I feel about that situation.
BTW, Ronny, If you add any more scripture, I will have red the entire Bible in
your Signature, lol :-)
Janet/Joe
HotelAngel23NC
>You've done some growing up, it's not so easy for you to be manipulated by
>Tyler and anyone else. As I recall, you were 19 or 20 at the most, when I
>first 'met' you in ADSGT. And I recall you mentioning losing your father,
>when you needed a friend the most, Tyler was simply not there for you, yet
>he wanted you to be there for him. After all that, I can understand your
>recognizing how you too were used and abused by Tyler, and would not allow a
>repeat of that. I would like to know how you are doing, you had a job change
>and you moved then, all big stressors. We never did connect on the phone,
>but it may not be necessary at this point. I know that Brad did call you and
>said you both had a good conversation and he thought you very nice. I really
>was not ready and up to calling you then, medical issues were a priority
>then, my own and my mother's.
>
>
>And, for the record, those watching Chad knew all along that you and Dirk
>were just pawns, and therefore mostly harmless. However, the heat was
>sometimes shifted on you to divert from Chad, so he would suspect _nothing_.
>It worked well, and he was probably more surprised than anyone. Tyler is an
>alltogether different story, I have *no* idea if anyone anywhere still has
>any interest in him. I am perfectly happy to leave him alone, but when he
>starts attacking my friends and aquantances, and then me, he gets it right
>back again. He needs to just shut up and leave _us_ alone. If you reply,
>give an update as to how you are doing.
>
Im doing great now. I got a promotion at work, and thought its going well, I
think I'm going to be leaving it soon. I have been at that job for almost 7
years now (started there when I was 17), and dont think its what I want to do
with the rest of my life, so as soon as I get all my bills paid up in advance,
Im going to cut down to part time and go back to school, so I can find a
"Career" and not just a job.
My dad died (peacefully at home in his sleep) of complications from cancer in
December of 2002, so I left my apartment, and moved back in with Mom to help
her make ends meet, in the months it took for his life insurance to come
through. To My surprise, when it finally did come through, Mom bought me a
mobile home, so now I have my own place again :-) (well,me and my kitty,
cleopatra).
So all in all, Im doing great!
Have learned a lot about life, and about myself in these past few years.
Ive also learned that I can disagree with people, and do so in a civil manner.
I used to get angry, and lash out for little or no reason, and thats just not
who I am anymore. Life is so much better knowing that you can disagree with
someone, and do it with a smile on your face. I can be at least civil with
(just about) anyone, though I can still be a little sarcastic at time, LOL.
I've done a lot of things in my past that I would never do again, though I
wouldnt call them mistakes, or regrets, because without them, I'd never be who
I am now, and to be honest, I really like who I am now.
I hope all the rest of you are doing well also :-)
We'll all be seeing more of each other
Joe/Janet
Kevin Burke
met him, recently, at the college he attends, and have seen his webtv
box - with his original addy that he posted with in adsgt / adgt.
Kevin Burke
well professionally. Here's to even better times ahead for you.
HotelAngel23NC
>I can say for a proven fact that Paul was a 16 year old boy. I have
>met him, recently, at the college he attends, and have seen his webtv
>box - with his original addy that he posted with in adsgt / adgt
You can say that it's proven to you, but It's not proven to me.
I am certainly not trying to call you a liar, but I could "SAY" that I met him
as a 40+ year old man, and saw his webtv box, but that wouldnt make it a PROVEN
fact to anyone but me, and it goes both ways. If he has proved himself to you,
Thats great, but I am still not convinced.
If that's the case though, tell Paul hello for me, and that I wish him the best
in college, and in life.
Maybe, if he was (is) for real, and he reads what I'm saying now, he will feel
the same way.
I guess it goes to show, what I've always said, you can never really know
someone completely online, and minors shouldnt give out personal information,
or meet ANYONE they only know in cyberspace...adults should be wary of it
too...
Unfortuanely, adults sign on to the internet every day pretending to be kids,
and no one that see's them online knows any difference, because all we see is
what they allow us to see.
Too many parents use the internet as a babysitter, and that isnt healthy for
anyone. Parents should always know what their kids are doing online.
The problem there comes in when you have, say, a gay kid, who isnt out to their
parents. They go online to reach out to their peers in a way that they cant
reach out to them in real life, unfortunately, some of their "online peers" are
predators, and put them at terrible risk.
If their parents actually knew what they were doing online, they would be outed
before they are ready, and thats a bad thing.
At the same time, if the parents DONT know what they're doing online, it could
lead to disaster, so Im really unsure of where I stand on this issue.
When I was struggling with my sexuality, I didnt have the internet. Looking
back on it, I dont know if I wish I had, or am glad I didnt...
Joe/Janet
Joe
M M_
M M_
Kevin Burke
You make some valid points. Believe me - don't believe me, it matters
not to me. I mention it now because if any issue needs to be put to bed
it is this one. Paul is doing well, he's taking heavy duty course work
and he keeps his on lin posting to a minimum - as any rational soul
should. He has no desire to replay old issues, and is happy with the
way his life is going.
As to what we reveal on line - for many teens and adults it is very much
"learn as you go." The desire to be accepted tends to make people less
cautious - especially when they are new to all of this.
I would do things differently now, than I did when I came on line, but
defending Paul was an easy choice to make, and I have no regrets.
Trai' La Trash.
screen name! Got it?
And don't even think of the Notell Motel because that's what we call the
Winnie. <Grin>
Hope you don't have any neighbors like MM <G>
What model,how many feet you have?
When I had my tripple wide it was bigger than the house I have now and I had
it at the #2 park in GA in the #1 showcase spot.
The #1 park was owned by the same people and was on Stone Mtn in GA.
I went to a few parks in FLA and AZ where the site cost you 80k-120k and you
still paid $400-500 a month to live there but it was because they are all
out resorts with pools courts and golf and fishing.
Carol
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Group: alt.rasap Date: Tue, May 25, 2004, 12:00am (CDT+1) From:
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>>Carol to Tyler:
>><snip>The benefit of being in-patient was that they put me in art
>>therapy and occupational therapy. and that is where I learned to
>>intially do the micro/mosaics that I now do. Same acrylic and
>>polyurethane stuff I use at home, too. Like a Psych Hospital would use
>>stuff that contained dangerous chemicals, as you laughingly suggested in
>>another thread, with your reference about me 'huffing' the fumes. Who's
>>laughing now? :-D
>Ronny:
>I need to get more info on this acrylic and polyurethane stuff you
>mention here. Am I right in assuming the acrylic is the glue part that
>holds the mosaic pieces down and the polyurethane is the stuff you paint
>on such to waterproof it? I'm guessing that is right and or close to it?
>Just interested because I'm interested in doing somethings in home and
>want to use something that has the least dangerous fumes.
Uh. no. The acrylics are craft paints used for painting the wood surfaces of
my mosaic projects. The polyurethane is used to finish and seal the painted
surface. There is also a grout sealer, for protecting grout in outdoor
products. I use grout that is durable for outdoor use, buy it by the bucket
at a hardware store. It is cheaper than the little cartons of craft grout.
What you use to hold the tiles down, depends on what the object is. If
attaching to metal or terra cotta, for example, you need an industrial
cement or epoxy. Cement does give off fumes. Some epoxy's do, some don't.
On wood, Aileene's Tacky Glue is perfect. Easy to work with, fully dries in
24 hours. I go through Tacky glue a lot. The glue is needed just to hold the
tiles in place, and keep your design. It is the grout that really does the
job of permanently anchoring the tiles in a mosaic. You can even use grout
itself to attach tiles, I did that for some stepping stones. Or you can buy
tile mastic.
Carol
Carol
I can not say for a proven fact. But he left too much personal information
in old posts on USENET, much of that was usable in verify his story on a
number of things. Like, why he was posting during the lunch hour. I was able
to trace where he actually lived, the school was just up the road from him,
he easily could have gone home for lunch, which he himself had said. For me,
there were more clues that he was who he really said he was. The more I
searched, the more convinced I was. He is now in college, still has WebTV,
though he uses a laptop for school. I think if you were to back and
re-examine this issue, you might see it differently, and then maybe not. He
still posts on WebTV, and some posters have actually met/seen him. I have no
reason not to believe that they met with a young adult who is now in
college. I guess I am the opposite of you, I believe that there is more
evidence of him being who he claimed, perhaps it's how we all interpret
things.
Carol
Carol
Good to hear that all is well with you. My kitty Taffy says "Meow" (Hello!)
to your Cleopatra. Hope you can find a career that is meaningfull for you.
Good luck with school.
Carol
Carol
There are some statistics that I read somewhere that state that sexual
minority youth are more vulnerable to being victimized by dangerous internet
predaters, precisely because of the secrecy they keep regarding their sexual
minority status. Predators know this, and will therefore take advantage of
that fact when encountering a gay kid. The perfect threat to silence such a
child is to threaten to 'out' them.
Too many parents today are too busy, to even have a meal with their children
together as a family. How can they have time to monitor a childs' internet
activity? Unless they make the time, because they make it a priority. Also,
many teens want, and adults try to give, a modicum of privacy and trust. It
becomes difficult, you want to protect the kid, but you want to respect his
having some privacy too. Trusting can be very difficult. You would hope that
the foundations set in early childhood would carry your teen through. The
talks about good and bad touches and being careful around strangers. There
isn't really an easy answer to the dilemna. The internet can make things
easier, but it can be a source of danger to the unsuspecting. Evil disguised
as good can be hard for many to identify, even more so for minors.
Carol
ray
hope you are not in Toronado ally.
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Trai' La Trash.
attack???? If so then I think I had one<G>
Nothing will numb your arm make you feet wiggle and your dick grow like 240v
ac does. Oh wait yes there is. A hot Asian guy <grin>
slee...@webtv.net wrote:
> Group: alt.rasap Date: Tue, May 25, 2004, 3:11am (CDT+1) From:
> Wooki...@webtv.net (Paul L.)
> Carol you are correct about feeling like you had a heartattack. My
> heart would race,and afterwards I felt dizzy,not cognitive,sometimes
> felt sick. Usually took a few hours before I felt normal again.
> Never had them in my sleep.The attacks affected,any social
> interactions. I quite simply faced any Phobias that were causing the
> problem. Coming out as a gay man and facing many past family
> issues,did
> the trick for me.
> Though as I reflect meds,would have been alot easier,as facing it
> straight up escalated the attacks for a while,it was rough.
> As I think back have only had 2 attacks in the past 3 years,mild.
> Feel so much better...
> The secret is to face whatever the triggers are...which is
> different for anyone. My main trigger was my Father...not anymore,I'm
> free!
> Trust me Carol ,you can understand when a minor is truly damaged.
> Oh it's just a 17 year old...B.S.
> I suffered, but the last few years of my life have been the
> best,doesn't matter what curve ball life may throw my way,which are
> many
>> )
>
> Ronny:
> It's been a few years since I had any panic attacks and I don't think
> I
> had that many-very,very few in fact;but I can certainly remember one
> of
> them! LoL I was in a big Wal Mart store,between the check outs and the
> aisles,with no one close around me;but all of a sudden I felt like I
> was
> completely closed in. People way too close to me even though no one
> was
> that close in looking back on it;but at that time I just really
> wished I
> was out of that place and out in the open. I never have really
> understood why that happened,why I so suddenly had that panic that
> made
> me wish I was out of there and out in the open? I'm just glad I never
> again had that intensity of attack again.
>
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