Why don't blacks rebel against "black" media culture?
Spob
(Rajim? Raheem?) something or other, it reinforces my observation that
there's basically -0- variety in the marketing of black performers.
The same cliche'd musical textures and aimless "melodies", the same
choreography of movements, the same "uniform".
Rap performers come out with "WAZZUP!!" and go into the same routine
as every other rap performer, like they're hyping themselves up to
knock over an all night convenience market.
The females do only slightly better, they all do this same "urban
melisma". It would appear that there's an edict among all record
companies that one may not under any circumstance release a track
where there's actually a discernible melody. Unfortunately this has
become ubiquitous among white female performers too. Would someone
gently break the news to Joss Stone that regrettably, she is in fact
white? While they're at it perhaps put her on the next boat back to
England?
Where are the Stevie Wonders and Quincy Joneses of today? Instead
we've got these halftard chumps like Kanye West, Bobby Brown, Puff
Daddy or whatever the hell Sean Combs calls himself these days, etc.
etc. After all the bitching and marching about being free and not
being pigeonholed into stereotypes in life and in media, they've
simply created a different set of stereotypes to "define" blackness.
Um Jammer NATTY
On Jan 30, 1:16 am, Spob <pongespob_paresqua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Would someone
> gently break the news to Joss Stone that regrettably, she is in fact
> white? While they're at it perhaps put her on the next boat back to
> England?
>
Did they break the new to Mick Jagger and the Stones when they put out
their version of blued-eyed r'n'b? Did they break the news to Elvis?
Janis Joplin? Jerry Lee Lewis? Chet Baker? Dusty Springfield?
Oh wait - they are all musical legends. Your point is moot, sir?
Glad I mentioned Dusty (who Joss actually paid tribute to on some
awards show.) Britain has always had an affinity for American black
music... they've always modelled their sound after it. Not even
getting into the "all pop music is black music" debate, the success of
Northern Soul in the 50s and 60s was huge in the musical development
in the U.K. Even the punk movement of the 70s didn't manage to erase
it, in fact - most of the artists involved in the first wave of
British punk (John Lydon, Paul Weller, Wire etc... etc...) went on to
make soul, reggae or disco inspired music in the 80s. I seem to
remember Van Morrison paying tribute to Jackie Wilson... Billy Bragg
singing a sad song about Levi Stubbs and so on.
> Where are the Stevie Wonders and Quincy Joneses of today?
These are the only two names you could pull out of your uninformed
ass? Honestly, you have every right to rant, but don't attempt to
comment on things you have a limited knowledge of - it makes you look
stupid... and I'm sure, like Fredo Corleone, you want everyone to know
you're smart. There's plenty of talent out there. I'd say start with
Outkast, if you are really interested. They are probably the easiest
and most popular artists to come out of hip hop and make music that
WILL be remembered for it's genius in years to come. The Shocklee
Brother and Salder (The Bomb Squad,) Ant Banks and Too Short, Digital
Underground, RZA... these are just a few musicians (and yes, they are
musicians... some of them multi-instrumentalists) that have already
been lauded by critics - and are sure to hit the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame now that they've realized that hip hop is a product of rock and
roll more than anything.
>Instead
> we've got these halftard chumps like Kanye West, Bobby Brown, Puff
> Daddy or whatever the hell Sean Combs calls himself these days, etc.
Again, where does Bobby Brown fit into this? He hasn't made music in
a while. He's a reality TV star or something now. Half-informed
comments like this make you appear ingnorant.
Dismissing your lack of knowledge... on the flipside there's Maroon 5,
Chris Daughtry, Nickleback, James Blunt etc.... Where are the Jimi
Hendrix's? The Funkadelic's? The Bad Brains' of today?
I'm being cheeky - by mentioning black rock aritsts (I don't know if
you got the reference, you obviously don't know much about music) but
seriously, "rock" music (which I assume you'd view as white) is in a
slump as well (as far as radio/top 40 goes.) It's kind of always has
been that way. Every now and then an true artist breaks through - but
it's usually the death knell of their particular genre.
Case in point: Nirvana. Nirvana didn't come out of a vacuum... their
influences and peers made music just as good (if not better IMHO. )
But the Pixies, The Minutemen, Husker Du, Beat Happening, Big Black
never made it to mainstream radio. Once Nevermind (a truly great
album) broke - it ruined the sound. Punk Rock became grunge.
Mediocre bands like Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains got
airplay. The record companies manufactured even crappier bands to
cash in... and punk rock died. Cobain felt so guilty about it, he
blew his head off. Eventually, the fad died out, record companies
stopped making money on rock - so they went back to their safety net -
insipid pop music.
You want to know about music - black or white? Turn off MTV and turn
on to an indie blog (even a big one like Pitchfork.) MTV and Top 40
is not about music - it's about marketing clothes and cell phones.
Does it just piss you off that the marketing execs are using black
faces to sell swag to teenagers nowadays? Did you prefer it when it
was New Kids on the Block (I don't think anyone told them that they
weren't New Edition, BTW)??? Before Brian Wilson lost his mind, he
was so upset with media marketing through music - that he decided to
write a song advertising vegetables to the kiddies, in hopes that
they'd buy those instead of the surfboards and "little deuce coupes"
the record companies wanted him to sell. That was the mid 60s... so
this trend has been going on since the baby boom days.
The game hasn't changed, just the players.
The media will always propagate stereotypes. Stereotypes sell product
to the consumers. I am white - but I bear no resemblance to 95% of
the white people I see on TV. Maybe Dr. House, but that's about it.
As a cracker - I think I get more pissed off by how the media portrays
white people. All that shitty gelled hair... Wearing T-Shirts over
button down shirts... the Hollister/A&F Laguna Beach real world "it's
cool to be stupid and stare at a cell phone all your life" model...
the Rob and Big "look at me, I'm a rich wigger with an ACTUAL BLACK
FRIEND" model... These stereotypes upset me far more. No wonder your
kids want to be black!
Spob
> I hate feeding trolls, but sometimes I get the urge?
"...urge?'
You're not sure?
Yeah, bullshit. You can't claim you're above it all retroactively
after indulging your biased ranting to attempt to preserve an illusion
of superiority.
> > Would someone
> > gently break the news to Joss Stone that regrettably, she is in fact
> > white? While they're at it perhaps put her on the next boat back to
> > England?
>
> Did they break the new to Mick Jagger and the Stones when they put out
> their version of blued-eyed r'n'b? Did they break the news to Elvis?
> Janis Joplin? Jerry Lee Lewis? Chet Baker? Dusty Springfield?
Synthesis of prior influences isn't the same thing as outright
emulation as in the case of Joss Stone the annoying whigger songbird.
Your usage of the disparaging "Blue-eyed R &B" demonstrates the
"Negroes invented everything" school of bias you come from. By your
logic, black performers stole the tonal system they used from Western
European composers.
And Chet Baker? Apparently you're one of those "Baker was a Miles
Davis clone" revisionists. Other than they were both train-wrecks as
human beings, Baker was quite different than the great poseur Davis,
and Davis couldn't shine Baker's shoes as a player.
> Glad I mentioned Dusty
I'm sure you engage in self-congratulation quite frequently.
> Not even
> getting into the "all pop music is black music" debate,
What's to debate regarding a ridiculously incorrect statement?
> > Where are the Stevie Wonders and Quincy Joneses of today?
>
> These are the only two names you could pull out of your uninformed
> ass?
I don't recall seeing a minimum number one had to name listed
anywhere. Are you going to debate that they were two of the giants?
They seemed iconic enough.
(Iconic means they were very famous)
> Honestly, you have every right to rant
Well now isn't that just peachy keen of you to acknowledge.
> that have already
> been lauded by critics
I see, you need "critics" to tell you who's good. And I imagine you
actually believe the Grammy's mean something.
> and are sure to hit the Rock and Roll Hall of
> Fame now that they've realized that hip hop is a product of rock and
> roll more than anything.
Hip Hop and Rap are a social disease.
> >Instead
> > we've got these halftard chumps like Kanye West, Bobby Brown, Puff
> > Daddy or whatever the hell Sean Combs calls himself these days, etc.
>
> Again, where does Bobby Brown fit into this? He hasn't made music in
> a while.
So the fact that your previously mentioned R & B performers from way
back "haven't made music in a while" means they don't factor into the
discussion? The degree to which you value being on the current charts
seems to vary depending on the nonsense you're trying to smuggle in at
a given moment. Since it's not clear to you where BB fits into this,
he is or was a well-known performer though it's not clear to me that
he ever actually made "music".
> The media will always propagate stereotypes.
Only if there's a market for it.
> I think I get more pissed off by how the media portrays
> white people. All that shitty gelled hair... Wearing T-Shirts over
> button down shirts... the Hollister/A&F Laguna Beach real world "it's
> cool to be stupid and stare at a cell phone all your life" model...
So apparently you prefer the Carson Daly "pathological need to suck up
to black rappers" model.
Odd that the gold teeth, ostentatious jewelry, "dey beez", "I gots
me", "yo yo yo I beez from 'da hood" "youknowwhutIbesayin" black
stereotype doesn't bother you.
obbz...@yahoo.com
> Every now and then an true artist breaks through - but
> it's usually the death knell of their particular genre.
What the hell does that even mean - with or without grammatical
errors?
> Cobain felt so guilty about it, he
> blew his head off.
OMFG, you couldn't be any more full of shit if you tried. However I
imagine it's a full-time occupation for you.
Rightwinghank
First of all ...the music industry is controlled by jews....top to
bottom.
ask anyone in the field.
So...you pay the price...you rise to the top....no matter how shitty
your
music is.
Second...
The white man/teen doesnt listen to rap...
its country......
Only poor white trash whites listen to rap....losers.
love
hank
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