TUPAC...AGAIN
Robin L. Gibson
Ok folx, this time he's in New York charged (along with someone else)
of holding down some woman in a Manhattan motel and sodomizing her.
DISCLAIMER: I am *not* passing judgement. Just passing on
what CNN reported.
Robin
--
Robin L. Gibson gib...@email.ncsc.navy.mil
Coastal Systems Station, Panama City, FL
juonst...@bvc.edu
GOD DAMN IT I AM GONNA SHOOT MY TV!!
I AM SICK OF THIS!!
REPORT SOME SHIT ON VANILLA ICE OR SOMETHING HUH?
YOU MEDIA PEOPLE JUST WANT TO FUCK UP HIP-HOP
FUCK YOU CNN!
*pant, gasp*
Peace from Flash (no peace to MOTHERFUCKING CNN)
Oliver Postlethwaite
In a previous article, juonst...@bvc.edu () says:
>GOD DAMN IT I AM GONNA SHOOT MY TV!!
>I AM SICK OF THIS!!
>REPORT SOME SHIT ON VANILLA ICE OR SOMETHING HUH?
>YOU MEDIA PEOPLE JUST WANT TO FUCK UP HIP-HOP
>FUCK YOU CNN!
Are you serious Flash? Do you think that if Vanilla Ice had raped someone
that CNN wouldn't pick up on it? Should they not report incidents of
alleged rape by public figures? I know you're dedicated to hip-hop and
all, but is that an excuse to dismiss the charges against Tupac? If you're
gonna blame anyone, blame him for getting himself into the situation in the
first place.
OnG
--
"I don't have any heavy message for the SPIN generation, other than, don't
layer your hair, grow it out straight." - Howard Stern
Oliver Postlethwaite - ab...@Freenet.carleton.ca - 564...@acadvm1.uottawa.ca
juonst...@bvc.edu
>
> In a previous article, juonst...@bvc.edu () says:
>
>>GOD DAMN IT I AM GONNA SHOOT MY TV!!
>>I AM SICK OF THIS!!
>>REPORT SOME SHIT ON VANILLA ICE OR SOMETHING HUH?
>>YOU MEDIA PEOPLE JUST WANT TO FUCK UP HIP-HOP
>>FUCK YOU CNN!
>
> Are you serious Flash? Do you think that if Vanilla Ice had raped someone
> that CNN wouldn't pick up on it? Should they not report incidents of
> alleged rape by public figures? I know you're dedicated to hip-hop and
> all, but is that an excuse to dismiss the charges against Tupac? If you're
> gonna blame anyone, blame him for getting himself into the situation in the
> first place.
>
artists when the same amount of extra focus isn't applied to everybody
else... maybe 2Pac did it maybe not but ten times that amount of shit
happens for REAL and the only reason they want to cover 2Pac and not the
ten other people is this: Controversial black rapper = big news item = more
commercial sales = more profit = FUCK YOU CNN!
Flash
Christopher Edward Hilker
In <1993Nov20....@bvc.edu> juonst...@bvc.edu writes:
>No what I am sick of is the extra attention that gets focused on hip-hop
>artists when the same amount of extra focus isn't applied to everybody
>else... maybe 2Pac did it maybe not but ten times that amount of shit
>happens for REAL and the only reason they want to cover 2Pac and not the
>ten other people is this: Controversial black rapper = big news item = more
>commercial sales = more profit = FUCK YOU CNN!
Oh please. How much coverage has there been of every detail of the Michael
Jackson molestation case? How much coverage has there been of the *rumors*
that Madonna is pregnant/has AIDS? How much coverage was there of Courtney
Love, wife of Curt Cobain from Nirvana, when it was alleged she shot
heroin while pregnant? Tupac is a musician and a public figure, and I
don't believe he's under any greater scrutiny than his peers outside rap.
If other musicians do what Tupac's accused of and we don't hear about it,
it's because they don't get caught and arrested.
C.
--
(chris.hilker) cs...@cats.ucsc.edu
"We feel affinities not only with the past, but also with the futures that
didn't materialise, and with the other variations of the present that we
suspect run parallel to the one we have agreed to live in." -Brian Eno
Kevvy Kev
Edward Hilker) wrote:
>
>
> In <1993Nov20....@bvc.edu> juonst...@bvc.edu writes:
>
> >No what I am sick of is the extra attention that gets focused on hip-hop
> >artists when the same amount of extra focus isn't applied to everybody
> >else... maybe 2Pac did it maybe not but ten times that amount of shit
> >happens for REAL and the only reason they want to cover 2Pac and not the
> >ten other people is this: Controversial black rapper = big news item = more
> >commercial sales = more profit = FUCK YOU CNN!
>
> Oh please. How much coverage has there been of every detail of the Michael
> Jackson molestation case? How much coverage has there been of the *rumors*
> that Madonna is pregnant/has AIDS? How much coverage was there of Courtney
> Love, wife of Curt Cobain from Nirvana, when it was alleged she shot
> heroin while pregnant? Tupac is a musician and a public figure, and I
> don't believe he's under any greater scrutiny than his peers outside rap.
> If other musicians do what Tupac's accused of and we don't hear about it,
> it's because they don't get caught and arrested.
>
> C.
WHAT??!!!?
Madonna's pregnant?
Kevvy Kev
"Socrates' philosophies were fatal"
Erika S. Stewart
e and 2Pac was involved, I know I have a serious problem with his song to the s
istas "Keep Ya Head UP"! He may not be a role model (thank GOD) and he may not
believe one word of his own lyrics but this is a real case of "art" imitating
life and I for one have had it up to here him everybody else's nonsensical beha
vior!!
Douglas, Zachary
In <1993Nov20....@bvc.edu> juonst...@bvc.edu writes:
> In article <CGrsC...@freenet.carleton.ca>, ab...@Freenet.carleton.ca (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes:
> >
> > In a previous article, juonst...@bvc.edu () says:
> >
> >>GOD DAMN IT I AM GONNA SHOOT MY TV!!
> >>I AM SICK OF THIS!!
> >>REPORT SOME SHIT ON VANILLA ICE OR SOMETHING HUH?
> >>YOU MEDIA PEOPLE JUST WANT TO FUCK UP HIP-HOP
> >>FUCK YOU CNN!
> >
> > Are you serious Flash? Do you think that if Vanilla Ice had raped someone
> > that CNN wouldn't pick up on it? Should they not report incidents of
> > alleged rape by public figures? I know you're dedicated to hip-hop and
> > all, but is that an excuse to dismiss the charges against Tupac? If you're
> > gonna blame anyone, blame him for getting himself into the situation in the
> > first place.
> >
> No what I am sick of is the extra attention that gets focused on hip-hop
> artists when the same amount of extra focus isn't applied to everybody
> else... maybe 2Pac did it maybe not but ten times that amount of shit
> happens for REAL and the only reason they want to cover 2Pac and not the
> ten other people is this: Controversial black rapper = big news item = more
> commercial sales = more profit = FUCK YOU CNN!
>
> Flash
Yeah, he's next album will be a duet with Slick Rick, or mabye something with
the lifers group...come on you think holding a girl while your buddy sodomizes
her isn't newsworthy...did he think he would get away with this?
I like 2, but I think he'll change his mind about his 'thug-life' bullshit when
he's the one getting it up the butt.
John Smith
>
> Yeah, he's next album will be a duet with Slick Rick, or mabye something with
> the lifers group...come on you think holding a girl while your buddy sodomize
> her isn't newsworthy...did he think he would get away with this?
>
> I like 2, but I think he'll change his mind about his 'thug-life' bullshit wh
> he's the one getting it up the butt.
>
>
>
>
This is amazing. Everyone keeps proving my point. Now Judge
Douglas, since you've already passed judgment on him, do you know the
girl's name? Do you know when and where this took place? Do you know the
physical evidence that this girl has to prove it? Oops sorry, forgot. I
forgot it goes "Guilty until proven innocent" in this country...
Enemy
TechnoDan
Well the fact that he's been arrested twice in like 2 weeks doesnt imply
anything, naw.... He's just being harrassed by the MAN... The MAN is
tryin to take down the good name of 2Pac. Heck, if Vanilla Ice or, say,
Willima Kennedy Smith shot a cop, or raped a women, it wouldnt even make
the fine print of the newspapers.
Anyway, UseNet is pretty much based on hearsay and opinion, I really dont
think chastising someone for posting their's is going to make one bit of
difference.
--
-Dan DuBois dmd3...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Kill two birds with one stone: Feed the Homeless to the Hungry."
"No!!!! Mike come back!"
"I got 18.58 million in NetHack 3.1.3 and you didn't."
K-Mello SGP '93
>Yeah, he's next album will be a duet with Slick Rick, or mabye something with
Slick Rick is out.
>the lifers group...come on you think holding a girl while your buddy sodomizes
>her isn't newsworthy...did he think he would get away with this?
Oh, I guess dude has already been tried and found guilty, huh?
>
>I like 2, but I think he'll change his mind about his 'thug-life' bullshit when
>he's the one getting it up the butt.
I guess that's the difference between you and him.
K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
John Smith
> en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (John Smith) writes:
>
> >Z3...@ttacs3.ttu.edu (Douglas, Zachary) writes:
> >> Yeah, he's next album will be a duet with Slick Rick, or mabye something w
> >> the lifers group...come on you think holding a girl while your buddy sodom
> >> her isn't newsworthy...did he think he would get away with this?
> >> I like 2, but I think he'll change his mind about his 'thug-life' bullshit
> >> he's the one getting it up the butt.
>
> > This is amazing. Everyone keeps proving my point. Now Judge
> >Douglas, since you've already passed judgment on him, do you know the
> >girl's name? Do you know when and where this took place? Do you know the
> >physical evidence that this girl has to prove it? Oops sorry, forgot. I
> >forgot it goes "Guilty until proven innocent" in this country...
>
> Well the fact that he's been arrested twice in like 2 weeks doesnt imply
> anything, naw.... He's just being harrassed by the MAN... The MAN is
> tryin to take down the good name of 2Pac. Heck, if Vanilla Ice or, say,
> Willima Kennedy Smith shot a cop, or raped a women, it wouldnt even make
> the fine print of the newspapers.
>
> Anyway, UseNet is pretty much based on hearsay and opinion, I really dont
> think chastising someone for posting their's is going to make one bit of
> difference.
>
> --
> -Dan DuBois dmd3...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
> "Kill two birds with one stone: Feed the Homeless to the Hungry."
> "No!!!! Mike come back!"
> "I got 18.58 million in NetHack 3.1.3 and you didn't."
Yeah, but Usenet isn't based on the spread of false information,
it's based on the spread of true information and opinion (your post was
nothing near opinion). Also, did Mr. Tupac ask for two men (who happened
to be cops, which he had no way of knowing while shooting BACK at them)
to shoot at him? And what's that statement about the MAN have to do with
anything? Is that your idea of what I'm thinking?
Enemy
Douglas, Zachary
Well, I don't think the girl wants her name released, I wouldn't, but I'm sure
it's out now though. It took place at Pacs hotel room after he took the girl
home. Then he called three of his buddies. As for physical evidence, I'm sure
the chick has an enormously torn ass-hole, and if they really did hold her or
tie her up, then she outta have some bruises too. No I myself haven't seen em,
so how would I know, but it will all come to light I'm sure..
The point I'm trying to make is that anyone who sells a million albums making
records and you know is raking in the doe, outta keep his nose clean. He
hasn't even gone to court for the other incident... and as for that one, I can
see where he may have been in the right to pull a gun, when two plaine clothes
guys start shooting at you (if that's what happened).
Anyways, I've got a right to make my own judgement given what I've heard.
The only reason I'm pissed about what he did is because I want him to make more
records and movies...not get in trouble with the law.
>
> Enemy
juonst...@bvc.edu
Thank you Enemy! That's my god damn POINT people CNN news coverage tends
to make people Guilty until proven Innocent... it's why they have to look
for jurors who DON'T KNOW THE CASE, and they usually end up being
UNEDUCATED HICKS like the first Rodney King jury.
Flash
Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi
|> en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (John Smith) writes:
|>
|> >Z3...@ttacs3.ttu.edu (Douglas, Zachary) writes:
|> > This is amazing. Everyone keeps proving my point. Now Judge
|> >Douglas, since you've already passed judgment on him, do you know the
|> >girl's name? Do you know when and where this took place? Do you know the
|> >physical evidence that this girl has to prove it? Oops sorry, forgot. I
|> >forgot it goes "Guilty until proven innocent" in this country...
|>
|> Well the fact that he's been arrested twice in like 2 weeks doesnt imply
|> anything, naw.... He's just being harrassed by the MAN... The MAN is
|> tryin to take down the good name of 2Pac. Heck, if Vanilla Ice or, say,
|> Willima Kennedy Smith shot a cop, or raped a women, it wouldnt even make
|> the fine print of the newspapers.
old Dan DuBois? - I mean, there was a minimum of idiocy in the post but
unfortunately it seems it is the same goat! Go terrorize some other nesgroup
with your foolishness! Useless battyhole of a bull gorilla!
|> Anyway, UseNet is pretty much based on hearsay and opinion, I really dont
|> think chastising someone for posting their's is going to make one bit of
|> difference.
Yeah - YOU hear very little but say very much based on this little, and
are too opinionated. Good rundown of your prior performance.
|> -Dan DuBois dmd3...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
|> "Kill two birds with one stone: Feed the Homeless to the Hungry."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Typical Dan Dubious shit. Leave him alone and he'll go
crawl away with all the other net cockroaches...
Dudu Black
"Ah true you chatty chatty chatty, me cyan live in peace" - Tony Rebel
"You fe see and blind, and hear and deaf" - Papa San
Douglas, Zachary
> dmd3...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TechnoDan) writes:
>
> > en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (John Smith) writes:
> >
> > >Z3...@ttacs3.ttu.edu (Douglas, Zachary) writes:
> > >> Yeah, he's next album will be a duet with Slick Rick, or mabye something w
> > >> the lifers group...come on you think holding a girl while your buddy sodom
> > >> her isn't newsworthy...did he think he would get away with this?
> > >> I like 2, but I think he'll change his mind about his 'thug-life' bullshit
> > >> he's the one getting it up the butt.
> >
> > > This is amazing. Everyone keeps proving my point. Now Judge
> > >Douglas, since you've already passed judgment on him, do you know the
> > >girl's name? Do you know when and where this took place? Do you know the
> > >physical evidence that this girl has to prove it? Oops sorry, forgot. I
> > >forgot it goes "Guilty until proven innocent" in this country...
> >
> > Well the fact that he's been arrested twice in like 2 weeks doesnt imply
> > anything, naw.... He's just being harrassed by the MAN... The MAN is
> > tryin to take down the good name of 2Pac. Heck, if Vanilla Ice or, say,
> > Willima Kennedy Smith shot a cop, or raped a women, it wouldnt even make
> > the fine print of the newspapers.
> >
> > Anyway, UseNet is pretty much based on hearsay and opinion, I really dont
> > think chastising someone for posting their's is going to make one bit of
> > difference.
> >
> > --
> > -Dan DuBois dmd3...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>
> Yeah, but Usenet isn't based on the spread of false information,
> it's based on the spread of true information and opinion (your post was
> nothing near opinion). Also, did Mr. Tupac ask for two men (who happened
> to be cops, which he had no way of knowing while shooting BACK at them)
> to shoot at him? And what's that statement about the MAN have to do with
> anything? Is that your idea of what I'm thinking?
>
> Enemy
OK, I know your followup was to Dan and not me, but since I am kinda standing
where he is, I just wanna say that I'm not going to pass anymore moral
judgements off on anyone. I just got into this, and I love rap, and love this
group...so I don't really guess it makes a difference what happens to 2-pac.
LIke I said, I wish he'd stay out of trouble so he can make some more music.
Anyways, I wasn't trying to spread any false information, I have seen the story
on Mtv, Etv, CNN, and other channels. I just said what I thought about it.
And someone said that just because it's 2-pac, they are making a big deal out
of it. But if you look Eddy Vedder is all over the news, and are good friend
the gloved one is too.
And when I said he would make his next album a duet with the lifers group, I
wasn't implying he was guilty. I was implying that he will be found guilty,
given the track record of blacks in his postion...yes, they are usually found
to be guilty until proven innocent. NOTE I THINK THIS IS WRONG! But what I
think isn't going to matter when he goes to court. Hopefully justice will
prevail (ha, that sounds like a joke these days) and what really happened will
determine what happens to him. If he's lucky, he will prove the girl wanted to
be gang-banged and tied down, and mabye she did, but chances of proof are slim.
Anyways, I'm white yes, and no I don't live the 'thug-life'. Pac can live it
if he wants to, but I will NEVER agree that it's right to do what he and his
friends did. (the recent incident, not the shooting incident). From now on
though I guess I'll try to keep my comments to myself, since I'm more into rap
than I am politics and would like to see things keep flowing like they are,
although a little discussion is good I guess.
I'm outta things to say, hope you get where I'm coming from....
KNIGHT, WILLIAM
Instead of calling him 2Pac how about 2Faced?
Jason Goodrow
>en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (John Smith) writes:
>>Z3...@ttacs3.ttu.edu (Douglas, Zachary) writes:
>>> Yeah, he's next album will be a duet with Slick Rick, or mabye something with
>>> the lifers group...come on you think holding a girl while your buddy sodomize
>>> her isn't newsworthy...did he think he would get away with this?
>>> I like 2, but I think he'll change his mind about his 'thug-life' bullshit wh
>>> he's the one getting it up the butt.
>> This is amazing. Everyone keeps proving my point. Now Judge
>>Douglas, since you've already passed judgment on him, do you know the
>>girl's name? Do you know when and where this took place? Do you know the
>>physical evidence that this girl has to prove it? Oops sorry, forgot. I
>>forgot it goes "Guilty until proven innocent" in this country...
>Well the fact that he's been arrested twice in like 2 weeks doesnt imply
>anything, naw.... He's just being harrassed by the MAN... The MAN is
>tryin to take down the good name of 2Pac. Heck, if Vanilla Ice or, say,
>Willima Kennedy Smith shot a cop, or raped a women, it wouldnt even make
>the fine print of the newspapers.
Well ... When William Kennidy Smith was busted the papers at least reported
his *denial*. Seems like an entertainer *denying* a rape charge should be news.
Initially, NYC print media left the "alledgedly" out of "held down a woman
while ...". Now they've added the alledgedly but not a word about the fact that he's denying the charge. With Flavor Flav, he led the cops to the gun and was
admitting to the crime (to the best of my knowlledge) - I saw video tape of
Tupac protesting his innocence but didn't see anything in the NYTimes.
Now if it was Vanilla Ice ...
goodygood.les
K-Mello SGP '93
> Don't give me the "its the MAN'S fault" He shot two people whether it was
> self-defense or not shooting someone is a crime. All the gangster are part of
Whether it was self-defense or not shooting someone is a crime? Think a second
about how ignorant that statement is... Finished? Okay, now imagine someone
started shooting at you FIRST, and you had a tool on you. Are you trying to
tell me that you wouldn't defend yourself, and that you wouldn't feel you had
the right to do so? As far as I can recall, self-defense is not a crime.
> the problem with our world. And raping a woman or atleast helping to rape a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now here he's guilty...
> women is a crime. I thinks its kind of funny to listen to "Keep you head up"
> knowing what Tupac allegedly did. The guy fucked up bad and now he's going
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now here he's innocent...
Which one is it?
> to have to pay.
>
>Instead of calling him 2Pac how about 2Faced?
I wont even go there...
K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
st93...@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
> I must agree with you...The way that the media treats African Americans and Ra
ppers in general is fucked up. No one ever hears the truth. It's always
> skewed. The way that thy're doing Michael Jackson is fucked up. The way they
did Tyson was fucked up. Unfortunately I have to think of Tupac in a whole
> different light. Tupac has never been a favorite of mine. I resented the
> fact that he did all that r&b shit (Brenda's Got A Baby, Keep Ya Head Up...)
> and played up his gangsta image. Not that he's not real, but it seems like
> he tries so hard to maintain that image. I could deal with his shooting of
> the two officers. It appears as though it was in self defense. The rape is
> something totally different though. How can he do that after that "Keep Ya
> Head Up" single. He's nothing but a straight up hypocrite. He duzn't give
> a fuck. Unfortunately for him, now he's gonna pay for it.
>
> The other thing that I resent is that Tupac gives rap such a bad name. Most
> rap isn't like Tupac's shit. Most rappers don't act like Tupac does. Would
> you ever find Guru shooting a cop or raping a woman? What about Phife? This
> makes rap look awful and makes everybody think that all that rap is is pointle
ss violence. Most fans of rap know that this isnt the case. Tupac is fucking
> shit up for everybody. Every rapper is going to be under such scrutiny by
> the press and eventually by the government as a result of his behavior. The
> FBI is going to be all into rappers business now just like they were in MLK's
> business in the 60s. We better watch our backs, but unfortunately I think
> that our biggest foe comes from within.
peace
scout2
Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi
|> In <1mFDDc...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
|>
|> > > Yeah, he's next album will be a duet with Slick Rick, or mabye something with
|> > > the lifers group...come on you think holding a girl while your buddy sodomize
|> > > her isn't newsworthy...did he think he would get away with this?
|> > >
|> > > I like 2, but I think he'll change his mind about his 'thug-life' bullshit wh
|> > > he's the one getting it up the butt.
|> > This is amazing. Everyone keeps proving my point. Now Judge
|> > Douglas, since you've already passed judgment on him, do you know the
|> > girl's name? Do you know when and where this took place? Do you know the
|> > physical evidence that this girl has to prove it? Oops sorry, forgot. I
|> > forgot it goes "Guilty until proven innocent" in this country...
|>
|> Well, I don't think the girl wants her name released, I wouldn't, but I'm sure
|> it's out now though. It took place at Pacs hotel room after he took the girl
|> home. Then he called three of his buddies.
Can you be so dense?? The point being made (which you are proving again
with your stupidity) is that people don't wait until the case comes to court
before they decide who is guilty and why... until the case is tried and he is
convicted, he is *ACCUSED* of either doing this or being an accessory to the act.
Since you seem to know so much, help justice out and testify - you talk with
so much authority as if you were in the room if and when it happened.
|> As for physical evidence, I'm sure
|> the chick has an enormously torn ass-hole, and if they really did hold her or
|> tie her up, then she outta have some bruises too. No I myself haven't seen em,
|> so how would I know, but it will all come to light I'm sure..
Yeah, now you are manufacturing "evidence." FYI (as if you had half a
brain) sodomy includes oral sex, so before you create a crime to fit the charge,
check your head... oops, you don't have one.
|> The point I'm trying to make is that anyone who sells a million albums making
|> records and you know is raking in the doe, outta keep his nose clean. He
|> hasn't even gone to court for the other incident... and as for that one, I can
|> see where he may have been in the right to pull a gun, when two plaine clothes
|> guys start shooting at you (if that's what happened).
This is the only thing you've said that has made sense. People called
his contradiction on .rap as soon as he released "Keep your head up" after "I get
around." Regardless of whether the woman had gone willingly or not, the fact is
he clearly didn't "treat our women right." Well it isn't like any here thought
he was sincere in "Keep your head up." That still doesn't make him guilty
though...
|> Anyways, I've got a right to make my own judgement given what I've heard.
|> The only reason I'm pissed about what he did is because I want him to make more
|> records and movies...not get in trouble with the law.
I see... You aren't concerned that the young woman might have been
raped or sodomized - the only reason your pissed is so you can have 2pac
entertain you, other than from behind bars. You are a bigger hypocrite than
Tupac, and your words are right here to prove it.
Yeah, you have a right to your own sickening opinion - I wish I adn't
heard it though...
Selector Dudu Black
(Angry at homemade juries and Tupac, but hoping Shock G was right -
"nah they can't keep a black man down.")
John Smith
> In <1mFDDc...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>
> > Z3...@ttacs3.ttu.edu (Douglas, Zachary) writes:
> >
> > >
> > > Yeah, he's next album will be a duet with Slick Rick, or mabye something
> > > the lifers group...come on you think holding a girl while your buddy sodo
> > > her isn't newsworthy...did he think he would get away with this?
> > >
> > > I like 2, but I think he'll change his mind about his 'thug-life' bullshi
> > > he's the one getting it up the butt.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > This is amazing. Everyone keeps proving my point. Now Judge
> > Douglas, since you've already passed judgment on him, do you know the
> > girl's name? Do you know when and where this took place? Do you know the
> > physical evidence that this girl has to prove it? Oops sorry, forgot. I
> > forgot it goes "Guilty until proven innocent" in this country...
>
> Well, I don't think the girl wants her name released, I wouldn't, but I'm sur
> it's out now though. It took place at Pacs hotel room after he took the girl
> home. Then he called three of his buddies. As for physical evidence, I'm su
> the chick has an enormously torn ass-hole, and if they really did hold her or
> tie her up, then she outta have some bruises too. No I myself haven't seen e
> so how would I know, but it will all come to light I'm sure..
>
> The point I'm trying to make is that anyone who sells a million albums making
> records and you know is raking in the doe, outta keep his nose clean. He
> hasn't even gone to court for the other incident... and as for that one, I ca
> see where he may have been in the right to pull a gun, when two plaine clothe
> guys start shooting at you (if that's what happened).
>
> Anyways, I've got a right to make my own judgement given what I've heard.
> The only reason I'm pissed about what he did is because I want him to make mo
> records and movies...not get in trouble with the law.
>
>
>
> >
> > Enemy
Don't be so quick to come to assumptions. You might not know this
but women/girls bring up false charges that are so hard to prove just to
milk some millionaire out of their money. Plus do you think Tupac would
actually have to FORCE girls to fuck? Do you think Tupac would actually
force girls to fuck? Who knows. I'm not standing up for the guy but damn,
don't be so quick to follow the media's character assasinations...
Enemy
John Smith
> Don't give me the "its the MAN'S fault" He shot two people whether it was se
>
>
> Instead of calling him 2Pac how about 2Faced?
And for you how about 2Quik2Come2Judgments? I don't recall anyone
saying its the MAN's fault (if you can find any such post, please mail it
to me). Secondly, its obvious you don't know the details of either
incident. I don't know about you, but in my CULTURE if two guys pull a
gun on me, and I have a gun, hell I'll blast them in their heads if I get
the chance. Finally, who said he raped anyone?
Enemy
linda.y.morgan
> In article <CGrsC...@freenet.carleton.ca>, ab...@Freenet.carleton.ca (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes:
> >
> > In a previous article, juonst...@bvc.edu () says:
> >
> >>GOD DAMN IT I AM GONNA SHOOT MY TV!!
> >>I AM SICK OF THIS!!
> >>REPORT SOME SHIT ON VANILLA ICE OR SOMETHING HUH?
> >>YOU MEDIA PEOPLE JUST WANT TO FUCK UP HIP-HOP
> >>FUCK YOU CNN!
> >
> > Are you serious Flash? Do you think that if Vanilla Ice had raped someone
> > that CNN wouldn't pick up on it? Should they not report incidents of
> > alleged rape by public figures? I know you're dedicated to hip-hop and
> > all, but is that an excuse to dismiss the charges against Tupac? If you're
> > gonna blame anyone, blame him for getting himself into the situation in the
> > first place.
> >
> No what I am sick of is the extra attention that gets focused on hip-hop
> artists when the same amount of extra focus isn't applied to everybody
> else... maybe 2Pac did it maybe not but ten times that amount of shit
> happens for REAL and the only reason they want to cover 2Pac and not the
> ten other people is this: Controversial black rapper = big news item = more
> commercial sales = more profit = FUCK YOU CNN!
>
> Flash
>
> >
>>he's quilty. Don't Do The Crime if you can handle the consequences.
>>Through the bump in jail........Sorry Flash.
...
>> > Enemy
>
> Don't be so quick to come to assumptions. You might not know this
>but women/girls bring up false charges that are so hard to prove just to
>milk some millionaire out of their money. Plus do you think Tupac would
>actually have to FORCE girls to fuck? Do you think Tupac would actually
>force girls to fuck? Who knows. I'm not standing up for the guy but damn,
>don't be so quick to follow the media's character assasinations...
Wesley Snipes' article in VIBE? (about 1-2 mos ago). he lays that assumption
(about easy sex w/sistas) down pretty well, & i believe it, 'cause i know
how we are...@least tha fellas & ladies in my 'hood. they're not quick
to give a brother props just 'cause they're famous. even if you're not
from "the hood", i'm sure you've heard Cube's cut "Get off my..."
>
>Enemy
-jonM<><, redeemed hoodlum
--
-jonM<><
jmad...@etsun.tech.iupui.edu, et al.
"The Son will shine, and the reign won't fall..."
-Poor old Lu.
Douglas, Zachary
Yeah, I be so quick to follow the media's character assasinations...
Yeah, I can see where your coming from, as I'm sure rappers like Pac ecounter
countless gold-diggers every day. It's not so much that I'm following the
media's character assasination, I'm following Pacs self character suicide if
you will...after hearing what he said after he shot the cops (Thug LIfe baby)
when he could have said "self defense" or something to show that he wasn't the
thug he wants us to believe he is.
From the news article I posted, it said he had already had sex with the girl a
week before, but I guess it wasn't such a good idea to invite company along for
the second time.
BTW, isn't that big mansion on the I get around video his? I was wondering
what he was doing in NY...oh wait, probably that's where the movie (ATR) is
being filmed....
Zach D.
> Enemy
TechnoDan
>milk some millionaire out of their money. Plus do you think Tupac would
>actually have to FORCE girls to fuck? Do you think Tupac would actually
>force girls to fuck? Who knows.
Well, Tyson apparently did.
>I'm not standing up for the guy but damn,
>don't be so quick to follow the media's character assasinations...
Ill admit that the media does partake in 'character assasinations'.
They're always focusing on scandalous, negative things. Thats news.
But I dont agree with the implication/statement you made that the media
only gives black arrestees a hard time. Whites get it too.
John Smith
> en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (John Smith) writes:
>
> >milk some millionaire out of their money. Plus do you think Tupac would
> >actually have to FORCE girls to fuck? Do you think Tupac would actually
> >force girls to fuck? Who knows.
>
> Well, Tyson apparently did.
This might be one of those cultural things but where I'm from
there's a word called "gold digger". From the outset of the trial and the
prosecutor's often comments about it not being for money, I knew a few
months down the line the girl would sue for money. Oh and she did.
Millions. Also where I'm from, noone believes that bitch for a second.
Maybe its just the local culture.
>
> >I'm not standing up for the guy but damn,
> >don't be so quick to follow the media's character assasinations...
>
> Ill admit that the media does partake in 'character assasinations'.
> They're always focusing on scandalous, negative things. Thats news.
> But I dont agree with the implication/statement you made that the media
> only gives black arrestees a hard time. Whites get it too.
Take a look at the now infamous Newsweek cover with Snoop.
Nuff said. Also I never made the implication/statement that the media
only gives black arrestees a hard time. I will now, with a minor change -
replace "hard" with "harder".
DANNY BERAR
>en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (John Smith) writes:
>
>>milk some millionaire out of their money. Plus do you think Tupac would
>>actually have to FORCE girls to fuck? Do you think Tupac would actually
>>force girls to fuck? Who knows.
>
>Well, Tyson apparently did.
>
Yeah, Tyson apparently did and got jail time, while William
Kennedy Smith apparently did, and he walked.
Of course the NYPD wouldn't mind charging Tupac, especially after
he shot 2 cops in georgia..
Dan
DANNY BERAR
Ok, well I missed a few words, so please fill in the blanks, and
make any corrections...
BTW - What the hell is Tangoray? And is that how you spell it?
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Gin and Juice, by Snoop Doggy Dogg
----------------------------------
With so much drama in the LBC
Its kinda hard being Snoop D-O-Double G
But I, somehow, some way
Keep coming up with funky-ass shit like every single day
May, I, kick a little something for the Gz
And, make a few ends,
As I breeze through 2 in the morning
And the party's still jumpin cause my mama ain't home
I got bitches in the livingroom gettin it on
and they ain't leaving 'til 6 in the morning
So whatcha wanna do?
Shit, I got a pocket full of rubbers, and my homeboys do too
So turn off the lights and close the doors,
But Kurupt, "We don't love dem hoes"
Yeah, so we gonna smoke an ounce to this
Gz up, Hoes down while you motherfuckers bounce to this
Chorus
Rollin down the street, Smoking indo, Sippin on gin and juice
Laidback....With my mind on my money and my money on my mind
Rollin down the street, Smoking indo, Sippin on gin and juice
Laidback....With my mind on my money and my money on my mind
Now that I got me some Seagrams gin,
Everybody got they cups but they ain't chipped in
Now this type of shit happens all the time,
You gotta get yours before I gotta get mine
Everything is fine when you listen to the D-O-G
I got the cultivating music that be captivating me
Who listens to the words that I speak
As I take me and Dre to the middle of the street
And get back up to this bitch named 'Cedes
She used to be the homeboys lady (Oh that bitch)
80 degrees when I tell that bitch please
???????? cause you gets none of these
At ease, as I mobb with The Dogg Pound, kill with breeze
Bitch, I'm just...
Chorus
Later on that day, my homey Dr. Dre came through with a gang of tangoray (?)
And a fatass J, Of some bubonic chronic that made me choke,
Shit, this ain't no joke
I had to back up off of it, and sit my cup down
Tangoray and Chronic, ya I'm fucked up now
But it ain't no stoppin, I'm still coughin
Dre got some bitches from the city of Compton
To serve me, not with a cherry on top,
Cause when I bust my nut, I'm ragin, about to cock
Don't get upset girl, that's just how it goes
I don't love you hoes, I'm out the door
And i'll be...
Chorus
Rollin down the street, Smoking indo, Sippin on gin and juice
Beeaaatch. With my mind on my money and my money on my mind
(Repeat)
JR Wilner
"Gin & Juice."
Jonathan Wilner
University of Texas-Austin
jrwi...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
512-476-5877
P.S. There was a thread here about a T-Shirt. I own a T-Shirt company in
Austin. E-Mail or call above number (office) if y'all still want to do one.
Kirk Herlitz
>
>Ok, well I missed a few words, so please fill in the blanks, and
>make any corrections...
>
>BTW - What the hell is Tangoray? And is that how you spell it?
>
It's Tenquerey (I'm pretty sure of that spelling). It's a brand name of
liquor, namely gin, in this case. They also make vodka and probably some other
shit, too. Consult your local liquor store for further details....*grin*
Later,
--
KJH
kirk...@engin.umich.edu
Charles L Isbell
|dmd3...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TechnoDan) writes:
|> >milk some millionaire out of their money. Plus do you think Tupac would
|> >actually have to FORCE girls to fuck? Do you think Tupac would actually
|> >force girls to fuck? Who knows.
|> Well, Tyson apparently did.
|This might be one of those cultural things but where I'm from
|there's a word called "gold digger". From the outset of the trial and the
|prosecutor's often comments about it not being for money, I knew a few
|months down the line the girl would sue for money. Oh and she did.
|Millions.
Interestingly, the lawyer for the woman in question later told a
judge that, despite her counter-claim under oath, she had negogiated
the rights of her story to somebody or another (it's been a while) for
lots of cash. The lawyer did this to avoid any possibility for
disbarrment as this case moved on.
There is no value judgement here, but it seems like the sort of thing
that would help Tyson on his appeal. I always wondered where that
whole thing went. Anyone know?
|> >I'm not standing up for the guy but damn,
|> >don't be so quick to follow the media's character assasinations...
|> Ill admit that the media does partake in 'character assasinations'.
|> They're always focusing on scandalous, negative things. Thats news.
|> But I dont agree with the implication/statement you made that the media
|> only gives black arrestees a hard time. Whites get it too.
Sure they do. Although the tone and circumstances always seem to take
a different twist if only because Blacks as a group always seem to
have to take the "heat" for everything one of us does in a way that
Whites, for example, do not. In this case, all the rap fans and by a
wierd and labored extension thru "angry Black youth", all of Black
America has to deal with 2Pac and Tyson (and Thomas/Hill if for
different reasons) as if they reflect on us all. Axel Rose is not
taken to reflect on Whites in general and often just barely on even
rock fans.
|Take a look at the now infamous Newsweek cover with Snoop.
|Nuff said. Also I never made the implication/statement that the media
|only gives black arrestees a hard time. I will now, with a minor change -
|replace "hard" with "harder".
Certainly the implications are broader.
--
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to know what I'll do, figure out what you'll do.
I'll do the same thing--only more of it."
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Sjonia C. Harper
: en...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (John Smith) writes:
: >milk some millionaire out of their money. Plus do you think Tupac would
: >actually have to FORCE girls to fuck? Do you think Tupac would actually
: >force girls to fuck? Who knows.
: Well, Tyson apparently did.
No, Tyson convicted of forcing a girl to fuck. That whole Tyson thing was
fishy. Only Tyson, the girl, and God really know what happened.
: >I'm not standing up for the guy but damn,
: >don't be so quick to follow the media's character assasinations...
: Ill admit that the media does partake in 'character assasinations'.
: They're always focusing on scandalous, negative things. Thats news.
: But I dont agree with the implication/statement you made that the media
: only gives black arrestees a hard time. Whites get it too.
Not as bad as Blacks.
LaGene Brown
> make any corrections...
>
> BTW - What the hell is Tangoray? And is that how you spell it?
>
--The Freudian Id--
DANNY BERAR <be...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> wrote:
>
>Ok, well I missed a few words, so please fill in the blanks, and
>make any corrections...
>BTW - What the hell is Tangoray? And is that how you spell it?
>I got the cultivating music that be captivating me
>As I take me and Dre to the middle of the street
>And get back up to this bitch named 'Cedes
^^^^^^ "Sadie"?
>???????? cause you gets none of these
^^^^^^^^ - "Raise up of these N-U-T's"
>At ease, as I mobb with The Dogg Pound, kill with breeze
^^^^ - "feel"?
These are just from memory, so they might be wrong. Peace, out!
-Id
--
"Only the weak will try to speak; those who are quiet will always cause riots."
-"Stranded on Death Row,"
The Chronic
Christopher Edward Hilker
>Interestingly, the lawyer for the woman in question later told a
>judge that, despite her counter-claim under oath, she had negogiated
>the rights of her story to somebody or another (it's been a while) for
>lots of cash. The lawyer did this to avoid any possibility for
>disbarrment as this case moved on.
>There is no value judgement here, but it seems like the sort of thing
>that would help Tyson on his appeal. I always wondered where that
>whole thing went. Anyone know?
Alan Dershowitz (Tyson's lawyer since the initial trial) was on 'Late
Night with Conan O'Brian' last week. The interview wasn't about Tyson
for the most part - Dershowitz talked about why lawyers are so hated,
Klaus Von Bulow, etc. In speaking about Tyson, Dershowitz mainly harped
on the fact that the judge for the trial was chosen by the prosecution,
which I guess means that this is what his next appeal will be based on.
C.
--
(chris.hilker) cs...@cats.ucsc.edu
"We feel affinities not only with the past, but also with the futures that
didn't materialise, and with the other variations of the present that we
suspect run parallel to the one we have agreed to live in." -Brian Eno
Brian Charles Black
The difference between media's character attacks on Black and Whites is that
character attacks on Black stereo-type their race and profession; whereas,
character attacks on whites simply attack their character.
Peace.
B. Black ( cool name isn't it )
Z4...@cunyvm.cuny.edu
AGAINST HIM IS NOT A SETUP BY THE GOVERNMENT, BUT HIS LOW MENTALITY LED
HIM TO RAPE THAT GIRL. TO TUPAC.... KEEP YOUR HEAD UP.
Ezekiel Hughes
you should be interested in knowing about what transpired in that hotel
room; I am. I want to know what the fuck is Tupac doing if I am
supporting his album + him. Is he rapping about respecting women cause it
is the thing to do or is he true. I don't think he is. We as blacks are
always passing the blame. CNN was not in that room OK! Think about it.
Ezekiel Hughes
believe your fake ass is talking about the white man trying to keep the
black man down. Tupac did that shit to himself. I am ashamed that you
are suppose to be a black man concerned for his race. You are not. You
are a disgrace, but you don't know it. In no way or form should we
support genocide. Damn! I hope you truly find yourself.
Joe Mills
-> CHARGE AGAINST HIM IS NOT A SETUP BY THE GOVERNMENT, BUT HIS LOW
-> MENTALITY LED HIM TO RAPE THAT GIRL. TO TUPAC.... KEEP YOUR HEAD UP.
I don't care. Stop trying to start a flame war.
You had me then you lost me.
Doughboy
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juonst...@bvc.edu
> Flash, you act like Tupac is fucking you or something. As a black male,
Excuse me?!
> you should be interested in knowing about what transpired in that hotel
> room; I am. I want to know what the fuck is Tupac doing if I am
> supporting his album + him. Is he rapping about respecting women cause it
> is the thing to do or is he true. I don't think he is. We as blacks are
> always passing the blame. CNN was not in that room OK! Think about it.
>
I am very interested in the truth... what CNN supplies is their own
sixth-hand information biased version of the truth... and I'm not saying
that it is necessarily false, I am just disinclined to trust the media,
based on previous experience of negative portrayals of black people and
hip-hop artists in particular.
Flash
>
Phillip Lashley
>In article <1993Nov30....@julian.uwo.ca> be...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (DANNY
>BERAR) writes:
>>
>> Ok, well I missed a few words, so please fill in the blanks, and
>> make any corrections...
>>
>> BTW - What the hell is Tangoray? And is that how you spell it?
hydrant shaped, green bottle. Smooth shit,. IMHO.
gone
phil
>>
Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi
|> DuDu Black, you are the idiot who is too dense to see reality. I can't
|> believe your fake ass is talking about the white man trying to keep the
|> black man down. Tupac did that shit to himself.
1. Idiot means a silly or foolish person - I don't think my post was silly or
foolish (My opinion vs. your opinion).
2. My ass is not fake.
3. I wasn't "talking about the white man trying to keep the black man down." At
least not in Tupac's case. I responded to a post which mistakenly (as you have
again done) attacked Enemy (John Smith?) saying that he was invoking "the Man" in
defending 2pac.
4. Perhaps, the above is what you meant by reality?
5. Tupac did what shit to himself - the crimes (assuming, as you do, that he is
guilty before his conviction) or the inordinate media exposure?
|> I am ashamed that you are suppose to be a black man concerned for his race.
|>You are not. You are a disgrace, but you don't know it.
I am a black man concerned for my race. Not just here in America, where
in the five years that I have spent in this country I have been able to
understand a fraction of the obstacles facing my people; not just in Nigeria,
where I was born and raised; but globally. I have lived on three continents for
various amounts of time, and have visited scores of countries - the lowest common
denominator I have found in these experiences is the subjugation of black
peoples. (Mind you these are experiences over only the past two
decades!)Whether in America, Europe, Africa, or where have you - everywhere I go
Black people are suffering. WHat makes it more galling in the diaspora, is
that this suffering is in ways that tend to be disparate from the general
populace - looking at any statistical indicators will verify the truth of my
statement.
I won't bore you with the details of my activities here, in Nigeria, or
in South Africa. If you or any others are interested in finding about these
things you can contact me privately (ekun...@athena.mit.edu). A lot of these
activities are political and as such are not supposed to be presented on Internet
(or at least overtly).
|>In no way or form should we support genocide. Damn! I hope you truly find
|>yourself.
I agree with you here - but no where have I advocated genocide.
Contrary to your allusions, my experiences would support a genocide theory
against Black peoples. Myself, I've found - I hope you understand that the
following is not a diss:
In Yoruba culture, we have a saying that a chicken that doesn't know it's
lost, will strut among hawks until it is devoured.
Alafia,
Selector Dudu Black.
Matthew Alan Phillips
good shit on that reply you wrote.
what's fucked up is that that hughes guy probably has his heart in
the right place. anyway you dropped science.
$.02 from a tech grad.
-matt
David J.
see the word "diaspora" in alt.rap.
=^) =^) =^)
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