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The PhOnEyS

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Oct 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/28/96
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Now, I know you all are thinkin "what the fuck's up with this guy?" but
please hear me out. I found this on a web page, and maybe you've seen
them...well here are the reason's why 2Pac should not be dead:

-The white cadillac containing the
assailants..was never found... How could
this be when Vegas is in the middle of a
desert?

-There's a small Black community on the
North side of town.. This strip is only about
8 blocks long.. The attackers were Black..
Where did they go? Where did they hide?

-The white cadillac containing the gunmen
passes a entourage of 2Pac's boys..many of
them body guards... No one gives
chase..and there are no witness...There
were no witnesses on the street... How
come? Why not?

-The name of 2Pac's next album is
Machiavelli.. He was an Italian war
strategist who faked his death to fool his
enemies... Perhaps 2Pac is doing the same
thing..

-The cover of his next album..has 2Pac
looking like Jesus Christ... Could he be
planning a resurrection?

-Las Vegas is in the middle of the desert..
How come there was no helicopter chase...
If some one was to rob a casino.. The
LVPD would've chased you down with
some helicopters.. . How come this didn't
happen with 2Pac shooting?

-2Pac was cremeated the day after he died...
Since when does some one get creamated
the day after a murder... There was no
autospy

There were no ballistic tests... At least we
haven't heard about them....

-Las Vegas is still very much a mob town..
No one gets killed on the strip... You have
to pretty much get permission in order for
something like this to happen.. Who was
calling the shots on this one?

-2Pac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge
didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a
bullet.. Why did 2Pac get shot all those
times and Suge not get hit?

-Suge said he drove 2Pac to the hospital and
they had a coherent conversation? How bad
was 2Pac hit? In addition to all this .. there
are conflicting stories claiming that Quincy
Jone's daughter was in the back of the car..
and then she wasn't.. what's the deal for
real?

-2Pac has completed 2 movies and 3 lps that
have yet to be realsed.. With so many
people upset about 2Pac's death..literally
anything connected with him is bound to net
a whole lot of cash...

-Suge Knight and 2Pac are the only two
music industry people on that high a profile
with enough balls to pull off a stunt like
faking death...

-2Pac's video 'I Ain't Mad At Ya' foretold
his death ....

-2Pac always wore a bullet proof vest but for
some strange reason he didn't wear one this
time.. why not?

-The memorial services that were open to
the public were cancelled in both Los
Angeles and Atlanta...

Think about it, people....I read these, and now I think he's alive.....

If you have any questions. reply, or email: rpas...@www.salsgiver.com

thanx,
Rob Pastoria
rpas...@www.salsgiver.com

"Gangstaz.......Make The.......World Go Round"
-WestSide Connection

C-bone

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Oct 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/28/96
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The PhOnEyS wrote:
>
> Now, I know you all are thinkin "what the fuck's up with this guy?" but
> please hear me out. I found this on a web page, and maybe you've seen
> them...well here are the reason's why 2Pac should not be dead:
>
> -The white cadillac containing the
> assailants..was never found... How could
> this be when Vegas is in the middle of a
> desert?
> In Las Vegas it's not unusual for a semi to be stolen, stripped of
it's cargo and buried in the desert only to be found 5 years later.
If they can bury a semi, why not a car.

> -There's a small Black community on the
> North side of town.. This strip is only about
> 8 blocks long.. The attackers were Black..
> Where did they go? Where did they hide?

> How about florida? They could have gone anywhere. They could have
left town the night of the shooting.

> -The white cadillac containing the gunmen

> passes a entourage of 2Pac's boys..many of...
> Have you ever been in a drive by? There ain't much time to react
and it takes the most hardcore mutherfucker to not scramble. As
for witnesses, if you were a witness, wouldn't you be scared for
your life?

> -The name of 2Pac's next album is
> Machiavelli.. He was an Italian war

> strategist who faked his death to...
> Perhaps, but I think if this were the case, the media would have
noticed something and made a big fuckin deal about it.

> -The cover of his next album..has 2Pac
> looking like Jesus Christ... Could he be
> planning a resurrection?

> I think if this were the case, have of the people that bought 2pac's
cd's would probably be pissed at him for thinking he was immortal
and could fuck around with his following like that and I think he
probably would have realized this.

> -Las Vegas is in the middle of the desert..
> How come there was no helicopter chase...
> If some one was to rob a casino.. The
> LVPD would've chased you down with
> some helicopters.. .

> People won't admit it, but there is a difference between a casino
getting robbed and a murder. In las vegas, money is number one.
Murders are not considered as severe as bustin a casino. If someone
gets caught in a drive by in L.A. you think a chopper would be on
the car. They ain't fast enough to respond to a call that happened
15 minutes ago. This ain't back to the future.

> -2Pac was cremeated the day after he died...

> They know how he died. He lost a lung and died from complications,
fuck brother, let him rest.

> There were no ballistic tests... At least we
> haven't heard about them....

> Half a million brothers out there packin a gat and you want a
ballistic test. Some things are not possible.

> -Las Vegas is still very much a mob town..
> No one gets killed on the strip... You have

> to pretty much get permission in order for...

Take your pick. Pac wasn't exactly the most subtle nigga on the
block when it came to takin shots at other brothers on his albums.


>
> -2Pac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge

> didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a...

They weren't aiming at Suge, all the bullets were near pac in the car.>

-Suge said he drove 2Pac to the hospital and
> they had a coherent conversation? How bad

> was 2Pac hit? In addition to all this .. there...

What does it matter. When shock is set in, you don't feel the pain
so much.


>
> -2Pac has completed 2 movies and 3 lps that

> have yet to be realsed.. With so many...
> Less if he is still alive, alot less.

> -Suge Knight and 2Pac are the only two

> music industry people on that high a profile...
> True blue, but are they that immature.

> -2Pac's video 'I Ain't Mad At Ya' foretold
> his death ....

It didn't foretell his death, it was just a video, but it is
kinduv freaky.


>
> -2Pac always wore a bullet proof vest but for
> some strange reason he didn't wear one this
> time.. why not?

> He didn't always wear a bullet proof vest. I know a girl that met
pac at a club and fucked him on a yaght. Yes, it's true, I got
pictures. He wasn't wearin a vest all that night.

> -The memorial services that were open to
> the public were cancelled in both Los
> Angeles and Atlanta...

> Do I smell possible riot situation?

> Think about it, people....I read these, and now I think he's alive.....

Think again. I think 2pac was solid man, I mean some excellent hip
hop lyrics. I'll miss his music and I would love for him to still be
kickin it but that nigga is ded. I ain't mad at ya.
>
> Always on track, C-bone.

Josh Schulz

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Oct 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/28/96
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On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, C-bone wrote:

> The PhOnEyS wrote:
> >
> > Now, I know you all are thinkin "what the fuck's up with this guy?" but
> > please hear me out. I found this on a web page, and maybe you've seen
> > them...well here are the reason's why 2Pac should not be dead:
> >
> > -The white cadillac containing the
> > assailants..was never found... How could
> > this be when Vegas is in the middle of a
> > desert?
> > In Las Vegas it's not unusual for a semi to be stolen, stripped of
> it's cargo and buried in the desert only to be found 5 years later.
> If they can bury a semi, why not a car.
>

Its not a small city. There are most likely thousands of cady's and
hiding one would not be big deal. Shit stick it in the killers garage,
strip the paint and change the tags, and all of a sudden it dosn't exist
any more.


> > -There's a small Black community on the
> > North side of town.. This strip is only about
> > 8 blocks long.. The attackers were Black..
> > Where did they go? Where did they hide?
> > How about florida? They could have gone anywhere. They could have
> left town the night of the shooting.
>

this is almost too riduculus to comment on, but, assuming that the
killers lived in Las vegas, and lived in the small black community (lord
knows you wanna keep em all in the same place just for cases such as
this), the only way to find them is via a tip from someone in the area,
or by searching every house in the area. THis is slightly illegeal.
Since the killers weren't seen by anyone, there would be no descriptions
on the news to point people in the right direction. And if you did know
them, they'd already killed on man, in broad daylight, so its a pretty
good bet they smoke you too if you squeal.....

> > -The white cadillac containing the gunmen
> > passes a entourage of 2Pac's boys..many of...
> > Have you ever been in a drive by? There ain't much time to react
> and it takes the most hardcore mutherfucker to not scramble. As
> for witnesses, if you were a witness, wouldn't you be scared for
> your life?
>

true, when the car drove by it would not have been obvious that they were
on their way to shoot pac. Since suge and pac were in the front, they
would have already been past the train after the killings. Figure 12
shots from even a semi automatic weapon would take less than 15 seconds
(conservativly). Figure 5 seconds to duck (a natural reaction), adn then
a cautious look (remember they're still shooting) down a brightly lit
contrasting background. Figure the shooters are masked up, that they
identified a cady is pretty good.

> > -The name of 2Pac's next album is
> > Machiavelli.. He was an Italian war
> > strategist who faked his death to...
> > Perhaps, but I think if this were the case, the media would have
> noticed something and made a big fuckin deal about it.

THIS IS WRONG. MACHIAVELLI DID NOT FAKE HIS OWN DEATH. HE WAS NOT A
"WAR STRATAGIST". He was a middle level buerocrat in the italian
government. When a faction with which he was identified lost power he
was forced out of government service. He wrote a book (the prince) in
retirement as an attempt to gain favor with the powers that be. The book
is famous because of the underhanded way in wich he advocated running
government and ruleing people.

>
> > -The cover of his next album..has 2Pac
> > looking like Jesus Christ... Could he be
> > planning a resurrection?
> > I think if this were the case, have of the people that bought 2pac's
> cd's would probably be pissed at him for thinking he was immortal
> and could fuck around with his following like that and I think he
> probably would have realized this.
>
> > -Las Vegas is in the middle of the desert..
> > How come there was no helicopter chase...
> > If some one was to rob a casino.. The
> > LVPD would've chased you down with
> > some helicopters.. .
> > People won't admit it, but there is a difference between a casino
> getting robbed and a murder. In las vegas, money is number one.
> Murders are not considered as severe as bustin a casino. If someone
> gets caught in a drive by in L.A. you think a chopper would be on
> the car. They ain't fast enough to respond to a call that happened
> 15 minutes ago. This ain't back to the future.
>

true response times wouldn't allow it. By the time a chopper scrambled
teh car would be long gone...

Josh Schulz
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"This world is a trip, and it keeps changing by the hour"
-Rappin 4tay


E. Peterson

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Oct 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/29/96
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>Now, I know you all are thinkin "what the fuck's up with this guy?" but
>please hear me out. I found this on a web page, and maybe you've seen
>them...well here are the reason's why 2Pac should not be dead:
>
>-The white cadillac containing the
>assailants..was never found... How could
>this be when Vegas is in the middle of a
>desert?

Disposing of a car isnt that hard.

>-There's a small Black community on the
>North side of town.. This strip is only about
>8 blocks long.. The attackers were Black..
>Where did they go? Where did they hide?

I would hide where people wouldnt expect to see me.

>-The white cadillac containing the gunmen

>passes a entourage of 2Pac's boys..many of
>them body guards... No one gives
>chase..and there are no witness...There
>were no witnesses on the street... How
>come? Why not?

On top of that, there were no witnesses who saw Suge and Tupac get stopped
a mile and a half away in stop and go traffic. No witnesses who saw an
ambulance come to their rescue, and no witnesses in the hospital.

>-The name of 2Pac's next album is
>Machiavelli.. He was an Italian war

>strategist who faked his death to fool his
>enemies... Perhaps 2Pac is doing the same
>thing..

That is strange.

>-The cover of his next album..has 2Pac
>looking like Jesus Christ... Could he be
>planning a resurrection?

Strange too.

>-Las Vegas is in the middle of the desert..
>How come there was no helicopter chase...
>If some one was to rob a casino.. The
>LVPD would've chased you down with

>some helicopters.. . How come this didn't
>happen with 2Pac shooting?

Dunno.

>-2Pac was cremeated the day after he died...

>Since when does some one get creamated
>the day after a murder... There was no
>autospy
>

>There were no ballistic tests... At least we
>haven't heard about them....

Its my understanding that this isnt optional. In a murder investigation,
an autopsy of the body is required by federal law. I could have this
misunderstood though. Back on my graduation night in high school one of
my homies got shot a few times in his chest with a .357 and the police
ordered the body be autopsied against Seans parents wishes.

>-Las Vegas is still very much a mob town..
>No one gets killed on the strip... You have

>to pretty much get permission in order for
>something like this to happen.. Who was
>calling the shots on this one?

This is nonsense to me. People are going to get to actin ass no matter
what town theyre in .

>-2Pac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge

>didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a
>bullet.. Why did 2Pac get shot all those
>times and Suge not get hit?

I read 14 times. None the less. At that range, Suge should have taken
atleast one hot one. Not to mention bullets dont stop when they hit
people. If Tupac was shot 4 times, one of those should have came out
Tupacs left side and hit Suge. The whole shooting scenario is bullshit.

Not to mention in an investigative report, it was stated that the bullet
wounds Tupac received were those of forward nature. No way, something is
fishy about this drive-by story.

>-Suge said he drove 2Pac to the hospital and
>they had a coherent conversation? How bad

>was 2Pac hit? In addition to all this .. there
>are conflicting stories claiming that Quincy
>Jone's daughter was in the back of the car..
>and then she wasn't.. what's the deal for
>real?

I also read that one of Tupacs lungs was collapsed. Believe me, if that
is true, this kid isnt sitting there making jokes with Suge.

>-2Pac has completed 2 movies and 3 lps that

>have yet to be realsed.. With so many
>people upset about 2Pac's death..literally
>anything connected with him is bound to net
>a whole lot of cash...

Tupac took out a 72 million life insurance policy on himself one month
before the shooting.

>-Suge Knight and 2Pac are the only two

>music industry people on that high a profile
>with enough balls to pull off a stunt like
>faking death...

Tupac always said he wanted to be a legend. Whats the quickest way to
achieve that? Die at the peak of your career.

>-2Pac's video 'I Ain't Mad At Ya' foretold
>his death ....
>

>-2Pac always wore a bullet proof vest but for
>some strange reason he didn't wear one this
>time.. why not?
>

>-The memorial services that were open to
>the public were cancelled in both Los
>Angeles and Atlanta...
>

>Think about it, people....I read these, and now I think he's alive.....
>

>If you have any questions. reply, or email: rpas...@www.salsgiver.com
>
>thanx,
>Rob Pastoria

I dont have any questions for anyone here because I doubt anyone here
knows any real answers. I do know though that the FBI is investigating
Tupacs death, and that they said they have reason to believe it may have
been illegitimate.


gFuNk

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Oct 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/29/96
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C-bone wrote:
>
> > -Las Vegas is still very much a mob town..
> > No one gets killed on the strip... You have
> > to pretty much get permission in order for...
>
> Take your pick. Pac wasn't exactly the most subtle nigga on the
> block when it came to takin shots at other brothers on his albums.
> >
> > -2Pac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge
> > didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a...
>
> They weren't aiming at Suge, all the bullets were near pac in the car.>
>
> > -The memorial services that were open to
> > the public were cancelled in both Los
> > Angeles and Atlanta...
> > Do I smell possible riot situation?
>
> > Think about it, people....I read these, and now I think he's alive.....
>
> Think again. I think 2pac was solid man, I mean some excellent hip
> hop lyrics. I'll miss his music and I would love for him to still be
> kickin it but that nigga is ded. I ain't mad at ya.
> >
> > Always on track, C-bone.

Straight up...as weird as this is, I leanin' to phOnEys idea. They's
just too much coincidence. I think sumpthin's goin' down here! As fo
C-bone, I think you been takin' one too many from ol' mutha Hubbard, kno
whatum sayin'!

"...nickel plated nine triggers..."

Justice

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Oct 30, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/30/96
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>> > -Las Vegas is still very much a mob town..
>> > No one gets killed on the strip... You have
>> > to pretty much get permission in order for...
>>
>> Take your pick. Pac wasn't exactly the most subtle nigga on the
>> block when it came to takin shots at other brothers on his albums.

First off, A lot of people get killed on the Strip. You are making a lot
out of nothing IMHO. A simple drive by shooting, and just because it is
one of the best Rap Icons of this century you have to make it sound fishy.


>> > -2Pac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge
>> > didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a...

There were, in fact, 13 bullets shot at the car according to the lone
witness at the scene (Besides the shooters and Suge of course:)


>> They weren't aiming at Suge, all the bullets were near pac in the
car.>

Brilliant. Someone intended to kill 2Pac, and did so.



>> > -The memorial services that were open to
>> > the public were cancelled in both Los
>> > Angeles and Atlanta...
>> > Do I smell possible riot situation?

Riot situation? I think not. Memorial services *should* not cause riots.
There was a family ritual/service after the day 2Pac was cremated.


>Straight up...as weird as this is, I leanin' to phOnEys idea. They's
>just too much coincidence. I think sumpthin's goin' down here! As fo
>C-bone, I think you been takin' one too many from ol' mutha Hubbard, kno
>whatum sayin'!

You guys all are paranoid. Shit happens, and it did. Take it, you are all
just trying to deny it because a Great man is dead. DEAD! Leave it at
that, no coverups (maybe except for Suge that is). And, two young
gentlemen that were Crips were arrested and charged with the murder.
Justice


Patrick

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Oct 30, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/30/96
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but on BET Suge said he was wearing Tupac's
Death Row chain. He said that Tupac told him that he wanted
Suge to have it. Now there is a picture in Vibe that they say
was taken less than a minute before Tupac was shot(also kinda
scary because of the sense of foreboding in Shakur's expression).
Where is the chain? I see another chain which looks nothing like
the Death Row chain. I hope I'm overlooking something, because
Suge is looking very suspicious to me right now.

Tupac will probably have 3 albums in the top 200 by the 2nd or 3rd
week of November.

Patrick

++ "Greatness is beyond your comfort zone."
--Jesse Jackson
____________________________________________________________
|pa...@ra.msstate.edu <Patrick Andrew Norris> |
|Mississippi State University <RIP Tupac BIH Makavelli> |
|____________________________________________________________|

++


col...@woods.uml.edu

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Oct 31, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/31/96
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For all yall knuckleheads that dont know let the BOOH-DED KID school ya.
Tu Pac was in a war,a war wit...........................NAS and the QB.
"NAS IS COMING" wasnt just a song, it was a message.A message with an
exclamation point at the end, which was DR. DRE. Do me this justice people,
roll yo'self a fat(phat)ass L and bump this song,peep it out and you let me
know whats up.Not saying Tu Pac is dead,cuz maybe he faked his death to get
away from "the name that holds weight" na'meen.


Anuerysm

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Nov 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/1/96
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> >
> >Think about it, people....I read these, and now I think he's alive.....
> >
> >If you have any questions. reply, or email: rpas...@www.salsgiver.com
> >
> >thanx,
> >Rob Pastoria
>
> I dont have any questions for anyone here because I doubt anyone here
> knows any real answers. I do know though that the FBI is investigating
> Tupacs death, and that they said they have reason to believe it may have
> been illegitimate.2pac is dead in the ground where he belongs,and the reason there was a
sloppy investigation was because no one cared about his sorry ass.
Dre probably had him snuffed because he realized what a dick he was.

Daffo Dils

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On Friday, 1 November 1996 at 09:00:00 UTC+1, Anuerysm wrote:
> > >
> > >Think about it, people....I read these, and now I think he's alive.....
> > >
> > >If you have any questions. reply, or email: rpas...@www.salsgiver.com
> > >
> > >thanx,
> > >Rob Pastoria
> >
> > I dont have any questions for anyone here because I doubt anyone here
> > knows any real answers. I do know though that the FBI is investigating
> > Tupacs death, and that they said they have reason to believe it may have
> > been illegitimate.2pac is dead in the ground where he belongs,and the reason there was a
> sloppy investigation was because no one cared about his sorry ass.
> Dre probably had him snuffed because he realized what a dick he was.
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