alt.rap is 50 times as big as alt.rap.sucks
SHAMGOD62
rap lovers. Don't beleive me?, OK *but* alt.rap is about ten million times as
big as alt.rap.sucks. You wonder why? maybe it's cuz anyone with common sense
would know that rap doesn't suck.
X@vier F@bri@no
No,
"Common sense" is having your OWN opinion and accepting those of
others. That applies to you, too.
Xavier Fabriano
--
What's the ugliest part of YOUR body? Some say your
nose, some say your toes, but I think it's your mind.
DogmaRatt
wrote:
>sham...@aol.com (SHAMGOD62) wrote:
>
>>You guys can say you hate rap, but guess what?, you're outnumbered 50 times by
>>rap lovers. Don't beleive me?, OK *but* alt.rap is about ten million times as
>>big as alt.rap.sucks. You wonder why? maybe it's cuz anyone with common sense
>>would know that rap doesn't suck.
>
>No,
>"Common sense" is having your OWN opinion and accepting those of
>others. That applies to you, too.
No, Hammer..he's another person who thinks 'big numbers' mean
something. "Ohh..! It's on Billboards Top 20, so it's gotta be
good"...or, "It's sold 3 million copies, so that means it's good,
quality music!"
X@vier F@bri@no
> No, Hammer..he's another person who thinks 'big numbers' mean
>something. "Ohh..! It's on Billboards Top 20, so it's gotta be
>good"...or, "It's sold 3 million copies, so that means it's good,
>quality music!"
Down boy!
I don't think he was implying that popularity is the measure of
success for a genre, however he fails to understand that there are
just as many people who hate rap as those who like it, but since they
hate it, they aren't going to even waste time talking about it.
nvndes
>Down boy!
>I don't think he was implying that popularity is the measure of
>success for a genre,
it sounds to me like that is what he is implying
however he fails to understand that there are
>just as many people who hate rap as those who like it,
no, I think there are alot more people who hate rap than like it
but since they
>hate it, they aren't going to even waste time talking about it.
True, but they will tell you if you ask them. The main reason rap
seems so popular is that the people who pay the most attention to
music (and with rap we must use that term very loosely) and buy the
most recordings and talk about it the most are teenagers.Teenagers
always need something to annoy their parents with.When I was a
teenager we used hard rock, but of course that wouldnt work any
more.So now they use rap which works very well for that purpose, I
will definately give it credit for that.Since teenagers spend the most
money on records,concerts, and related paraphernalia, the music
bussines (which, of course, is more about bussines than music)
definately caters to them and puts the hype where it will be the most
profitable.Then there are also the many, many pathetic lemmings who
will jump on what ever bandwagon that is driven down their throat so
that they dont have to decide for themselves what to like.To be fair
though, I guess rap also has some value as dance "music". Im not much
of a dancer,though, so I dont have any use for it.
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Jay C a.k.a. El Mentor
at present. A few people hate it, a lot haven't heard it or don't like
it. But only a few sad individuals like eX (sorry had to slip that in
;o) ) actually like it.
>True, but they will tell you if you ask them. The main reason rap
>seems so popular is that the people who pay the most attention to
>music (and with rap we must use that term very loosely) and buy the
>most recordings and talk about it the most are teenagers.
Yes white middle class males, however the side of rap which appeals to
them is this commercial G rap, you cannot judge a book by its cover, if
you dig deeply into the depths of rap you feel find very good bands and
intelligent fans. It is just like rock on the Surface you have Marlyn
Manson in the depths you have Bowie.
>Teenagers
>always need something to annoy their parents with.
Like rock with Marlyn Manson, if so then hate on rock please not rap.
>When I was a
>teenager we used hard rock, but of course that wouldnt work any
>more.
Really in the UK there is a huge death metal following.
>So now they use rap which works very well for that purpose,
true, does that make rap bad, if so it also makes rock bad.
> I
>will definately give it credit for that.Since teenagers spend the most
>money on records,concerts, and related paraphernalia, the music
>bussines (which, of course, is more about bussines than music)
Only to the record labels and a few artists, a lot of artists care a
great deal about their music.
>definately caters to them and puts the hype where it will be the most
>profitable.Then there are also the many, many pathetic lemmings who
>will jump on what ever bandwagon that is driven down their throat so
>that they dont have to decide for themselves what to like.To be fair
>though, I guess rap also has some value as dance "music". Im not much
>of a dancer,though, so I dont have any use for it.
You obviously know very little about rap here listen to these three acts
(you'll be able to find them in real audio or mp3 online) all use
instruments follow musical structures don't rap about gangsters, etc.:
Kurtis Blow
The Roots
Sugerhill Gang
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>sham...@aol.com (SHAMGOD62) wrote:
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>>You guys can say you hate rap, but guess what?, you're outnumbered 50 times
>by
>>rap lovers. Don't beleive me?, OK *but* alt.rap is about ten million times
>as
>>big as alt.rap.sucks. You wonder why? maybe it's cuz anyone with common
>sense
>>would know that rap doesn't suck.
>
>No,
It only doesn't suck if it has clpean lyrics (a la Debbie Gibson) and presenmts
a good Pat Boone version of the world.
Rap HAS to be clean
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Will Smtih (e.g. the "sell outs","the coconuts",the"oreos"so forth) and the
business is the LAST thing that rappers themseles want-if you told Warren G,
for example he was commercail eh would punch you and say, "I am an ARTIST, If I
were commercial I would be a Spice Girl (or more extreme Perry Como or
Carpenters).
The truth s., the only people acting commercial in the rap game (which is
subsiding) is the record companies that dont know only a limited number of
people like it, the rappers themsevles almost make Barbra Streisand seem humble
Justin
GCarras wrote in message <19990813104149...@ng-co1.aol.com>...
>It only doesn't suck if it has clpean lyrics (a la Debbie Gibson) and
presenmts
>a good Pat Boone version of the world.
>
>Rap HAS to be clean
i hope you're kidding
X@vier F@bri@no
He's dead serious. He use to have a webpage. Nothing but ENDLESS
droolings, typed in the smallest fonts about Tiffany Amber Theissen,
the Spice Girls, and Debby Gibson. And then there is his spelling.
He also considers rap to be "politically correct" garbage, and Rush
Limbaugh to be a genius (no joke).
X@vier F@bri@no
>
>>Down boy!
>>I don't think he was implying that popularity is the measure of
>>success for a genre,
>
>it sounds to me like that is what he is implying
Maybe in the original post to this thread, but his posts have always
implied that one of rap's biggest attributes was it's influence on
popular culture, not the popularity of the genre itself.
>no, I think there are alot more people who hate rap than like it
I think most people who don't like rap just don't give a shit about
it, period. To "hate" something requires a certain amount of energy,
but if you don't care, then what's it for?
> but since they
>>hate it, they aren't going to even waste time talking about it.
>
>True, but they will tell you if you ask them. The main reason rap
>seems so popular is that the people who pay the most attention to
>music (and with rap we must use that term very loosely) and buy the
>most recordings and talk about it the most are teenagers.Teenagers
>always need something to annoy their parents with.When I was a
>teenager we used hard rock, but of course that wouldnt work any
>more.So now they use rap which works very well for that purpose, I
>will definately give it credit for that.
Well, that's why some people consider rock and rap one in the same or
consider rap as just another sub-genre of rock, and in a way it is
because of it's influences like George Clinton, who clearly had a rock
leaning, or Lightnin' Rod of the Last Poets, a prototypical rap group,
who worked with Jimi Hendrix. And of course, you can't forget about
the countless rock records that have been sampled by rappers.
>Since teenagers spend the most
>money on records,concerts, and related paraphernalia, the music
>bussines (which, of course, is more about bussines than music)
Of course, which is why many rockers have unfortunately hopped the
"hip-hop" bandwagon just for profit (John "Cougar" Melonhead, anyone?)
>definately caters to them and puts the hype where it will be the most
>profitable.Then there are also the many, many pathetic lemmings who
>will jump on what ever bandwagon that is driven down their throat so
>that they dont have to decide for themselves what to like.
I like music that stands up to the test of time and speaks for itself
when the images fade. I think rock definately has a much higher
percentage of true artists than rap, however, rock came of age in a
different era than rap. Rap came of age during the MTV and electronic
era, which partially explains why much of it is artistically bankrupt,
but then again, so is modern rock...
>To be fair
>though, I guess rap also has some value as dance "music". Im not much
>of a dancer,though, so I dont have any use for it.
I don't think rap is completely worthless. With a few exceptions, I
don't particularly like it, but there is an artistic, technical, and
compositional apex that can be acheived in rap, yet few rappers are
willing to attempt it.
Jay C a.k.a. El Mentor
>Will Smtih (e.g. the "sell outs","the coconuts",the"oreos"so forth)
> and the
>business is the LAST thing that rappers themseles want-if you told Warren G,
>for example he was commercail eh would punch you and say, "I am an ARTIST, If I
>were commercial I would be a Spice Girl (or more extreme Perry Como or
>Carpenters).
Actually I would say Dre is more a sell out than Will Smith, Will has
always been a party MC, Dre started out as a hard hitting G lyricist for
NWA look at him now, his only motive is money.
>The truth s., the only people acting commercial in the rap game (which is
>subsiding) is the record companies that dont know only a limited number of
>people like it, the rappers themsevles almost make Barbra Streisand seem humble
Actually the record companies have it right as the music which sells is
the music they have signed the music you define as sell outs.