train graffiti
MIDWEST MAYHEM
graffiti,to the murals done by the youth''.
jesus loves me
going going gone
steve & carol
more interesting......one thing I've always wondered about is where the
taggers get all their paint??? I really can't see them spending their hard
earned allowances on supplies.
"going going gone" <pig...@cops.rule> wrote in message
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> waste of talent
>
>
John Garrison
me no buts if it ain't yours don't paint it!
Terry Sayers
Not only that, it wastes the railroads time restenciling the cars because
the reporting marks, dates, etc are painted over.
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Stan Rothwell
going going gone <pig...@cops.rule> wrote in message
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> waste of talent
Talent? Oh, I forgot. We also like in an age
where "rap" is considered "music"... :O|
Stan
RRCLERK
many freight cars, the railroads oughta hire 'em as carmen and hand 'em a spray
gun to clean up the work of their brothers !!
John Garrison
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Yeah most of em can paint pretty well! Why not make money at it? Buncher
Railcar service in Lynchburg, VA and elsewhere paints cars all day long and
I'll bet they could use a painter or three!
screech powers
>Railcar service in Lynchburg, VA and elsewhere paints cars all day long and
>I'll bet they could use a painter or three!
>
Not a waste of time at all. Many people say that because they think the work
is being un-noticed and their not making money off of their talent. But its
how you look at it. Mozart died pennyless.
New York City was where hip-hop graffiti art culture was invented. The NYC
subway is where it all started. That was in the late 60's and early 80's,
the found methods to remove graffiti from all the train cars. Thus, graffiti
moved to the railroads. If the artists never thought about panting the
railroads, graffiti art probably would have died because walls can't reach
as much people as a box car.
The railroads is for getting your art across North America. Its a graffiti
art mobile museum. The culture is so intence, you got people in their 70's
taking picutres of the art now.
Give a canvas to a graffiti artist and he/she will be able to do something
never seen before, something beautiful in less than 2 hours. My friend gets
from $100-$5000 for his cavases. Painting in yards is like, practice. You
got to be fast, have top notch spray can control, and all around good!
By the way, graffiti artists can make a well good living off their art. Its
been done since the 70's.
The graffiti art on the boxcars are not even the good stuff too. But if you
want to see some nice railroad hip-hop graffiti art, check out this link.
www.artcrimes.com/fr8/
Oh yeah, almost most of them don't steal paint as someone said before. Its
impossible for all the spray paint in america to get stolen just like that.
Someone would have noticed the trend.
People just don't understand them. They are hard working individuals that go
to extremes for art. It is a crime and is wrong, but come on. That stuff
looks fresh! HAHA!
Next time you see a graffiti artist in the yards, don't chase them and beat
them up. All they want to do is paint. Nothing more. Their friendly too!
Talk to one. You will see. Next time you talk on your radios, just remember
that most of them are tuning in. =]
screech powers
>where "rap" is considered "music"... :O|
>
>Stan
Stan! How are you?
Anyways, how is rap not music? Im lost on this one. Someone banging on a
drum is music. Thats how it all started... so if a break beat and chanted
poetry is not then... hmmm
Of course graffiti art takes talent. Next thing your going to say is that
its SCRIBBLE. HAHA! I love that one. You can't read the stuff so you label
it scribble cause it looks "curvy". hehe
I love you Stan. Your the man. I might not like your opinions but, you only
human.
take care buddy. peace =]
John Garrison
railroader. If you promise not to paint my railroad up, I'll promise not to
paint your car! Yes, my railroad....in addditon to being an employee, I am
also a stockholder. Repainting grafittied cars is costing me a bundle in
potential dividends!
Douglas Smith
And I'll bet they're all as wonderfully literate as you, too. But the site
you mention says it all: artCRIMES. So where do we draw the line as a society?
By your logic, I should be able to come along and paint your car, your house,
your mom or your dog. Gee, suppose I get a little angry sometime. Shouldn't I
be allowed to chuck rocks at your windows? I'm just expressing myself after
all, and I can even claim it as my art. I'd obviously do it when nobody was at
home so you folks wouldn't be hurt. Personally, I've seen some very talented
work out there but that in no way reduces the fact that it is vandalism
perpetrated by cowards who slink from the light of justice like so many
cockroaches. In the meantime, stay off my railroad. It's a dangerous enough
place without you throwing in other variables. Find a legal medium so that you,
too, can make a "well good living" and quit polluting the environment that the
rest of us have to live in.
Stan Rothwell
screech powers <all_rhy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >Talent? Oh, I forgot. We also like in an age
> >where "rap" is considered "music"... :O|
> >
> >Stan
>
>
> Stan! How are you?
> Anyways, how is rap not music? Im lost on this one. Someone banging on a
> drum is music. Thats how it all started... so if a break beat and chanted
> poetry is not then... hmmm
Someone "banging on a drum" is NOT 'music'.
I invest my own time, effort, and MONEY learning
Afro-Latin percussion so that I'm not merely
"banging on a drum". And I do it with my OWN
instruments that I purchased (conga and quinto),
or use instruments that others willingly LOAN to me
for my use. Your rationale for vandalizing a boxcar
is no better than if I were to sneak backstage at a
Poncho Sanchez concert and steal his instruments
so that I can "express" myself!!!
BTW, most "rappers", besides being foulmouthed,
uneducated street thugs, steal the work of others
and avoid paying royalties. No sympathy from
this quarter... :O(
> Of course graffiti art takes talent. Next thing your going to say is that
> its SCRIBBLE. HAHA! I love that one. You can't read the stuff so you label
> it scribble cause it looks "curvy".
Most of it consists of misspellings due to the
limited education, intelligence, and literacy
of the "artist", nothing more... :O|
Stan
Terry Sayers
GIVE IT A REST
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Stan Rothwell
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> HERE WE GO AGAIN EVERY 6 MONTHS THIS COMES UP AGAIN
>
> GIVE IT A REST
I'm suspecting it's the same group of miscreants
as well, who have merely changed their handles
to avoid being killfiled.
Apparently life over at alt.graffiti.vandalism is
getting sorta boring, so they want to come
next door and bother the adults. :O|
Stan
Steve Lynch
<SNIP>
>Not a waste of time at all. Many people say that because they think the
work
>is being un-noticed and their not making money off of their talent. But its
>how you look at it. Mozart died pennyless.
And the correlation?.... Making money from it makes it OK?
>New York City was where hip-hop graffiti art culture was invented. The NYC
>subway is where it all started. That was in the late 60's and early 80's,
>the found methods to remove graffiti from all the train cars.
What a shame. Yeah, it was one of the joys of going to work then...
clueless.
>Thus, graffiti
>moved to the railroads. If the artists never thought about panting the
>railroads, graffiti art probably would have died because walls can't reach
>as much people as a box car.
Let me see, A billboard(wall) that 10,000 cars pass a day or a boxcar buried
in a yard that travels (in most cases) through parts of the USA/Canada that
few people see. Remember railroad right-of-way are not located in the malls.
Or perhaps the 20 cars waiting at a crossing will study this work of art as
the freight rolls by at 40 mph.
>The railroads is for getting your art across North America.
No, try moving freight.
>Its a graffiti
>art mobile museum. The culture is so intence, you got people in their 70's
>taking picutres of the art now.
>Give a canvas to a graffiti artist and he/she will be able to do something
>never seen before, something beautiful in less than 2 hours. My friend gets
>from $100-$5000 for his cavases. Painting in yards is like, practice. You
>got to be fast, have top notch spray can control, and all around good!
Bravo, for vandalism.
>By the way, graffiti artists can make a well good living off their art. Its
>been done since the 70's.
>The graffiti art on the boxcars are not even the good stuff too. But if you
>want to see some nice railroad hip-hop graffiti art, check out this link.
>www.artcrimes.com/fr8/
>Oh yeah, almost most of them don't steal paint as someone said before. Its
>impossible for all the spray paint in america to get stolen just like that.
>Someone would have noticed the trend.
>People just don't understand them. They are hard working individuals that
go
>to extremes for art. It is a crime and is wrong, but come on.
Fianlly we agree.
That stuff
>looks fresh! HAHA!
>Next time you see a graffiti artist in the yards, don't chase them and beat
>them up. All they want to do is paint. Nothing more. Their friendly too!
>Talk to one. You will see. Next time you talk on your radios, just remember
>that most of them are tuning in. =]
An extremely thin set of arguments to justify trespass, and use of another's
property. Another example of the "me" culture. I want to do it, so I will.
I'd did enjoy your justification though. Go paint YOUR house.
>
mc_busman
dirt...@aol.com (MIDWEST MAYHEM) wrote:
> i was just wondering everybodys opinion on train grafiti ''from
> worker graffiti,to the murals done by the youth''.
Like John & some of the others here, I'm of 2 opinions. I too, am a
stockholder in my company (so buy, buy, buy!), and while noone can deny
that ~some~ of the colorful artwork is interesting (and makes a long
night of switching more interesting) or even beautiful and often the
product of sincere hard work on the painter's part, it still sucks to
see a nice newly factory painted box car all marked up.
Many artists paint over the car's designation numbers and letters with
no regard to the difficulties they're causing for switchmen and carmen
down the line. And yeah, some of the graffiti is just *crap* (usually
badly written gang slogans). Maybe we could work some sort of deal w/
graffiti artists. . .graffiti artists can paint up the crappy, rusty
dented cars, but paint around the numbers and car stats. . .
With regard to worker graffiti, most employees write in chalk, grease
pen, oil pastels (!), or chalk pen. Most are easier to ignore or clean
off than paint. A new young fellow in our yard wanted to start
"posting" his "handle", so to save himself any trouble, the carman gave
the kid a big stick of chalk ;-)
The most prolific handle I've seen in grease pencil or pastel has been
the one of the bearded railroad cowboy going against the wind (riding a
car?), from TX, I think. we also see one by "Solo Artist", depicting a
face with spectacles set against mountains. The old cars have "Herbie"
showing a palm tree with a sombrero'd Mexican (?) underneath.
The inside of the locomotives sometimes are decorated with union
slogans ("unify utu", "ble rulz", etc.), and often complementary
obscene suggestions for the chairman or president of the company.
Station bathrooms are my favorite--around here, you can't beat 'em for
a joke ro a silly cartoon. Surprisingly little bawdy humor, though.
As for me, I save all my drawing for the drawing board at home.
M.C. Busman
"Hold for yourself the belief
that each day that dawns is your last".
---Quintus Flaccus
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Before you buy.
John Garrison
at Clifton Forge GOB, there is much on politics, the union effort,
officials, and Salvation or the lack thereof. Little bawdiness, though a few
persons are accused of being bawdy. Like who does what with whom, (insert
your own activity)
screech powers
Foolish people today think that erecting the visual form of a building or
structure is of great virtue and merit. No wonder your so over protective of
your money. Its all you have in your life. With-out it, you would be more
weak than when you had none! Its a shame. You think your gaining something
from this stock but your actually losing.
Its the state of mind graffiti artists get from the painting. Art only goes
so far. We use it for the mind state. Its just like religion, which you seem
to not have. hmmm
screech powers
>stockholder in my company (so buy, buy, buy!), and while noone can deny
>that ~some~ of the colorful artwork is interesting (and makes a long
>night of switching more interesting) or even beautiful and often the
>product of sincere hard work on the painter's part, it still sucks to
>see a nice newly factory painted box car all marked up.
I agree. Painting the rusty old cars are first on the list.
I don't believe in wealth and I'm not materialistic so I don't agree with
the "buy, buy, buy" point of view.
>Many artists paint over the car's designation numbers and letters with
>no regard to the difficulties they're causing for switchmen and carmen
>down the line. And yeah, some of the graffiti is just *crap* (usually
>badly written gang slogans). Maybe we could work some sort of deal w/
>graffiti artists. . .graffiti artists can paint up the crappy, rusty
>dented cars, but paint around the numbers and car stats. . .
I agree. Many artists, that I know, use tape to cover the numbers and
sometimes the stats. Then, they use sand paper to take off dirt, rust, or
any substance. When finished doing the skeleton, filling, designing, etc. of
the piece, you wait a moment for drying and remove the tape to reveal a
nicely done car. Let me just say, I really am disgusted by all of the gang,
racist, santanic, and childish graffiti done but it comes with the it. Kids
like to emulate us.
>With regard to worker graffiti, most employees write in chalk, grease
>pen, oil pastels (!), or chalk pen. Most are easier to ignore or clean
>off than paint. A new young fellow in our yard wanted to start
>"posting" his "handle", so to save himself any trouble, the carman gave
>the kid a big stick of chalk ;-)
I'm a great fan of chalk and pastel art. I do some pavement art in the city
aswell because it really shocks passers by and changes their view on life.
I was curious if you guys ever caught any graffiti artists in the act? Or
even chased any. Got any wild stories to share?
Although I don't agree with some of you here, I do respect you. Their are
bad rr workers, and their are good rr workers. My friend was painting in a
yard last year. He came all the way from London to paint some canadian
freights. When we was painting, 5 workers caught him and harassed him. They
beat him with a metal pole a couple of times and proceeded to kick him while
he was down. Although he shouldn't have been in the yard, they didn't have
to beat him like that. Its only paint. He is a good guy too. Good artist and
never went over the numbers.
John Garrison
I have not religion that is true, but FWIW I am Christian to the point of
being religious some might argue. As such I would make refernece to the
Commandment, You Shall not covet your negihbors wife, your negihbors
servants nor anything that is your neighbors. I.E. They are not your
railcars to paint, therefore you fall way short in appropriating what is not
yours for your own use. At the very least you could ask the railroad, "May I
paint some murals on your cars?"
John Garrison
Worker Art? THe only pictures the carmen draw are the ones that tell the
yard crew what spot to put a bad order car in on the shop track. As for
myself I use a switchlist, providing I can read the number on the car, I
already know where to put it.
screech powers
>I have not religion that is true, but FWIW I am Christian to the point of
>being religious some might argue. As such I would make refernece to the
>Commandment, You Shall not covet your negihbors wife, your negihbors
>servants nor anything that is your neighbors. I.E. They are not your
>railcars to paint, therefore you fall way short in appropriating what is
not
>yours for your own use. At the very least you could ask the railroad, "May
I
>paint some murals on your cars?"
>
If only it was that simple. Conscent, Ownership, and Justice. Somethings
that have nothing to do with this. Never did and never will.
J Stryker
talent they all seem to have.
Yes, I worked for the rails a long time and guess I was lucky to never have
seen them paint over the IDs, but most of the crews looked up to see numbers on
the end of the car, to have longer to look at them.
I really don't see the virtue of "freshly painted" rust red cars. The graffiti
improves them IMHO.
MIDWEST MAYHEM
i think everyone who as ever wacthed a train pass has seen some solo artist
work.
the solo artist gets up
jesus loves me
John Garrison
That means that I may drop by and paint artful pictures on your automobile?
Or come to your house and hang up Allman Brothers Posters? Would you like
paisley walls? Or shall I paint whatever I like while you are not looking?
Consent, Ownership and Justice have everything to do with this. If you do
not consent to my painting up what you own, I am unjust in doing it anyway.
You being owner of the object are perfectly just in saying to me do not
paint that thing. It's about respect, you respect me and my stuff and the
way I want it to look and I'll respect you and your stuff and the way you
want it to look. Respect is earned not given.
Brian Strom
nice smooth coat of IC orange or SP red over their work would look nice to
me. I wonder if the artists would get pissed off enough to throw a punch or
two. After all PETA, Abortion Nuts and Racist nuts like bombs so paint can't
be that bad.
Please stay away from the railroad cars because some of us think that a
perfectly clean railcar is art. Just like a old building looks better
without the addition of "art". I wonder why your pal traveled all the way
from London to commit a crime. Stiffer criminal penalties in his home town
maybe?
One of the founding principals of this country was the right to own
property. I don't think the people that fought and died for this country
did it so you and your vandal pals can go around ruining it. You're very
arrogant to think just because you don't paint the numbers that it's OK. How
do you know what information is vital to operations? If I can come to see
your art hanging in a gallery and then paint over it to "improve it" with my
own brand of art then you can paint trains. When it becomes OK to deface
art hanging in a gallery then it becomes OK to deface railcars and other
private property. Until then paint your car, your house and your hair just
stay away from other people's stuff.
I think this whole thing got started so a couple of criminals could promote
their web site.
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Douglas Smith
One of our crews caught a guy in Milwaukee. He ended up paying a $7000 fine
and IIRC did a little jail time as well, because like you said, it's a CRIME.
Personally, a little materialism in moderation is not a bad thing. It's hard to
eat, sleep and live on idealism. If you haven't found that out yet, trust me
you will. Nothing wrong with good ideals, to be sure. Will yours stand up to
scrutiny?
cheapfame
trying to take pictures and having to put up with all this
graffiti. darn those crazy kids!
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screech powers <all_rhy...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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> bad rr workers, and their are good rr workers. My friend was painting in
a
> yard last year. He came all the way from London to paint some canadian
> freights. When we was painting, 5 workers caught him and harassed him.
They
> beat him with a metal pole a couple of times and proceeded to kick him
while
> he was down. Although he shouldn't have been in the yard, they didn't
have
> to beat him like that. Its only paint. He is a good guy too. Good artist
and
> never went over the numbers.
Hey, it was only paint.
Hey, it was only a metal pole.
Same difference. So your crime partner friend does some illegal things. So
the rail workers did some illegal things. All the same in the end, eh?
--->Paul
--->Paul
screech powers
>Or come to your house and hang up Allman Brothers Posters? Would you like
>paisley walls? Or shall I paint whatever I like while you are not looking?
>Consent, Ownership and Justice have everything to do with this. If you do
>not consent to my painting up what you own, I am unjust in doing it anyway.
>You being owner of the object are perfectly just in saying to me do not
>paint that thing. It's about respect, you respect me and my stuff and the
>way I want it to look and I'll respect you and your stuff and the way you
>want it to look. Respect is earned not given.
>
That is true, but I don't want your respect.
Don't be so blinded and just cast ownership of something like its air.
This is a game of Tom and Jerry... and Jerry is getting away with the slice
of cheese.
screech powers
>
>Hey, it was only a metal pole.
>
>Same difference. So your crime partner friend does some illegal things. So
>the rail workers did some illegal things. All the same in the end, eh?
>
Almost killing a person and adding a coat to a surface is a completely
different thing. OK Paul? Now go in the corner and play until your mommie
picks you up.
John Garrison
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You do not want my respect? Then you shall have my disdain. Not for you,
but your backward philosophy. Evenso it is better to forgive.
screech powers
>perfectly clean railcar is art.
That is not art you you overgrown talking pig.
Go back to work and patrol the yards all day. Don't forget to chit-chat on
your radio while chowing down on your junk food. Try not to fall asleep on
the job aswell. I know its hard. Thats how you contribute to the world,
isn't it?
>One of the founding principals of this country was the right to own
>property.
Hey fat pig, their will never be justice on stolen land you dumbass. Get
back to work and park some boxcars.
I don't think the people that fought and died for this country
>did it so you and your vandal pals can go around ruining it.
Someone sure likes our efforts. *High-Fives the natives*
You're very
>arrogant to think just because you don't paint the numbers that it's OK.
How
>do you know what information is vital to operations?
I know everything that goes on. I watch you guys do everything. I sit in
those yards doing my homework and reading on religion while your chatting
with your friends damaging the loot in the cars that you claim to protect.
Drinking on the job is a no no.
I notice a heavy amount of workers talking about performing illegal acts
too.
When it becomes OK to deface
>art hanging in a gallery then it becomes OK to deface railcars and other
>private property.
Now thats a comment to hang on your mothers wall. Your one real smart
cookie. Were you the one in woodshop that could make a house rapidly but
played with fire in sciene class? Thats you!
screech powers
>but your backward philosophy. Evenso it is better to forgive.
>
We should meet sometime and chat. Your an interesting character.
John Garrison
> > You do not want my respect? Then you shall have my disdain. Not for you,
> >but your backward philosophy. Evenso it is better to forgive.
> >
>
>
> We should meet sometime and chat. Your an interesting character.
>
>
>
Well, thanks, I' take that as compliment, as I've been called worse. Should
time and tide roll me to your particular beach, I'll tip a hat and say
hello, likely I'll not yet agree with your choice of canvas but that's
another day.
Brian Strom
You assume too much and know very little.
Doing homework still? Obviously the religion you are reading doesn't include
the "Golden Rule" and other messages of respect. Just looking at the
pictures? Does your mommy know what you do with your spare time? Wonder if
she would let you spray paint her kitchen for her.
Those of us that have gone to college and become productive members of
society will always have a difference of opinions with the criminals of
society. "We can commit our crimes because..........." is the battle cry of
most of you. My parents were mean to me, Big Corporations, it's not as bad
as murder and other excuses are used to justify the criminal act.
Taking drugs and being a Hippie didn't seem to work real well. Most of them
grew up and cleaned up. When you grow up you will look back and say, "Man,
what was I thinking back then" or "Please Bubba not in the ass again I'm
really sore." while you are spending a few years in the slammer.
The choice is yours.
>
> That is not art you you overgrown talking pig.
> Go back to work and patrol the yards all day. Don't forget to chit-chat on
> your radio while chowing down on your junk food. Try not to fall asleep on
> the job aswell. I know its hard. Thats how you contribute to the world,
> isn't it? (I work in a office and eat quite healthy thank you)
>
> >One of the founding principals of this country was the right to own
> >property.
>
> Hey fat pig, their will never be justice on stolen land you dumbass. Get
> back to work and park some boxcars. (Lame reason for commiting crimes)
>
> I don't think the people that fought and died for this country
> >did it so you and your vandal pals can go around ruining it.
>
> Someone sure likes our efforts. *High-Fives the natives* (Other criminals)
>
> You're very
> >arrogant to think just because you don't paint the numbers that it's OK.
> How
> >do you know what information is vital to operations?
>
> I know everything that goes on. I watch you guys do everything. I sit in
> those yards doing my homework and reading on religion while your chatting
> with your friends damaging the loot in the cars that you claim to protect.
> Drinking on the job is a no no.
> I notice a heavy amount of workers talking about performing illegal acts
> too. (Doesn't make it right)
>
> When it becomes OK to deface
> >art hanging in a gallery then it becomes OK to deface railcars and other
> >private property. (Golden Rule)
>
> Now thats a comment to hang on your mothers wall. Your one real smart
> cookie. Were you the one in woodshop that could make a house rapidly but
> played with fire in sciene class? Thats you!
> (Actually Physics and the sciences were my strong classes never took shop)
>
> You better work on you logic, it will probably help your grades. Don't
they have a newsgroup for vandals and criminals?
screech powers
>time and tide roll me to your particular beach, I'll tip a hat and say
>hello, likely I'll not yet agree with your choice of canvas but that's
>another day.
>
Thank-you. Although we do not agree on this matter, we should find something
to we do and leave it on a positive note. I'm glad we had this talk John. I
truely enjoyed it. In the future, I hope their is a format at which we all
can discuss better ways on which graffiti artists can find a better canvas.
Take care of yourself.
PEACE
Douglas Smith
You're (not "your") a funny one, Screech. You're all warm and fuzzy one
moment and vitriolic and hateful the next. Personally, I don't agree with
beating up someone for any crime, no matter how heinous. Sometimes it's
difficult, especially when the victim of a crime is a child and the perpetrator
is a real slime ball. But I believe in letting the justice system do what it is
charged to do. Personally, I find what you do reprehensible and a detriment to
the environment. This has nothing to do with depletion of the ozone layer or
some other such concern from using flourocarbons contained in spray paint. It
has everything to do with turning a neighborhood into a trash heap, for giving
the lowlives amongst us a sign that this is an area where they can do as they
please. To me and others, graffiti is nothing but a symptom of a larger ill. I
do not claim that some of the work doesn't take talent. Some of it is downright
amazing in its scope and it certainly does reflect something of its culture.
But that does not give its proponents the right and privilege to choose any
surface they deem proper to propagate their media. From what I have seen, most
graffiti is little above the method a dog uses to mark its territory, the
illiterate scribblings of the juvenile wasteland. You liken it to a Tom and
Jerry cartoon, but in the real world the relationship between predator and prey
is much different. The predators live at the top of the food chain and the prey
must breed prolifically in order to survive and provide fodder for their genetic
superiors. And there's the difference: your kind aren't that prolific and over
time you will be absorbed into the system. Undoubtedly you will retain a
certain amount of individuality. We all do. But most of us have learned to
overcome the foolishness we did as youths. Those who haven't, well.....some can
take an art form and make a living at it because it pleases those around them.
Paul McCartney certainly angered the parents of his generation by some of his
youthful antics. But his music continues to please generations following and
he's even been granted the highest of honors by the government of his society.
He aged, he matured, he mellowed somewhat, but mostly he learned to adapt. As
for you, if you're a good artist, I hope you find acceptance and
accomplishment. I hope you find an arena where your work is accepted. But you
will not find such as long as you disdain the works of others, those works being
the personal and public property they have collectively worked for. If you
cannot find respect for others, you will find ostracism at best, imprisonment at
worst. This is our world and we must make the best of it by working together.
Funny how it's not the same way I viewed the world as a young man. As Vonnegut
would say, so it goes......
screech powers
one
>moment and vitriolic and hateful the next.
I try to be good. At the present time, I'm deleting all hate in my soul.
Sometimes it lashes out of me and I don't like myself when it happens. I'm
sorry for the hateful comments I made.
I read your comments and I liked what you had to say. I agree with almost
all of what you said.
Sometimes its important to remember not to classify all of us as a whole
though. Some artists do all legal work. Some are out of control and tag like
manic's in the night, hitting everything that will get seen. We also have to
realize that graffiti is something we all created. Modern graffiti serves as
therapy for the youth that sometimes feel left out in society. Their art
work is their place in society and the wall(or boxcar) represents society
and they want to be heard. Thats where the the energy comes from and why
modern hip-hop graffiti has made such an impact on our world today. We must
help the youth. Its true that its better to put this energy into the spray
can and creating something beautiful than joining a gang or rioting. We
shouldn't throw them in jail, we should help them.
mc_busman
offering otherwise unused space to graffiti artists for their work
(bridge abutements, concrete walls in the park, etc.). Although there
are some guidelines set by the city to prevent conflict (no gang art,
nothing raciall or sexual, nothing political, etc.), for the most part
there are some pretty impresive murals and "handles" adorning the
designated areas. It also tends to be easier for the artist--no
worries about getting arrested or beat up, being able to paint in broad
daylight, and the added bonus of getting to share the art work with the
public in high profile places. Periodically, artists paint over one
anothers work (usually handles last for a month or so--great murals may
remain unmolested for years), but probably not as quickly as a
disgruntled business owner who has to re-greywash his storefront, or
the overburdened shopman who has to remove the paint off the side of a
car to retrieve its specs.
Art is, and always has been subjective (a matter of opinion and
preference). There will always be those who find artistic efforts
among those accomplishments which most credit the mankind--and those
who use it to point to the demise of our kind. Some find certain sorts
of art objectionable (offensive). Such opinions are based upon the
experiences and views of the individual, and are not likely to be
changed.
While part of the "thrill" for some artists who paint up railcars is
the idea that the work will be seen by many--a moving gallery of sorts,
maybe this is just another futile grasp at fame or imortality (which,
actually, seems somewhat materialistic)--who knows. I suppose if our
respective employers considered graffiti to be a ~huge~ problem, they'd
start using graffiti-resistant paint on the cars, like the MTA of new
york.
All the same, society does consider painting someone elses property
w/out their consent a crime (think if it were your house and someone
painted it in colors you hated while you were away at work--yech), even
if that property belongs to a big monster corporation. Graffiti is as
old as the human race--I suppose annoyance at its sudden appearence
probably relates to the ownership of personal property, something that
isn't likely to change.
Yet another conflict unresolved. Such is life.
M.C.
In article <uT0m4.9734$XT4....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,
--
"Hold for yourself the belief
that each day that dawns is your last".
--Quintus Horatius Flaccus
Noel Stoutenburg
> Some cities, including mine, have tried to solve the problem by
> offering otherwise unused space to graffiti artists for their work
> (bridge abutements, concrete walls in the park, etc.).
In the Chicago area large portions of structures have been painted with
"formal" murals for years. The North side of the Metra (ex-CNW) elevated
tracks (along Kinzie?) have an entire series of portraits of endangered
species painted on the concrete retaining wall. Have been intact for
_YEARS_: (IIRC, they were painted in the late 1960's or early 1970's), and
I don't recall ever seeing a stroke of graffiti on them. Same with a large
mural with a Latino theme on the South side of the BN elevation on Western
Avenue. Has been in place for about 20 years, and last time I saw it
(about 15 months ago) it was unmarked by graffiti artists. Also, major
buildings in Chicago that have been decorated have remained free from
graffiti; there is a warehouse along the Eisenhower Expressway (North side
of the expressway, about 1000 W.) that has been painted to pretend to be a
more modern office building for years, about a year ago I was alongside
that building at ground level, and didn't find a mark.
The point: if it is ever up to me, I think I'll block off the areas for
reporting marks, consolidated stencils, etc, and let the graffiti
artists--or anyone else who wishes--paint my cars. I'll even buy the
paint, and provide some ground rules (e.g. no profanity, no advertisements
of commercial products).
Lon Maggard
care........ train grafitti cost the taxpayers of ths nation millions
of dollars a year......... simply because the rail companys can only go
soo long without having to re-paint........ nationwide.... this in
return... causes them to have to raise prices..... whether it be for
fares or..... hauling a boxar of oranges from calf. to nyc!!!!!.......
now...... wat do you thnk about graffiti... since it's costing you
money!!!!
HEY!!!!!!, I'M JUST A DUMB OLD COUNTRY BOY, TRYING TO GET
BY IN A WORLD OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!
Lon Maggard
Lon Maggard
things.... like........ therapy... on how to get out of the
gang!!!!
Lon Maggard
Lon Maggard
about as much sense as those bastards in d.c., who give themselves
raises and then turn around and raise taxes!!!!!....
Lon Maggard
destruction i was causing either......... just so.... i got
noticed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... how wonderful!
Lon Maggard
seem to ge out of the gang....... long enough to learn anything about
te outside world....... and besides ....... haven'tyou
noticed................... they can't paint a straight
line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lon Maggard
maggard........... CSX!
Lon Maggard
yo just wish you did???????..... besides ...banging on a drum is not
music!!!!!!...... my son-in-law got a scholarship to u of k because of
drums........ and upon grads.,,,...... went to usc for master and
doctorate......... drums he knows.... drums he makes ,,, while he is
not writing music....... drums he knows about....... banging on a
drum is not making music......... sorry!!!!!!
Lon Maggard
Lon Maggard
but God bless..... i may be leaving early..... and i'm only 50...
was already out because of my back....spinal stenosis and degenerative
authriris..... now.... had a heart attack 2 weks ago..... KEEP ON
TRUCKING!!!!!!!!! and tell them how many millions it cost to
re-pait many thousand cars!!!!!....... God bless,
s/a maggard CSX-louisville
Brian Strom
money in the Graffiti Blaster trucks. These high pressure washers knock the
paint right off most buildings and there is a hot line to call have the
trucks come right out. This may be the reason some things are so clean.
Noel Stoutenburg <mjo...@ticnet.com> wrote in message
news:947D0BA32296B835.67B56927...@lp.airnews.net...
Lon Maggard
maggard, csx special agent......louisville!!
Lon Maggard
materials....!.... a lot of folks have not experienced lving close to
a track, when a derailment occurs! ask the to contac the folks in
shepherdsville, ky.!!!!!!!!!!!!!1..... the have no idea what goes a
railroads mainline track on a daily basis.... or what passes throught
their towns and city's!!!!!!.... after all....... ignorance is
bliss.... maybe we should just let them find out the hard
way!!!!!!!!........ excuse the lefout letters and spelling ..... i
am in a hurry!!!!! got to go to work!!!!! listen man!... be safe
and watch for the fog ... and don't forget the smeller!!!!!!!
God bless,,, special agent
CSX-louisville
Lon Maggard
from it...... it's o.k.????????...... i guess the millions it costs
to repaint railcars two weeks after they are back o the rails,,,,,, with
graffiti......... makes it o.k.???? .......... Jesus-God
......... grow up!!!!!!!
Lon Maggard
to work for CSX!!!!!!!! anbody getting a bonus this year?????? i
think not........ Conrail took care of that! s/a
maggard.......................... louis----ville,ky.!!!!!!!!!! take
care...be safe!
Lon Maggard
give'em HELL man!!!!!!!!!........ special agent
CSX..louisville
Lon Maggard
however,,,,, i am a s/a..... with 29 counties to cover in ky. and
in.,,,,.... who do you work for? GIVE'EM HELL
SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lon Maggard
Lon Maggard
ANY?????????........
Lon Maggard
....MISTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????? what are you going to look at
then???????...... your 4 wall every day???????/
Lon Maggard
remember......... these little half litterate BASTARDS........
have no respect...... not only for themselves......... but......
SURELY..... NOT for someone else's lives or property!!!!!!!!!! the
little walking ZOMBIES......... don't even know how they got to the
gondola or boxcar!!!!!!!.... and just think........ THIS.. is
our country's future!!!!!!!!! dosen't it make you sick at your
stomach???????? "THE NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD!"........ God
it's SCAREY!!!!!!!!! oh well.... i'll be gone before the rocket
scientists can get me............ it's my precious grand child i worry
about!!!!!! God bless... be safe
s/a maggard,...CSX
Lon Maggard
Lon Maggard
Lon Maggard
Lon Maggard
tip my hat!!!!!!...
Lon Maggard
CANVASS.............. not steel....... and other people's
lives.......... and money!!!!!!!!!!!!..... most
importantly................. LIVES!!!!!!!!
s/a maggard-CSX LOUISVILLE .
John Garrison
Lon Maggard <uncl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24428-38...@storefull-258.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> john! i don't work the yard.... i don't work the line of road.....
> however,,,,, i am a s/a..... with 29 counties to cover in ky. and
> in.,,,,.... who do you work for? GIVE'EM HELL
> SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
Lon, CSX I work for and some in Floyd and Letcher County Ky. When not in
Virginia. BTW, I'm not giving H--L, I buried the hatchet with S. Powers
Stan Rothwell
screech powers <all_rhy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Tk3l4.3998$XT4....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
>
> >I don't want to see pictures of railcar grafitti. I see it everyday, I am
a
> >railroader. If you promise not to paint my railroad up, I'll promise not
to
> >paint your car! Yes, my railroad....in addditon to being an employee, I
am
> >also a stockholder. Repainting grafittied cars is costing me a bundle in
> >potential dividends!
>
>
> Foolish people today think that erecting the visual form of a building or
> structure is of great virtue and merit. No wonder your so over protective
of
> your money. Its all you have in your life. With-out it, you would be more
> weak than when you had none! Its a shame. You think your gaining something
> from this stock but your actually losing.
> Its the state of mind graffiti artists get from the painting. Art only
goes
> so far. We use it for the mind state. Its just like religion, which you
seem
> to not have. hmmm
Only a heavy user of pharmaceuticals, or a mindless teen
using psychobabble to rationalize his behavior, would use
the above to justify vandalism...
Stan
Trainmaster72
talk about this shit come on?
is your railroad cutting?
MIDWEST MAYHEM
>destruction i was causing either......... just so.... i got
>noticed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... how wonderful!
exacltly, now bring on the churches,neiborhood corner stores,and the yuppies
lexus cuz ill paint them all
jesus loves me
Douglas Smith
Neither, Lon, I'm an engineer.
Lon Maggard wrote:
> JESUS DOUG!!!!!!!!!.... are you a specil agent,,, or a conductor????
> give'em HELL man!!!!!!!!!........ special agent
> CSX..louisville
>
Noel Stoutenburg
> You forgot to mention that the city of Chicago has also invested a lot of
> money in the Graffiti Blaster trucks. These high pressure washers knock the
> paint right off most buildings and there is a hot line to call have the
> trucks come right out. This may be the reason some things are so clean.
Well, as these things are all painted on the structures I descibed to start
with, they too, would have been taken off the structures themselves.
Sr. burns
254.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, uncl...@webtv.net (Lon Maggard)
wrote:
>yea..... their little allowances should be spent for more
inportant
>things.... like........ therapy... on how to get out of the
>gang!!!!
>
>HEY!!!!!!, I'M JUST A DUMB OLD COUNTRY BOY, TRYING
TO GET
>BY IN A WORLD OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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258.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, uncl...@webtv.net (Lon Maggard)
wrote:
>hey BRIAN!!!!!!! who do you work for?????? you have to
>remember......... these little half litterate
BASTARDS........
>have no respect...... not only for themselves.........
but......
>SURELY..... NOT for someone else's lives or
property!!!!!!!!!! the
>little walking ZOMBIES......... don't even know how they got
to the
>gondola or boxcar!!!!!!!.... and just think........
THIS.. is
>our country's future!!!!!!!!! dosen't it make you sick at
your
>stomach???????? "THE NIGHT OF THE LIVING
DEAD!"........ God
>it's SCAREY!!!!!!!!! oh well.... i'll be gone before the
rocket
>scientists can get me............ it's my precious grand
child i worry
>about!!!!!! God bless...
be safe
>s/a maggard,...CSX
>
TO GET
>BY IN A WORLD OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!
>
>
J Stryker
>THIS.. is
>>our country's future!!!!!!!!! dosen't it make you sick at
>your
>>stomach????????
No, actually what makes me sick is that people like you already control the
country. And what is even worse is that people like me LET you
Raymond Browewrs
where the average is like 4
Rat6666
> Someone "banging on a drum" is NOT 'music'.
It may not be music, but who asked? It is rhythm, and rhythm is an
integral component of music.
> BTW, most "rappers", besides being foulmouthed,
> uneducated street thugs, steal the work of others
> and avoid paying royalties. No sympathy from
> this quarter... :O(
I can't disagree on this, no matter how much I like hip-hop. But this is
a generalization which should be avoided. There are many positive
influences within hip-hop culture, most notable KRS-One from the Bronx,
NYC. Look him up and study for a bit, you WILL learn something.
> Most of it consists of misspellings due to the
> limited education, intelligence, and literacy
> of the "artist", nothing more... :O|
Once again a very gross generalization. Where have you researched case
studies of actual graffiti writers and found out their education levels,
intelligence queries, and/or literacy rates? I would like to study this
too. Please let me know. And since most graffiti is painted to display
the name of the creator, I would doubt that anyone would spell their own
handle incorrectly.
There are some great pieces of work running on steel in this country,
and hundreds more pop up every week. But I do agree that there is a
point where some of it gets ugly and dirty. Graffiti on trains will not
stop anytime soon, and graffiti will always be present in society as
long as there is social class stratification. Property *believed* to be
in the public domain (i.e. rail cars) will always face the highest
chance of being spraypainted due to the fact that most graffiti writers
don't like to hurt people. They may hurt people's income, but that is
partly their goal, to make the upper class realize that minorities and
less-privileged people are fighting for changes. You probably have never
seen anyone's car or house spraypainted. That is because they would not
want that happening to them, and because they respect the working class
citizens, not the corporate conglomerate superpowers which rule the
world, quite literally. So the writers go out and express themselves
positively, negatively, and quite stunningly, in most cases, on running
steel where it will hurt the least amount of individuals.
Anyway thats a good summary of the freight train graffiti scene in this
country, from an experienced participant and documentor.
~rat
Rat6666
>
> what about when they start painting the ends
> ....MISTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????? what are you going to look at
> then???????...... your 4 wall every day???????/
>
> BY IN A WORLD OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!
____
Why the hell would we want to paint the ends????????????????
And the very TOPS of the ends, at that!!! The goal is visibility, buddy.
There is more than enough room on ANY car, to paint a large, beautiful
piece without disturbing the numbers and stats. And if there isn't room,
then there is always another car with room.
~rat
Rat6666
> i'm really getting sick of tried of going to the yards and
> trying to take pictures and having to put up with all this
> graffiti. darn those crazy kids!
hahaha! you'll never catch me!! hehehe! hiss! snaaaa!!
Rat6666
Wonderful reply, I've been waiting for someone to speak up!
~rat
(TTTTGX: temporarily transient to the group)
Rat6666
> This has nothing to do with depletion of the ozone layer or
> some other such concern from using flourocarbons contained in spray paint.
Good point Doug, cause spraypaint doesn't contain chlorofluorocarbons
anymore. GET A CLUE!
But those solvents will still kill you slowly...
~rat
Brian Strom
self inflicted. The media preaches they have problems and they finally
start believing it and it helps sell merchandise like skate boards, pants
that don't fit and high caffeine pop. The youth have had problems going back
to the beginning of time. Remember those Rock and Roll teenagers that were
going to ruin the country? Now the liars in Washington use Rock for
campaign themes. Gore's wife is still trying to ban certain songs while the
MTV youth think the Gore is cool. Listening to music and defacing property
are too different things.
Rat6666 <rat...@home.com> wrote in message
news:389FB48C...@home.com...
Railcars are still private property it's just that they have to run through
some tough neighborhoods and they stand still a lot with nobody watching out
for them. Just because there isn't a fence doesn't mean come on and start
painting.
> will always face the highest chance of being spraypainted due to the fact
that >most graffiti writers don't like to hurt people. They may hurt
people's income, >but that is
> partly their goal, to make the upper class realize that minorities and
> less-privileged people are fighting for changes
What changes are you fighting for? Do you vote? Trying working for change
at the ballot box. It's much harder to do than sneaking around spray
painting a defenseless objects. I don't see much of a message for change
painted on the cars. There's all kinds of government support for the less
privileged. Ever try to get government support and not be of a so called
"less-privileged" class.
Committing vandalism is not the way to getting a good job. Never seen
Aerosol Manipulation Specialist on any resumes yet. There are plenty of
minority working class guys at most of the railroads.
>You probably have never
> seen anyone's car or house spraypainted.
They do it all the time in Chicago. UP tracks over the Eisenhower are
protected by a high steel fence to stop bullets coming out of the high rise
next to the tracks. Some paint, some break things, some shoot but, they all
use the "Rage Against the World" defense.
> That is because they would not
> want that happening to them, and because they respect the working class
> citizens,
Bull! Who do think gets laid off when corporate profits are down? The
damage costs money to fix and everybody knows when expenses go up, heads
start to roll. What about the "working class" guy who is relying on the
railroad stock in his retirement account to send his kids to school? Do you
think the suits come down and clean the cars?
>not the corporate conglomerate superpowers which rule the
> world, quite literally. So the writers go out and express themselves
> positively, negatively, and quite stunningly, in most cases, on running
> steel where it will hurt the least amount of individuals.
You use hurt. At least you admit that some of the attraction to vandalism
is the "hurt". After all it wouldn't be fun if you didn't run the risk of
getting caught. The adrenaline of committing the crime is what makes it fun
and since railcars are easy targets you have a better chance of getting away
with it. If you tried to paint houses I'm sure the cops would be called or
the owners would respond to your trespassing.
>
> Anyway that's a good summary of the freight train graffiti scene in this
> country, from an experienced participant and documentor.
> ~rat
"Scene" just tries to make it cool. The drug "scene", the rap "scene", the
golf "scene" and so on. Using "scene" just tries to gather support from
others to your cause. The more people doing it just makes it more cool.
Try the education and work "scene". Have you ever tried to sell your art
skills for legitimate business? There are plenty of small businesses that
could use some graphics art help and you could make some green while your at
it. I'm sure your computer and art skills would get you farther helping
business than defacing rail cars. Look for the opportunity and start making
actual change rather than just talking about it.
railr...@my-deja.com
the law, and graffiti is a crime. However, I think that the railroad
companies should hire some of these artists to preform their art on the
boxcars. Some of the art is pretty good, I love to sit at a crossing
and see the cars go by with the graffiti, it's really interesting. I
think Amtrak should look into this because if they paint the cars
without swearing, or anything obscene, it may improve the image of the
trains. You have to admit that when you are sitting at a crossing, it
would be nice to see something interesting, instead of the same old
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Stan Rothwell
> J Stryker wrote:
> > >and just think........
> > >THIS.. is
> > >>our country's future!!!!!!!!! dosen't it make you sick at
> > >your
> > >>stomach????????
> >
> > No, actually what makes me sick is that people like you already control
the
> > country. And what is even worse is that people like me LET you
>
> Wonderful reply, I've been waiting for someone to speak up!
>
Now you're going to feed us the crap that
you're making a political statement, right?
It's been long-known amongst crinimologists that
haven't succumbed to the latets wave of PC
psycho-babble that petty criminals are typically
characertized by low IQ and immaturity. Guess
your mama didn't slap you hard enough the first
time she caught you writing on the wall with crayons.
Now PLEASE grow up and leave the adults alone.
Stan
Stan Rothwell
> > You're (not "your") a funny one, Screech. You're all warm and fuzzy
> one
> >moment and vitriolic and hateful the next.
>
> I try to be good. At the present time, I'm deleting all hate in my soul.
> Sometimes it lashes out of me and I don't like myself when it happens. I'm
> sorry for the hateful comments I made.
Then how about showing your respect for your
fellow man and stop vandalizing the property
of others? Buy your own boxcar if you HAVE
to paint on railway equipment...
Stan
Stan Rothwell
J Stryker <jstry...@aol.com578> wrote in message
news:20000206234422...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> >and just think........
> >THIS.. is
> >>our country's future!!!!!!!!! dosen't it make you sick at
> >your
> >>stomach????????
>
> No, actually what makes me sick is that people like you already control
the
> country. And what is even worse is that people like me LET you
You have no choice... You're an irrational vandal
who has nothing to offer. As screwed up as people
may be in this country, they are not about to allow
an infantile vandal like you run the show (now if
we could only get them to feel the same way about
the lying SOB in the Oral Office).
Stan Rothwell
> Stan Rothwell wrote:
> > Someone "banging on a drum" is NOT 'music'.
>
> It may not be music, but who asked? It is rhythm, and rhythm is an
> integral component of music.
Grab a quinto, lay down a 4/4 tumbao with clear
defined tones, and you have rythym. Sorry, Bosco,
but whacking on a drum machine and yelling "mofo"
doesn't hack it....
>
> > BTW, most "rappers", besides being foulmouthed,
> > uneducated street thugs, steal the work of others
> > and avoid paying royalties. No sympathy from
> > this quarter... :O(
>
> I can't disagree on this, no matter how much I like hip-hop. But this is
> a generalization which should be avoided. There are many positive
> influences within hip-hop culture, most notable KRS-One from the Bronx,
> NYC. Look him up and study for a bit, you WILL learn something.
>
> > Most of it consists of misspellings due to the
> > limited education, intelligence, and literacy
> > of the "artist", nothing more... :O|
>
> Once again a very gross generalization. Where have you researched case
> studies of actual graffiti writers and found out their education levels,
> intelligence queries, and/or literacy rates?
All I have to do is look at the gross butchering
of the language (as well as read the replies here)
to confirm what I have said...
> I would like to study this
> too. Please let me know. And since most graffiti is painted to display
> the name of the creator, I would doubt that anyone would spell their own
> handle incorrectly.
>
> There are some great pieces of work running on steel in this country,
> and hundreds more pop up every week. But I do agree that there is a
> point where some of it gets ugly and dirty. Graffiti on trains will not
> stop anytime soon, and graffiti will always be present in society as
> long as there is social class stratification. Property *believed* to be
> in the public domain (i.e. rail cars) will always face the highest
> chance of being spraypainted due to the fact that most graffiti writers
> don't like to hurt people.
Uh, pop songs not protected by copyright are
in the public domain, not boxcars owned by
railroads with their reporting marks on the
side... You're using psycho-babble to rationalize
your vandalism.
> They may hurt people's income, but that is
> partly their goal,
So you admit that, and you think it's right?
> to make the upper class realize that minorities and
> less-privileged people are fighting for changes.
Has it ever occured inside your PC-infected skull
that the reason some people are better off
economically is not because they are "priveleged",
but perhaps that they GET OFF THEIR ASSES
AND GO TO WORK instead of spending their
time vandalizing the property of others? The first
key to economic achievement is the acceptance
of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. The crap
you flatulate here is the complete antithesis of it,
and is the PRECISE reason that some people
stay on the bottom....
That mindless political babble may work with
your sociology professors, but it doesn't wash
with those who work for a living... :O(
> You probably have never
> seen anyone's car or house spraypainted. That is because they would not
> want that happening to them, and because they respect the working class
> citizens, not the corporate conglomerate superpowers which rule the
> world, quite literally.
Save the lefty politico-babble for your stupid
hip-hop lyrics... you have no real idea how the
world works. How about putting away the
spray paint can, getting a job, paying some
taxes, and learn what it's like to be an adult?
THEN, come back 10 years from now and
lecture us about society - when you actually
have a CLUE!
Until then, you're just a child, and you will
continue to be treated as such... :O(
Stan
Stan Rothwell
> >Well, thanks, I' take that as compliment, as I've been called worse.
Should
> >time and tide roll me to your particular beach, I'll tip a hat and say
> >hello, likely I'll not yet agree with your choice of canvas but that's
> >another day.
> Thank-you. Although we do not agree on this matter, we should find
something
> to we do and leave it on a positive note. I'm glad we had this talk John.
I
> truely enjoyed it. In the future, I hope their is a format at which we all
> can discuss better ways on which graffiti artists can find a better
canvas.
How about BUYING your own freight cars?
Or would spray-painting your OWN property
take all the fun out of it??? :O(
Stan
Douglas Smith
Why the hell would we want to paint the ends????????????????
> And the very TOPS of the ends, at that!!! The goal is visibility, buddy.
>
> There is more than enough room on ANY car, to paint a large, beautiful
> piece without disturbing the numbers and stats. And if there isn't room,
> then there is always another car with room.
And Smitty replies:
Just proves you're too lazy to climb. And please don't repeat the mantra
that you guys don't paint the stats and reporting marks. I have yet to see a
car where this was the intentional case. Oh, yeah, like Stan said, get a
job.
Douglas Smith
And Smitty replies:
A clue I already have. You obviously don't because you were only able to
latch onto this one small error in my original post. But I seldom use
spraypaint for anything, so I suppose I have some small excuse for my
ignorance. Pray tell, what's yours?
Rat6666
> How about BUYING your own freight cars?
> Or would spray-painting your OWN property
> take all the fun out of it??? :O(
>
> Stan
Absolutely takes ALL the fun and intention out of it. Graffiti quickly
and simply turns into art when it is permitted or encouraged. If it's
not illegal, then it can't be considered graffiti. Art is art, graffiti
is graffiti. Sometimes the end product of graffiti looks like art, but
it's still illegal and isn't technically art (because art is not
inherently illegal).
And who's gonna pay for the engine to drag your scrap car down the
tracks across the country on your maiden "FAME TOUR?" Otherwise it would
sit in your backyard and only your houseguests would see it.
You can't stop the bumrush. But your suggestions will be considered.
~rat
Rat6666
> Uh, pop songs not protected by copyright are
> in the public domain, not boxcars owned by
> railroads with their reporting marks on the
> side... You're using psycho-babble to rationalize
That is my point exactly. I suppose you did not realize the irony in my
statment. Rail cars are not in the public domain, but most lowlife
"vandals" think they are. And I have never tried to rationalize my
vandalism, or that of others.
One more thing: Why are my words automatically psychobabble? I went back
and reread what I wrote last night, I understood every single word. YOU
obviously understood every word, hence your reply. So why would you call
it pschobabble? I want an honest answer backing up your words. But I
probably won't get it because you can't back it up. Define psychobabble
also. I want to know if you even understand its meaning.
Ahh, what the hell am I trying to prove. Your opinions are so deeply
imbedded in your meager brain that arguing won't do any good.
I lose!!! I am a worthless, no-good parasite sucking the lifeblood from
the back of humanity. I have no life skills although I am what you may
call "privileged," I have never had a job and never will. I have no idea
how the "real" world works (is there such thing as a fake world?). I
have no clue. COME AND EXPLOIT ME!!!!!!!!!! I'm right here, waiting for
the fangs of the "real world" to come and tear into my tender, virgin
flesh of inexperience. I have never done anything worthwhile in my life
and see my life facing a dead end. I have no friends. I have no
potential. And all this just because you said so.
Why don't you just go visit my homepage to check out the real deal,
because I don't feel like expounding on what has already been written at
this link: http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy
good night,
~rat
P.S. - No matter what happens, I still love you. But you make me sick.
Rat6666
Me? Too lazy to climb? Hahahahaha! I've scaled many a billboard and
rooftop. I won't get into details. If it's up there and vulnerable, it
can be painted. There is very little I can't climb.
But still, why would I want to paint the ends?
*I* don't paint over numbers and stats. Many others do, and I wish they
wouldn't because that causes lots of trouble for yard workers trying to
get their job done in a timely fashion.
Why do you think I have no job? "Why don't you get a job, you spend so
much time in here worrying about bullsh*t, there is NO WAY you have time
for a job!" Ha.
I don't feel like arguing. You all win. I am worthless. I lose. I quit.
I am a quitter.
Good night,
~rat
Rat6666
>
> A clue I already have. You obviously don't because you were only able to
> latch onto this one small error in my original post. But I seldom use
> spraypaint for anything, so I suppose I have some small excuse for my
> ignorance. Pray tell, what's yours?
What is my excuse for ignorance of WHAT? My ignorance that there are
actually people out there that occasionally make mistakes? Oops, yes I
suppose I forgot there are people out there less intelligent than me. I
am sorry if I offended you by picking on ("latching onto") your blatant
error. I should be more careful next time.
love,
~rat
Rat6666
> > No, actually what makes me sick is that people like you already control
> the country. And what is even worse is that people like me LET you
> >
> >
> Now you're going to feed us the crap that
> you're making a political statement, right?
No. I have no political agenda at all. I am not old enough to make a
difference (i.e. vote).
> It's been long-known amongst crinimologists that
> haven't succumbed to the latets wave of PC
> psycho-babble that petty criminals are typically
> characertized by low IQ and immaturity. Guess
> your mama didn't slap you hard enough the first
> time she caught you writing on the wall with crayons.
>
> Now PLEASE grow up and leave the adults alone.
>
> Stan
My IQ is 144 and I am very mature. I am not your typical petty criminal.
I've never used crayons. And my mom doesn't even know I do this. I am
intelligent enough to be able to cover up my tracks and lie my way out
of any situation which may come up.
If you knew me as a person you would find all your statements wrong. But
I don't have to prove that to you.
J Stryker
>who has nothing to offer. As screwed up as people
>may be in this country, they are not about to allow
>an infantile vandal like you run the show
Actually i am not a vandal. I am just somebody that don't like bigots and
hatemongers.
And I love the railroad, its been in the family for 100 years.
Maybe you can explain why you insist on attacking on ground that have nothing
to do with the subject matter. I am not infantile nor irrational, nor do i
destroy things needlessly.
And I am truly sorry you don't like my inter-net provider, but then you don't
have to use it, so why make a big deal out of those things. You may not like
my opinion, that is your right and even I wouldn't let anyone take it away from
you. Let me exercise my freedom of speech as well.
Regards