But is it art???? A continuing discussion of what art is in our society.
debby
wants to put together a citizens committee on weather or not paintings
should go up there instead of letting the museum descide. The painting
in question is "The Last Supper". In it everyone is african american
except for Judas Iscariot who is white. Jesus is depicted as a naked
black woman with large breasts. The idea of the painting is supposed to
be, I heard, the white man being a traitor to the black man and his
culture. Judas is the only one looking at "Jesus" and smiling. The smile
of the traitor. Now I don't like the idea of the painting but it has a
right to be up there and that is what I think. I don't think the
Brooklyn Museum needs a citizens commettee to tell it what it can and
what it can't put up. WABC has been howling about this all morning so I
thought I would put this up for discussion. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net> By the way there is no shit in this one unless you
mean the idea behind the painting. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
XQoozeMe
fucked. Whites are too afraid to say shit. This will always get worse.
I noticed how the "artist" has store-bought hair. I guess she' feel silly with
her own hair.
worker
You obviously haven't seen the picture, and haven't read what the
artist herself has to say about the picture in question.
worker
debby wrote:
>
debby
picture???? I can only say what I have heard. You didn't really say
anything about what you thought about the piece. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
the artist lives in Scarsdale. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
Babybuxom
nobody says a word BUT just imagine if the painting was about MLK being butt
fucked>>
Your analogy makes no sense.
The artist was conveying the betrayal of the Black race. The Black woman was
betrayed in the same way that Jesus was betrayed. There was nothing derogatory
or obscene about this.
Art is in the eye of the beholder.
worker
I haven't seen it in the flesh but the artist's comments are
on record.
If I find a URL for the picture alone I will post it.
So far, no luck :-(
The fact of the matter is that Mayor G isn't offended by
Jesus being portrayed as a black woman, he's offended because
it's "anti-Catholic". He's playing to his local constituency
and trying to pretend he's morally outraged. The piece is also
"anti-Protestant" but for some reason Mayor G doesn't find that
worth mentioning. For obvious reasons he doesn't find the piece
"anti-Jewish".
The piece is good but the controversy is overblown.
worker
debby wrote:
Paul Wesley Dunn
>The artist was conveying the betrayal of the Black race. The Black woman was
>betrayed in the same way that Jesus was betrayed. There was nothing derogatory
>or obscene about this.
>Art is in the eye of the beholder.
Translation: I have no idea what I'm babbling about , but by golly I
swallow ANYthing in the art world to appear sophisticated and
politically correct.
Spite-Envy-Class Warfare The Unholy Cry of Defeated Socialists
XQoozeMe
XQoozeMe
been around. Poppa was a rollinn stone.....wherever he layed his hat was his
home.And when he dies all he left us was alone.
She's a pig and a coward.
George
Talkin Horse
right to exert some control over what goes on display. This isn't
censorship; it's just a downside of having artists -- or anything else --
receiving public funds. For this reason, I have mixed feelings about public
funding of the arts. In a more ideal world, the money would come from
enthusiastic individuals rather than politicians. Then it wouldn't matter
whether the politicians approved or not.
Cuutegall
artist herself has to say about the picture in question.>>
True. If anyone has a closed mind, dont view the photo
Cuutegall
it's "anti-Catholic".>>
WHY is it anti-Catholic?
From my understanding, it compares Black women to Jesus
terra incognita
wrote:
In any question of racism, sexism or predjudice of any kind, simply
reverse all the races and sexes around.
Reverse scenario: All the apostles are white and Judas is black = white
racism. (The NAACP calls Jesse Jackson and the media.)
The apostles are all black women and Judas is a white woman...
The apostles are all white women and Judas is a black man...
etc. ad nauseum.
Reality: the last supper party was, if the gospel is to be believed,
composed exclusively of Jewish men. They were not even Christians and
(the Apostle?) Paul was not in attendance.
I am content with the more famous DaVinci reproductions. By stirring up
a feigned outrage Guliani (sp?) is doing what fundamentalist demogogues
do in the Bible belt - playing to the predjudice of his audience.
How shameful!
x
terra incognita
<"davidN0$P&Mrolfe"@earthlink.net> wrote:
Of all the industrialized nations, the United States is the most
parsiminous in support of the arts. Ninty-nine point nine percent of
the art supported by taxes is non-controversial. (But you will never
hear that on Fox News!)
It sickens me when our politicians and certain slanted media
organizations are so conspicuously dishonest.
x
tscottme
failed artists were so interested in artistic freedom, they wouldn't beg
the government for money to offend the taxpayers.
debby
woman did this painting although I still don't know her name. I haven't found yet a
picture of the painting, but they are still all talking about it on WABC. Gulliani
wants a citizens committee for decency but who decides what is decent and what is
not???? What are the criteriors we should put on such "experts". Different people
have different conceptions of decency. Tax dollars go for the Brooklyn Museum, so
that is what all the fuss is about. Should we have no tax dollars go for art???? If
we do we get rid of alot of things that are benificial to our society. Should we go
online and vote??? What about people that don't have computers????? What about
freedom of artistic expression??? How far should it go???? As a society we are
constantly at war with each other and ourselves over this issue. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
sensationalism. If they had said nothing the Brooklyn Museum would have just had
it's show, a few people would have gone to see it and it would have been
forgotten. Becuse Gulliani makes such a big issue out of it, it's all over the
news. This story around here is almost as big as the Iraq war. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
Gentiles. Jesus was jewish. Jesus was in the process of trying to reform
the Jewish religion. He was attracting people to his ideas that were not
Jewish but still were his followers. I am not sure which apostles were
jewish and which weren't . I don't know my bible that well. Anyway the
"Jesus" sect. (the followers of jesus) were considered jewish till Paul
wrote his famous letter to the Corinthians telling them he thought every
man had to be curcumsized to be jewish. Since most non jewish men didn't
want to do this and understandably so, because that hurts!!! the Christian
religion was founded and broke off from the Jews. As far as that
paintings political ideas go, it was ment to be politically sensitive and
was also, I understand a statement that Men sell women out on the idea of
abortion, especially white politicians. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
XQoozeMe
offensive but hey, who am I?
Maybe one day the "artist" will paint a young girl's female circumcision in
Africa.
George <----- trying to chill (thanks J )
debby
always people telling us what we should look at, read, write etc. For instance
they won't sell a Playboy in a supermarket but they will have a naked woman on
the front of Cosmopolotan Go figure. They have nudes in art but god forbid
if you try to get married in a nudist camp as a nudist, like at Hedonism.
Everyone wants to put in their two cents weather they put their tax dollars
into it or not. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net> Then again there is the naked
body as art. If someone is fully tattoed. Is that art. Do they have to put on
clothes to walk down the street or is the putting on of clothes an invasion of
the freedom of expression????? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
<ka...@snowcrest.net> dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the
following steaming pile:
>
>It sickens me when our politicians and certain slanted media
>organizations are so conspicuously dishonest.
>
>x
You mean, like, every day?
--
V.G.
(This sig file contains not less than 80% recycled SPAM)
"If you do just one thing, you've done something." - Land Rover advertising slogan
Babybuxom
swallow ANYthing in the art world to appear sophisticated and
politically correct.>>
Translation: YOU have no idea what I am talking about
Syndy1954
Gentiles>>
There was only ONE Apostle that was not Jewish and that was Luke. All the rest
were Jewish, as was Paul (who never met Jesus)
Labrea
says...
--
Hollywood Liberal Elitists Association
Dog3
"Labrea" <NOSPAMscht...@zdnetmal.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.14f901f45...@news.earthlink.net...
I don't think the feds fund much art in the USA. I may be wrong
here but the last discussion we had on this issue the US funded
about 98 Grand a year. Or maybe it was 980 Grand a year. I'm
much too lazy to look it up. It was peanuts.
Michael
terra incognita
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:33:47 -0800, terra incognita
> <ka...@snowcrest.net> dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the
> following steaming pile:
>
> >
> >It sickens me when our politicians and certain slanted media
> >organizations are so conspicuously dishonest.
> >
> >x
>
> You mean, like, every day?
> --
> V.G.
If you mean Fox News, yes, everyday. (Do you feel an overwhelming need
to be abusive to perfect strangers? You can get help for that
condition.)
:)
x
terra incognita
<NOSPAMscht...@zdnetmal.com> wrote:
> I like the way you think, Terra....
But I am still waiting for my "Hollywood Elitist Association"
membership card and organic hemp T-shirt!
:)
x
terra incognita
<do...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I don't think the feds fund much art in the USA. I may be wrong
> here but the last discussion we had on this issue the US funded
> about 98 Grand a year. Or maybe it was 980 Grand a year. I'm
> much too lazy to look it up. It was peanuts.
>
> Michael
And we are all the poorer for it. Art enriches the world around us. It
improves our emotional standard of living.
x
debby
debby
figure that one out.... Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
of Jesus. Besides he must have known Jesus. He himself said that he did. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
in freedom of expression. I don't think this picture is worth making a fuss over.
Confederate flags don't bother me either and if someone wanted to make a picture
of curcumsision no matter how yucky it may be, so what??? There is a difference
between the art and the actual deed it may or may not signify. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
XQoozeMe
>Well, maybe you can get on Gulliani's council. Go for it.
I can't, i moved to florida.
>Listen, I just believe
>in freedom of expression.
Me too, no question
> I don't think this picture is worth making a fuss over.
I hope "certain communities" will take your tolerant view (which is good) when
one of their ox's are gored.
>Confederate flags don't bother me either
Some people are making a huge fuss about them (I never said they bothered you
Deb)
>and if someone wanted to make a picture
>of curcumsision no matter how yucky it may be, so what???
That's da ting woman, they don't. Would you approve of a picture of your
grandmother raped in a Bukkake movie?
Of course not.Why should your TAX DOLLARS SUPPORT THAT.
>There is a difference
>between the art and the actual deed
wHY IS KIDDIE-PORN ILLEGAL THEN?
>it may or may not signify.
I agree with you in some cases Debby, but not this issue. Why is art a sacred
cow? I can take a steamy shit on a statue of MLK and call it art.ya think
Sharpton would stay silent? Be real. Oh well, it's fun to discuss.
George
Glen Quarnstrom
>In article <ag2u8tkbjb8ctdl1n...@4ax.com>, Monkey Boy
><vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:33:47 -0800, terra incognita
>> <ka...@snowcrest.net> dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the
>> following steaming pile:
>>
>> >
>> >It sickens me when our politicians and certain slanted media
>> >organizations are so conspicuously dishonest.
>> You mean, like, every day?
>If you mean Fox News, yes, everyday. (Do you feel an overwhelming need
>to be abusive to perfect strangers? You can get help for that
>condition.)
You're new here, aren't you?
--
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
>In article <ag2u8tkbjb8ctdl1n...@4ax.com>, Monkey Boy
><vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:33:47 -0800, terra incognita
>> <ka...@snowcrest.net> dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the
>> following steaming pile:
>>
>> >
>> >It sickens me when our politicians and certain slanted media
>> >organizations are so conspicuously dishonest.
>> >
>> >x
>>
>> You mean, like, every day?
>> --
>> V.G.
>
>If you mean Fox News, yes, everyday. (Do you feel an overwhelming need
>to be abusive to perfect strangers? You can get help for that
>condition.)
>
>:)
>
>x
Don't flatter yourself. You aren't perfect.
HTH.
debby
what isn't. Now you are making me swallow real hard, but at kiddie porn I do draw
the line, but there are things that are considered kiddie porn by some and are
considered art by others. I can think of two examples offhand. We had quite a long
argument on alt.true-crime about this, but someone argued that if you put up the
picture of a kid it doesn't harm the child if others look upon them with sexual
desire. I mean people get hot over the strangest things. The other argument was
what if you took a picture of several children and morphed them together, would
that be considered pornographic and we had a good long argument about that.
Remember that naked picture of you on the bearskin rug when you were a child. You
know, the one when you bring a date over your mother brings it out and they koochy
koo over the picture???? In todays society it could be called kiddie porn and yes
people can be arrested over it. Years ago nobody even thought twice about it.
Today the cops come banging at your door. I don't want to see a film about my
mother being raped, but they made the movie Shindlers List and although it didn't
really show rape, it showed some pretty unpleasant things and some of the people
depicted had grandchildren. You say you don't want to pay taxpayer dollars to see
unpleasant things I say you have to to understand why it is a bad thing or a good
thing. Let the people decide. By the way "art" isn't just a painting or a
photograph. It's any form of artistic expression wheather you understand it or
not. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
Talkin Horse
taboos seem arbitrary under analysis. I think we need a set of rules, even if some
of those rules seem stupid, to give us structure. Without that structure we
degenerate into brute animals, capable of no greater plan than pursuit of the next
act of gratification. But with too rigid a structure, we become slaves. So the
question we're implicitly debating is, how flexible should our culture be? Who
defines a "violation", and what is the penalty? There's not a simple answer to
that.
Talkin Horse
> I don't think the feds fund much art in the USA. I may be wrong
> here but the last discussion we had on this issue the US funded
> about 98 Grand a year. Or maybe it was 980 Grand a year. I'm
> much too lazy to look it up. It was peanuts.
I'm curious what the numbers are. You're probably talking about the
National Endowment for the Arts. But who funds the New York museums?
Presumably city money is going into it; otherwise what basis would the
city have for getting involved? How much? It takes big bucks to run an
operation of that size. I think there are many sources of funds: public
(Federal, state, local), private (various philanthropic organizations
and wealthy donors). The institute board of directors are presumably
bureaucratic animals with a skill of schmoozing. They struggle to walk
that fine line between keeping fund givers happy while doing what they
want to do.
Labrea
says...
Center in Hollywood to get your shirt......
debby
this one case I don't think you need a citizens decency committee to decide what to do
with the picture. If people don't want to see it they don't have to go to the Brooklyn
Museum to see it. They don't have to donate any money to the Museum. City funds help,
but they just don't run only on tax dollars. Don't support the things you don't like
but don't bitch and wine about it. As with t.v. and books. Don't support the
advertizers. Don't buy the books. Don't frequent the stores that sell them. Don't go
around telling everyone what to look at. Be an adult. Use the power of your own
judgement and let others use theirs. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
XQoozeMe wrote:
> NYPOSTONLINE.com
>
> >From: debby sarg...@infi.net
>
> >
> >Do you know a link where I can see a picture of the artist???? All I know is
> >that
> >the artist lives in Scarsdale. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
> >
> >XQoozeMe wrote:
> >
> >> nobody says a word BUT just imagine if the painting was about MLK being
> >butt
> >> fucked. Whites are too afraid to say shit. This will always get worse.
> >> I noticed how the "artist" has store-bought hair. I guess she' feel silly
> >with
> >> her own hair.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
debby
great body and it is a beautiful picture. What is this thing people have about
the naked body anyway. It seems like nobody can act like an adult. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net> wondering what people would do if they had the statue of
David in New York......
debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net> who saw nothing wrong with it either.
Paul Wesley Dunn wrote:
> On 17 Feb 2001 00:19:47 GMT, baby...@aol.com (Babybuxom) wrote:
>
> >The artist was conveying the betrayal of the Black race. The Black woman was
> >betrayed in the same way that Jesus was betrayed. There was nothing derogatory
> >or obscene about this.
> >Art is in the eye of the beholder.
> Translation: I have no idea what I'm babbling about , but by golly I
> swallow ANYthing in the art world to appear sophisticated and
> politically correct.
>
> Spite-Envy-Class Warfare The Unholy Cry of Defeated Socialists
honey west
> Actually this is not true. The Apostles were not Jewish. They were
> Gentiles. Jesus was jewish. Jesus was in the process of trying to reform
> the Jewish religion. He was attracting people to his ideas that were not
> Jewish but still were his followers. I am not sure which apostles were
> jewish and which weren't . I don't know my bible that well. Anyway the
> "Jesus" sect. (the followers of jesus) were considered jewish till Paul
> wrote his famous letter to the Corinthians telling them he thought every
> man had to be curcumsized to be jewish. Since most non jewish men didn't
> want to do this and understandably so, because that hurts!!! the Christian
> religion was founded and broke off from the Jews. As far as that
I respectfully suggest you research, read, and talk to Jews regarding this
very odd and wrong idea you have concerning the "Jewishness" of the apostles,
etc. You admit you don't know the "bible" well (bible=christian old and new
testament) yet seem to have this idea that the apostles were not "Jewish."
OY.
>
> paintings political ideas go, it was ment to be politically sensitive and
> was also, I understand a statement that Men sell women out on the idea of
> abortion, especially white politicians. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
>
> terra incognita wrote:
>
> > In article <3A8DCC7A...@beehive.net>, worker <wor...@beehive.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I've seen the pic at CNN and the New York Times website.
> > > I haven't seen it in the flesh but the artist's comments are
> > > on record.
> > >
> > > If I find a URL for the picture alone I will post it.
> > > So far, no luck :-(
> > >
> > > The fact of the matter is that Mayor G isn't offended by
> > > Jesus being portrayed as a black woman, he's offended because
> > > it's "anti-Catholic". He's playing to his local constituency
> > > and trying to pretend he's morally outraged. The piece is also
> > > "anti-Protestant" but for some reason Mayor G doesn't find that
> > > worth mentioning. For obvious reasons he doesn't find the piece
> > > "anti-Jewish".
> > >
> > > The piece is good but the controversy is overblown.
> > >
> > > worker
> >
> > In any question of racism, sexism or predjudice of any kind, simply
> > reverse all the races and sexes around.
> >
> > Reverse scenario: All the apostles are white and Judas is black = white
> > racism. (The NAACP calls Jesse Jackson and the media.)
> >
> > The apostles are all black women and Judas is a white woman...
> > The apostles are all white women and Judas is a black man...
> >
> > etc. ad nauseum.
> >
> > Reality: the last supper party was, if the gospel is to be believed,
> > composed exclusively of Jewish men. They were not even Christians and
> > (the Apostle?) Paul was not in attendance.
> >
> > I am content with the more famous DaVinci reproductions. By stirring up
> > a feigned outrage Guliani (sp?) is doing what fundamentalist demogogues
> > do in the Bible belt - playing to the predjudice of his audience.
> >
> > How shameful!
> >
> > x
debby
Babybuxom wrote:
> <<
> nobody says a word BUT just imagine if the painting was about MLK being butt
> fucked>>
>
> Your analogy makes no sense.
XQoozeMe
As you say art IS in the eye of the beholder...no? Maybe she'll do a picture of
the MANY black men who betray their black women. All I'm saying is ... let's be
fair. Just my two pennies.
George
XQoozeMe
out that Asian babe!"
Debby: She was slapping America's face while mocking Christianity. Let's see
her be "big and brave" and mock the African Kings who sold her people or
Muslims...see what happens.
That's just my take on it. I may even be right......who knows?
>From: debby sarg...@infi.net
Talkin Horse
> ...Be an adult...
What a radical notion. You got some dangerous ideas there, debby!
terra incognita
Carroll1429
jackson, and al sharpton? i'd like to commission that one...
Carroll1429
leonard jeffries, football williams, and maxine waters, not to mention charlie
the red rangel and adam clayton powell, and muhammad ali???????
Carroll1429
by minorities?
debby
debby
thinks we all have the potential if we just try.
debby
online but all I got was that Al Sharpton agrees with me:) What company!!!!
debby
debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net> The rest is true in my opinion however.
XQoozeMe
it's kinda sad. Just my two pennies.
XQoozeMe
Bye bye Miss No Body. hahahaha
Did this stupid idiot think she's a true artist? Yawn. her 15 minutes are up.
Luv George
Nancy Rudins
|> Well, actually I was corrected. Only Luke was not Jewish. Debby
|> S.<sarg...@infi.net> The rest is true in my opinion however.
|>
He wasn't one of the twelve Apostles, either.
Kind regards,
Nancy
--
I'm taking the time for a number of things that weren't important yesterday.
Nancy Rudins nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/nrudins/
debby
12???? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net> Lets see. Peter, Paul, Siemon,
Judas,Thomas, who were the rest???? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
terra incognita
<nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> In article <3A91D13A...@infi.net>, debby <sarg...@infi.net> writes:
> |> Well, actually I was corrected. Only Luke was not Jewish. Debby
> |> S.<sarg...@infi.net> The rest is true in my opinion however.
> |>
>
> He wasn't one of the twelve Apostles, either.
>
> Kind regards,
> Nancy
Strictly speaking, Paul wasn't a Jew either.
x
terra incognita
"Maggots?"
Clearly you find the *idea* of this painting 'blasphemous and racist.'
But have you actually seen it? Or are you getting exercised over
something you have never actually seen?
Are you against freedom of speech? Or against just that speech you
personally find 'blasphemous and racist?'
The painting *sounds* vulgar and stupid to me too. It sounds as if the
"artist" is one of those hacks who must compensate for his lack of
talent by the obvious attention grabbing ploy of presenting something
calculated to outrage. (Naturally, the press cooperates.)
But are you willing to give up a principle as important as freedom of
speech simply to silence an insignificant twerp with a paintbrush?
As I recall, Roman emperors tried to silence the "outrageous" speech of
Christian apostles.
I do not think, when your justifiable anger cools, you will want to
throw the baby out with the bath water.
x
In article <uwXAjcGmAHA.341@cpmsnbbsa09>, Zastrugus
<Zast...@Abyss.com> wrote:
> There is no discussion necessary. This is vile blasphemy and racism.
> I wonder if I had a picture depicting Martin Luther King being lynched and
> titled it
> "the way things should have been" whether I would be defended by the
> "Freedom of Speech"
> Maggots.
Nancy Rudins
|> Luke wasn't one of the origional 12 apostles???? Who were the origional
|> 12???? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net> Lets see. Peter, Paul, Siemon,
|> Judas,Thomas, who were the rest???? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
|>
Peter
Andrew
James (son of Zebedee)
John
Phillip
Bartholomew
Thomas
Matthew
James (son of Alphaeus)
Thaddeus
Simon
Judas (later replaced by Paul)
Nancy Rudins
He was a Pharasee (please forgive my mangled spelling). It's
my understanding that he was from an upper-class Jewish family
with a dual Roman citizenship available to wealthy Jews.
By the way, has anyone else seen the painting "The Last
Pancake Breakfast" currently on display at the Chicago
Athenaeum Museum?
Cap'n TrVth
"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:z7Qk6.3776$dL4....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu...
> By the way, has anyone else seen the painting "The Last
> Pancake Breakfast" currently on display at the Chicago
> Athenaeum Museum?
>
> Kind regards,
> Nancy
No, did you see it in person?
If not, is there a link where it can be seen? I did a search and found
nothing.
Nancy Rudins
|>
|> "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
|> news:z7Qk6.3776$dL4....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu...
|>
|>
|>
|> > By the way, has anyone else seen the painting "The Last
|> > Pancake Breakfast" currently on display at the Chicago
|> > Athenaeum Museum?
|> >
|> > Kind regards,
|> > Nancy
|>
|>
|> No, did you see it in person?
|>
Yes, along with other works by the artist, Dick Detzner.
|> If not, is there a link where it can be seen? I did a search and found
|> nothing.
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It can be viewed at the artist's home page:
http://www.detzner.com/
Click on the button titled "Corporate Sacrilege" and then click on
the top left icon of a painting.
It really should be seen in person; the on-line version does it
no justice. It's a spoof of DaVinci's "Last Supper" with
Mrs. Butterworth as Jesus and includes Captain Crunch as
Judas, Tony the Tiger, Aunt Jemima, Snap, Crackle, and Pop
among the Apostles.
Labrea
nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu says...
> In article <6TRk6.1977$IV6.1...@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "Cap'n TrVth" <fabio...@hotmail.com> writes:
> |>
> |> "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> |> news:z7Qk6.3776$dL4....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu...
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |> > By the way, has anyone else seen the painting "The Last
> |> > Pancake Breakfast" currently on display at the Chicago
> |> > Athenaeum Museum?
> |> >
> |> > Kind regards,
> |> > Nancy
> |>
> |>
> |> No, did you see it in person?
> |>
>
> Yes, along with other works by the artist, Dick Detzner.
>
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debby
proud of herself and has a good self image. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
when they tried to put the Bible on the CD rom inside the Cherios box. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
love the best, the kind you have to think about. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net> My favorite was Jesus
on the Wheeties box.
debby
debby
Cap'n TrVth
"debby" <sarg...@infi.net> wrote in message
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> Dear Nancy: I loved this link. I loved the art, and it bothered me too,
which is the kind of art I
> love the best, the kind you have to think about
No thinking here... -Just Belly Laughs
Nancy Rudins
> Dear Nancy: I loved this link. I loved the art, and it bothered me too, which is the kind of art I
>
The entire "Corporate Sacrilege" collection is on display at
the Chicago Athenaeum Museum. It's quite a collection. I,
too, liked the "Jesus on the Wheaties box."
Kind regards,
Nancy
Nancy Rudins
> Thank you very much. How many do you think were jewish???? Debby
> S.<sarg...@infi.net>
>
All of them were. They observed Jewish customs not observed
by the Romans. The Last Supper was the Passover.
Kind regards,
Nancy
debby
did you find this?????? I wish I could find sites like that. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
Ed
> That has to be one of the tackiest sites I have ever seen:) How in the
world
> did you find this?????? I wish I could find sites like that. Debby
> S.<sarg...@infi.net>
>
You put the Tu-tu on Jesus didn't you Debbie. ;>
Clave
> That has to be one of the tackiest sites I have ever seen:) How in the
world
> did you find this?????? I wish I could find sites like that. Debby
> S.<sarg...@infi.net>
You'll love this one then.
http://www.alpha-net.ne.jp/users2/chack/kmakikai.html
The word at the lower right is forward, lower left is backward.
Jim
h8libs
tripe. I prefer not seeing my tax dollars going to it.
--
"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a
revolutionary act." (George Orwell)
"terra incognita" <ka...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:210220010555248339%ka...@snowcrest.net...
debby
the pictures and don't care. If you feel this way, however, write you congress
person and let them know how you feel and don't go to the show. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the following steaming pile:
>That is true. There are others however who want to use their tax dollars for
>the pictures and don't care. If you feel this way, however, write you congress
>person and let them know how you feel and don't go to the show. Debby
>S.<sarg...@infi.net>
I wish there were some way to designate every damn one of MY tax
dollars to go towards the purchase of cruise missiles to shoot at
rag-heads. Not that I could ever pay for a whole one, or anything,
but maybe a couple of the tail fins, or some fuel, or something.
If we ever have to shoot any at Paris or Quebec, I want in on those,
too.
--
V.G.
(This sig file contains not less than 80% recycled SPAM)
"If you do just one thing, you've done something." - Land Rover advertising slogan
Paul W. Dunn
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:25:20 -0500, debby <sarg...@infi.net> dropped
>trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the following steaming pile:
>
>>That is true. There are others however who want to use their tax dollars for
>>the pictures and don't care. If you feel this way, however, write you congress
>>person and let them know how you feel and don't go to the show. Debby
>>S.<sarg...@infi.net>
>
>I wish there were some way to designate every damn one of MY tax
>dollars to go towards the purchase of cruise missiles to shoot at
>rag-heads. Not that I could ever pay for a whole one, or anything,
>but maybe a couple of the tail fins, or some fuel, or something.
>
>If we ever have to shoot any at Paris or Quebec, I want in on those,
>too.
>--
I love you Monkey Boy, But not in a Tim Hill/Warthog Way.
Zastrugus (Keeper of the Leaden Key)
I like your posts and I feel that you are one of the "Good Guys".
With that said, you did something that even the people that I agree with are
constantly doing and it drives me crazy. You stated that the point of the
argument is not the painting. BUT IT IS. Of course, the government should
not pay for it, but as clear thinking, decent people with common sense..We
should NOT be afraid to tell the truth.
This painting is vulgar and blasphemous and SHOULD NOT be allowed to be
displayed publicly, in any case.
"h8libs" <h8l...@therightwing.com> wrote in message
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debby
Zastrugus (Keeper of the Leaden Key)
Based on the premise that you are serious, I will answer
your question. "Freedom of Speech" IS a right and blessing in this country,
BUT, it has to be tempered with common sense.
I am sure that you agree that you should not be able to yell "fire" in
a crowded theater.
I feel that common sense tells me that nazis should NOT have the right to
spread their filth. While that is an extreme, the case in question is not...
ANYONE with common sense can see that this is an intended insult
and it IS Blasphemous. IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
Common sense should be our guide. And don't even bother with
the standard liberal crap about who decides what common sense is.
If anyone truly does not know, then then are morons.
"terra incognita" <ka...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:210220010555248339%ka...@snowcrest.net...
debby
would want all my tax dollars to go to NASA and Seti.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the following steaming pile:
>I love his mind:) Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
You can love the rest of me for $5. I'll even loan you the money, if
you need it.
--
debby
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the following steaming pile:
> Monkey boy do you know where there are any abandoned missle silos???? Debby
>S.<sarg...@infi.net>
>
Nebraska, Montana, North Dakota. How many do you need? Are you
looking to buy one, or are you just trying to find an appropriate
place for a tryst? There are some things for which concrete is just
no damn good at all.
terra incognita
<Zast...@Abyss.com> wrote:
> h8libs,
> I like your posts and I feel that you are one of the "Good Guys".
> With that said, you did something that even the people that I agree with are
> constantly doing and it drives me crazy. You stated that the point of the
> argument is not the painting. BUT IT IS. Of course, the government should
> not pay for it, but as clear thinking, decent people with common sense..We
> should NOT be afraid to tell the truth.
> This painting is vulgar and blasphemous and SHOULD NOT be allowed to be
> displayed publicly, in any case.
So you believe in censorship based on your particular tastes? Is that
correct?
x
terra incognita
<Zast...@Abyss.com> wrote:
> NEVER presume to tell me what I think!
> Based on the premise that you are serious, I will answer
> your question. "Freedom of Speech" IS a right and blessing in this country,
> BUT, it has to be tempered with common sense.
> I am sure that you agree that you should not be able to yell "fire" in
> a crowded theater.
> I feel that common sense tells me that nazis should NOT have the right to
> spread their filth. While that is an extreme, the case in question is not...
> ANYONE with common sense can see that this is an intended insult
> and it IS Blasphemous. IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
> Common sense should be our guide. And don't even bother with
> the standard liberal crap about who decides what common sense is.
> If anyone truly does not know, then then are morons.
How authoritarian of you! I do not like Nazis either, so lets stop them
from speaking or parading or anything else. I also do not like
anti-science fundamentalist loonies - so we will have to tell them to
shut up too. Lets see, who else? We will definately have to shut up the
whole Christian Coalition, operation rescue, the CATO Institute, Rush
Limbaugh...
I am sure you understand!
Sarcasm mode off.
What you call "blasphemy" is a matter of complete indifference to me.
But my "common sense" tells me that people like you are a danger to the
civil rights of everyone you personally disagree with. That much is
obvious.
x
debby
debby
could blow up. Come to think of it you could power the Calif. electric companies
that way......:) Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
too.....:) Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
terra incognita
<h8l...@therightwing.com> wrote:
> The point of the argument is not the painting but federal funding of such
> tripe. I prefer not seeing my tax dollars going to it.
>
> --
The NEA's entire budget amounts to about two postage stamps per
American per year. The bulk of this tiny pittance is spent funding what
can only be described as "conventional" art. But every single exception
is greedily leaped upon by right-wing media pundits and reported with
lurid headlines calculated to illicit kneejerk outrage by religious
zealots.
And on cue, the professional moralcrats start salvating like Pavolov's
pooch!
Of course, the whole dog and pony show is designed to distract public
attention from the scandalous boondoggles, running in the billions of
dollars, perpetrated by the defence industry and their hired guns in
congress.
The fact that you single out the miniscule budget for the NEA as the
focus of your tantrum strikes me as blatantly disingenuous.
That anyone still falls for this Pavlovian sillyness is always a source
of amazment to me. How long will it be before another manufactured
"flag burning crisis" will produce a predictable spasm of jingoistic
hysteria?
x
Clave
<...>
> So you believe in censorship based on your particular tastes? Is
> that correct?
Personally, I have no taste at all, and therefore believe in no censorship at
all.
Jim
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OK, slightly salty, from what I'm told