=======> McKook is no hero — after all, he started the USS Forrestal fire which killed 132 people! <=======
ChasNemo
How long will rightards give John McCain a free pass for starting the
Forrestal carrier fire in 1967 which left 132 people dead?!
JSM
For Criss Sake, I don't care for McCain but this whole thing is Bull
Shit!!!!
Capri
John McCain was a pilot on the ship and he MIGHT
have done something improperly and this constitutes proof to you that
he started the fire which
killed 132 people.....fucking idiot
That's like saying you were in Dallas on the day that John Kennedy was
shot and you might
have been carrying a rifle around, therefore YOU killed him
John R. Carroll
> On Aug 9, 9:37 pm, ChasNemo <chasn...@aol.com> wrote:
>> http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
>>
>> How long will rightards give John McCain a free pass for starting the
>> Forrestal carrier fire in 1967 which left 132 people dead?!
>
> John McCain was a pilot on the ship and he MIGHT
> have done something improperly
He wet started his jet.
There isn't anything "MIGHT" about that impropriety.
He set fire to the ordnance on deck behind him.
BOOM!
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Grendel
Bullshit website.
It claims that "McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to
shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane."
The only problem with that is that if you were to check out the
original film footage, for an aircraft to be behind McCains A-4E
Skyhawk, it would have to have been levitating off the port side of
the aircraft carrier, as McCain's A-4E was positioned aft of the #4
elevator on the aft side of the ship with its tail out over the side
(which is a typical arrangement on an aircraf carrier). You'll also
notice that the A-4E was struck on the SIDE of the belly tank...not
the rear.
Try checking your facts sometime.
Irrational hatred for McCain noted.
But, hey, if you subscribe to the "I saw it on a website so it MUST be
true" philosophy, here's a few more.
http://www.bfro.net (proves existence of Bigfoot)
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/chemtrailsworld.htm
(CHEMTRAILS-POISON FROM THE SKIES)
http://www.gnomeweb.com/space/elvis.html (proves Elvis was an alien).
Have a blast, there's plenty out there. The more time you spend
'researching', the less bullshit you'll spout here.
Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.
"I'm not cynical, just experienced."
Grendel
The only problem is that there was NOTHING on the deck behind him.
There wasn't even DECK behing him. His plane was positioned on the
port angled deck, aft of the #4 elevator, with his ass end pointed out
over the ocean (standard parking on deck before flight operations).
Gregory Morrow
Capri wrote:
If "Nemo" had a gun we'd hope he'd use it on HIMSELF...
As it is, he's mentally ill and so cannot get a gun permit...
--
Best
Greg
" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking
John R. Carroll
That's what the official inquiry stated. Actually it also stated that he was
on the cat for launch as well.
The only problem with either was the photographic evidence contradicted
both.
Anyway, carrier operations are dangerous and bad things happen to good
people all the time.
It's a tough go but it's tougher if you are either careless or stupid.
Grendel
<jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:
> Grendel wrote:
> > On Aug 9, 9:11 pm, "John R. Carroll"
> > <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:
> >> Capri wrote:
> >>> On Aug 9, 9:37 pm, ChasNemo <chasn...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
>
> >>>> How long will rightards give John McCain a free pass for starting
> >>>> the Forrestal carrier fire in 1967 which left 132 people dead?!
>
> >>> John McCain was a pilot on the ship and he MIGHT
> >>> have done something improperly
>
> >> He wet started his jet.
> >> There isn't anything "MIGHT" about that impropriety.
> >> He set fire to the ordnance on deck behind him.
> >> BOOM!
>
> > The only problem is that there was NOTHING on the deck behind him.
> > There wasn't even DECK behing him. His plane was positioned on the
> > port angled deck, aft of the #4 elevator, with his ass end pointed out
> > over the ocean (standard parking on deck before flight operations).
>
> That's what the official inquiry stated. Actually it also stated that he was
> on the cat for launch as well
Actually, the official inquiry stated that McCain "was waiting to
launch". That does not equate to being on the cat. There were many
pilots 'waiting to launch', and only four can be on the cats at a
time.
The inquiry also states that the firing of the MK-31 "Zuni" was
accidentally fired due to an "electrical power surge during the switch
from external power to internal power."
.
> The only problem with either was the photographic evidence contradicted
> both.
The video evidence clearly shows that McCains A-4E was lined up with
several others, all parked ass outward on the port side of the flight
deck.
> Anyway, carrier operations are dangerous and bad things happen to good
> people all the time.
Agreed, flightdecks are considered the most dangerous work environment
there is.
> It's a tough go but it's tougher if you are either careless or stupid.
Dangerous jobs tend to weed out the careless and/or the stupid.
Unfortunately, it tends to weed out people that are working near the
careless and/or stupid, also.
lc
dog" young man. But he doesn't act like a man who had his come to
Jeebus moment. The fact is he has serious contentions with POWs. Why
would an elite POW forsake fellow POW brothers? He is on tape treating
females despicably. He's known for that nasty temper and called his
own wife the c-word. What his POW war is about needs more scrutiny
because he looks like he's committing treason when he turns away as he
does. One version of the Forrestal was the weapons were too old. Much
like today in Afghanistan, as the troops are ill equipped. Maybe he
knows that fire wasn't caused by electrical surge and rotting bombs.
If I was on the Forrestal that day. And I thought it was caused by old
bombs, when becoming a Senator my top priority would be to get the
best for soldiers. McCain appears to have a big disconnect.
No one questions that he was treated "special" throughout his life.
His jerk narcissistic personality disorder attitude was formed early
from his privileges. He's had the military at his beckon call forever.
Anything bad that happened was written up like a movie script to make
him a hero or to escape being fingered. The other veterans who tell
their stories aren't rich with Pentagon connections. The wrath of
military/gov officials with clout is no match for them. The military
has always had a robust propaganda machine.
It is suspicious that the 1967 USS Forrestal tragedy has so many
versions. The "official" one is flawed. In retrospect it appears there
was a cover up. That may have been due to McCains actions or not.
He certainly could have been a "hot dog" that day and reports could
have been written to give his father the son he wanted.
What are the odds one guy would be involved in so many airplane
diasters? It's not all coincidence.
There are several reasons many conservatives and Republicans don't
like their candidate. His manufactured war stories are only one.
John McCain War Hero Or Idiot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymh3PuOc1RQ&feature=related
This is what is believed to be the last photo taken of the Forrestal
on the morning of July 29, 1967
http://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/img31.jpg
[][]
These 2 videos make you wonder...
John McCain's past that he doesnt want you to know 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeuDW1hQMfk&feature=related
John McCain's past that he doesnt want you to know 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BtWzjNLGkA&feature=related
USS Forrestal about one month after 1967 fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USS_Forrestal_about_one_month_after_1967_fire.jpg
USS Forrestal (CV-59) cost of the fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USS_Forrestal_%28CV-59%29_cost_of_the_fire.jpg
[][]
Video: John McCain and George Bush
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.royalty/msg/f503da88365f15c6
On Aug 9, 7:23 pm, Grendel <wstho...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Aug 9, 8:37 pm, ChasNemo <chasn...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
>
> > How long will rightards give John McCain a free pass for starting the
> > Forrestal carrier fire in 1967 which left 132 people dead?!
>
> Bullshit website.
>
> It claims that "McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to
> shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane."
>
> The only problem with that is that if you were to check out the
> original film footage, for an aircraft to be behind McCains A-4E
> Skyhawk, it would have to have been levitating off the port side of
> the aircraft carrier, as McCain's A-4E was positioned aft of the #4
> elevator on the aft side of the ship with its tail out over the side
> (which is a typical arrangement on an aircraf carrier). You'll also
> notice that the A-4E was struck on the SIDE of the belly tank...not
> the rear.
>
> Try checking your facts sometime.
>
> Irrational hatred for McCain noted.
>
> But, hey, if you subscribe to the "I saw it on a website so it MUST be
> true" philosophy, here's a few more.
>
> http://www.bfro.net(proves existence of Bigfoot)
>
> http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/chemtrailsworld.htm
> (CHEMTRAILS-POISON FROM THE SKIES)
>
> http://www.gnomeweb.com/space/elvis.html(proves Elvis was an alien).
tankfixer
161aab...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, chas...@aol.com says...
> http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
>
> How long will rightards give John McCain a free pass for starting the
> Forrestal carrier fire in 1967 which left 132 people dead?!
Because he didn't start the fire ?
But don't let facts get in your way there boi
--
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.
tankfixer
says...
> Grendel wrote:
> > On Aug 9, 9:11 pm, "John R. Carroll"
> > <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:
> >> Capri wrote:
> >>> On Aug 9, 9:37 pm, ChasNemo <chasn...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
> >>
> >>>> How long will rightards give John McCain a free pass for starting
> >>>> the Forrestal carrier fire in 1967 which left 132 people dead?!
> >>
> >>> John McCain was a pilot on the ship and he MIGHT
> >>> have done something improperly
> >>
> >> He wet started his jet.
> >> There isn't anything "MIGHT" about that impropriety.
> >> He set fire to the ordnance on deck behind him.
> >> BOOM!
> >
> > The only problem is that there was NOTHING on the deck behind him.
> > There wasn't even DECK behing him. His plane was positioned on the
> > port angled deck, aft of the #4 elevator, with his ass end pointed out
> > over the ocean (standard parking on deck before flight operations).
>
> That's what the official inquiry stated. Actually it also stated that he was
> on the cat for launch as well.
You know both can be true.
He would have started his engine at it's parking spot and then taxied to
the cat.
How do you think they get the jets to the cats ? tow truck ?
> The only problem with either was the photographic evidence contradicted
> both.
Really.
And ?
>
> Anyway, carrier operations are dangerous and bad things happen to good
> people all the time.
> It's a tough go but it's tougher if you are either careless or stupid.
Best you stay away from them then.
lc
not his own man.”
http://www.americablog.com/2008/08/us-marine-on-mccain-john-just-isnt-same.html
Sunday, August 10, 2008
Give McCain credit...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/c9e5abbc2555c62a
McCain's character
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/2885edc0fbdef45b
Sid9
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
news:MPG.23094ee65...@nntp.earthlink.net...
Taxiing on a flight deck NO sense.
It's got to be done with a tow bar.
ChasNemo
> "tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.23094ee65...@nntp.earthlink.net...
>
> > How do you think they get the jets to the cats ? tow truck ?
>
> Taxiing on a flight deck NO sense.
> It's got to be done with a tow bar.
True. Further, what about the other four planes that McKook crashed?
How did McKook manage to wreck five planes total?!
Grendel
> "tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.23094ee65...@nntp.earthlink.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <mYsnk.35397$ZE5.11...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>, jcarroll@ubu
Sid9 got NO brain.
> It's got to be done with a tow bar.
Damn but you're an idiot. Just can't wait to demonstrate your
ignorance.
Aircraft on a carrier ALWAYS approach the cat under their own power.
That's the way it has been since the USS Langley (CV-1).
Try doing a little research before you spout off, on how you think
things SHOULD be done (hell, try youtube). Luckily, these things are
determined by people much smarter than you (which would be just about
everybody).
Now, if you'd like, links can be provided of video of Aircraft on the
flightdeck approaching the cat under thier own power. No tow trucks
or bars. I doubt that you would equally be able to find ANY video
that shows an aircraft being TOWED to the cat.
But please, continue to demonstrate your ignorance. Or would you like
to continue to argue with someone who's actually worked on a
flightdeck? (U.S.S. Lexington, CV-16).
Yol Bolsun,
Grendel