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shavings

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Dec 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/6/00
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I'm finding that FRS is not giving the range we need and consodering
going GMRS.still want to maintain compatibility with others in teh
party that may not have GMRS.

Okay so the question goes.... does a FRS/GMRS radio transmit at 2 watts
on the FRS chanels or does it scale whne transmitting on these
channels.

Know what I mean?


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Levi

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Dec 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/6/00
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I have a Audiovox GMRS 1525 and it has 2W on all 15CH.also I have talked
2 miles from car to car.2mile in the woods and 5miles over the water.


G. M. Alf

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Dec 6, 2000, 10:07:22 PM12/6/00
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:38:38 GMT, shavings <shav...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>I'm finding that FRS is not giving the range we need and consodering
>going GMRS.still want to maintain compatibility with others in teh
>party that may not have GMRS.
>
>Okay so the question goes.... does a FRS/GMRS radio transmit at 2 watts
>on the FRS chanels or does it scale whne transmitting on these
>channels.
>
>Know what I mean?

There are no FRS/GMRS radios, only GMRS radios that operate on the
GMRS interstitial frequencies.

As far as power on the interstitials the limit is 5 watts ERP. How
much power a radio uses on those frequencies depends on the radio.
There is no need to use full power on regular GMRS frequencies either.

It appears the Cobra GMRS radio allows low (600 mW) and high (2 watts)
power to be selected on any frequency. The Pryme PR-460 has 3 power
levels that can be used on any frequency.

There was some confusion about the Audiovox power level on the
interstitial frequencies. From a review of the radio it appears to
run the same power on all frequencies, not quite 1 watt.

Ideally if you were communicating with an FRS radio on the
interstitial frequencies (FRS 1 - 7) you'd use a lower power so you
wouldn't be stomping on other FRS users you couldn't hear.

Mike

Kerry Braud

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Dec 8, 2000, 1:26:54 PM12/8/00
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Question: If you are operating a GMRS mobile radio in the FRS only (8-14)
range at greater than .5 watt, arent you in violation of FCC rules, whether
or not you have a GMRS license?
"G. M. Alf" <gm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Jack Thorpe

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Dec 8, 2000, 3:29:29 PM12/8/00
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In article <OJ9Y5.1707$x6.20...@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>,

"Kerry Braud" <kbr...@home.com> wrote:
> Question: If you are operating a GMRS mobile radio in the FRS only (8-
14)
> range at greater than .5 watt, arent you in violation of FCC rules,
whether
> or not you have a GMRS license?

Yep. Licensed GMRS users can only transmit 5 watts on the first 7 FRS
frequencies as well as all GMRS only frequencies.

Jack

Jack Thorpe

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Dec 8, 2000, 3:31:06 PM12/8/00
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In article <22993-3A...@storefull-135.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

Actually, they say your radio is 2 watts on the packaging but further
testing has shown that the radio isn't capable of more then .9 watts.
Audiovox got you on the bubble packaging with that one. You could do
much better with a Pryme, Motorola or something else. Not trying to
dog your radio, just posting the facts.

Kerry Braud

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Dec 8, 2000, 8:48:21 PM12/8/00
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So does the gov go after audiovox since they are selling illegal radios?
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Kerry Braud

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Dec 8, 2000, 9:01:02 PM12/8/00
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So does the FCC go after audiovox for marketing and selling this illegal
radio in general consumer market (like comp usa) to the (rule ignorant)
general public? I don't think the radio in question is sold with the (easy)
capability to adjust the FRS channel power.

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Steve Damelio

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Dec 8, 2000, 9:25:25 PM12/8/00
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Jack Thorpe <jthor...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yep. Licensed GMRS users can only transmit 5 watts on the first 7 FRS
> frequencies as well as all GMRS only frequencies.
>
> Jack
>
That's just plain wrong Jack. GMRS users can transmit 50 watts on the
regular channels. 462.550 through 462.725, either simplex or up 5Mhz
through a repeater.

Steve D


Levi

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Dec 9, 2000, 1:01:29 AM12/9/00
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To Jack yes I know what they say about the Audiovox 1525 not haveing 2W
power but that was a shop test.I put two 1525s to the test and I got
2miles car to car and 5 miles over water and 2miles in the woods 2W or
not.Also the 1525 can do near anything any GMRS can do but (spell it's
name)He-He-He Levi

zen...@mindspring.com

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Dec 9, 2000, 1:17:57 AM12/9/00
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Those GMRS interstitial channels (which are the upper FRS ones) were never
made active, so the question is moot.

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In article <OJ9Y5.1707$x6.20...@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>, "Kerry Braud"
<kbr...@home.com> wrote:

LCC

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Dec 9, 2000, 2:51:00 AM12/9/00
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 02:01:02 GMT, "Kerry Braud" <kbr...@home.com>
wrote:

>So does the FCC go after audiovox for marketing and selling this illegal
>radio in general consumer market (like comp usa) to the (rule ignorant)

The radio isn't illegal. The person is unlicensed if he or she has no
GMRS license. Concerning the market, that will ultimately decide what
success GMRS has in the consumer world.

Jack Thorpe

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Dec 9, 2000, 3:29:03 AM12/9/00
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In article <3a31e3d4...@news.sdsu.edu>,

ha...@aznet.net (LCC) wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 02:01:02 GMT, "Kerry Braud" <kbr...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> >So does the FCC go after audiovox for marketing and selling this
illegal
> >radio in general consumer market (like comp usa) to the (rule
ignorant)
>
> The radio isn't illegal. The person is unlicensed if he or she has no
> GMRS license. Concerning the market, that will ultimately decide what
> success GMRS has in the consumer world.

The radio is not illegal, correct, unless it's also transmitting .9
watts or it's 2 watt rated power on the upper 8 FRS frequencies. If
that's the case, it should never have been type accepted.

Jack Thorpe

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Dec 9, 2000, 3:26:01 AM12/9/00
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In article <FbgY5.1873$x6.26...@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>,

"Kerry Braud" <kbr...@home.com> wrote:
> So does the gov go after audiovox since they are selling illegal
radios?

I don't think that's necessarily the case. The problem is that it's
being sold as a FRS/GMRS "hybrid" and there really is no such thing.
If the unit can transmit more than 500 miliwatts, it's a GMRS radio and
nothing else. I personally fear that this marketing tactic is going to
appeal to those who have no license who wish to get as much power as
possible, thinking it's legal for them to use it.

Jack Thorpe

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Dec 9, 2000, 3:31:06 AM12/9/00
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In article <pKgY5.3796$U4.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

Please forgive my wording. You're correct about the regular channels
but I was talking about the interstital channels and neglected to make
that clear. On those frequencies, GMRS users are allowed to transmit
only 5 watts.

Jack Thorpe

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Dec 9, 2000, 3:40:50 AM12/9/00
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In article <12887-3A...@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

Let me ask you this, do you have a GMRS license? That's great that you
got that range with the radio. There are many issues with the radio.
This radio when talking to another Audiovox 1525 may be fine. Now
when you're trying to talk to someone with a Motorola GMRS or some
other brand that's designed for GMRS and not FRS, you could have
degraded range and audio quality. Like I say, to each his own. My
opinion is that the radio shouldn't be marketed as an FRS/GMRS unit.
That type of unit, as described by FCC regulations cannot exist. It
has to be one or the other.

Jack Thorpe

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Dec 9, 2000, 3:36:46 AM12/9/00
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In article <90sioa$5ut$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>,

zen...@mindspring.com wrote:
> Those GMRS interstitial channels (which are the upper FRS ones) were
never
> made active, so the question is moot.
>

Huh? The interstital channels are the lower 7 FRS frequencies starting
at 462.5625. The interstital channels are very active with both FRS
and GMRS traffic. GMRS users are not allowed to transmit on the upper
7 FRS frequencies.

G. M. Alf

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Dec 9, 2000, 6:58:14 PM12/9/00
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:26:54 GMT, "Kerry Braud" <kbr...@home.com>
wrote:

>Question: If you are operating a GMRS mobile radio in the FRS only (8-14)


>range at greater than .5 watt, arent you in violation of FCC rules, whether
>or not you have a GMRS license?

True.

You can't operate a GMRS radio at all in those channels regardless of
power.

Mike

G. M. Alf

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Dec 9, 2000, 7:00:06 PM12/9/00
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:29:29 GMT, Jack Thorpe
<jthor...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>In article <OJ9Y5.1707$x6.20...@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>,
> "Kerry Braud" <kbr...@home.com> wrote:
>> Question: If you are operating a GMRS mobile radio in the FRS only (8-
>14)
>> range at greater than .5 watt, arent you in violation of FCC rules,
>whether
>> or not you have a GMRS license?
>
>Yep. Licensed GMRS users can only transmit 5 watts on the first 7 FRS
>frequencies as well as all GMRS only frequencies.
>
>Jack

You can run up to 50 watts mobile on the standard GMRS frequencies.

Mike

G. M. Alf

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Dec 9, 2000, 10:56:33 PM12/9/00
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On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:01:29 -0500 (EST), LEC...@webtv.net (Levi)
wrote:

Except use repeaters. :)

Mike

zen...@mindspring.com

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Dec 11, 2000, 5:28:39 AM12/11/00
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Thats what I said..the upper GMRS intersitial channels (whcih are the 8-14
ones on FRS) were never made active...they existed on paper only before FRS.

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