Give us a child till he is seven...

[J. Boland]

On 4 Jun 1997, Wildhack wrote:

> Can anyone tell me who said, "Give us a child until he is seven and we
> have him for
> life."
>
> Thanks for your help!

This has been attributed to the Jesuits, but I'm not sure why exactly.

Anyone else?

[Idys W. Cox]

I have that one listed as ananymous, but in the same wein:
Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will
never be uprooted.
--Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Waynne

[dki...@valunet.com]

In article , "Idys says...

In the same vein still, see Proverbs 22:6
6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old,
he will not depart from it.

Dave
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.--Karl Marx

[Jan S.]

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:55:34 -0700, in article
<Pine.A41.3.95b.97060...@dante14.u.washington.edu>, J.
Boland (jbo...@u.washington.edu) says...

>
>On 4 Jun 1997, Wildhack wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me who said, "Give us a child until he is seven and we
>> have him for
>> life."
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>

>This has been attributed to the Jesuits, but I'm not sure why exactly.
>
>Anyone else?
>

Yes, the Jesuits. I've seen it attributed to Torquemada (specifically). I
can't provide a citation, though.

--jan (back to lurking)

[Bill Gascoyne]

Give me the children until they are seven,
and anyone may have them afterwards.
SAINT FRANCIS XAVIER

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[bbl...@bmc.com]

In article
<Pine.SOL.3.91.970604...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>, "Idys
W. Cox" <ic...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:

>
> I have that one listed as ananymous, but in the same wein:
> Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will
> never be uprooted.
> --Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
> Waynne

> On 4 Jun 1997, Wildhack wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me who said, "Give us a child until he is seven and we
> > have him for
> > life."
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> >

The relevant article in _Respectfully Quoted_ is brief:

Give me a child for the first seven years, and you may do what you
like with him afterwards.

Author unknown.--Vincent Stuckey Lean, _Lean's Collectanea_,
vol. 3, p. 472 (1903). This source states that the
quotation is a Jesuit maxim. Unverified.

It also refers to this entry:

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.

Attributed to Vladimir Ilich (Ulyanov) Lenin.--_100 Things
You Should Know About Communism_, prepared by the
Committee on Un-American Activities, U.S. House of
Representatives, pp. 46, 48 (1951). House Doc. 82-136.
Unverified.

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[Thomas Murphy - Sun UK]

I always understood that it was the boast of the Jesuits. As one who was
taught by priests (including one or two Jesuits), I can vouch for the
fact that they are very nearly right! They didn't get me until I was
twelve though ....

Thomas.

dki...@valunet.com wrote:
>
> In article , "Idys says...
> >

[Daniel P. B. Smith]

In article <5n6l51$dpm$1...@excalibur.flash.net>, Jan S. <j...@who.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:55:34 -0700, in article
><Pine.A41.3.95b.97060...@dante14.u.washington.edu>, J.
>Boland (jbo...@u.washington.edu) says...
>>

>>On 4 Jun 1997, Wildhack wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone tell me who said, "Give us a child until he is seven and we
>>> have him for
>>> life."
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>

>>This has been attributed to the Jesuits, but I'm not sure why exactly.

"Eerdman's Handbook to the History of Christianity" (_not_ a scholarly
work, more like a high-school textbook), in describing the early history
of the Jesuits, says, rather vaguely, "Before long the now-familiar
Jesuit saying was coined: 'Give me a child until he is seven, and he will
remain a Catholic the rest of this life.'"

--
Daniel P. B. Smith
dpbs...@world.std.com

[Grensh123]

I vaguely recall this quote being attributed to Joseph Goebels, the
infamous Nazi propogandist.

Grensh

[Ralph M Jones]

"Give me a child until he is seven and he's mine for life" is the way I
heard it, and it was attributed to a Jesuit.

[Weiz]

> --Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
> Waynne

> On 4 Jun 1997, Wildhack wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me who said, "Give us a child until he is seven and we
> > have him for
> > life."
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> >
>

I remember the quote being,

"Show us the boy at seven, and we will show you the man".
but cannot remember the source

Breezy

--
Don't ring for death.
Knock on his door and run,
He hates that.

[William C Waterhouse]

In article <5n6rhq$5...@lsi.lsil.com>, gas...@xvnews.unconfigured.domain

(Bill Gascoyne) writes:
> Give me the children until they are seven,
> and anyone may have them afterwards.
> SAINT FRANCIS XAVIER

and

In article <EBBwt...@world.std.com>, dpbs...@world.std.com
(Daniel P. B. Smith) writes:
> ...

> "Eerdman's Handbook to the History of Christianity" (_not_ a scholarly
> work, more like a high-school textbook), in describing the early history
> of the Jesuits, says, rather vaguely, "Before long the now-familiar
> Jesuit saying was coined: 'Give me a child until he is seven, and he will
> remain a Catholic the rest of this life.'"

I have seen this attribution several times, but I reamin dubious of it,
because it just doesn't fit what the Jesuits actually did. They were
indeed famous for schools, but not for nurseries. In fact, seven was
the age they would probably _begin_ schooling -- in Catholic tradition, that
is the age at which children were first considered to be capable of thinking
and responsible for their actions (thus, the age for first confession and
communion). I wonder if there wasn't some earlier form starting
"Give me your child when he is seven..."

William C. Waterhouse
Penn State

[rene...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, June 4, 1997 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, J. Boland wrote:
> On 4 Jun 1997, Wildhack wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me who said, "Give us a child until he is seven and we
> > have him for
> > life."
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
>

> This has been attributed to the Jesuits, but I'm not sure why exactly.
>

> Anyone else?

Hitler

[enviro...@gmail.com]

Loyola

[pastorbr...@gmail.com]

“Give me a child until he is seven, and he will remain a Catholic the rest of his life.” - Jesuits

Dowley, Tim. Eerdmans' Handbook to the History of Christianity. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, p. 415, 1977.

[Lucas Ramieux]

On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 05:51:18 -0800 (PST), pastorbr...@gmail.com
wrote:

>“Give me a child until he is seven, and he will remain a Catholic the rest of his life.” - Jesuits
>
>Dowley, Tim. Eerdmans' Handbook to the History of Christianity. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, p. 415, 1977.

Also attributed to Aristotle. (see for instance, Richardson, Janice ;
Elizabeth Milovidov & Roger Blamire (2017). Bullying: Perspectives,
Practice and Insights. Strasbourg, France: Council of Europe. p. 157.)

Pretty much applies to any religion, cult or philosophy.


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"Memento mori; Live purposefully"