WHO SAID?: Today is a good day to die.
LisaKlob
I seem to recall that the quote "Today is a good day to die" was uttered
by a Native American leader--Red Cloud, Sitting Bull, Cochise, Crazy
Horse, perhaps?--during the Indian Wars of the 19th century. Or am I
totally off base? I would like to use this quote in a prose poem,
correctly attributed. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Rick Kennerly
I recall it associated with the Ghost Warriors of some last ditch plains
Indian movement. They'd already given themselves up for dead and therefore
used this phrase among themselves to boost morale.
John Davis
LisaKlob (lisa...@aol.com) wrote:
: I seem to recall that the quote "Today is a good day to die" was uttered
Crazy Horse at The Little Bighorn.
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david mchardy
In the movie "Little Big Man," the Indian Chief played by Chief Dan George said "Today is a good day to die!"
John Davis
KAUSMICK
It was Sitting Bull. And he wasn't at wits' ends yet... nor were his
warriors. However, with this attitude, they had one of their strongest
batttles of the year.
joyce said
I beleive this was said by the Prophet Mohamed as God told him death was
imminent
Sam Hobbs
joyce said <joy...@erols.com> writes:
> I beleive this was said by the Prophet Mohamed as God told him death was
> imminent
>
>
_A Good Day To Die_ is also the title of an adventure novel.
Lynn McDougal
That would be the first Klingon warrior when faced with a Borg. A.D.
Dirt, I believe.
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.sigs and counters are for squids and hosers, eh?
Peter Dunfield
> Sam Hobbs <sa...@gdsassoc.com> writes:
> joyce said <joy...@erols.com> writes:
> > I beleive this was said by the Prophet Mohamed as God told him death was
> > imminent
> >
> >
>
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I cant give you the reference.
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As a child I understood how to give, I have forgotten this grace
since I have become civilised.
-Chief Luther Standing Bear
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J. Scott Zielsdorf
.,*~~*,.,*~~*,.@ (jas...@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu) wrote:
: LisaKlob <lisa...@aol.com>, that darling, wrote:
: $ I seem to recall that the quote "Today is a good day to die" was uttered
: $ by a Native American leader--Red Cloud, Sitting Bull, Cochise, Crazy
: $ Horse, perhaps?--during the Indian Wars of the 19th century. Or am I
: $ totally off base? I would like to use this quote in a prose poem,
: $ correctly attributed. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.
: $ Thanks.
: actually, the only place i remember hearing it was at the beginning of
: "flatliners"
: - j
Wasn't it Dustin Hoffman's Indian Chief Father in "Little Big Man"?
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ji
In article <530lm1$j...@test-sun.erols.com>, joyce said <joy...@erols.com> wrote:
>I beleive this was said by the Prophet Mohamed as God told him death was
>imminent
No, it was Worf from Star Trek TNG.
James Copeland
The movie *Little Big Man* circa 1970 used the phrase a couple of different
times, but I'll bet it older than that......
.,*~~*,.,*~~*,.@ <jas...@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> wrote in article
<5315fr$2...@thor.cmp.ilstu.edu>...
Katrina Bowen
u...@df.dsf.com (ji) wrote:
I've heard it attributed to both Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull.
Katrina Bowen
kbo...@willowtree.com
Sam Hobbs
There are four novels and one non-fiction book listed in the
LOC Catalog with the title or sub-title "A Good Day To Die."
From these, it looks like the Native American source is a good bet
although there may be others also (One of the novels and the one
non-fiction appear to relate to the American west and the conflicts
with the American Indians).
*** fiction ***
Blackburn, Thomas Wakefield. A good day to die. New York, D. McKay Co.
[1967], PZ3.B5665 Go
Harrison, Jim, 1937-. A good day to die; a novel. New York, Simon and
Schuster [1973], PZ4.H3212 Go PS3558.A67 (Black humor)
Barton, Del, 1925-. A good day to die : a novel. Garden City, N.Y. :
Doubleday, 1980. PZ4.B29146 Go PS3552.A768 (Dakota Indians)
Solomita, Stephen. A good day to die. New York, NY : O. Penzler Books,
c1993. PS3569.O587 G66 1993 (Detective and mystery stories)
*** non-fiction ***
Hardorff, Richard G. Hokahey! A good day to die! : the Indian casualties
of the Custer fight. E83.876 .H3 1993 (Little Bighorn, Battle of the)
Barbara L. Evenson
> That would be the first Klingon warrior when faced with a Borg. A.D.
> Dirt, I believe.
>
Moonchild
> > actually, the only place i remember hearing it was at the beginning of
> > "flatliners"
> >
> > - j
> >
> >
times that is prase is uttered...one of which is in an Indian
language. Unfortunately, I can't remember what tribe.
Beth
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Morgan Lewis
This is undoubtedly one of those great undocumented quotes that one or
more people said, and everyone else repeated. It may even be just a
common phrase or proverb among certain peoples. At any rate, we
certainly seem to be getting enough different responses here.
Morgan
I T Git
On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Lynn McDougal wrote:
> That would be the first Klingon warrior when faced with a Borg. A.D.
> Dirt, I believe.
>
> --
>
> .sigs and counters are for squids and hosers, eh?
Was it not also included in the film "Flatliners" ?
Git
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inspired by beauty, sanctioned by virtue and kept at all times within
the bounds of respect. It's innocent expression prompted not by hope but
by trust."
Vicomte de Valmont -- Les Liaisons Dangereuses.
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"If we deny love that is given to us, if we refuse to give love because
we fear pain or loss, then our lives will be empty, our loss greater."
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M.Cox
In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.961014103610.12897H-100000@rowan>,
i...@coventry.ac.uk says...
origin of the phrase, "It's a good day to die" comes from a Native
American war cry "Hoka hey!" The first recorded instance of this
statement was by Black Shawl, right before the battle of Little Big
Horn where custer was defeated.
David A. Lyons
On 17 Oct 1996, M.Cox wrote:
> >On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Lynn McDougal wrote:
> >
> >> That would be the first Klingon warrior when faced with a Borg.
> American war cry "Hoka hey!" The first recorded instance of this
> statement was by Black Shawl, right before the battle of Little Big Horn
> where custer was defeated.
Worf said, "It is a good day to die....and the day is not yet over".
David Lyons
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ric...@acmesalesusa.com
> I seem to recall that the quote "Today is a good day to die" was uttered
ric...@acmesalesusa.com
David C Kifer
reference, the 14 August 1881 edition of the Leavenworth Times, attributes it to the Oglala Lakota
chief Low Dog (c. 1846 – 1894)".
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/today_is_a_good_day_to_die
Crazy Horse was also Oglala Lakota, and Little Big Horn was Jun 25, 1876 – Jun 26, 1876, which makes
it five years earlier than the newspaper cited. If Crazy Horse actually said it, Low Dog no doubt
heard of it, may have been there to hear it directly. Or, as often happens, since Crazy Horse was
more famous, he eventually got the credit for it, just as Ben Franklin gets credit for so many
things he never said. Or Crazy Horse never said it, and Low Dog said it first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn
Since both men were Oglala Lakota, it might have been a Lakota Proverb.
I am personally going to credit it this way:
--often attributed to Oglala Lakota war chief Crazy Horse, at the Battle of Little Big Horn, Jun 25,
1876 – Jun 26, 1876 [Custer's Last Stand]. The earliest published reference, the 14 August 1881
edition of the Leavenworth Times, attributes it to the Oglala Lakota chief Low Dog (c. 1846 –
1894)". [Possibly a Lakota Proverb?]
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Dave
"Tam multi libri, tam breve tempus!"
(Et brevis pecunia.) [Et breve spatium.]
Clearlize
[.....]
>
> I am personally going to credit it this way:
>
> --often attributed to Oglala Lakota war chief Crazy Horse, at the Battle of Little Big Horn, Jun 25,
> 1876 – Jun 26, 1876 [Custer's Last Stand]. The earliest published reference, the 14 August 1881
> edition of the Leavenworth Times, attributes it to the Oglala Lakota chief Low Dog (c. 1846 –
> 1894)". [Possibly a Lakota Proverb?]
>
specific context, it could imply that any day is a good day to die. Or
it could be directed at enemy combatants, like "Today is a good day for the
other bastards to die," as Gen. George S. Patton might have phrased it.
-- Ignar
David C Kifer
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Suum cuique. [Latin]
To each his own.
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pyotr filipivich
16:39:53 -0400 typed in alt.quotations the following:
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 5:32:59 PM UTC-4, David C Kifer wrote:
>> [.....]
>>> Since both men were Oglala Lakota, it might have been a Lakota Proverb.
>>>
>>> I am personally going to credit it this way:
>>>
>>> --often attributed to Oglala Lakota war chief Crazy Horse, at the Battle of Little Big Horn, Jun 25,
>>> 1876 – Jun 26, 1876 [Custer's Last Stand]. The earliest published reference, the 14 August 1881
>>> edition of the Leavenworth Times, attributes it to the Oglala Lakota chief Low Dog (c. 1846 –
>>> 1894)". [Possibly a Lakota Proverb?]
>>>
>>
>> I don't think it has the "literary feel" or sense of a proverb. Without a
>> specific context, it could imply that any day is a good day to die. Or
>> it could be directed at enemy combatants, like "Today is a good day for the
>> other bastards to die," as Gen. George S. Patton might have phrased it.
>> -- Ignar
>
>You might have a point there, Ignar. I'll ponder on it, maybe remove that possibility.
die?" on just such a theme. Not to forget "Men of Harlech" .
As an Irish priest I knew told me "Our wars are merry, but our
songs are sad."
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pyotr filipivich
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