Copyright laws and alt.quotations
~~seadancer~~
When I quote a line or two (here at alt.quotations) from a recent book,
including the attribution, am I breaking the copyright laws if I don't get
permission from the author or publisher?
When someone here at alt.quotations (or afpf newsgroup, for example) quotes
a newspaper article or op-ed piece, without permission from the newspaper,
is that considered to be breaking copyright laws?
Is alt.quotations newsgroup considered a "legitimate context" (as described
below)?
See the post below.
It was written by someone from the UK newsgroup:
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From: "Michaelangelo" <mike...@lineone.net.invalid>
Newsgroups: uk.people.silversurfers
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:35 PM
> Strictly speaking if you want
> to quote someone else's work you need the copyright holdrers written
> permission to do so. The copyright holder may be the author of the work or
> the person/company who commissioned it or the publisher of the work or the
> original authors employer or any persopn/organisation to whom the
> copyright has been assigned. Which of those depends on the type of
> contract involved.
>
> Generally you can quote a small portion of someone else's work without
> permission if you are doing so in a legitimate context - eg if you were
> reviewing a book for a magazine or newspaper.
>
> Where the 'author' of the work - writer, painter, photographer holds the
> copyright that copyright usually exists for 70 years after the authors
> death. Note that the calculation of the seventy years starts from the
> beginning of the year following their death. When copyright finally
> expires the materiasl is said to be 'in the public domain'.
>
> Of course, where permission to use material is given the copyright holder
> can make any conditions they see fit including making a charge for using
> that material.
>
[Sea wrote]
> > At alt.quotations, we quote writers and authors and no one complains.
> > We also post lyrics, giving full credit to the composer of the lyrics.
> > I've never seen a complaint.
>
> This is a common misconception which sometimes lands people in a law suit.
>
> It's not generally realised that even letters and e-mails are subject to
> copyright. the recipient is not entitled to allow anyone else to read uch
> communications without permission from the 'author'. Of course a degree of
> common sense comes into play here. In Usenet we all regularly quote each
> other's posts. It's part of accepted Usenet convention and would be
> unlikely to lead to any action but, strictly speaking, if a post is
> quoted, substantially or entirely, that is breaching copyright unless the
> OP has given their express permission for the post to be quoted.
>
> All of the above is a generalisation, of course, since copyright law
> varies from country to country and nowadays even countries who are
> signatories to the Berne Convention don't always fully comply with its
> provisions.
>
> Finally, don't assume that something is not copyright just because it
> doesn't carry a copyright stament - eg 'Copyright © Seadancer 2008'. Such
> statements are not a legal requirement though it's a wise precaution to
> use them when publishing any original material - including publishing
> items to web pages. The word 'copyright' should always be used as the
> traditional symbol - © - is not recognised in some countries.
>
> BTW You have my permission to quote this post, in whole or in part and
> without payment or restriction. :)
> Michaelangelo
[Posted by "Michaelangelo" at uk.people.silversurfers newsgroup, 5/22/08]
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To see the complete discussion in the original thread, see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.people.silversurfers/browse_frm/thread/59135f9ec252b160?hl=en#
What do you folks at alt.quotatons think (or know) about this?
ObQuote:
"Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense
in any copyright law on the planet." -Mark Twain
---Sea
libreria
> What are the copyright laws as they pertain to alt.quotations?
> What do you folks at alt.quotatons think (or know) about this?
> ObQuote:
> "Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense
> in any copyright law on the planet." -Mark Twain
This is an educational setting, surely! <s>
...
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of
a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or
phonorecords or by any other means specified in that section, for
purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including
multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research is not an
infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work
in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall
include --
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such
use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation
to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of
the copyrighted work.
U.S. Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C.
Section 107. Limitations on Exclusive Rights: Fair Use
Comment: Thus we are all mindful of the KISS (Keep it Short, Stupid)
Principle.
//libreria
What is good belongs to no one . . . but rather to the language and to
tradition.
-Jorge Luis Borges 1899 -1986 , Borges and I
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bobgnome
"~~seadancer~~" <seadan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> What do you folks at alt.quotatons think (or know) about this?
> ObQuote:
> "Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense
> in any copyright law on the planet." -Mark Twain
> ---Sea
I say, fiddleedee, bring 'em on!
No written law has ever been more binding than
unwritten custom supported by popular opinion.
--Carrie Chapman Catt (1859-1947)
American women's suffrage leader.
"Why We Ask for the Submission of an Amendment,"
speech in Senate hearing on woman's suffrage
[13 February 1900].
As always, yours,
J. Eustace McGargle
~~seadancer~~
Thank you, Libreria!
Yes, we *are* educational, aren't we!
May I quote you at uk.people.silversurfers?
(I'll leave out the KISS part.) (g)
---Sea
ObQ: "Education is the best provision for old age." -Aristotle
~~seadancer~~
> "~~seadancer~~" wrote in message [snipped]
ROTFL! I think the LV heat has gotten to you, Eustace. (g)
The WSJ will sue you yet! (lol)
---Sea
ObQ: "Never give a sucker an even break."
-Professor Eustace McGargle, character in
film, "Poppy", 1936, played by W.C. Fields
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028120/quotes
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028120/trivia
> http://www.amazon.ca/Sally-Sawdust-D-W-Griffith/dp/6303905439
bobgnome
> "bobgnome" <bobg...@cox.net> wrote
>> As always, yours,
>> J. Eustace McGargle
>
> ROTFL! I think the LV heat has gotten to you, Eustace. (g)
108 degrees last Monday. :(
> The WSJ will sue you yet! (lol)
> ---Sea
Don't laugh, if they take it all we'll be camping
out on your lawn!
Q. Mrs. Jones, is your appearance this morning pursuant
to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
A. No. This is how I dress when I go to work.
Q. Are you married?
A. No, I'm divorced.
Q. And what did your husband do before you divorced
him?
A. A lot of things I didn't know about.
Q. Did you ever stay all night with this man in New York?
A. I refuse to answer that question.
Q. Did you ever stay all night with this man in Chicago?
A. I refuse to answer that question.
Q. Did you ever stay all night with this man in Miami?
A. No.
--Mary Louise Gilman, _Humor in the Court_ [1977]
k :)
The Sanity Inspector
> What are the copyright laws as they pertain to alt.quotations?
>
> When I quote a line or two (here at alt.quotations) from a recent book,
> including the attribution, am I breaking the copyright laws if I don't get
> permission from the author or publisher?
>
> When someone here at alt.quotations (or afpf newsgroup, for example) quotes
> a newspaper article or op-ed piece, without permission from the newspaper,
> is that considered to be breaking copyright laws?
>
> Is alt.quotations newsgroup considered a "legitimate context" (as described
> below)?
I imagine Google Books would get sued, before small fry like us come
under fire.
Obq:
Big book, big bore. -- Callimachus
--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
-- The Jam
The Punter
> ROTFL! I think the LV heat has gotten to you, Eustace. (g)
I have a very warm spot in my heart for Vegas.
~Louie Anderson 1953-
//The Punter
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~~seadancer~~
> "~~seadancer~~" <seadan...@yahoo.com> wrote
LOL !
That's OK! You can camp out on our lawn anytime! (g)
(And you can quote me on that.) (staying on topic) (g)
At least I'd get to meet you at last. (And it's cooler here.) (g)
There's this to tempt you:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Sea1934/LakeGeorgeScenes
ObQuote:
"Camping is nature's way of promoting the motel business." -Dave Barry.
---Sea :)
H.P. Huey
>> ObQuote:
> "Camping is nature's way of promoting the motel business." -Dave Barry.
> ---Sea :)
Two weeks ago, I was in three layers of clothing to go outside. Today,
it hit 88. Hot, cold, hot, cold, hot, earthquakes, cold, tornadoes. Oh
make up your MIND, please?
"It was so hot, I poured some McDonald's coffee on my crotch to cool off."
~ Fry, "Futurama"
--
HellPope Huey
If my dog had a face like yours,
you'd owe me child support
"The Earth... its beautiful...
what happens now?"
"I don't know; I'm a stranger here myself."
~ "Alien Resurrection"
"Why can't you just get blacklisted
as a Communist, like everybody else?"
~ "A Thousand Clowns"
H.P. Huey
> I have a very warm spot in my heart for Vegas.
> ~Louie Anderson 1953-
"I got hooked on so much TV news, I had to go to CNN-Anon."
~ Louie Anderson
bobgnome
"~~seadancer~~" <seadan...@yahoo.com>
[...]
> There's this to tempt you:
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Sea1934/LakeGeorgeScenes
> ObQuote:
> "Camping is nature's way of promoting the motel business." -Dave Barry.
> ---Sea :)
No temptation needed because I've been to
everyone of our fifty-seven, or is it fifty-nine
states, and I've yet to see anything as pretty
as the Adirondacks.
Of all the wonders of nature, a tree in summer
is perhaps the most remarkable; with the possible
exception of a moose singing "Embraceable You"
in spats.
--Woody Allen [Allen Stewart Konigsberg] (1935- )
American actor, screenwriter, and director.
k <wink>
~~seadancer~~
> No temptation needed because I've been to
> everyone of our fifty-seven, or is it fifty-nine
> states, and I've yet to see anything as pretty
> as the Adirondacks.
>
> Of all the wonders of nature, a tree in summer
> is perhaps the most remarkable; with the possible
> exception of a moose singing "Embraceable You"
> in spats.
> --Woody Allen [Allen Stewart Konigsberg] (1935- )
> American actor, screenwriter, and director.
> k <wink>
Thank you for the endorsement of the Adirondacks. :)
You're in good company, that of William James and Thomas Jefferson:
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"There are some nooks and summits in that Adirondack region where one can
really 'recline on one's divine composure,' and as long as one stays up
there, seem for a while to enjoy one's birthright of freedom and relief from
every fever and falsity."
-William James, 1895, Letter to Mrs. Henry Whitman, June 16, 1895. ["This
collection of letters was originally published in The Atlantic Monthly in
three installments. See the July, 1920 installment. See the September, 1920
installment."]
-from: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96may/nitrous/jamii.htm
"Lake George is without comparison, the most beautiful water I ever saw;
formed by a a contour of mountains into a basin thirty-five miles long and
from two to four miles broad, finely interspersed with islands, its water
limpid as crystal and the mountainsides covered with rich groves of silver
fir, white pine, aspen and paper birch down to the water, here and there
precipices of rock to checker the scene and save it from monotony. An
abundance of speckled trout, salmon trout, bass, and other fish with which
it is stored, have added to our other amusements the sport of taking
them." -Thomas Jefferson, 1791
-from: http://www.lakegeorgehistorical.org/new_page_1.htm
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-posted for "nonprofit educational purposes" ('fair use' rule) (sticking to
topic) (g)
---Sea