Who said "Never trust anyone over 30"
Sam Hobbs
Jennifer <jenn...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
I have never heard an attribution, just a slogan from the late 60's/early
70's. The interesting thing is that virtually everyone who said it during
that time period is now in their late 40's or older.
Of course, it is possible that one of our learned friends here on aq will
have an attribution.
Regards,
Sam
Jennifer
Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
Thanks!
Jennifer
Daniel P. B. Smith
<jenn...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
> The title says it all...
>
> Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
Rats... read something about this just recently. Actually I thought it
was here in this newsgroup, but Deja News says no...
Anyway--to the best of my recollection at this point in time (remember
THAT phrase?)--it was Jerry Rubin, of Yippie and Chicago Seven fame. It
was during an interview, and the interviewer was pushing him to say
something pithy about youth, and on the spur of the moment he said
"Well, in the movement we have a saying: never trust anyone over
thirty." There wasn't in fact any such saying before he said it. I
believe Rubin himself was over thirty at the time.
The Chicago Seven were seven leftish people accused of and tried for
conspiracy in connection with the demonstrations at the Democratic
National Convention in 1968. That was because what they had actually
_done_ was negligible, but _conspiracy_ was a far more serious offense
than any of the things they had actually done. Unfortunately for the
authorities they barely knew each other, did not agree with each other
all that much politically, had hardly ever met, and the whole thing was
an obvious put-up job which not even a biased judge could make much of.
--
Daniel P. B. Smith
current email address: dpbs...@bellatlantic.net
"Lifetime forwarding address:" dpbs...@alum.mit.edu
Jennifer
Thanks for the tip... I'll do some research to try and see if it was Rubin.
Jennifer
Who is now over 30 but was only 5 in 1968
Martin Ambuhl
Jennifer <jenn...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
Jack Weinberg was first quoted as saying this. It was adopted as the
slogan of the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley, of which Mario Savio was
the best known member. For that reason, it is sometimes falsely
attributed to Savio.
The strike at Berkeley was a small affair until twelve cops charged at
Jack, kicking and otherwise assaulting him. This was the first time
that white college students in the sixties were forced to face what
barbarous brutality the state was willing to use to stifle peaceful
protest. Many for the first time realized that the rights enshrined in
the Bill of Rights were not "natural law", but positive law which
existed only to the extent one was willing to defend them.
--
Martin Ambuhl mam...@earthlink.net
What one knows is, in youth, of little moment; they know enough who
know how to learn. - Henry Adams
A thick skin is a gift from God. - Konrad Adenauer
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Ed C
reporter on the Free Speech Movement at Berkely, CA(1964). The reason it was
misattributed to Jerry Rubin and others is because Weinberg was a relative
unknown and Rubin and others were more famous. The saying caught on in the
Bay area after Weinberg said it and other Movement members began to use it.
Rubin, in his book, "Growing (Up) AT 37" tried to take credit for the
phrase, but it originated with Weinberg. (Source, Bartlett's 16th ed. and
others.)
Ed
Jennifer <jenn...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> The title says it all...
>
> Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Jennifer
>
BinneBrook
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BinneBrook
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Graham J Weeks
BinneBrook wrote:
> I'd also say, "Never trust anyone over 30."
>
Over 30 what?
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>BinneBrook wrote:
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>> I'd also say, "Never trust anyone over 30."
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>Over 30 what?
Over 30 IQ, present company excepted, of course! :-)>
>ObQuote
>Our company does not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, age, or
>religion... unless the religions are bizarre and unpopular and can be
>considered cults (and so may be freely discriminated against), or you
>are a short, fat, bald, ugly,white heterosexual male (and can be picked
>on without restraint), or are a nerd, smoker, or single person. Stupid
>people may now also be discriminated against due to the failure of their
>lobbying efforts.
OUCH! Graham, that satire is just too damn close to the truth!
Obquote:
"He who chooses the beginning of a road chooses the place it leads to.
It is the means that determine the end."
--Harry Emerson Fosdick
Dave
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(Et brevis pecunia.) [Et breve spatium.]
Ann Hughes
"Daniel P. B. Smith" <dpbs...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3868076A...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net>, Jennifer
> <jenn...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > The title says it all...
> >
> > Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
>
> Rats... read something about this just recently. Actually I thought it
> was here in this newsgroup, but Deja News says no...
>
> Anyway--to the best of my recollection at this point in time (remember
> THAT phrase?)--it was Jerry Rubin, of Yippie and Chicago Seven fame. It
> was during an interview, and the interviewer was pushing him to say
> something pithy about youth, and on the spur of the moment he said
> "Well, in the movement we have a saying: never trust anyone over
> thirty." There wasn't in fact any such saying before he said it. I
> believe Rubin himself was over thirty at the time.
>
> The Chicago Seven were seven leftish people accused of and tried for
> conspiracy in connection with the demonstrations at the Democratic
> National Convention in 1968. That was because what they had actually
> _done_ was negligible, but _conspiracy_ was a far more serious offense
> than any of the things they had actually done. Unfortunately for the
> authorities they barely knew each other, did not agree with each other
> all that much politically, had hardly ever met, and the whole thing was
> an obvious put-up job which not even a biased judge could make much of.
>
> --
> Daniel P. B. Smith
> current email address: dpbs...@bellatlantic.net
> "Lifetime forwarding address:" dpbs...@alum.mit.edu
ennifer <jenn...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
Jack Weinberg was first quoted as saying this. It was adopted as the
slogan of the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley, of which Mario Savio was
the best known member. For that reason, it is sometimes falsely
attributed to Savio.
The strike at Berkeley was a small affair until twelve cops charged at
Jack, kicking and otherwise assaulting him. This was the first time
that white college students in the sixties were forced to face what
barbarous brutality the state was willing to use to stifle peaceful
protest. Many for the first time realized that the rights enshrined in
the Bill of Rights were not "natural law", but positive law which
existed only to the extent one was willing to defend them.
--
Martin Ambuhl mam...@earthlink.net
What one knows is, in youth, of little moment; they know enough who
know how to learn. - Henry Adams
A thick skin is a gift from God. - Konrad Adenauer
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In article <3868076A...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net>, Jennifer
<jenn...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
> The title says it all...
>
> Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
Rats... read something about this just recently. Actually I thought it
was here in this newsgroup, but Deja News says no...
Anyway--to the best of my recollection at this point in time (remember
THAT phrase?)--it was Jerry Rubin, of Yippie and Chicago Seven fame. It
was during an interview, and the interviewer was pushing him to say
something pithy about youth, and on the spur of the moment he said
"Well, in the movement we have a saying: never trust anyone over
thirty." There wasn't in fact any such saying before he said it. I
believe Rubin himself was over thirty at the time.
The Chicago Seven were seven leftish people accused of and tried for
conspiracy in connection with the demonstrations at the Democratic
National Convention in 1968. That was because what they had actually
_done_ was negligible, but _conspiracy_ was a far more serious offense
than any of the things they had actually done. Unfortunately for the
authorities they barely knew each other, did not agree with each other
all that much politically, had hardly ever met, and the whole thing was
an obvious put-up job which not even a biased judge could make much of.
--
Daniel P. B. Smith
current email address: dpbs...@bellatlantic.net
"Lifetime forwarding address:" dpbs...@alum.mit.edu
It was Jack Weinberg, during an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle
Bill Nourse
> The title says it all...
>
> Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
Wasn't it Mario Savio? (UC Berkeley '60s free-speech radical)
--
Bill Nourse
Memphis, Tennessee USA
http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/~nourse
"Love alone is capable of uniting living beings in such a way as to
complete and fulfill them, for it alone takes them and joins them by
what is deepest in themselves."
-- Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Martin Ambuhl
Bill Nourse wrote:
>
> Jennifer wrote:
>
> > The title says it all...
> >
> > Who said "Never trust anyone over thirty"?
>
> Wasn't it Mario Savio? (UC Berkeley '60s free-speech radical)
If you will read my (much) earlier answer, with the correct attribution
to Jack Weinberg, you will see that I already explained the occassional
erroneous attribution to Mario Savio. This at least is honest. Others
of less honesty have also tried to claim it. BTW, here is the text of
the "Support the Strike" poster:
SUPPORT THE STRIKE!
"Twelve police charged Jack Weinberg, grabbing and
kicking him...." Yesterday 650 cops took over this campus;
their presence was felt everywhere. Today rumors from the
administration office suggest the student demonstrators
are to be expelled. YOU MUST SUPPORT THE STRIKE TO STOP
THEIR EXPULSION. Only in this way can we counteract the
Mississippi Journalism of the William Knowlands.
In itself the beatings of our friends and fellow
students by the cops is justification enough for our
strike. But the strike is also a strike for free
speech. Yesterday the faculty showed overwhelming support
for leaving the legality of advocacy to the courts. They
also almost unanimously supported a plea for amnesty for
the students. NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT. SUPPORT THE
STRIKE. Our strike must fill the vacuum created by the
moral abdication of the administration.
COME TO THE RALLY AT SPROUL HALL !
Strike Committee of the GCC/FSM
>
> --
> Bill Nourse
> Memphis, Tennessee USA
> http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/~nourse
>
> "Love alone is capable of uniting living beings in such a way as to
> complete and fulfill them, for it alone takes them and joins them by
> what is deepest in themselves."
>
> -- Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
--
kmonroe
Ed C
Martin Ambuhl <mam...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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For me, the lame part of the Sixties was the political part, the social
part. The real part was the spiritual part.~Jerry Garcia
The trauma of the Sixties persuaded me that my generation's egalitarianism
was a sentimental error. I now see the hierarchical as both beautiful and
necessary. Efficiency liberates; egalitarianism tangles, delays, blocks,
deadens.~Camille Paglia
I like to think of my behavior in the sixties as a "learning experience."
Then again, I like to think of anything stupid I've done as a "learning
experience." It makes me feel less stupid.~P. J. O'Rourke
Ed
Pass me my tie-dyed t-shirt, please.
Daniel P. B. Smith
<mam...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> BTW, here is the text of
> the "Support the Strike" poster:
[snip]
Cool...
Please describe the poster! Was it one of those silk-screened posters?
It's been decades since I've seen one of those. Nobody could ever
resist the temptation to use two colors of ink, so the lettering in a
typical poster would shade from, say, bilious green at the top to, say,
nauseating orange at the bottom...
Martin Ambuhl
kmonroe wrote:
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> i've always thought this was a bob dylan quote
You have always been wrong, then.
Martin Ambuhl
"Daniel P. B. Smith" wrote:
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> In article <38745BF7...@earthlink.net>, Martin Ambuhl
> <mam...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > BTW, here is the text of
> > the "Support the Strike" poster:
> [snip]
>
> Cool...
>
> Please describe the poster! Was it one of those silk-screened posters?
> It's been decades since I've seen one of those. Nobody could ever
> resist the temptation to use two colors of ink, so the lettering in a
> typical poster would shade from, say, bilious green at the top to, say,
> nauseating orange at the bottom...
No such luck. This was a rush job. I have also similar poster from
strikes at Harvar, Columbia, MIT, Notre Dame, and UMich.
If you are really interested in FSM, the Veterans of the FSM have been
partying since December for the 35th anniversary. They run the Fress
Speech Movement Archives and keep a nice site at www.fsm-a.org