FAQ's for alt.quotations
Frank Lynch
newsgroup..."
- Mickey Rooney
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhgere on the web first.
There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
them are these two:
http://www.quotationspage.com/
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
positive results.
Frank Lynch
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and who does nothing when he is there but sits and *growl *; let him come
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- Reverend Ian Ford
Jeff Redman
obQ
The mathematician's patterns, like the painter's or the poet's must be
beautiful; the ideas, like the colors or the words must fit
together in a harmonious way. Beauty is the first test: there is no
permanent place in this world for ugly mathematics.
-- "A Mathematician's Apology" by Godfrey H. Hardy
Jeff
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>They can have it in any color they want, as long as it's paisley.
> - Reverend Ian Ford
I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the
death your right to say it.
--The Diet of Worms to Martin Luther
--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
--The Jam
The Sanity Inspector
Sanity Inspector shared with usenet this thought:
>
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:12:25 -0400, Frank Lynch
><fra...@samueljohnson.com> shared with usenet this thought:
>
>>They can have it in any color they want, as long as it's paisley.
>> - Reverend Ian Ford
>
> I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the
>death your right to say it.
> --The Diet of Worms to Martin Luther
My dear Winston, Enclosed please find two tickets to my new play's opening night
performance. I should be most honored to have you attend. Please bring a
friend--if you have one. --GBS
Shaw: Oh, sod off. -- Churchill
Sam Byrd
* [Tue, 08 May 2001 03:42:15 GMT]
* The Sanity Inspector <choll...@mindspring.com>:
> I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the
> death your right to say it.
> --The Diet of Worms to Martin Luther
--
Byrd +++blimp+...@arbornet.org+++
ps. All replies *must* have 'Re:' in their Subject line.
The Sanity Inspector
tongue-in-cheek.
On 9 May 2001 20:13:02 GMT, Sam Byrd <blimp@.InVaLiD.apexmail.com>
shared with usenet this thought:
>Was it not Voltaire, who said that?
>
>* [Tue, 08 May 2001 03:42:15 GMT]
>* The Sanity Inspector <choll...@mindspring.com>:
>
>> I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the
>> death your right to say it.
>> --The Diet of Worms to Martin Luther
--
Graham Weeks
Too late and tired to even ObQ
Graham
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blimp+...@arbornet.org wrote:
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The Sanity Inspector
Weeks) shared with usenet this thought:
>I thought Bruce was having a joke here, a joke I could not understand.
>
>Too late and tired to even ObQ
That's probably why you didn't get it. I'm imitating Frank
and his scrambled quotes, trying to be as funny as his were.
Obquote:
The world is a perpetual caricature of itself; at every moment
it is the mockery and the contradiction of what it is pretending to
be. But as it nevertheless intends all the time to be something
dignified, at the next moment it corrects and checks and tries to
cover up the absurd thing it was; so that a conventional world, a
world of masks, is superimposed on the reality, and passes in every
sphere of human interest for the reality itself. Humor is the
perception of this illusion, whilst the convention continues to be
maintained, as if we had not observed its absurdity.
-- George Santayana
Frank Lynch
Sanity Inspector) wrote:
>If you'll check previous posts, you'll see that the thread is somewhat
>tongue-in-cheek.
>
oui. oui get some garbled requests, and since *some*one needs to take
on the responsibility of regularly posting the FAQ's, why not have
some fun?
Girls just wanna have grunge
- Cyndi Vedder
Graham Weeks
<fra...@samueljohnson.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2001 22:17:25 GMT, choll...@mindspring.com (The
> Sanity Inspector) wrote:
>
> >If you'll check previous posts, you'll see that the thread is somewhat
> >tongue-in-cheek.
> >
>
> oui. oui get some garbled requests, and since *some*one needs to take
> on the responsibility of regularly posting the FAQ's, why not have
> some fun?
>
>
I am not opposed to having fun, nor to being exposed as sometimes slow on
the uptake. However if an old hand here failed to connect Bruce's post to
previous humour from Frank, then surely any newbie would be at a complete
loss, as was evident from a response received?
I regularly find that in using humour before a group, rather than one to
one, you have to be extra-careful to ensure they know that it is meant to
be humorous.
So
ObFakeQ
Like a dog walking on its hind legs, Graham's homepage is not done well
but one is amazed to see it done at all.
Samuel Johnson
The Sanity Inspector
<bknjft8bu4lp4g5gc...@4ax.com>, Frank Lynch shared with usenet
this thought:
>oui. oui get some garbled requests, and since *some*one needs to take
>on the responsibility of regularly posting the FAQ's, why not have
>some fun?
>
>Girls just wanna have grunge
> - Cyndi Vedder
Suppose you were a congressman, and may history forget that you were our
countryman.
-- Samuel Twain
Frank Lynch
Weeks) wrote:
>I am not opposed to having fun, nor to being exposed as sometimes slow on
>the uptake. However if an old hand here failed to connect Bruce's post to
>previous humour from Frank, then surely any newbie would be at a complete
>loss, as was evident from a response received?
>
>I regularly find that in using humour before a group, rather than one to
>one, you have to be extra-careful to ensure they know that it is meant to
>be humorous.
Graham,
I think you have a very valid point, or at least, a logical extension
of your point is worth adressing. Postings in this thread which do
not actually list links to the FAQ's could well be a distraction to
the group visitor who is looking for the FAQ's. My day job attention
to usability doesn't leave me when I take off the shoes.
Consequently, can we all pledge to include links to the FAQ's in every
post in this thread ? And, perhaps we should start a thread of
garbled quotes for those who do not want to provide links to the
FAQ's?
* * * * * * * *
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
them are these two:
http://www.quotationspage.com/
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
positive results.
Frank Lynch
MJConover7
>I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend
>to the death your right to say it.
> --The Diet of Worms to Martin Luther
Shouldn't that be: "We may not agree that you're right when you say it, but
we'll defend to your death that you agree with what we say."
---Michael
The Sanity Inspector
with usenet this thought:
>The Sanity Inspector said,
No, that was Voltaire. >;^D
Dov Alfon
the death the right of others. He was a very wise man and wouldn't dream of dying
for ideas, including his own. It's a misquotation of an early english biographer.
In fact, when a journalist once asked Voltaire to defend a young playwright that
was attacked for his play, he replied: "Voila bien du bruit pour une omelette"
(something like, that's quite a fuss for an omelet). But that quote wouldn't be a
nice teaching for pupils in the elementary grade...
ObQuote: "Monsieur, I would be much obliged if you could lunch with me tomorrow.
You will not have much fun because I have no wit; but your conversation would
allow me to turn witty the day after tomorrow, because I have memory" (opera
singer Sophie Arnould in a letter to Voltaire).
Patrick
--------------
If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining.
Sam Hobbs
attribution to Voltaire is as follows:
A frequently asked question and quotation on alt.quotations is who
said:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it.
--- (attributed) Voltaire (Francois-Marie Arouet; 1694-1778), French
writer.
I do not agree with a word that you say, but I will defend to the
death your right to say it.
--- Variation given by Will Durant: The Story of Philosophy, p.271.
The quote is really a misattribution or, depending on how liberal your
interpretation is, a paraphrase from Voltaire. It has sometimes been
misattributed to Rousseau or Alexander Hamilton, but the correct
misattribution is to Voltaire. Probably the best way to cite the quote
is as given above.
The background to this quote (according to Paul F. Boller, Jr. and
John George, They Never Said It, Oxford University Press, 1989, pp
124-126) is that, in 1758, the French author Helvétius wrote a book De
l'esprit (On the Mind) "setting forth the idea that selfishness and
the passions are the sole mainsprings of human actions and that there
are no such things as virtues and vices." The book was widely
condemned by both government and church authorities, and the issue
culminated in a public burning of the book by civil authorities and a
two year exile for the author. (It appears that censorship was taken
quite seriously in France at that time.) Voltaire was not impressed
with the book but disapproved of the censorship that resulted.
According to the 1941 Little, Brown edition of Bartlett's (as well as
later editions):
This quotation is not found verbatim in Voltaire's works. It seems to
originate in S.G. Tallentyre (E. Beatrice Hall): The Friends of
Voltaire (1907), where she employed it as a paraphrase of Voltaire's
words in the Essay on Tolerance: "Think for yourselves and let others
enjoy the privilege to do so." The editors are under obligation to Mr.
Harry Weinberger for establishing this point.
If this source is true (and it appears to be the most widely accepted
explanation), it has been commented by one of the alt.quotations
contributors that "it raises (or lowers?) paraphrase to the level of
pure invention."
Evelyn Beatrice Hall herself provided a somewhat different slant on
her paraphrase in a letter to the New York Times in 1935:
I believe I did use in it [The Friends of Voltaire] the phrase . . .
as a description of Voltaire's attitude to Helvétius book "On the
Mind" (De L'Esprit) -- and more widely, to the freedom of expression
in general. I do not think, and I did not intend to imply, that
Voltaire used these words verbatim, and should be surprised if they
are found in any of his works.
--- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
letter to the editor, New York Times, September 1, 1935.
A couple of directly related quotes from Helvétius and Voltaire are:
To limit the press is to insult a nation; to prohibit reading of
certain books is to declare the inhabitants to be either fools or
slaves.
--- Claude Adrien Helvétius (1715-1771), French philosopher, De
L'Homme, Vol. 1, sec. 4.
We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongues, at
our peril, risk and hazard.
--- Voltaire, "Liberty of the Press" in Philosophical Dictionary
(1764)
Bartlett's goes on to point out that Norbert Guterman, in A Book of
French Quotations (1963), suggests that the probable source for the
quotation is from a line in a letter to M. le Riche [February 6,
1770]: "Monsieur l'abbe, I detest what you write, but I would give my
life to make it possible for you to continue to write." which is a
clear demonstration that Voltaire certainly expressed the sentiment in
words far closer to the attribution than is suggested by the first
(and apparently more widely accepted) explanation.
In addition, both the Electronic Freedom Foundation Quotes Collection
and the "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics", Meet the Web page state
that the correct quote is as follows:
I never approved either the errors of his book, or the trivial truths
he so vigorously laid down. I have, however, stoutly taken his side
when absurd men have condemned him for these same truths.
--- Voltaire (often poorly paraphrased as "I disapprove of what he
says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it.")
This statement also has a strong appeal and certainly seems to be
consistent with the background information, but it has less
credibility without a detailed citation than the other information
listed above.
It is worth noting that the phony (or as they say today, "faux")
Voltaire quote appeared over the Letters to the Editor section of the
late New York Herald Tribune. One of the alt.quotations contributors
notes that, the Tribune, despite its sometimes off-the-wall,
right-wing editorials was a far better newspaper than the vastly
overrated New York Times is today. He also notes that, to its eternal
credit, the Tribune also employed Ernest Hemingway and other
expatriate Americans as foreign correspondents. Hemingway ascribed his
somewhat terse prose style to the penny-pinching Tribune editors who
objected to every superfluous word in his telegraphed dispatches from
France.
An interesting footnote (at least to me) is that, on June 18, 1997,
Sam Hobbs posted regarding this question (in complete ignorance of
what the future would bring): "This may be a frequently asked
quotation in the faq, but I am not certain." Well, it was not then,
but it is now. (Sam Hobbs)
Contributors from alt.quotations include: Col. G. L. Sicherman, Ed C.,
A. Wallen, T. Bruce Tober, Chris Hawkins, The Sanity Inspector,
Serenleono, Robert M. Wilson, LuliLuli, sjadams, James Adams (The
Grey-beard Loon) and Sam Hobbs
Regards, Sam
Patrick Dov
happy with my "omelet" addition), fascinated and curious, I went today to
the Bibliotheque Nationale de France, an horrible complex of ugly buildings
in the east of Paris, to look after the letter mentioned in the Bartlett's
(and therefore in the FAQ), [February 6, 1770]: "Monsieur l'abbe, I detest
what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to
continue to write."
I was curious because such quote does not appear in any French dictionary of
quotations, including the "Grand Robert des citations", that has 408 quotes
of Voltaire. It appears only in anglo-saxon anthologies - Encarta, Penguin,
Bartlett's etc.
I was told by the biographical staff, after 4 hours of research, that such
letter does not exist.
I was then told by a scholar of Voltaire, present in the Reading Room, not
to believe anything a French librarian might tell me about Voltaire. He was
so prolific his complete correspondence was never published, and not all the
letters are in France. I understand that the Oxford Society of Voltaire is
supposed to publish anytime this year the definite "complete works of
Voltaire", in French and English, and only then we could be sure of the
non-existence of a letter to a priest bizarrely called "Monsieur le Riche".
ObQuote: "In the case of news, we should always wait for the sacrament of
confirmation" (Voltaire, letter, 28 Aug. 1760).
Best Regards -
Patrick
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If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining.
Sam Hobbs a écrit dans le message <3b068b26...@news.mindspring.com>...
>If this is of interest, the current article in the FAQ re the
>attribution to Voltaire is as follows:
>(...)
>>Bartlett's goes on to point out that Norbert Guterman, in A Book of
>French Quotations (1963), suggests that the probable source for the
>quotation is from a line in a letter to M. le Riche [February 6,
>1770]: "Monsieur l'abbe, I detest what you write, but I would give my
>life to make it possible for you to continue to write." which is a
>clear demonstration that Voltaire certainly expressed the sentiment in
>words far closer to the attribution than is suggested by the first
>(and apparently more widely accepted) explanation.
>
(...)>
The Sanity Inspector
<cher_p...@noos.fr> shared with usenet this thought:
>A little ashamed of my nonchalant reply on such a feverish topic (but quite
>happy with my "omelet" addition), fascinated and curious, I went today to
>the Bibliotheque Nationale de France, an horrible complex of ugly buildings
>in the east of Paris,
Is one of them the Pompidou Center, which looks like a gigantic
hemorrhoid? >:^p
The Sanity Inspector
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
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it was hell.
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- The Dead Keynseans
Debbie
The Sanity Inspector wrote:
> Is one of them the Pompidou Center, which looks like a gigantic
> hemorrhoid? >:^p
Ugh.
I think Prince Charles had a little more elegance when describing the extension
to the National Gallery as "a monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend".
You remind me of Nixon saying that he did not mind the scrutiny of critics,
only their use of a proctoscope.
Has anyone got that quote?
The Sanity Inspector
shared with usenet this thought:
>
>
>
>
>> Is one of them the Pompidou Center, which looks like a gigantic
>> hemorrhoid? >:^p
>
>Ugh.
>
>I think Prince Charles had a little more elegance when describing the extension
>to the National Gallery as "a monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend".
Well, consider:
http://www.ics.meio-u.ac.jp/naka/GP02.JPG
William C Waterhouse
Sam Hobbs (samh...@mindspring.com) posted the FAQ article on
Voltaire, including:
> Bartlett's goes on to point out that Norbert Guterman, in A Book of
> French Quotations (1963), suggests that the probable source for the
> quotation is from a line in a letter to M. le Riche [February 6,
> 1770]: "Monsieur l'abbe, I detest what you write, but I would give my
> life to make it possible for you to continue to write." which is a
> clear demonstration that Voltaire certainly expressed the sentiment in
> words far closer to the attribution than is suggested by the first
> (and apparently more widely accepted) explanation.
I'll repeat a comment I posted some time last year:
Unfortunately, Bartlett's misunderstood Guterman's abbreviations.
The quotation immediately before this one in Guterman ("They say
that God is always on the side of the big battalions") comes from
the letter to M. le Riche. This one does not (I've checked to be sure),
and Guterman actually identifies it only as being at an unspecified
place in Voltaire's correspondence.
William C. Waterhouse
Penn State
MJConover7
>Debbie shared with usenet this thought:
>>The Sanity Inspector wrote:
>>
>>> Is one of them the Pompidou Center, which looks like a gigantic
>>> hemorrhoid? >:^p
>>
>>Ugh.
>>I think Prince Charles had a little more elegance when
>>describing the extension to the National Gallery as "a
>>monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend".
>
>Well, consider:
>
>http://www.ics.meio-u.ac.jp/naka/GP02.JPG
Oh, that inside-out piece of twisted nonsense! I've heard an architect
describe that as "what a building would look like if it became roadkill."
If architecture is frozen music, as Goethe said, this building is John Tesh's
Greatest Hits.
---Michael
The Sanity Inspector
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>Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
A panhandler came up to me the other day and said that a
decent provision for the poor is the true test of civilization. So I
bit him.
-- Henny Johnson
Frank Lynch
-- Don Vito Zepolli, The Dough Father Part II
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
Frank Lynch
survey the world with extensive view,
From China to Peru.
-- Samuel Santayana
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
The Sanity Inspector
<fra...@samueljohnson.com> shared with usenet this thought:
>A man's feet should be planted in his country, but his eyes should
>survey the world with extensive view,
>From China to Peru.
> -- Samuel Santayana
>
>Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
Music hath charms that don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.
-- Duke Congreve
Frank Lynch
- Ralph Waldo Kramden
The Sanity Inspector
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil, and boy
are their arms tired!
-- Henry David Youngman
The Sanity Inspector
>Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
"I refute it thus!" he said, and vanished in a puff of logic.
-- Douglas Johnson
Frank Lynch
-- Billy Bob Shakespeare
The Sanity Inspector
>Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
There is nothing to it. Simply program the right packets for
the right time, and usenet spams itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bot
Frank Lynch
-- Ohms Wilde
Frank Lynch
wrapped in a date, in a mystery inside bacon.
-- Sir Winston Martha Stewart
The Sanity Inspector
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
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I am an alien. Nothing human is a man to me.
-- Terence of Vulcan
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-- Freeper Dickens
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
David C. Kifer
>
> It was the worst of times, it was the New York Times...
> -- Freeper Dickens
ROTFL!
You've outdone yourself, Frank, that's perfect!
> Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
> http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
I appreciate you taking the time to post these, and I enjoy your
"mangled misquotes".
ObQuote:
Certain brief sentences are peerless in their ability to give
one the feeling that nothing remains to be said.
--Jean Rostand
--
Dave
"Tam multi libri, tam breve tempus!"
(Et brevis pecunia.) [Et breve spatium.]
Frank Lynch
-- Abraham Browning
David C. Kifer
>
> A man's legs should go beyond his body, or what's a floor for?
> -- Abraham Browning
ROTFL!
You do enjoy these, don't you?
So do I!
OBQ:
The profoundest thought or passion sleeps as in a mine, until
an equal mind and heart finds and publishes it.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
tmw
> ROTFL!
> You do enjoy these, don't you?
Someone who can write aphorisms should not fritter away his time in essays.
~Karl Kraus, in Harry Zohn's , Karl Kraus.
tmw
Frank Lynch
happens.
-- Woody Stallone
David McKay
--
David McKay
au/~musicke
Frank Lynch
> I'd love to see some more of these, Frank!
This actually took me a good 20 minutes... Once a week is enough, based on
the last time I added quotes to my web site...
The Sanity Inspector
Lynch shared with usenet this thought:
>
>David McKay wrote:
>
>> I'd love to see some more of these, Frank!
>
>This actually took me a good 20 minutes... Once a week is enough, based on
>the last time I added quotes to my web site...
Frank is too shy to direct you to his other fine addled aphorisms previous in
this thread, David. You can find them at groups.google.com, key-wording
searching the title of the thread.
David McKay
long as its paisley, imho.
Thanks Bruce.
--
David McKay
mus...@ozemail.com.au
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~musicke
Sheila Dundee
the FAQ maybe) ..in your spare time Frank?
OBQ
I have laboured to refine our language to grammatical purity, and to clear
it from colloquial barbarisms, licentious idioms and irregular combinations.
~S.J. The Rambler no.208
Sheila Dundee
___________________________________________________
> >> I'd love to see some more of these, Frank!
David C. Kifer
>
> Perhaps they warrant a little reference page all of their own somewhere (in
> the FAQ maybe) ..in your spare time Frank?
Frank is kind enough to post the FAQ reminders, and these thought-
provoking mangled misquotes along with them, for which we are grateful,
but Sam Hobbs has been taking care of the FAQ itself, lately. Come to
think of it, I haven't seen Sam for awhile, Real Life must be keeping
him busy. In any case...
I just spent some time at googlegroup searching/copying/pasting.
I now have a list of... 25 mangled misquotes; 15 from Frank, 10 from
others replying to Frank. I don't think this is a complete list, I
think there are probably at least a half dozen or more missing.
So, has anyone saved any these as they came through the group, or are
we all trying to find them now? Send me what you've saved, I'll try
to fit them in to what I found at google... :-)>
Then, when Sam gets a break from work, and drops by again, we
can see what he thinks about dropping them into the FAQ. If,
and only if, Frank agrees, of course...
A taste of the past:
OBMangledMisquote:
6 jun 2001 Frank Lynch posted:
Keep your friends close, but your canolli closer.
-- Don Vito Zepolli, The Dough Father Part II
[to which The Sanity Inspector replied]
There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil,
and boy are their arms tired!
-- Henry David Youngman
[posted and emailed, copy to Frank Lynch]
Frank Lynch
-- Oliver Mendel
The Sanity Inspector
eggs.
-- Woody Acton
On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:45:04 GMT, in <3B9610A0...@mail.verizon.net>, Frank
Lynch shared with usenet this thought:
--
Graham J Weeks
> Peas, sir, I want some more.
> -- Oliver Mendel
Jack - Climb every mountain
Beans - Please keep your feet off our pods
- - Jack and the Beans Talk
--
Graham J Weeks M.R.Pharm.S.
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/ My homepage of quotations
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- Hugh Shakespeare, "Henry the Hefner"
David C. Kifer
>
> Once more, into her breeches!
> - Hugh Shakespeare, "Henry the Hefner"
Frank has done it again! :-)>
Thanks, Frank, I appreciate these "mangled maxims"!
Perhaps especially, now...
ObQ:
When women kiss it always reminds one of prize fighters shaking hands.
-- H.L. Mencken, "Sententiae", 1916
Donna L. Bridges
<3BA8C698...@sky-access.com> "David C. Kifer"
<dki...@sky-access.com> wrote:
>When women kiss it always reminds one of prize fighters shaking hands.
>-- H.L. Mencken, "Sententiae", 1916
Obviously he's thinking of A-frame kisses between non-feminists,
definitely between non-lesbians.
And, in reply to Sheila's recent Camille UGH Paglia Q, let me offer,
...
"Ellen! Oh, my God, I didn't tell you. I met Ellen DeGeneres
last night, and I'm in love. I'm so in love! I've never had such great
sex! No wonder lesbians are lesbians." - Anne Heche to her agent the
morning after she met Ellen DeGeneres
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
"This is the second Pearl Harbor. I don't think that I overstate it."
- US Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska, about the WTC Attack 9/11/01
Sheila Dundee
between non-lesbians.
>great>sex! No wonder lesbians are lesbians." - Anne Heche to her agent
the>morning after she met Ellen DeGeneres
Small correction -I indeed posted concerning sex and relationships under
the Header "Sane Sex Living".
Another poster replied with a Camille Paglia quote:
"It's so tiring to make love to women, it takes forever. I'm too
lazy to be a lesbian"
btw, I understand Ms Heche is now several months pregnant, and planning to
marry the father of her child.
*Not that there's anything wrong with that*
OBQ
Feminism is a theory. Lesbianism is a practice.
~Ti-Grace Atkinson, speech (1970) quoted in Sappho was a Right-On Woman
(1972)
Sheila Dundee
____________________________
Frank Lynch
snip extraneous content, because this is an FAQ thread, we have in the past
agreed to include the part about the FAQ's in all replies. It would be
dissatisfying for someone to click on a message w/ the subject header "FAQ" and
not find the appropriate links.
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
them are these two:
http://www.quotationspage.com/
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
positive results.
Donna L. Bridges
<10009792...@tux.bear.eu.org> "Sheila Dundee"
<hone...@granite.net.au> wrote:
>Another poster replied with a Camille Paglia quote:
Oops, sorry, I must have had mixed attributions when I was reading it.
>btw, I understand Ms Heche is now several months pregnant, and planning to
>marry the father of her child.
> *Not that there's anything wrong with that*
They were married on 9/1/01 in what I've heard was a truly beautiful
wedding. He seems to adore her & she seems to be very happy.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
"Seldom, very seldom, does complete truth belong to any human
disclosure; seldom can it happen that something is not a little
disguised or a little mistaken." - Jane Austen, Emma (1816)
Dolores
Are quotes being taken from other threads and replied to here?
I've lost the thread of this conversation.
Could it be that my server isn't downloading the entire thread?
---Dolores
ObQ-"All men [and women] by nature desire to know." -Aristotle
Sheila Dundee <hone...@granite.net.au> wrote in message
news:10009792...@tux.bear.eu.org...
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Lynch <frank....@mail.verizon.net>
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: FAQ's for alt.quotations
> It's not that I'm afraid to cry. I just don't want to be there when it
> happens.
> -- Woody Stallone
>
Dolores
> Obviously he's thinking of A-frame kisses... [snip]
> DonnaB
What are A-frame kisses?
I don't understand the phrase.
TYIA
---Dolores
ObQ-"All men by nature desire to know." -Aristotle
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Donna L. Bridges
<3bab8...@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com> "Dolores"
<salty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com> wrote
>> Obviously he's thinking of A-frame kisses... [snip]
>> DonnaB
>
>What are A-frame kisses?
>I don't understand the phrase.
>TYIA
Imagine an A-frame house, or even a ladder, open. Now apply that to
the image of 2 women exchanging a kiss of greeting but they only touch
at the apex & get further & further apart from there down to their
feet. I imagine that was the kind of kiss being described by the man
in the quote I was referring to [he] compared to other kinds. HTH
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
Wish you were here ... http://www.villagevoice.com/
"There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." -
Henry Kissinger
Frank Lynch
should repeat the note about the FAQ's.
* * * * *
A note to all: where usenettiquette suggests that thread replies
judiciously
snip extraneous content, because this is an FAQ thread, we have in the
past
agreed to include the part about the FAQ's in all replies. It would be
dissatisfying for someone to click on a message w/ the subject header
"FAQ" and
not find the appropriate links.
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
Sheila Dundee
understand what you were getting at...too many big words like *judiciously
snip extraneous content* ;-)
I may not have been around when the netiquette was discussed.. however,
after much deliberation....am I correct in paraphrasing..
*Because this thread has FAQ in the header , and will appear on any google
search when FAQ is entered, it would be useful for the searcher to find at
least a link to FAQ contained in this post*
Apologies as an offender.
OBQ
Some words / bedevil me
~ Audre Lorde, Undersong (1992)
_____________________________
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
them are these two:
http://www.quotationspage.com/
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
positive results.
Frank Lynch wrote in message >A note to all: where usenettiquette suggests
Frank Lynch
> I am sorry Frank. When you posted this message before I really did not
> understand what you were getting at...too many big words like *judiciously
> snip extraneous content* ;-)
> I may not have been around when the netiquette was discussed.. however,
> after much deliberation....am I correct in paraphrasing..
> *Because this thread has FAQ in the header , and will appear on any google
> search when FAQ is entered, it would be useful for the searcher to find at
> least a link to FAQ contained in this post*
> Apologies as an offender.
Pretty close - - it's not just a google thing, though. Different users' ISP's
retire posts at different rates, so it could well be an issue even w/o using
Google.
I am not offended, you big lug. It's just that 'usability' is part of my job,
and I ALWAYS think about what links might mean. Big hugs.
* * * * *
Sheila Dundee
>retire posts at different rates, so it could well be an issue even w/o
using
Much to my disgust mine has changed and is now
*retiring *them after a week instead of a month.
OBQ
Power without responsibility - the prerogative of the harlot throughout the
ages
~ Rudyard Kipling (remark about news barons -quoted 1931)
Sheila "the Lug" Dundee ;-)
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Dolores
"Dolores" <salty...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com> wrote
> >> Obviously he's thinking of A-frame kisses... [snip]
> >> DonnaB
> >
> >What are A-frame kisses?
> >I don't understand the phrase.
> >TYIA
>
> Imagine an A-frame house, or even a ladder, open. Now apply that to
> the image of 2 women exchanging a kiss of greeting but they only touch
> at the apex & get further & further apart from there down to their
> feet. I imagine that was the kind of kiss being described by the man
> in the quote I was referring to [he] compared to other kinds. HTH
Thanks for the reply to my question.
It's the only thing I understand in this thread.
I give up.
ObQ:
"One learns in life to keep silent and draw one's own confusions."
-Cornelia Otis Skinner (1901 - 1979) US actress, author
---Dolores, who finds it hard to keep silent...
Donna L. Bridges
<3bac4...@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com> "Dolores"
<salty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks for the reply to my question.
>It's the only thing I understand in this thread.
>I give up.
Oh, no, don't give up, what else remains of confusion? I replied both
to a quote in this thread & a related quote in another thread, both,
in general, speaking of women & either affection or sex if not both.
And, I attributed one of the quotes I was replying to & commenting on
[the Camille Paglia one] to Sheila from Down Under when she was also
just replying to it not posting it from the get-to, oops. And, I
didn't know about the local tradition to always keep the FAQ info in
every post in the FAQ thread so snipped it, out of well-intentioned
habit. Howzat? We getting anywheres?
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
Wish you were here ... http://www.villagevoice.com/
"Man, when perfected, is the best of animals, but, when separated from
law and justice, he is the worst of all." - Aristotle
Lemming
>Howzat? We getting anywheres?
Almost. You still keep forgetting this bit: -
>Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
>
>People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
>wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
>There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
>them are these two:
>
>http://www.quotationspage.com/
>http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
>
>Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
>positive results.
ObQuote:
"Children aren't happy without something to ignore, and that's what
parents were created for."
-- Ogden Nash
--
Lemming
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrödinger's cat.
Donna L. Bridges
<9o2pqt8i1jaiom4nb...@4ax.com> Lemming
<l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>>Howzat? We getting anywheres?
>
>Almost. You still keep forgetting this bit: -
Well, since I changed the subject line I would think that would be
sufficient. Mebbe not. [shrug]
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
Wish you were here ... http://www.villagevoice.com/
"Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from
the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilised by
education; they grow there, firm as weeds among stones." - Charlotte
Bronte, Jane Eyre
Lemming
>On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:11:06 +0100, in alt.quotations
><9o2pqt8i1jaiom4nb...@4ax.com> Lemming
><l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Howzat? We getting anywheres?
>>
>>Almost. You still keep forgetting this bit: -
>
>Well, since I changed the subject line I would think that would be
>sufficient. Mebbe not. [shrug]
Ah, I didn't spot that. My newsreader threads by the references:
header, and not by the subject line (well, it does that too, but it
uses the references header by preference) and so your post, and my
reply, and your reply, and my reply, all appear in the FAQ thread.
>Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
>
>People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
>wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
>There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
>them are these two:
>
>http://www.quotationspage.com/
>http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
>
>Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
>positive results.
ObQuote:
"I'm sure someone would tell me if I was supposed to be doing
something else."
-- Calvin
Donna L. Bridges
<tq4pqtsg5gjr72dc5...@4ax.com> Lemming
<l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>Well, since I changed the subject line I would think that would be
>>sufficient. Mebbe not. [shrug]
>
>Ah, I didn't spot that. My newsreader threads by the references:
>header, and not by the subject line (well, it does that too, but it
>uses the references header by preference) and so your post, and my
>reply, and your reply, and my reply, all appear in the FAQ thread.
Yes, mine threads correctly, too, although I could opt to have it
thread wrong. <G> So, yes, does appear in the thread but I made a
point of changing the subject line in one branch of this thread, a bit
back.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
Wish you were here ... http://www.villagevoice.com/
"Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to
give it to others." - William Allen White
Frank Lynch
> Well, since I changed the subject line I would think that would be
> sufficient. Mebbe not. [shrug]
There is the additional issue of thread drift... IMO you'd (plural you)
have done well to start a new thread w/ a subject header more
approrpiate to your topic...
* * * * *
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
Donna L. Bridges
<3BAC980D...@mail.verizon.net> Frank Lynch
<frank....@mail.verizon.net> wrote:
>"Donna L. Bridges" wrote:
>
>> Well, since I changed the subject line I would think that would be
>> sufficient. Mebbe not. [shrug]
>
>There is the additional issue of thread drift... IMO you'd (plural you)
>have done well to start a new thread w/ a subject header more
>approrpiate to your topic...
Simply because it was the FAQ thread? Well, basically, since it was
commentary on other's quotes that was ALL it was, then, I probably
wouldn't have posted at all in this instance.
I truly hope we're not mountaining a molehill.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
Wish you were here ... http://www.villagevoice.com/
"We are not permitted to choose the frame of our destiny. But what we
put into it is ours." - Dag Hammarskjold
Dolores
> >Thanks for the reply to my question.
> >It's the only thing I understand in this thread.
> >I give up.
>
> Oh, no, don't give up, what else remains of confusion? I replied both
> to a quote in this thread & a related quote in another thread, both,
> in general, speaking of women & either affection or sex if not both.
> And, I attributed one of the quotes I was replying to & commenting on
> [the Camille Paglia one] to Sheila from Down Under when she was also
> just replying to it not posting it from the get-to, oops. And, I
> didn't know about the local tradition to always keep the FAQ info in
> every post in the FAQ thread so snipped it, out of well-intentioned
> habit. Howzat? We getting anywheres?
I guess what confuses me is the fact that the FAQ topic seems to be a
catch-all for all kinds of conversations as long as they mention FAQ somewhere
in the post. Is this some kind of inside joke or tradition with the veterans
of a.q?
I wonder if this might confuse newcomers and discourage posters.
---Dolores
ObQ:
"The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."
-Ellen Parr (1901 - 1966) US movie, producer
Donna L. Bridges
<3bae6...@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com> "Dolores"
<salty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I guess what confuses me is the fact that the FAQ topic seems to be a
>catch-all for all kinds of conversations as long as they mention FAQ somewhere
>in the post. Is this some kind of inside joke or tradition with the veterans
>of a.q?
Since anything is fodder for topic drift, where the name of the thread
may or may not get immediately changed to reflect that & since any
quote in a sig or tagline or ObQuote can be on a subject at variance
with the rest of the thread, how in the world can we not have topic
drift?!! That's rhetorical. We can, we do & my heavens, we don't want
to discourage it, as its as natural as the night following the day.
But, I don't think generally speaking that the posting of the FAQ info
itself attracts either more or less of it. I just think lately that
quite by coincidence the inclusion of Questionable Quotes has provoked
replies as have some specific unrelated sig, tag or ObQuotes.
In the vein of Mixed Metaphors & Fractured Fairy Tales, ...
Questionable Quotes?
Quacked Quotes?
Queered Quotes?
Quixotic Quotes?
>I wonder if this might confuse newcomers and discourage posters.
I really doubt it. But, honestly, if anyone finds anything confusing,
they should just ask. Clearly, honest well-intentioned questions are
taken as just that here. No traps, well, at least, not those. <G>
Personally, if we are to begin to fret about confusing people, etc.
then, shouldn't we look to finding a way to have a simple one-life
pointer to all the FAQ info even if that URL is just a pointer itself
to the various related docs?
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
Frequently sought quotations @
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"This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others, but it
will end in a manner and an hour of our choosing." - President George
W. Bush
Dolores
> >I guess what confuses me is the fact that the FAQ topic seems to be a
> >catch-all for all kinds of conversations as long as they mention FAQ
somewhere
> >in the post. Is this some kind of inside joke or tradition with the
veterans
> >of a.q?
>
> Since anything is fodder for topic drift, where the name of the thread
> may or may not get immediately changed to reflect that & since any
> quote in a sig or tagline or ObQuote can be on a subject at variance
> with the rest of the thread, how in the world can we not have topic
> drift?!! That's rhetorical. We can, we do & my heavens, we don't want
> to discourage it, as its as natural as the night following the day.
> But, I don't think generally speaking that the posting of the FAQ info
> itself attracts either more or less of it. I just think lately that
> quite by coincidence the inclusion of Questionable Quotes has provoked
> replies as have some specific unrelated sig, tag or ObQuotes.
> DonnaB
I certainly don't mind "topic drift", as you call it. Often the most
interesting conversations begin when we go off on tangents. New subject-titles
are often created this way. However, the FAQs are special because they offer
serious guidelines to a.q. and it seems strange to mix the guidelines with
off-topic discussions.
My concern has nothing to do with the "questionable quotes" you mentioned.
Even before I saw the "questionable quotes", I wondered about the off-topic
comments within the FAQ topic, even though I found them amusing.
---Dolores
ObQ:
"It is not what we learn in conversation that enriches us. It is the elation
that comes of swift contact with tingling currents of thought."
-Agnes Repplier (1858 - 1950) US essayist
"Compromises, The Luxury of Conversation," 1904
Donna L. Bridges
<3bae7...@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com> "Dolores"
<salty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I certainly don't mind "topic drift", as you call it. Often the most
>interesting conversations begin when we go off on tangents. New subject-titles
>are often created this way. However, the FAQs are special because they offer
>serious guidelines to a.q. and it seems strange to mix the guidelines with
>off-topic discussions.
Yes, and even the posts that act as pointers to the FAQs are special,
sure, but, they are also posts, threads; it's not as if they can be
posted as read-only, although their posters COULD make that request as
a part of the posting should they desire to.
>My concern has nothing to do with the "questionable quotes" you mentioned.
What is it your concern has to do with then? That's one of the main
things where people have replied to FAQ pointer posts with content
that quickly becomes uninvolved in pointing to the FAQs! LOL
>Even before I saw the "questionable quotes", I wondered about the off-topic
>comments within the FAQ topic, even though I found them amusing.
Okay, now you've confused me. I have no idea what posts you might be
referring to. <G>
--
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children." - Herodotus
Graham J Weeks
> DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
> Frequently sought quotations @
> http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
>
Thank you for the unsolicited advert :-)
--
Graham J Weeks M.R.Pharm.S.
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/ My homepage of quotations
http://www.grace.org.uk/churches/ealing.html Our church
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Before you complain, read the Book.
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The Sanity Inspector
me as Joey Bishop to his Johnny Carson.
Blessed is he who expects nothing, for that's the way to bet.
-- Damon Pope
>Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
>
>People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
>wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
>There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
>them are these two:
>
>http://www.quotationspage.com/
>http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
>
>Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com and altavista.com's advanced search also frequently leads to
>positive results.
--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
--The Jam
The Sanity Inspector
-- Irving Jefferson
Frank Lynch
therefore, as a free man, ask not what your country will bake for you, but what
you will bake for your country.
- - John F. Kennedy
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
them are these two:
http://www.quotationspage.com/
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
positive results.
Frank Lynch
Donna L. Bridges
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
"This is our second Pearl Harbor, right here in the nation's capital
and New York City." - US Sen. John Warner, R-VA, about the WTC Attack
9/11/01
The Sanity Inspector
<shall...@rcn.com> shared with usenet this thought:
>So, why is this "FAQ's" and not "FAQs"?
Hmm, never noticed it before. 'Tweren't my idea...
Donna L. Bridges
<3bbbd629...@news.mindspring.com> choll...@mindspring.com (The
Sanity Inspector) wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:15:25 -0400, Donna L. Bridges
><shall...@rcn.com> shared with usenet this thought:
>
>>So, why is this "FAQ's" and not "FAQs"?
>
>Hmm, never noticed it before. 'Tweren't my idea...
Well, I bring it up because pointing at it would seem to be the first
step in thinking about or talking about changing that.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
"As for the U.S. response to the September 11 attackers, it should be
fierce and unrelenting, serving the cause that animates virtually all
just wars: establishing the peace in a way that half-measures and
wishful negotiations never can." - Rich Lowry
The Sanity Inspector
<shall...@rcn.com> shared with usenet this thought:
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 03:23:56 GMT, in alt.quotations
><3bbbd629...@news.mindspring.com> choll...@mindspring.com (The
>Sanity Inspector) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:15:25 -0400, Donna L. Bridges
>><shall...@rcn.com> shared with usenet this thought:
>>
>>>So, why is this "FAQ's" and not "FAQs"?
>>
>>Hmm, never noticed it before. 'Tweren't my idea...
>
>Well, I bring it up because pointing at it would seem to be the first
>step in thinking about or talking about changing that.
You never know--it could be someone's subtle "Ghandi"-type dig
at lazy english usage.
Donna L. Bridges
<3bbdb427...@news.mindspring.com> choll...@mindspring.com (The
Sanity Inspector) wrote:
> You never know--it could be someone's subtle "Ghandi"-type dig
>at lazy english usage.
That's true, since I think I recall Fred Ghandy's character on LOVE
BOAT as having spelled it that way once.
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"The Sanity Inspector" <choll...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:15:25 -0400, Donna L. Bridges
> <shall...@rcn.com> shared with usenet this thought:
>
> >So, why is this "FAQ's" and not "FAQs"?
>
> Hmm, never noticed it before. 'Tweren't my idea...
Until about the 1970s (or should that be the 1970's) it was usual to include
an apostrophe in the plurals of numbers and abbreviations. It has fallen out
of use because the experts (i.e. someone who is sufficiently friendly with a
publisher) felt it was unnecessary.
Some would argue that *faq's* would be better but *faqs* would be a problem.
ObQ.:
We also serve who only punctuate.
--Brian Moore
Kevin G. Barkes
include
> an apostrophe in the plurals of numbers and abbreviations. It has
fallen out
> of use because the experts (i.e. someone who is sufficiently
friendly with a
> publisher) felt it was unnecessary.
>
> Some would argue that *faq's* would be better but *faqs* would be a
problem.
Ok, let me argue the point. ;-)
The apostrophe should be used exclusively for contractions (don't) or
possessives (Bob's).
--
Regards,
KGB
Who, as a cub reporter, had to stand on the rim in the newsroom and
read aloud the AP Stylebook's rules on the subject to an audience of
bemused ink-stained wretches (remember typewriters?) who had also
undergone similar humiliation.
I also learned that the numbers one through ten should be spelled in
stories, but eleven and higher should be represented as numerals (11).
ObQuote:
Some editors are failed writers, but so are most writers.~T.S. Eliot
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and before posting, thought it advisable to read the Frequently Asked
Questions. (This is good behavior, and should be rewarded.) Imagine if
you found a message with that in the subject header, clicked on it, and
found no discussion of the aforesaid? Would your good behavior have been
rewarded?
You don't know how long the ISP of visitors to this group retain postings,
and yours may be the first in the thread that's shown. Please, whenever
posting in this thread, copy the following...
Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
them are these two:
http://www.quotationspage.com/
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
positive results.
Frank Lynch
William C Waterhouse
> Until about the 1970s (or should that be the 1970's) it was usual to include
> an apostrophe in the plurals of numbers and abbreviations. It has fallen out
> of use because the experts (i.e. someone who is sufficiently friendly with a
The change started before that. Here is an excerpt from the
"Orthography" section of the _Merriam-Webster New Collegiate
Dictionary_ (6th ed; 1951):
"Plurals of letters, figures, signs, abbreviations, and words
named merely as words ae formed by adding -s. An apostrophe
which according to the older convention regularly preceded
the -s is omitted by more and more writers and printers
where no ambiguity is likely..."
William C. Waterhouse
Penn State
The Sanity Inspector
distances, with a million chimpanzees pounding keyboards in the
interstices between the intersections.
-- Samuel Johnson, _A Dictionary of the Internet_
>>Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
>>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
>>http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
>>
>>People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
>>wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
>>There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
>>them are these two:
>>
>>http://www.quotationspage.com/
>>http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
>>
>>Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com also frequently leads to
>>positive results.
>>
>>Frank Lynch
>>The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at
>>http://www.samueljohnson.com/
>>
>
Frank Lynch
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I figured I was OK.
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Two pages compete for the title FAQ's:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/quotations/part1/
http://www.mindspring.com/~samhobbs/alt-quotations/index.html
People at this newsgroup are happy to help, but in order to use time
wisely, it often makes sense to check elsewhere on the web first.
There are several excellent quotations resources on the web... Among
them are these two:
http://www.quotationspage.com/
http://www.weeks-g.dircon.co.uk/these_you_have_sought_on_a.htm
Searching at http://www.alltheweb.com and http://groups.google.com/
also frequently leads to positive results.
Frank Lynch
The Sanity Inspector
Nothing is at last sacred.
-- Ralph Waldo Voltaire