"have you no shame?"
danny burstein
ok, I -know- this is a famous quote, but it isn't in the usual source
(Bartlett's 16th). Can anyone point me in the proper direction?
thanks
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Richard A Reitmeyer
hearings, but I can't remember if that was
"At long last, sir, have you no shame?" or
"At long last, sir, have you no sense of decency?"
---so I'm getting rusty. Anyone with a better memory?
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Alyosha Bourgea
>My first guess was that it was from the Army vs McCarthy
>hearings, but I can't remember if that was
>"At long last, sir, have you no shame?" or
>"At long last, sir, have you no sense of decency?"
>---so I'm getting rusty. Anyone with a better memory?
The quote from the hearings, according to my text, is:
"Have you no sense of decency, sir?"
The quote "have you no shame?", however, is probably without definite origin.
I'd bet it's been in use for centuries.
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>My first guess was that it was from the Army vs McCarthy
>hearings, but I can't remember if that was
>"At long last, sir, have you no shame?" or
>"At long last, sir, have you no sense of decency?"
>---so I'm getting rusty. Anyone with a better memory?
I'm quoting from memory, too, but I think it was
"Have you no decency, sir? Have you no decency at long last?"
which the representative of the Army shouted at McCarthy.
"Have you no shame?" is so short that it must be ubiquitous. I doubt if
there's any single "first usage."
danny burstein
>gor...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard A Reitmeyer) writes:
>>My first guess was that it was from the Army vs McCarthy
>>hearings, but I can't remember if that was
>>"At long last, sir, have you no shame?" or
>>"At long last, sir, have you no sense of decency?"
>>---so I'm getting rusty. Anyone with a better memory?
thanks to all who've reso;nded so far. it seems that the "actual" quote is
from Joseph Nye Welch in front of the McCarthy committee, June 9, 1954, in
which he said (per Bartlett's 16th ed, p.680):
Until this moment, Senator, I think I never
really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness...
Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?
Have you left no sense of decency?
thanks again. If anyone -does- find the "have you no shame" quote itself,
please let me know.
thanks
danny
Haavard Fosseng
thanks to all who've reso;nded so far. it seems that the "actual" quote is
from Joseph Nye Welch in front of the McCarthy committee, June 9, 1954, in
which he said (per Bartlett's 16th ed, p.680):
Until this moment, Senator, I think I never
really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness...
Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?
Have you left no sense of decency?
Could someone please post some info on who Joseph Nye Welch is/was?
H}vard Fosseng
Daniel B Case
>I'm quoting from memory, too, but I think it was
>
>"Have you no decency, sir? Have you no decency at long last?"
>
>which the representative of the Army shouted at McCarthy.
Joseph Welch. The context was an attack by McCarthy on a young lawyer in Welch's
firm, Fred Fisher, who had once belonged to some communist-front or alleged
communist-front lawyers' organization while in law school. Welch knew about this
and so did McCarthy-they had agreed earlier not to mention it, in return for
Welch not bringing up Roy Cohn's questionable draft status (he had told the
board he planned to attend OCS but did not). Welch said "Have you no sense of
decency, sir, at long last?" and punctured for once and all McCarthy's aura.
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Daniel B Case
As I said, he was Army counsel in the Army-McCarthy hearings. Outside of that,
he was a Boston lawyer. I don't know any more.
edgar pearlstein
>ok, I -know- this is a famous quote, but it isn't in the usual source
>(Bartlett's 16th). Can anyone point me in the proper direction?
I don't know whether this is the first use of the phrase, but is was asked
of Senator Joseph McCarthy, in the Army-McCarthy hearings of c. 1954, by the
lawyer for the Army: Joseph Welch.
G W Owen
>In article <HAAVARDF.93...@gluon.uio.no>, haav...@gluon.uio.no (Haavard Fosseng) writes...
>>In article <297bji$i...@panix.com> dan...@panix.com (danny burstein) writes:
>>
>> thanks to all who've reso;nded so far. it seems that the "actual" quote is
>> from Joseph Nye Welch in front of the McCarthy committee, June 9, 1954, in
>> which he said (per Bartlett's 16th ed, p.680):
>>
>> Until this moment, Senator, I think I never
>> really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness...
>>
>> Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?
>> Have you left no sense of decency?
>>
>>Could someone please post some info on who Joseph Nye Welch is/was?
>
>As I said, he was Army counsel in the Army-McCarthy hearings. Outside of that,
>he was a Boston lawyer. I don't know any more.
>
If you actually want to HEAR this quotation can I point you towards the
R.E.M. track 'Exhuming McCarthy' which has the second sentence in full over the
middle 8, taken from documentary footage of the hearing.
Gaz Owen
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