Don't trust anyone over 30

[John McSoley]

I thought it was Abbie Hoffman. I saw it quoted as Bob Dylan. Anyone
know?

[Jeffrey E Salzberg]

In article <3a9819f1....@news.together.net>, jmcs...@ix.netcom.com
says...

> I thought it was Abbie Hoffman. I saw it quoted as Bob Dylan. Anyone
> know?
>

'T'wasn't Dylan. Might not have been Hoffman, though. I (vaguely)
remember it as having been Jerry Rubin.
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[Frank Lynch]

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:46:19 GMT, Jeffrey E Salzberg <salz...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <3a9819f1....@news.together.net>, jmcs...@ix.netcom.com
> says...
> > I thought it was Abbie Hoffman. I saw it quoted as Bob Dylan. Anyone
> > know?
> >
>
> 'T'wasn't Dylan. Might not have been Hoffman, though. I (vaguely)
> remember it as having been Jerry Rubin.
> --

Bartlett's 16th ed. credits Jack Weinberg (1940- ):

"We have a saying in the movement that we don't trust
anybody over thirty." (1964 interview)

Frank Lynch
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[William Austin]

> > > I thought it was Abbie Hoffman. I saw it quoted as Bob Dylan. Anyone
> > > know?
> > >
> >
> > 'T'wasn't Dylan. Might not have been Hoffman, though. I (vaguely)
> > remember it as having been Jerry Rubin.
> > --
>
> Bartlett's 16th ed. credits Jack Weinberg (1940- ):
>
> "We have a saying in the movement that we don't trust
> anybody over thirty." (1964 interview)

I thought it was from Timothy Leary but this says Tom Hayden and says it is
actually much older.

The long hair and sandals, the free love communes, the macrobiotic food, the
liberated lifestyles, had been designed at the turn of the century, and
thoroughly field-tested by various, Frankfurt School-connected New Age
social experiments like the Ascona commune before 1920. (See box.) Even Tom
Hayden's defiant "Never trust anyone over thirty," was merely a less-urbane
version of Rupert Brooke's 1905, "Nobody over thirty is worth talking to."
The social planners who shaped the 1960's simply relied on already-available
materials.

http://www.propaganda101.com/frankfurt.htm

The land he built his cabin on belonged to Emerson, though in his own
version of the sixties dictum that you can't trust anyone over thirty
Thoreau vehemently denied all debts: "I have lived some thirty years on this
planet," he wrote in Walden, "and I have yet to hear the first syllable of
valuable or even earnest advice from my seniors. They have told me nothing,
and probably cannot tell me anything to the purpose." Shown is a rare "first
gathering" of Walden's first signature.

http://www.rwe.org/pages/em_influences.htm

but then: http://www.fsm-a.org says Never trust anyone over 30! Jack
Weinberg 1964

And http://paulandrews.manilasites.com/2001/01/14 says: It was Mario
Savio, the UC Berkeley activist of the '60s, who said never trust anyone
over 30. If Bob Dylan ever said it, he was probably referencing Savio. In
any case, it is hardly a quote (or lyric) that Dylan is known for.

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[John McSoley]

Thanks for looking into it. The discussion came up on a listserv for
a group of people who were in high school in Ankara, Turkey during
the sixties and early seventies. I was keenly interested in what was
going on in the U.S. at the time, but had to follow it from afar. By
the time I got back in June 1969 the whole country had changed.

[Ed C]

It is attributed to Jack Weinberg. The story goes that a reporter went to
the UC-Berkeley campus in 1964 to write a feature story about student
protests. Weinberg was interviewed and told the reporter: "We have a saying
in the movement that you can't trust anyone over 30." Jerry Rubin took
credit for the popularizing the saying in his book, "Growing (Up) at 37."
Other protestors at the time took up the slogan also.

Ed

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[tmw]

Weinberg 1st November 1964 in an interview with reporter of San Francisco
Chronicle.
Weinberg was trying to deflect an *attack* that students were acting out of
communist-inspired conspiracy.
Weinberg told Ralph Keyes, author of They Never said It (1992) that he
believed the words were original to him but he had described them as a
*Movement Saying * merely to give them more zing
tmw
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