john meow <and they played 2 songs for me and thanked me from stage...>
hi colleen! B^}
i dont wanna be bitter (well at least more bitter than usual) but
there is something that bothers me about going on line to simply tell
the punk rock world:
a) you know a band
b) they inflated your ego by singling you at out at the show
(in front of all the impressionable boys and girls)
All this unprovoked name dropping is what is making this whole punk
thing to be a frustrating sham of a clique. A clique that this
newsgroup very often personifies,
ugh,
-adrian grenier
":-],
"Not impressed with who knows who"
>> i just sorta wanted to brag that the groovie ghoulies, with their new punk rock
>> all-star drummer dan panic, are asleep in my room upstairs.
>> i'll post a show review on monday, but they, chixdiggit and the muffs all rocked,
>> in that order of rockitude.
>That's cool!
>> oh yeah, they all have tamagotchis too! ;^P
>>
>> john meow <and they played 2 songs for me and thanked me from stage...>
>> hi colleen! B^}
>So, like, if I go to their show here in a couple of weeks or whenever it
>is and tell them I know you, they'll do cool nice stuff for me?
>Kat
>can't offer touring bands a place to crash because she has the world's
>second-smallest apartment
>*********
>alt.fan.tank-girl: http://www.columbia.edu/~kc106/tank/
CHIXDIGGIT ARE THE STOOPIDEST BAND IVE SEEN IN MY DUM LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey there's nothing wrong with being bitter, so long as you draw
the line at twisted...
> All this unprovoked name dropping is what is making this whole punk
> thing to be a frustrating sham of a clique.
The whole punk thing has *always* been a frustrating sham of a clique
from the moment the bands that might rival the Pistols were chucked
off the Anarchy tour all the way through to the present day. C'est la
vie I'm afraid. Humanity just seems to be naturally tribal and status-
obsessed and it's probably expecting too much for punks to be any
different in that regard. Just try and ignore it and enjoy the music
is my advice.
> A clique that this newsgroup very often personifies,
Ah that old chestnut. I suspect there's not a lot to be done about it.
People talk on here, they make friends with each other, et voila, soon
you have a clique filling the place with in-jokes and personal
references. And, of course, closing ranks in the face of attacks from
outsiders...
...Speaking of which, I'm kinda bewildered. Billy makes unprovoked,
crude, derogatory comments about Joanie with nary a word of rebuke from
the in-crowd. Karl does likewise to Zab and the sf posse and its
associates are at his throat like a pack of rottweilers. Why the apparent
double standard ? I'm sure Zab certainly doesn't need that sort of shit at
the moment, but then nor does Joanie either. I hope it's got nothing to do
with Billy being friendly with the NG "elite" while Karl isn't, otherwise
this place really has become the worst sort of clique IMO. One set of
standards for "us" and another for "them" and all that.
"You are the arbiter of taste, self-appointed and without face."
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Yeah I hate that crap.
I mean I got shitfaced with GBH
I used to live down the street from John Stabb
My ex-wife went to the same HS as Henry Rollins.
I used to frequent the Tower Records in Georgetown that Ian Mackaye used
to work at.
Tesco Vee and I used to hang out at toy shows together and he may actually
remember my name.
My friends beat up Black Flag in Baltimore
and you don't hear *me* bragging or name dropping!
Sheesh, only losers do that shit.
(actually I could go on for about a half an hour if we moved into a
discussion of HC or metal, I'd better stop now tho)
- Karl Groves: Misanthrope without peer
Do not bother e-mailing me, you have nothing of interest to say.
<snip my post, which i figured most people would take as a silly little
joke. i mean "punk rock all star dan panic"?"
> i dont wanna be bitter (well at least more bitter than usual) but
> there is something that bothers me about going on line to simply tell
> the punk rock world:
it's not like my first time on alt.punk or anything. it's not even my
first time doing that on alt.punk. i was just having a little fun talking
about my life. and there was a certain tongue in cheek element to the
whole thing, at least i intended for there to be one. i admit that i tend
to talk to the people in the bands, especially if i really like them, but
it's so i can get to know them as the people behind the music.
> a) you know a band
> b) they inflated your ego by singling you at out at the show
> (in front of all the impressionable boys and girls)
>
> All this unprovoked name dropping is what is making this whole punk
> thing to be a frustrating sham of a clique. A clique that this
> newsgroup very often personifies,
cliques are everywhere, in punk rock too adrian. but ya know, i just wanna
defend myself and punk a little bit here.
think about it. you go to, say, a big "alternative" show. there's 1000s of
people there, the band stays backstage, comes out, plays their songs, does
their pre-scripted banter establishing some sort of "rapport" with the
audience, walks off, waits 5 minutes and then graces you with an encore,
then leaves for their hotel. a few lucky young girls might get to "meet"
the band, and maybe a contest winner or two gets his backstage laminate
signed.
i went to a show where i had interviewed a band (this was in february),
introduced myself to all of them and offered them a place to sleep. i
showed them some of the cool places in my town, cos they had never been
here before. we get along really well, not in a band/fan way but as people
with common interests. when they come back, they are happy to see me and i
am happy to see them, and we hang out again. and while talking about how
much they love austin, they thank me for showing them the daniel johnston
painting. and before the show, they asked me what song i wanted to hear. i
thought that was cool. sure, it inflates my ego to be recognized from the
stage, just like it inflated my ego when some girl from a class 2 years
ago recognized me at a show and talked to me for a while. i don't see
anything wrong with that.
but, since it seems that i have rubbed a few people the wrong way, and
since i was not successful in properly expressing my points the first
time, i'll keep it to myself or to e-mail from now on.
john meow <can't address the internet clique issue>
--
john lowe, fiercest kitten in the alley young lion i.s.a.
hip...@mail.utexas.edu alt.punk 4 horseman and wu-tang clan
"it's okay, it's alright just to be awake with you" -- cub
"it's impossible to look at a penguin and remain angry" -- bill
"I just hope that I'm never so empty that I don't feel angry and sad
about something precious being threatened." -- colleen morgan
> but, since it seems that i have rubbed a few people the wrong way, and
> since i was not successful in properly expressing my points the first
> time, i'll keep it to myself or to e-mail from now on.
>
> john meow <can't address the internet clique issue>
>
well john,
i found your story interesting and entertaining ... i would have like to
have been in your place.
however, if you're not careful, you'll be accused of sounding like max
volume!!
max volume
RecoilRex wrote:
>
> I used to frequent the Tower Records in Georgetown that Ian Mackaye used
> to work at.
Ask Ian about the time I came in and pissed on all the disco records!
Yeah, I bet he'll never forget that! He had to kick me out!
Totally.
> Yeah I hate that crap.
> I mean I got shitfaced with GBH
> I used to live down the street from John Stabb
> My ex-wife went to the same HS as Henry Rollins.
> I used to frequent the Tower Records in Georgetown that Ian Mackaye used
> to work at.
> Tesco Vee and I used to hang out at toy shows together and he may actually
> remember my name.
> My friends beat up Black Flag in Baltimore
>
> and you don't hear *me* bragging or name dropping!
> Sheesh, only losers do that shit.
> (actually I could go on for about a half an hour if we moved into a
> discussion of HC or metal, I'd better stop now tho)
Hey.. don't forget the time you bit live chicken's heads off with Venom!
-- Rat
-- www.fed-up.com
Odd isn't it that everyone seems to have taken this opportunity
to say, "Yeah, I mean, I know this person and that person and the other
person but you don't see ME bragging about it!"...
I mean, the fact that I know Jeff Ott, Mike Shulgrin, Barry
Manilow, that electronic Japanese popstar, Popeye, the lost Fourth
Stooge, Elvis (he's not dead), Snap, Krackle (I was gonna meet Pop but he
had the flu that day), God, Buddha, the drag queen Eddie Murphy was
caught with, most of the original Mouseketeers, most of the 41st
Airborne, Richard Moll's hairstylist, Lisa Simpson, Benji, Flipper, and
the ghost of Jimmy Hoffa has no bearing on anything I say and I don't see
why I should even bother sharing those facts with you all, much less in a
thread criticising name dropping.
I mean, I talked to my friend Snuffelupagus (he lets me call him
"Snuffy") and he said that nothing irks him so much as having his name
dropped to lend credibility to otherwise silly arguments.
_____
"You can stop eating animals if you want to, but who's gonna stop the
animals from eating you?" HICKEY
"Life is short, life is shit, and soon it will be over..." BRAIN CANDY
"No, FUCK YOU clown!" RON GREER
> On 13 Jul 1997 07:57:15 GMT, hip...@mail.utexas.edu (john lowe)
> wrote:
>
> >i just sorta wanted to brag that the groovie ghoulies, with their new punk rock
> >all-star drummer dan panic, are asleep in my room upstairs.
i just sorta wanted to tell you YOU'RE STUPID.
[snip]
: ...Speaking of which, I'm kinda bewildered. Billy makes unprovoked,
:crude, derogatory comments about Joanie with nary a word of rebuke from
:the in-crowd. Karl does likewise to Zab and the sf posse and its
:associates are at his throat like a pack of rottweilers. Why the apparent
:double standard ? I'm sure Zab certainly doesn't need that sort of shit at
:the moment, but then nor does Joanie either. I hope it's got nothing to do
:with Billy being friendly with the NG "elite" while Karl isn't, otherwise
:this place really has become the worst sort of clique IMO. One set of
:standards for "us" and another for "them" and all that.
:
Let me attempt to explain, Joseph...
*ahem*
Billy doesn't mean it. We know that. He's trying to get Joanie's
goat because he wants her to lose her cool with him on the NG and
really show her fangs but (much to her credit) she's above that sort
of thing, so everything Billy returns, Joanie gets slammed a couple
times and typically someone asks him to stop via email and he does.
Karl, on the otherhand, is a genuine, bonafide asshole who has been
nothing but confrontational, agressive, insulting and dimwitted ever
since the sorry moment he became bored enough with shooting steroids
into his legs to come and take a virtual dump on the newsgroup.
Basically, in a nutshell, Billy don't mean it, Karl does.
Oh, and I am glad you've returned. We need your wit and intelligence
here like you wouldn't believe.
-TEX
No more mister nice guy.
"This posting was brought to you by the coalition to stop idiocy on the net."
I spamblock... if I wanted email from you, you'd know my address.
Well your "explanation" seems to me to just confirm my basic point.
In effect, you're saying Billy's one of your pals, who generally goes
easy on those in your closest circle, so his trolling is indulged
and even applauded. And if and when you feel a rebuke is necessary you
do it privately by e-mail so it's all kept nice and cosy and not in
front of the servants dear.
Whereas Karl isn't your pal, he attacks you and your cronies, so
you've gotta all gang up on him and give him a spanking in public
to teach him a lesson and serve as a warning to anyone else who
might have the temerity to dissent too much from the clique party
line on here.
Ok I'm exaggerating somewhat for effect here but I think my point is
clear. That's how it looks on the outside. You see I don't know
Billy or Karl at all. I've know idea whether either or both of
them really "means" it. (Although I suspect neither does.) All I
see is two trolls trying to upset people for their own amusement
and often succeeding. They're both nice to a few people and nasty
to most others. Fuck they even both rate about equally on my personal
chuckleometer (can sometimes be funny although tend to rely too much
on coarse abuse).
Basically, in a nutshell, you and your posse treat Billy and Karl
radically differently even though they *behave* almost identically
on here. And that's pure clique I'm afraid. Perhaps you've all now
become so deeply mired in it, you can't even see how it looks from
the outside any longer ?
And this is my last word on the matter, 'cos I really don't wanna
get involved in the alt.punk.soap.opera aspects of this place at
all these days. This NG and every poster on it exists solely to
provide raw material for my personal entertainment. Resistance is
futile, you will be satirised.
> Oh, and I am glad you've returned. We need your wit and intelligence
> here like you wouldn't believe.
Whatever.
"The air in here is dead industrial exhausted."
> Hmmm.
>
> Odd isn't it that everyone seems to have taken this opportunity
> to say, "Yeah, I mean, I know this person and that person and the other
> person but you don't see ME bragging about it!"...
>
> I mean, the fact that I know Jeff Ott, Mike Shulgrin, Barry
> Manilow, that electronic Japanese popstar, Popeye, the lost Fourth
> Stooge, Elvis (he's not dead), Snap, Krackle (I was gonna meet Pop but he
> had the flu that day), God, Buddha, the drag queen Eddie Murphy was
> caught with, most of the original Mouseketeers, most of the 41st
> Airborne,
ad infinitum
Man Alex, you've been on a role lately.
Still don't want my single tho, huh?
Joanie
> Oh, and I am glad you've returned. We need your wit and intelligence
> here like you wouldn't believe.
>
NOTHING GOES ON IN EMAIL
>
> Whereas Karl isn't your pal, he attacks you and your cronies, so
> you've gotta all gang up on him and give him a spanking in public
> to teach him a lesson and serve as a warning to anyone else who
> might have the temerity to dissent too much from the clique party
> line on here.
H AH AH AH HA H AH AH AH AH H AH AH AH HAH AH HA H A
I HATE WHEN I AGREE WITH YOU JD
>
> Ok I'm exaggerating somewhat for effect here but I think my point is
> clear. That's how it looks on the outside. You see I don't know
> Billy or Karl at all. I've know idea whether either or both of
> them really "means" it. (Although I suspect neither does.) All I
> see is two trolls trying to upset people for their own amusement
> and often succeeding. They're both nice to a few people and nasty
> to most others. Fuck they even both rate about equally on my personal
> chuckleometer (can sometimes be funny although tend to rely too much
> on coarse abuse).
YAH WELL FUCK YOU ASSHOLE
H AH AH AH HA H AH AH AHHA H AH AH
I LOVE THIS PLACE
HAH AH HAH AH AH AH AH H AH AH HA H AH AH A
>
> Basically, in a nutshell, you and your posse treat Billy and Karl
> radically differently even though they *behave* almost identically
> on here. And that's pure clique I'm afraid. Perhaps you've all now
> become so deeply mired in it, you can't even see how it looks from
> the outside any longer ?
THEM DRUGS YER DOIN DID THIS FOR YOU
WOW THATS SOME PRETTY NEAT SHIT
YER IN TOP FORM JD
>
> And this is my last word on the matter, 'cos I really don't wanna
> get involved in the alt.punk.soap.opera aspects of this place at
> all these days. This NG and every poster on it exists solely to
> provide raw material for my personal entertainment. Resistance is
> futile, you will be satirised.
H AH AHAHHAH AH AH AH AH H AHAHH AH HA H A
YUK YUK YUK
YOU FUCKIN TWIT
HAH AHAHAH AHHAHAH AH AH H AH AH HA
MY FUCKIN CHEEKS ARE HURTIN
>
> > Oh, and I am glad you've returned. We need your wit and intelligence
> > here like you wouldn't believe.
>
> Whatever.
REALLY DUDE
WE MISSED YOU
KISS KISS
BILLY
H AHAH HA H AH AH HAH AHHA H AH HA H A
SNICKER SNICKER
BILLY
>
>In <33cf9c51...@news.concentric.net> cee...@cris.com (- CJ -)
>writes:
>>
>>reco...@aol.com (RecoilRex) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I used to frequent the Tower Records in Georgetown that Ian Mackaye
>used
>>>to work at.
>>
>>>- Karl Groves: Misanthrope without peer
>>
>>I used to steal from the bookstore Dave Smalley worked at...
>>
>>
>>- C.J.- S.T.P. - B.H.C.-
>
> Joey Ramone is on the new Furious George album.
What the fuck are you doing man? Trying to advertise for George?
HA HA HA!
Of course you know, I was just kidding and didn't mean anything by what I just said.
JOE SELBY IS A COPROPHAGIAC!! FLONK FLONK FLONK BUDDY!!!
(just kidding again)
-Karl
First, I agree with a lot of what Adrian said.
But I also see why John posted that story, it's something that was fun
for him and it was typical John Lowe. I didn't really think too much
about it. Wasn't I all excited to have Ignite stay at my house? Trust
me, I was.
On to this portion of our program:
In article <33CE42...@worldnet.att.net>
BILLY HARRIGAN <may...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> TEX Storm: more bored than you wrote:
> >
> > J.D...@shef.ac.uk spoke such words of wisdom as are rarely seen on
> > this on any other world...:
> >
> > [snip]
> > : ...Speaking of which, I'm kinda bewildered. Billy makes unprovoked,
> > :crude, derogatory comments about Joanie with nary a word of rebuke from
> > :the in-crowd. Karl does likewise to Zab and the sf posse and its
> > :associates are at his throat like a pack of rottweilers. Why the apparent
> > :double standard ? I'm sure Zab certainly doesn't need that sort of shit at
> > :the moment, but then nor does Joanie either. I hope it's got nothing to do
> > :with Billy being friendly with the NG "elite" while Karl isn't, otherwise
> > :this place really has become the worst sort of clique IMO. One set of
> > :standards for "us" and another for "them" and all that.
> > :
> >
> > Let me attempt to explain, Joseph...
> > *ahem*
> >
> > Billy doesn't mean it. We know that. He's trying to get Joanie's
> > goat because he wants her to lose her cool with him on the NG and
> > really show her fangs but (much to her credit) she's above that sort
> > of thing, so everything Billy returns, Joanie gets slammed a couple
> > times and typically someone asks him to stop via email and he does.
I'm not sure Joe's comparing Karl and Billy is a great analogy, but in
some respects it works. I *would* like to know how everyone supposedly
knows what Billy thinks. For some reason, Billy is considered cool and
everyone *does* applaud his antics. I'm not the only one he rags on,
whether he means it or not. I'm not sure what started the whole
bullshit with Giancarla. Or Dr. Badass for that matter, that came out
of nowhere. But it's okay cuz it's our Billy and we'll just let him
rant. We'll just let him slam people because he doesn't really mean
it.
I don't think this next person really is Billy.
> CMON NOW THATS NOT FAIR
> NOBODY EMAILS ME TO STOP
> AND IF I REALLY MUST EXPLAIN THE JOANIE THING
> PAY ATTENTION
> CAUSE IM ONLY GONNA DO THIS ONCE
> JOANIE IS THE ONLY REGULAR ON THIS GROUP THAT I HAVENT HAD THE PLEASURE
> OF BREAKING
> IVE PISSED OFF MOST OF THE REST OF YOU PRETTY BAD
This is bullshit. I said I thought you were an idiot when you first
came sreaming on this newsgroup, maybe a couple others did too, but I
thought you were a tool and I think that's the first time Joe Downs saw
someone called a "douchebag". But none of the regulars ever got
bullshit posts the way I did. There was never any shit about Zab or
Hester or pretty much anyone else except the limey attacks. But yeah,
it was all just a big joke.
> I DONT SEE MYSELF BREAKING HER IN THE NEAR FUTURE
> SO MY HALF HEARTED ATTACKS ON HER ARE MORE LIKA A SALUTE
> I THINK YOU HAVE ALL COME TO EXPECT ME TO DO IT
> AND I DONT THINK SHE LOSES ANY SLEEP OVER ME
>
> ITS KINDA MY WAY OF SAYIN HI
> NOW I THOUGHT ALL THIS WAS CLEAR
> KISS KISS JOANIE
Whatever.
> > Karl, on the otherhand, is a genuine, bonafide asshole who has been
> > nothing but confrontational, agressive, insulting and dimwitted ever
> > since the sorry moment he became bored enough with shooting steroids
> > into his legs to come and take a virtual dump on the newsgroup.
> >
> H AH AH AH HA H AH AH AH HA H AHH HA H AH AH H AH A
> THAT SHOULD FIRE EM UP JOE
Karl is confrontational, there's no denying that. But to join ranks
with Oona and Kortney for a minute, he's been totally cool to me and
that's how I have to judge him, for the most part. Yeah, I wish he'd
just chill and stay quiet sometimes but I'm afraid he thrives on
spouting off, just as some others do.
snip troll rating
I don't know, Phil's right. Part of me wants to quote Rodney King
again but it ain't never gonna happen.
Joanie
> Serious thanks to you, Joe Downs for finally stepping in.
> To be honest with you, I was hoping some of *my* friends would jump in,
> but nevertheless, it is good to see someone with a head on their shoulders
> put some reason into what has gone waaaay farther than I am sure any of us
> wanted it to go.
>
> HA HA HA!
> Of course you know, I was just kidding and didn't mean anything by what I just said.
>
> JOE SELBY IS A COPROPHAGIAC!! FLONK FLONK FLONK BUDDY!!!
> (just kidding again)
You brought all of it on yourself, Hormone Boy. While your blatant
misogyny doesn't hurt me (I mean, how can I be hurt by someone I can't
even take seriously), I imagine it's more of a problem for you, you can't
keep your yap shut about it. You must realise, however, that Joe Downs
was in no way defending you. He was merely stating that he thought Billy
was offensive to people he considers part of *his* closest circle, whereas
you were offending people (or so you hoped) who are not. Har de har.
Flame on, genius.
Hester
> BILLY HARRIGAN <may...@worldnet.att.net> spoke such words of wisdom as
> are rarely seen on this on any other world...:
>
> [snip]
>
> :KARL IS BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT AN ASSHOLE
> :BUT I DEFEND HIS RIGHT TO BE AN ASSHOLE
> :JUST BECUSE YER BORN A FEW CHROMASOMES SHORT
> :DONT MEAN THERE AINT NO ROOM FOR YOU HERE
> :
> :
> :IM KINDA PROUD OF THE LITTLE FUCK FACE
> :AND YES JUSTIN
> :YOU TOO
> :
> :
> :NOW GO MY LITTLE MINIONS
> :CAUSE MORE TERROR
> :BREED MORE PAIN
> :REVIL IN YOUR TIME
> :THE STAGE IS YOURS
> :
>
>
> To every leaf, turn, turn, turn...
>
> :
> :
> :
> :
> :NOW JOE
> :THE LITTLE LOVELY HAS TOLD ME HOW YOU HELPED HER THRU HARD TIMES
> :AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DID THIS
> :AND I LOVE YOU BECAUSE OF IT
> :YER SO GALLANT
> :
>
> Hey, I'd do the same for you Billy, and to be totally honest, I'd do
> the same for Karl, were he really in pain and suffering. I'm not
> gallant, I've just suffered plenty in my life and I hate to see others
> do likewise, especially real, deep-seeded pain. I'll do just about
> anything to abate the pain of another human, even if that is a futile
> and ultimately worthless undertaking.
sorry joe, but i do believe it is "deep-SEATED" not "deep-seeded."
important grammar tips to carry you safely thru the millenium.
<snip>
>
> Actually, what I'd really love to see at this point is Hester and Zab
> take out their collective anger on him. They could kick his ass with
> both hands tied behind their backs if they wanted to. He thinks he's
> a tough-guy but he's never been to the depths either of those two
> women have been to. And no man should ever talk about his pain
> threshold unless he's prepared for menstrual cramps once a month.
>
oh god. joe, you REALLY didn't need to pull the "sensitive new-age guy
feminist empathy" shtick here. that's just gonna get people mad at you.
thanks...
-pete
__________________________________
Peter Solderitsch
pushovers web central:
http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~petey/pushovers
:>
:> Hey, I'd do the same for you Billy, and to be totally honest, I'd do
:> the same for Karl, were he really in pain and suffering. I'm not
:> gallant, I've just suffered plenty in my life and I hate to see others
:> do likewise, especially real, deep-seeded pain. I'll do just about
:> anything to abate the pain of another human, even if that is a futile
:> and ultimately worthless undertaking.
:
:sorry joe, but i do believe it is "deep-SEATED" not "deep-seeded."
:
You know, I thought so too, but I was recently correct on this one by
a professional editor... and of course we all know that someone who
spends all their time correcting people must be right, don't we?
:important grammar tips to carry you safely thru the millenium.
:
Here's a little factoid for you:
The millenium will actually happen next summer. In fact, it's rather
well known in the scientific community that our current calendar is
missing about two years.
Boy will you all be surprised when that ship lands.
:<snip>
:>
:> Actually, what I'd really love to see at this point is Hester and Zab
:> take out their collective anger on him. They could kick his ass with
:> both hands tied behind their backs if they wanted to. He thinks he's
:> a tough-guy but he's never been to the depths either of those two
:> women have been to. And no man should ever talk about his pain
:> threshold unless he's prepared for menstrual cramps once a month.
:>
:
:oh god. joe, you REALLY didn't need to pull the "sensitive new-age guy
:feminist empathy" shtick here. that's just gonna get people mad at you.
:
People, mad, at me? on this newsgroup?
Mad at, *me*?
I simply will not accept it.
-TEX
-TEX
No Mercy!
[Snip mutual exchange of some really rather unimpressive insults. D- to
both of you.]
> You must realise, however, that Joe Downs
> was in no way defending you. He was merely stating that he thought Billy
> was offensive to people he considers part of *his* closest circle, whereas
> you were offending people (or so you hoped) who are not.
Wow so now I'm getting spin-doctored from both sides. Ho hum, maybe
Howard DeVoto could write a song about it...
Ok, for the record, straight from the horse's mouth, accept no further
re-interpretation from any other party on here, (especially ones that
are far from disinterested) here's the unvarnished, bare-bone reprise
of my previous post:
1)I'm not defending Karl, insulting Zab was way outta line IMO and if he
had a shred of honour he'd apologise. I just don't like selective lynch
mobbing based on who's backing who (as Mohr put it ages back) either.
2)Please leave me out of anymore of this crap in future. Most
certainly do not send me further abusive e-mail relating to it
(that means you "Tex"). Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like
me when I'm angry...
"He knew no allegiance, a free man in thought and deed."
its always the same
this group hasnt changed a fuckin bit since the first day i showed up
you just went thru what i went thru that first week or so
you piss them off
they bark n threaten killfile
then comes the call to arms
then they all rally round each other for comfort
then yer cast into the pit
things cool off
you piss them off
they bark n threaten killfile
then comes the call to arms
then they all rally round each other for comfort
then yer cast into the pit
things cool off
you piss them off
they bark n threaten killfile
then comes the call to arms
then they all rally round each other for comfort
then yer cast into the pit
things cool off
you piss them off
they bark n threaten killfile
then comes the call to arms
then they all rally round each other for comfort
then yer cast into the pit
things cool off
my rev bill post was a slap in ther faces
and they never even grasped it
so dont go beaten yerself dude
over these fuckin scumbags
BILLY
Explain where this term came from. It plagues me.
--Dr. Badass
>
Joe Momma
I jerk off because Jesus said it was O.K.
> joa...@wmbr.mit.edu (Joanie) wrote:
> > Man Alex, you've been on a role lately.
>
> Hmmm, and what role might that be ? I kinda see him as Luke Skywalker
> to Selby's Yoda or something.
Yoda! Wow! Hey, even better than Steve Buscemi!
I, however, do not whine so much as Luke, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
That, and I can use the light saber (read electron beam) quite well
without his help, thank you. And I am as hopeful that he'll teach me to
levitate as I am that he'll teach me how to shop at Rochester's Big and
Tall.
> Haha, hoisting a spell-check nazi by her own petard, that's gotta be
> like banging down "quixotic" on a triple word score...
Is someone keeping track of this or something?
Ya know, I'm tempted to rip off rec.arts.drwho and start the
alt.punk quote file... the month's best twenty or so quotes stuck in a
file and put on whoever the hell is getting around to making the official
alt.punk page's page.
> <Jello voice>
> Rollin', rollin', rollin'...mumblety-mumblety-mumble...RAWHIDE !
Thou art more literate than I, sir.
> > Still don't want my single tho, huh?
>
> Foolish fellow. Obi-Wan obviously hasn't taught him well.
Fuck that Skywalker shit, I wanna be Wedge.
Anyway, if Selby is Yoda, who is Obi-Wan? Hell, it could easily
be Joanie herself, huh?
Hmmmm... I'm gonna make my first new post since I started yelping
about the Peechees...
>In article <33CDF4...@shef.ac.uk>, Joe Downs <J.D...@shef.ac.uk>
>writes:
>
>>
>>TEX Storm: more bored than you wrote:
>>>
>>> J.D...@shef.ac.uk spoke such words of wisdom as are rarely seen on
>>> this on any other world...:
>>> [snip]
>>> : ...Speaking of which, I'm kinda bewildered. Billy makes unprovoked,
>>> :crude, derogatory comments about Joanie with nary a word of rebuke
>>> :from the in-crowd. Karl does likewise to Zab and the sf posse and its
>>> :associates are at his throat like a pack of rottweilers. Why the
>>> :apparent double standard ? I'm sure Zab certainly doesn't need that
>>> :sort of shit at the moment, but then nor does Joanie either. I hope
>>> :it's got nothing to do with Billy being friendly with the NG "elite"
>>> :while Karl isn't, otherwise this place really has become the worst
>>> :sort of clique IMO. One set of standards for "us" and another for
>>> :"them" and all that.
>>>
>>> Let me attempt to explain, Joseph...
>>> *ahem*
>>>
>>> Billy doesn't mean it. We know that. He's trying to get Joanie's
>>> goat because he wants her to lose her cool with him on the NG and
>>> really show her fangs but (much to her credit) she's above that sort
>>> of thing, so everything Billy returns, Joanie gets slammed a couple
>>> times and typically someone asks him to stop via email and he does.
>>>
>>> Karl, on the otherhand, is a genuine, bonafide asshole who has been
>>> nothing but confrontational, agressive, insulting and dimwitted ever
>>> since the sorry moment he became bored enough with shooting steroids
>>> into his legs to come and take a virtual dump on the newsgroup.
>>>
>>> Basically, in a nutshell, Billy don't mean it, Karl does.
>>
>>Well your "explanation" seems to me to just confirm my basic point.
>>In effect, you're saying Billy's one of your pals, who generally goes
>>easy on those in your closest circle, so his trolling is indulged
>>and even applauded. And if and when you feel a rebuke is necessary you
>>do it privately by e-mail so it's all kept nice and cosy and not in
>>front of the servants dear.
>>
>>Whereas Karl isn't your pal, he attacks you and your cronies, so
>>you've gotta all gang up on him and give him a spanking in public
>>to teach him a lesson and serve as a warning to anyone else who
>>might have the temerity to dissent too much from the clique party
>>line on here.
>>
>>Ok I'm exaggerating somewhat for effect here but I think my point is
>>clear. That's how it looks on the outside. You see I don't know
>>Billy or Karl at all. I've know idea whether either or both of
>>them really "means" it. (Although I suspect neither does.) All I
>>see is two trolls trying to upset people for their own amusement
>>and often succeeding. They're both nice to a few people and nasty
>>to most others. Fuck they even both rate about equally on my personal
>>chuckleometer (can sometimes be funny although tend to rely too much
>>on coarse abuse).
>>
>>Basically, in a nutshell, you and your posse treat Billy and Karl
>>radically differently even though they *behave* almost identically
>>on here. And that's pure clique I'm afraid. Perhaps you've all now
>>become so deeply mired in it, you can't even see how it looks from
>>the outside any longer ?
>>
>>And this is my last word on the matter, 'cos I really don't wanna
>>get involved in the alt.punk.soap.opera aspects of this place at
>>all these days. This NG and every poster on it exists solely to
>>provide raw material for my personal entertainment. Resistance is
>>futile, you will be satirised.
>>
>>> Oh, and I am glad you've returned. We need your wit and intelligence
>>> here like you wouldn't believe.
>>
>>Whatever.
>
>Serious thanks to you, Joe Downs for finally stepping in.
>To be honest with you, I was hoping some of *my* friends would jump in,
>but nevertheless, it is good to see someone with a head on their
shoulders
>put some reason into what has gone waaaay farther than I am sure any of
us
>wanted it to go.
>
>HA HA HA!
>Of course you know, I was just kidding and didn't mean anything by what I
>just said.
>
>JOE SELBY IS A COPROPHAGIAC!! FLONK FLONK FLONK BUDDY!!!
>(just kidding again)
>
>-Karl
>
>
SHUT UP ASS KISSER!!
>
>Hester <hes...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> On 17 Jul 1997, RecoilRex wrote:
>>
>> > Serious thanks to you, Joe Downs for finally stepping in.
>> > To be honest with you, I was hoping some of *my* friends would jump
in,
>> > but nevertheless, it is good to see someone with a head on their
>shoulders
>> > put some reason into what has gone waaaay farther than I am sure any
of
>us
>> > wanted it to go.
>
>[Snip mutual exchange of some really rather unimpressive insults. D- to
>both of you.]
>
>> You must realise, however, that Joe Downs
>> was in no way defending you. He was merely stating that he thought
Billy
>> was offensive to people he considers part of *his* closest circle,
whereas
>> you were offending people (or so you hoped) who are not.
>
>Wow so now I'm getting spin-doctored from both sides. Ho hum, maybe
>Howard DeVoto could write a song about it...
>
>Ok, for the record, straight from the horse's mouth, accept no further
>re-interpretation from any other party on here, (especially ones that
>are far from disinterested) here's the unvarnished, bare-bone reprise
>of my previous post:
>
>1)I'm not defending Karl, insulting Zab was way outta line IMO and if he
>had a shred of honour he'd apologise. I just don't like selective lynch
>mobbing based on who's backing who (as Mohr put it ages back) either.
>
>2)Please leave me out of anymore of this crap in future. Most
>certainly do not send me further abusive e-mail relating to it
>(that means you "Tex"). Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like
>me when I'm angry...
>
>--
>J.D...@shef.ac.uk
>
>"He knew no allegiance, a free man in thought and deed."
>
>
Fucking traitor!
No one likes you!
>On 17 Jul 1997, RecoilRex wrote:
>
>> Serious thanks to you, Joe Downs for finally stepping in.
>> To be honest with you, I was hoping some of *my* friends would jump in,
>> but nevertheless, it is good to see someone with a head on their
shoulders
>> put some reason into what has gone waaaay farther than I am sure any of
us
>> wanted it to go.
>>
>> HA HA HA!
>> Of course you know, I was just kidding and didn't mean anything by what
I
>just said.
>>
>> JOE SELBY IS A COPROPHAGIAC!! FLONK FLONK FLONK BUDDY!!!
>> (just kidding again)
>
>You brought all of it on yourself, Hormone Boy. While your blatant
>misogyny doesn't hurt me (I mean, how can I be hurt by someone I can't
>even take seriously), I imagine it's more of a problem for you, you can't
>keep your yap shut about it. You must realise, however, that Joe Downs
>was in no way defending you. He was merely stating that he thought Billy
>was offensive to people he considers part of *his* closest circle,
whereas
>you were offending people (or so you hoped) who are not. Har de har.
>Flame on, genius.
>
>Hester
>
>
>
Shut up you stupid bitch!
You wish you knew what you were talking about!
[snip]
:> I like this thread so much, I am gonna respond to myself!!
:> FUCK! I can't think of anything older than Chuck Berry!!
:> ARGH!!!!!
:>
:> - Vinnie Sterngang
:
:actually, alex has got you beat. john lee hooker is, i believe, quite a
:bit older than chuck berry. i mean hell, i have john lee hooker
:recordings from the forties. and if alex is his dad, well shit, that
:means he's even older than, say, joe, or maxvolume!
:
Max, the boy's gettin' out of hand again.
I say this time we cut the whole damned thing off... see if'n that
don't teach him to mind his elders.
-TEX
-
The alt.punk gallery of SHAME!!!
http://www.bayarea.net/~toyboat/altpunk/
Take a look... if you dare.
> >
> > Haha, hoisting a spell-check nazi by her own petard, that's gotta be
>
> Explain where this term came from. It plagues me.
> --Dr. Badass
hoist by your own petard?
i learned it from "hamlet"
basically means something along the lines of "caught in your own web"
john meow <hungover but still remembers high school english>
--
john lowe, fiercest kitten in the alley young lion i.s.a.
hip...@mail.utexas.edu alt.punk 4 horseman and wu-tang clan
"it's okay, it's alright just to be awake with you" -- cub
"it's impossible to look at a penguin and remain angry" -- bill
"I just hope that I'm never so empty that I don't feel angry and sad
about something precious being threatened." -- colleen morgan
I really fucked up that time. Sorry.
> > > Still don't want my single tho, huh?
> >
> > Foolish fellow. Obi-Wan obviously hasn't taught him well.
>
> Fuck that Skywalker shit, I wanna be Wedge.
> Anyway, if Selby is Yoda, who is Obi-Wan? Hell, it could easily
> be Joanie herself, huh?
>
> Hmmmm... I'm gonna make my first new post since I started yelping
> about the Peechees...
>
And you notice Alex AGAIN ignores all reference to that
single.
Joanie
On 24 Jul 1997, john meow wrote:
> > Doctor Badass <jsu...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Haha, hoisting a spell-check nazi by her own petard, that's gotta be
> >
On 24 Jul 1997, SkyValley0 wrote:
> >> > Haha, hoisting a spell-check nazi by her own petard, that's gotta be
> >>
> >> Explain where this term came from. It plagues me.
> >> --Dr. Badass
>
> Kuno says it in an episode of Ranma 1/2. I doubt thats the origin tho...
> -xx Jeff xx
> 100% Evil Free
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doctor Badass wrote:
>
> > Actually, I just wanted to know what a petard was...
>
> Generally, a small explosive device.
THANK you. I knew I read that somewhere, but every time the
issue comes up people tell me its a fart. It ISN'T a fucking fart. It's
a MINE. Hoist by your own petard means blown up by your own little
mine.
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Hester wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doctor Badass wrote:
>
> > Actually, I just wanted to know what a petard was...
>
> Generally, a small explosive device.
>
> Hester
>
>
>
>
--Dr. Badass
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Tamagotchiface Killa wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Hester wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doctor Badass wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, I just wanted to know what a petard was...
> >
> > Generally, a small explosive device.
>
> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doctor Badass wrote:
>
> > Actually, I just wanted to know what a petard was...
>
> Generally, a small explosive device.
>
is that what it meant in shakespeare's time, as well?
cos i think of "hoist" as "to lift"
hmmmm, curiouser and curioser...
john <scared of all this intellectual talk on alt.punk>
PHIL 8)
In article <hipster-2507...@mac1.tsp.utexas.edu>,
> Actually, I just wanted to know what a petard was...
Generally, a small explosive device.
Hester
>I drank beer with Lynard Skinard and ZZ Top one night.
>
And they proceeded to take liberties with your asshole when you passed
out, don't forget that part!!!
Homonyms. They're the chink in your spell-check armour:
discrete/discreet.
bare/bear.
role/roll.
Tamagotchiface Killa <ale...@crl11.crl.com> wrote:
> > Anyway, if Selby is Yoda, who is Obi-Wan? Hell, it could easily
> > be Joanie herself, huh?
I'm sure you meant venerable in the sense of "worthy of reverence" rather
than "aged-looking" w.r.t. to her of course. ;-)
Same shtick, different day
:Alright, I'll take over from here. A petard is indeed a small medieval
:explosive device. It basically looked like a little wooden barrel, filled with
:gunpowder. The "hoist" part comes from the way petards were used - they
:were loaded onto the big medieval catapults - trebuchets - and hurled over
:enemy walls. So "hoisted by your own petard" literally means that you've
:gotten tangled into your own catapult, and are being launched along with your
:petard into the enemy defenses like something out of Monty Python's Holy Grail.
:Figuratively, it means that, in your efforts to do harm to another, you've
:ended up hurting yourself.
:
: PHIL 8)
:
Phil!!!!!!
*smooch*
*hug*
*pet*
*fondle*
How we've missed you.
>Phil!!!!!!
>*smooch*
>*hug*
>*pet*
>*fondle*
>How we've missed you.
Hey! Smooch, hug and pet I will allow, but *fondle* is
beyond the limits of good taste. I don't care if you're
openly gay.
Um. Hi Phil.
Hester
PHIL 8)
The Sheep and the Leek...hmmmm. Now THAT sounds like a good pub name.
PHIL 8)
In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.97073...@xs2.xs4all.nl>,
Hester <hes...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>On 30 Jul 1997, Phillip Orion Leckman wrote:
>
>> Trying to ruin my fun, are you?
>
>Err, not *all* of it. Just some of it.
>
>And I don't want to know about the sheep and the leek either. Please.
>A girl needs her dreams untainted you know.
>
>Hester
Hey, it's ok dear. He doesn't fondle me back.
-TEX
Did you say something about licking sheep?
mmmmm, mutton.
-TEX
f...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Phillip Orion Leckman) spoke such words of
wisdom as are rarely seen on this on any other world...:
:Ok, ok, we'll leave out the fondling...
:
:The Sheep and the Leek...hmmmm. Now THAT sounds like a good pub name.
:
: PHIL 8)
-
> hvdv...@kub.nl wrote:
>
> > -tex...@pacbell.net- (jaded_fuk) writes:
> >
> > >Phil!!!!!!
> > >*smooch*
> > >*hug*
> > >*pet*
> > >*fondle*
> > >How we've missed you.
> >
> > Hey! Smooch, hug and pet I will allow, but *fondle* is
> > beyond the limits of good taste. I don't care if you're
> > openly gay.
>
> Hey, it's ok dear. He doesn't fondle me back.
I see. Well, that changes everything, I guess.
You may consider yourself forgiven.
Hester
--
"Bah, feh, and pfffffttbbbb."
-- Zabet Gerber