i am *not* a frat boy wannabe!
john lowe
dammit!
i don't wear tan shorts.
i don't tuck my t-shirts in.
i don't wear ropers.
i have tattoos. and thye're on a visible part of my body.
the only greek organizations i belong to are academic honor societies.
soro girls won't talk to me, even when they're drunk.
i drink real cheap beer, like pearl and mickeys and olympia and schaefer
and schlitz and pabst blue ribbon. they drink bud and coors.
my dad isn't rich.
you can call me just about anything, but frat-boy wannabe is just mean.
john <who didn't even drink last night and had a great time!>
--
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hip...@mail.utexas.edu young lions i.s.a. ofc
"You know more useless information than anyone i ever met in my entire freakin' life" -- my roomie han le (after i whupped her at outburst)
"i'm the mistress de suave, and innuendo is next to godliness" -- gen-gen
"i got an ugly for your kiss" -- the peechees
LLivermore
>i drink real cheap beer, like pearl and mickeys and
>olympia and schaefer
I am constantly bewildered over why drinking lousy beer or eating lousy
food is considered some sort of badge of integrity in the punk community.
What you consume has a cumulative impact, and while adolescent bodies are
tough enough to absorb a lot of punishment, once you hit your 20s and 30s,
the ravages start to set in, and hard. People in ghettos are pitied
because they lack the education and sophistication to make wise
nutritional choices; middle class lifestyle rebels deliberately emulate
the underclass and call it cool style.
But you got one thing right: apart from the beer brands of choice and
clothing and hair styles, there's very little difference between frat rats
and punk rockers.
Hester van der Vinne
>you can call me just about anything, but frat-boy wannabe is just mean.
Gee John, I'd think anyone who knows anything at all about you would
realise that you're nothing like that. Which would make the accusation
so ridiculous that it's funny. Or I'm sure that's how it was intended.
Hester
M-8
john lowe wrote:
>
> i don't wear tan shorts.
> i don't tuck my t-shirts in.
> i don't wear ropers.
Don't deny it.
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john lowe
In article <bdk3-ya02318000...@news.duke.edu>,
bd...@acpub.duke.edu (Brad Kimmel) wrote:
> > john lowe wrote:
> > >
> > > i don't wear tan shorts.
> > > i don't tuck my t-shirts in.
> > > i don't wear ropers.
> Hey, wasn't that a Minor Threat song?
>
thanks for the laugh!
when i start my pop-punk band that only sings about austin, as a way to
counteract all the bay area groups and their songs, i'll be sure to cover
out of step and change the words!
john <umm, i tuck my t-shirts in when i wear a shirt over them!>
Jesse A. Sutton
What the fuck is a roper?
-Dr. Badass
john lowe
In article <5d3svs$6...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, jasu...@prairienet.org (Jesse
A. Sutton) wrote:
> What the fuck is a roper?
> -Dr. Badass
i thought it was dr. zoot?
anyway, ropers are a brand of cowboy boots.
most people think of the fancy, snakeskin pointy kind when they think of
cowboy boots.
ropers are like the basic, day-to-day cowboy boots. the full brand name is
justin ropers. when you go out to party, you wear something a little
fancier.
john <who hasn't worn cowbot boots since i was 4 years old>
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"You know more useless information than anyone i ever met in my entire freakin' life" -- my roomie han le (after i whupped her at outburst)
"i'm the mistress de suave, and innuendo is next to godliness" -- gen-gen
"i believe this world would be a better place if we only wore more cardigans" hester van der vinne
Spike
I was thinking that as well.....
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Lee Blackstone
In <5d3svs$6...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jasu...@prairienet.org (Jesse A.
Sutton) writes:
>
>
>What the fuck is a roper?
a landlord. duh.
mohr
Chris Cantor
Hey Larry.
dont confuse excess with lifestyle rebellion.
some of us middle class upstarts drink shitty beer
because its the only way we can afford to get drunk.
of course, its unhealthy, but the reason is not
neccessarily rebellion.
aboy
Genny DeSuave
I just shit my pants I laffed so hard.
genny
--
"No I don't prefer obscurity,
But I'm an idealistic girl.
And I wouldn't work for you
No matter what you paid.
And I may not be able
to change the whole fucking world,
but I could be the million
that you never made."
Phillip Orion Leckman
In article <19970202215...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
LLivermore <llive...@aol.com> wrote:
>>i drink real cheap beer, like pearl and mickeys and
>>olympia and schaefer
>
>I am constantly bewildered over why drinking lousy beer or eating lousy
>food is considered some sort of badge of integrity in the punk community.
>What you consume has a cumulative impact, and while adolescent bodies are
>tough enough to absorb a lot of punishment, once you hit your 20s and 30s,
>the ravages start to set in, and hard. People in ghettos are pitied
>because they lack the education and sophistication to make wise
>nutritional choices; middle class lifestyle rebels deliberately emulate
>the underclass and call it cool style.
I can sort of agree with this part. But what difference is there, really,
between drinking Buweiser and PBR, except that the PBR-drinker has more
money left over?
>
>But you got one thing right: apart from the beer brands of choice and
>clothing and hair styles, there's very little difference between frat rats
>and punk rockers.
Geezus, Larry, I swear -
Is this whole tortured cynic thing just for fun, or do you really believe
all the stuff you write? Or do you just have some sort of pathological
need to shit all over other people's idealism and enthusiasm? And why
do you stereotype everyone on this newsgroup as some sort of "typical"
street punk when you *know* that's not the case? If you want to keep
going with your "all punk rockers are shit" schtick, fine. But it makes
one wonder why you're so intimately involved with a label that produces
what nine out of ten people would call punk.
Maybe you're just trying to point out that not all fratboys are shit. Fine,
that's very noble of you, I guess. But then you should desist your
blatant generalizations of punks. John's no Spike Anarkie, nor are most
of the people on this newsgroup.
PHIL 8)
LLivermore
>what difference is there, really, between drinking
>Buweiser and PBR, except that the PBR-drinker has more
>money left over?
None, except perhaps that Pabst cans are marginally better looking.
Anyone who drinks either of these chemical swills on a regular basis has
got a problem. Yeah, it costs more to drink good beer and eat good food.
It's the way of the world. It also costs more to go to Stanford or
Harvard than it does to go to East Bumfuck Community College, but I don't
see too many of you dropping out of your universities because of that.
>Geezus, Larry, I swear -
>Is this whole tortured cynic thing just for fun, or do you
>really believe all the stuff you write? Or do you just
>have some sort of pathological need to shit all over other
>people's idealism and enthusiasm?
I don't think I'm a cynic, and I'm certainly not tortured. Of course I
believe what I write. If you consider it "shitting on people's idealism
and enthusiasm" to point out that punk rock these days is little more than
a social club, very much like fraternities, then I'm sorry, but I've been
calling it as I see it for too long to stop now. Some 20 years ago, when
I first started pointing out that the hippie subculture had turned into
very nearly the opposite of what it had once represented, people, some of
them old friends, were outraged. Now, of course, people on this NG
routinely bash hippies without a moment's hesitation. It's my aim to
point out to you that punk, as a social movement, has now reached a
similar point in its devolution. Many of you will realized this and move
on; others among you will, like the hippies, remain mired in the past for
the rest of your lives mocked and pitied by young and old alike.
>And why do you stereotype everyone on this newsgroup as
>some sort of "typical" street punk when you *know* >that's not the case?
I don't. Most of them aren't street punks. As I said, it's a college kid
social club. Like, um, a fraternity...
>If you want to keep going with your "all punk rockers are
>shit" schtick, fine.
I don't think they're "shit" in any sense. I've met quite a few of them.
Nice people, mostly. I wouldn't waste my time saying anything if I didn't
think they were a) capable of understanding my point and possibly
benefitting from it; and, b) worth the effort.
>But it makes one wonder why you're so intimately >involved with a label
that produces what nine out of ten
>people would call punk.
I'm not. I quit.
Spike
Lee Blackstone (a...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: In <5d3svs$6...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jasu...@prairienet.org (Jesse A.
: Sutton) writes:
: >What the fuck is a roper?
: >-Dr. Badass
:
: a landlord. duh.
Well we're not psychic....
I thought it was some kind of clothing I'd never heard of....
"Man about the house" and "George and Mildred" didn't instantly spring to
mind....
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Lee Blackstone
In <19970203224...@ladder01.news.aol.com> llive...@aol.com
(LLivermore) writes:
>
>N Yeah, it costs more to drink good beer and eat good food.
>Harvard than it does to go to East Bumfuck Community College, but I
don't
>see too many of you dropping out of your universities because of that.
i don't need to drop out of one. genny and i both go to east bumfuck
junior college (which recently turned into a college then a university
same school though..) oh, and before that, i went to west bumfuck
junior college in Mi.
>>And why do you stereotype everyone on this newsgroup as
>>some sort of "typical" street punk when you *know* >that's not the
case?
>
>I don't. Most of them aren't street punks. As I said, it's a college
kid
>social club. Like, um, a fraternity...
>
why are you here then?? i mean, since we all know you eat nothing but
kroger brand noodles and can barely afford yr rent...
mohr
SkyValley0
> What the fuck is a roper?
> -Dr. Badass
>i thought it was dr. zoot?
>anyway, ropers are a brand of cowboy boots.
>most people think of the fancy, snakeskin pointy kind when they think of
>cowboy boots.
>ropers are like the basic, day-to-day cowboy boots. the full brand name
is
>justin ropers. when you go out to party, you wear something a little
>fancier.
You southerners are so wacky. I thought they were those Lacrosse rope
things that everyone around here hangs their keys from. then you you flop
the keys over your shoulder onto you back, very collegeic.
Seriosly though I can't imagine anybody actually wearing cowbody
boots, its to think people do.
-sv
toy...@sirius.com
In article <19970203224...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
llive...@aol.com (LLivermore) wrote:
[snip]
> I don't think I'm a cynic, and I'm certainly not tortured. Of course I
> believe what I write. If you consider it "shitting on people's idealism
> and enthusiasm" to point out that punk rock these days is little more than
> a social club, very much like fraternities, then I'm sorry, but I've been
> calling it as I see it for too long to stop now. Some 20 years ago, when
> I first started pointing out that the hippie subculture had turned into
> very nearly the opposite of what it had once represented, people, some of
> them old friends, were outraged. Now, of course, people on this NG
> routinely bash hippies without a moment's hesitation. It's my aim to
> point out to you that punk, as a social movement, has now reached a
> similar point in its devolution. Many of you will realized this and move
> on; others among you will, like the hippies, remain mired in the past for
> the rest of your lives mocked and pitied by young and old alike.
>
Larry, I sincerely hope this is a troll on your part. When I first read
this last night I was really, really angry with you. So angry, in fact,
that I couldn't even come up with a response. I've calmed down now so I
think I know what I want to say.
For the second time in the past year I have caught you trading in rampant
"back-in-the-day-ism" of the worst type. Punk has always been a
marketing tool and a social club of sorts. We live in a post-industrial
society that is filled with different *tribes*. Punk rockers are a
tribe, as are hippies, yuppies, dinks, heshers, queers, businessmen, frat
boys, jocks, ravers, etc. We are alienated by the coldness and distance
imposed upon us by the structure of our post-industrial culture so we
crave affiliation.
To say that to be a punk today is no more relevent than being a hippy is
is something I have problems with one a couple of different levels: For
one, I don't see anything wrong with being a hippy, if that is who you
truly are. It is more acceptable now to have long, dirty hair and wear
tie-dyes and birkenstocks than it was in 1967, but that is only because
for a brief period that look was fashionable. But subscribing to a
belief in peace and love and a concern for our planet and our future is
certainly not bad. Even if someone is initially drawn into hippiness by
a desire to be a part of a long dead past, if they come out of the
experience with some understanding of what it means to rebel against a
repressive society and act in a subversive way against the mainstream
then that individual has come out of the experience with something
positive.
Secondly, punk has always been a fashion statement first and a philosophy
second. While I don't particularly like seeing jocks and frat boys or
trendy hipsters at MTX shows, I'm not about to abandon the music I love
and a culture that has far more pluses to it than minuses simply because
it has become a fashionable part of the mainstream. Most of those jocks
and frat boys will move on to a new trend (watch out rave kids... the
jocks are coming your way next) but some of them will stay because they
find something in the music or the culture that speaks to them. Some of
these folks will change into almost totally new people because of their
encounter with punk rock.
I'm sorry Larry, but Punk has a much deeper meaning for a lot of people
than I think you realize. That meaning didn't go away the last time punk
topped out and it won't go away this time. As much as some folks will
hate my saying this, hippy culture hasn't gone away either. It's
metamorphosed into different things. There are still fringe hippy bands
who speak to the world about the ideals of their generation, most of
which are not bad things.
> >And why do you stereotype everyone on this newsgroup as
> >some sort of "typical" street punk when you *know* >that's not the case?
>
> I don't. Most of them aren't street punks. As I said, it's a college kid
> social club. Like, um, a fraternity...
>
No, no, no. A fraternity is about excluding the unwanted. A fraternity
is about bettering one's own stature in the community through the
belittling of others. Punk is not about that. As much as some folks
would like to make it that way (Tim Yo et. al.) it has never worked and
will never work. The most beautiful thing about punk is the difficulty
in pegging it down. Try as they may, no one can define it. No one can
say with absolute certainty and agreement of the mass what is and isn't
punk. Blackfork is punk and so is the Hope Bombs and yet they sound
nothing alike and have nothing in common other than the spirit of "this
is our art... fuck you if you don't like it" that they bring with them.
Dying your hair green is punk, but so is not dying it at all. Tatooing
your arms is punk and so is not having any tatoos. People will always
try to define and exclude in any tribe, but punks generally let anyone in
who wants to play. It's the biggest sandbox you'll ever find. Sure, a
lot of the time it's more like a litter box than anything else, but
nothing can burn brightly all of the time.
> >If you want to keep going with your "all punk rockers are
> >shit" schtick, fine.
>
> I don't think they're "shit" in any sense. I've met quite a few of them.
> Nice people, mostly. I wouldn't waste my time saying anything if I didn't
> think they were a) capable of understanding my point and possibly
> benefitting from it; and, b) worth the effort.
>
> >But it makes one wonder why you're so intimately >involved with a label
> that produces what nine out of ten
> >people would call punk.
>
> I'm not. I quit.
So, you're telling people about it now?
I sincerely hope that you are leaving Lookout because there are other
things you want to do with your life, Lawrence and not because you have
somehow lost faith in punk rock.
-Joe S.
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David Troy Cochrane
LLivermore wrote:
<snippity-snip a bunch of stuff about alcohol (Dear Karl, I read a post
on alt.punk that mentioned alcohol, am I still straightedge?)>
> Many of you will realized this and move
> on; others among you will, like the hippies, remain mired in the past for
> the rest of your lives mocked and pitied by young and old alike.
Larry, I want to know, what is you definition of punk? To me being punk
isn't about a mohawk, and a leather jacket, and having a good sneer. To
me punk is kinda about the music (it plays an important part, but it's
not the only thing), and mostly about a 'fuck you society, I won't take
what you say at face value' attitude. I decided that what I was being
told by our government, our parents, our history books, our priests, our
media, and just about everything else involved with the establishment
(what a stupid fucking word, but i couldn't think of anything better)
was altered, falsified, mangled, made-up, out-and-out lies, or something
seen through their fucked-up view of the world. I decided that I wasn't
going to go down like that. I wasn't going to sit back, buy a truck,
pop in the newest Mariah Carey, and become a card carrying member of the
Reform Party (Republican to you yanks). I want to live my life, and I
want to try and change this world.
I've been told that it's futile, I've been told that I'm idealistic,
I've been told that's it's impossible, unrealistic, unoriginal, stupid,
idiotic, and a waste of time. I don't care. If I don't try and make a
difference, how can I expect anyone else to change. If I don't do
something, I might as well kill myself.
I'm going to do something, and hopefully, I can get a few other people
doing things, and then we can all do something that will make a
difference. Maybe, I'll fail, maybe I'll succeed, and in the end it
won't make a difference (the worst kind of failure), or maybe I will
accomplish something, maybe I'll truly make a difference, who know? No
one, that's who. I won't find out until I try.
Larry, to me, that's punk. Questioning society, and then trying to do
something about it. If that attitude is dying, then God help us all,
for soon we'll be living in George Orwell's 1984 (even if I don't make a
difference, maybe we can hold 'them' off for a while).
Maybe punk as you define it is dead or dying (just as hardcore is dead
to many people), but punk as I define it, is alive and well. Why?
Because it's alive and well in me, and in my friends.
> >But it makes one wonder why you're so intimately >involved with a label
> that produces what nine out of ten
> >people would call punk.
>
> I'm not. I quit.
WHAT!!!???
When did this happen? We don't get much punk (oops sorry, what would
you like me to call it?) news up here in the boonies of Saskatchewan.
That's news that's fit to print, even though I don't like most of the
bands on your former label, no offence, but it's just not my sound (you
did a good, good thing with Avail however). Larry, fill us in.
Troy
David Troy Cochrane
toy...@sirius.com wrote:
> Even if someone is initially drawn into hippiness by
> a desire to be a part of a long dead past, if they come out of the
> experience with some understanding of what it means to rebel against a
> repressive society and act in a subversive way against the mainstream
> then that individual has come out of the experience with something
> positive.
Ah, an interesting point has been raised. It doesn't matter how you
come into it, even though it seems to be popular these days to say,
"Yeah, well I saw DOA back in '79, that was punk rock.", if you believe
in the spirit and vitality of punk whole-heartedly and fully then that
is punk. It doesn't matter if the first song you heard was by the Dead
Kennedy's or by Green Day, if you are now into punk for what punk truly
is, and not for the fashion, then I open my arms to welcome you in.
> Secondly, punk has always been a fashion statement first and a philosophy
> second. While I don't particularly like seeing jocks and frat boys or
> trendy hipsters at MTX shows, I'm not about to abandon the music I love
> and a culture that has far more pluses to it than minuses simply because
> it has become a fashionable part of the mainstream. Most of those jocks
> and frat boys will move on to a new trend (watch out rave kids... the
> jocks are coming your way next) but some of them will stay because they
> find something in the music or the culture that speaks to them. Some of
> these folks will change into almost totally new people because of their
> encounter with punk rock.
If punk affects even one of the millions who are attracted to it because
of it's new MTV, Spin, Rolling Stone connections, then it's worth it.
The fights that now occur at shows between two jocks, the idiots who
think that going in the pit is about getting out their moronic jock
aggressions by kicking some poor kid in the head, and the idiots who
stared at the girls at the Propagandhi show with their shirts off all
really suck, but if one kid who entered with them stays behind, then I'm
glad. I'm glad that he's accepted something different, realized that
there's more to life, even if for him, it's simply going to Gilman twice
a week, and getting out of his Suburban home, even if it's realizing
that those jocks made about hispanics aren't funny, whatever it is, it's
good, because he's less likely to end up like his dad.
> I'm sorry Larry, but Punk has a much deeper meaning for a lot of people
> than I think you realize. That meaning didn't go away the last time punk
> topped out and it won't go away this time. As much as some folks will
> hate my saying this, hippy culture hasn't gone away either. It's
> metamorphosed into different things. There are still fringe hippy bands
> who speak to the world about the ideals of their generation, most of
> which are not bad things.
Punk is very deep for me. I'm not about to give it up. Even if it's
going to the bottom of the sea like a lead weight, I'll kick and scream
and fight to hold it up, and I'm sure some of you will be right there
with me, paddling for our lives, to save this thing we love (Joe, I hope
you have a clean pair of trunks ready).
Larry, maybe it'll drag me down with it, but I might as well not live,
if I allow it to go down, and I retreat onto dry, corporate land, and
take my place behind the desk.
> I sincerely hope that you are leaving Lookout because there are other
> things you want to do with your life, Lawrence and not because you have
> somehow lost faith in punk rock.
>
> -Joe S.
So do I.
Troy
Kathy R. Roberto
you may not be a frat boy, but you *are* a poopypants stinky poo poo
butt...*maniacal cackle*
--
katia sarcastica (thanks for the name, john!)
wimmin who want to be equal to men lack imagination.
john lowe
In article <5darht$m...@thor.cmp.ilstu.edu>, krr...@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
(Kathy R. Roberto) wrote:
> you may not be a frat boy, but you *are* a poopypants stinky poo poo
> butt...*maniacal cackle*
well, yeah, this much is true!
heeheehee
thanks katia, i owe ya one!
john <who wishes he could remember the greek letters to his honor societies>
--
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-- lali donovan
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"i think, therefore i am dangerous" -- big daddy soul
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Geoff Lane
LLivermore wrote:
<snip>
> But you got one thing right: apart from the beer brands of choice and
> clothing and hair styles, there's very little difference between frat rats
> and punk rockers.
Where the hell did you get this?
Have you ever met a punk? I'm not talking about some kid who wears a
Rancid(tm) shirt or something. I'm talking about one of the active
punks . . . Like a Frat boy?
Whatever
--
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In every generation, there are those who want to rule well
- but they mean to rule.
They promise to be good masters
- but they mean to be masters.
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gl30...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu
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Chris Cantor
In article <5d5i8f$f...@cardinal1.Stanford.EDU>, f...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Phillip Orion Leckman) writes:
|> In article <19970202215...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
|> LLivermore <llive...@aol.com> wrote:
|> >>i drink real cheap beer, like pearl and mickeys and
|> >>olympia and schaefer
|> >
|> >I am constantly bewildered over why drinking lousy beer or eating lousy
|> >food is considered some sort of badge of integrity in the punk community.
|> >What you consume has a cumulative impact, and while adolescent bodies are
|> >tough enough to absorb a lot of punishment, once you hit your 20s and 30s,
|> >the ravages start to set in, and hard. People in ghettos are pitied
|> >because they lack the education and sophistication to make wise
|> >nutritional choices; middle class lifestyle rebels deliberately emulate
|> >the underclass and call it cool style.
|>
|> between drinking Buweiser and PBR, except that the PBR-drinker has more
|> money left over?
|>
|> >
|> >clothing and hair styles, there's very little difference between frat rats
|> >and punk rockers.
|>
|>
|> Is this whole tortured cynic thing just for fun, or do you really believe
|> all the stuff you write? Or do you just have some sort of pathological
|> going with your "all punk rockers are shit" schtick, fine. But it makes
|> what nine out of ten people would call punk.
|>
|> that's very noble of you, I guess. But then you should desist your
|> blatant generalizations of punks. John's no Spike Anarkie, nor are most
|> of the people on this newsgroup.
|>
|> PHIL 8)
|>
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Well said.....
so since you touched my heart, I wrote you a little play.
Dedicated to my pal Phil 8, a voice of reason amidst a tempest of idiocy.
-aboy
Setting : Channel 10 Infomercial Studio, 2 AM, Tuesday morning
Characters:
Ordinary Run-of-the-mill channel surfer:
Phil 8: ivy leaguer, all round youth rebellion upstart gone mature, the next conan obrien?
the next unabomber? the next ian mackaye? the next bob guccione? who knows...
Predictable Studio Audience: Among whom we find an assortment of "net junkies",
usenet thrill seekers, "compu-crusaders", AOL abusers, newsgroup
newbies, dismissed OJ Simpson
Jurors, Rodney King look alikes....
Scene 1: Introduction!
_________________________
<channel surfer's program ends and Infomercial begins, he switches through the channels,
goes full circle and stops back at the Infomercial. mutters that nothing is on and
leaves Den to go to the bathroom, as the audience is left with the television
infomercial...>
Exasperated-"net-junky": Im tired of all this bickering back and forth....
<we can hear a shouting match in the background, during which a couple of aol abusers and
usenet thrill seekers are engaged in a furious battle of wit and willpower, while newsgroup
newbies run around banging their heads against walls and people, shouting "bla bla
bla" and causing general mayhem>
Compu-crusader(with emphasis and full on exasperation): ME TOO.........
Rod-King-Look-Alike(speaking from the heart): Cant we all just get along?
Phil 8(voice of reason): Tired of the bickering and in-fighting on your newsgroup?
Well now YOU TOO can get along.... its EASY. With our new, REVOLUTIONARY
breakthrough in conflict mediation, your usenet site can regain the lost
serenity of the olden days. Just take a look at this video clip.....
<rolls video clip, in which is unravelled the current state of affairs on alt.punk>
terrible isn't it?!!!! well it doesnt have to be like that!
with our STATE of the ART technology we can have your newsgroup back on track in no
time! Just watch what happened to our friends in alt.punk, after they
subscribed to the "PHIL 8's 12 steps to Bliss on the Usenet", a progem written by me,
PHIL 8).....
<rolls another video clip in which L.L. gets told to tone down his rhetoric and buck up,
Tabb gets enrolled in a fraternity do he can find constructive ways to vent his pent up
sexual frustration, CRAWFORD sees a shrink and examines his cynicism, Joe Downs and Joe
Selby realize that ABOY isnt sparring with genny anymore, Troy actually tells a JOKE and
mohr actually SMILES at it, Lali and John Lowe actually talk to and/or visit someone they
HAVENT met before, Krissy actually stops talking about what she is GOING to do and actually
does something for a change, Genny CALLS mohr instead of posting to the group, ABOy actually
lets something escape uncriticized, Baird comes back, as does TIGGER who sets everyone
straight, all NOFX discussion is moved to alt.hardcore, you know....
a newsgroup working its way out of dysfuntion........>
Faithful-Audience: (Oooohs and Aaaaahs).
<fade to black as channel surfer returns and surfs on>
Phillip Orion Leckman
Snif, snif, snif....
That was beautiful, Chris.
Thank you for letting me be the messenger for this vision
of a brighter tomorrow....
PHIL 8)
Genny DeSuave
teehee
gengen
--
"You know Jerry, and I'm only saying this because I care...
There are a lot of decaffienated brands on the market that are just as
tasty
as the real thing." --Chris Knight
************************
This message brought to you by Chateau De Suave....A blush wine, that,
frankly,
the world simply isn't ready for yet.
john lowe
In article <5dencr$h...@cocoa.brown.edu>, c...@markov.cs.brown.edu (Chris
Cantor) wrote:
>Lali and John Lowe actually talk to and/or visit someone they
> HAVENT met before
dear chris,
i'm talking to you now.
meet the new john.
fuck off.
just cause you make fun of everyone, including yourself, doesn't mean i
appreciate it.
allow me to reiterate: fuck off!
now, can you be a big boy and let it slide, or are you gonna hound me again?
john <i mean it!>
Chris Cantor
A lot of this argument Larry put forth is that punk is goin the way hippie went.
Well, I see one big hole in his argument, that noone has mentioned yet.
What if I say that I dont buy into the whole "hippie is BAD" ethos that Larry
assumes is a foundation of punk. Hmmmm, what then? Well, all of larry's argument goes out
the window.
In spite of all of the "die hippy" sloganeering that gets thrown around the
punk world (and dont get me wrong, I enjoy slagging hippies as much as the next person) I
dont hate them any more than I would hate someone just for not being part of a culture i
identify with. So unless hippies give me a reason to explicitly hate them, I dont see
anything wrong with them. AND, to boot, some of the ideals they have,
they share with many punks (a point Larry made in drawing an analogy between punk and
hippy).
SO yeah, LIKE PUNK, hippy is old, its waxed and waned over the years,
its been sensationalized by pop culture and sold out.....
BUT if I dont run around demonizing hippies and slagging the whole hippy movement, Larry's
analogy holds no water in his attempt to cast doubt on the legitimacy of contemporary
punk culture.
Sorry Larry.
aboy
The Trees Have No Mercy
I agree with Chris, here...
I think that there are enough hippies with political agendas that
to brush off the whole lot of them is to shoot yourself in the foot.
There are also a number of punks who don't care much about
anything but getting high.
Case by case basis, kids. Don't judge a book by its cover.
Which is not to say I'd rather hang out with a political hippy
than a stoner punk; only, I think "kill the hippy" in that instance would
be shooting yourself in the foot, since every ounce of personpower (proud
of me, Troy? :) counts.
--Alex "'Cos No Matter What, The Phish Are Phucked" Siegfried
_____
this .sig file was suppressed by the Man.
David Troy Cochrane
The Trees Have No Mercy wrote:
>
> I agree with Chris, here...
> I think that there are enough hippies with political agendas that
> to brush off the whole lot of them is to shoot yourself in the foot.
> There are also a number of punks who don't care much about
> anything but getting high.
Damn right. You can't deny that the hippies accomplished something.
People want to act like they never got anything done, but we can't just
brush them off entirely. The had a large impact on the civil rights
movement. Their support of equal rights for visible minorities made a
lot of changes. Their effects aren't written into law, so you can deny
all you want, but in the back of your minds you know that they at least
accomplished something.
As for the dumb ass stoner punks, really, I don't consider them punk.
They aren't questioning shit (for the most part, there are stoners who
are also pretty aware of the fucked up world around them), and they
aren't trying to do anything. They just fuck themselves up, and don't
help shit.
> Case by case basis, kids. Don't judge a book by its cover.
> Which is not to say I'd rather hang out with a political hippy
> than a stoner punk; only, I think "kill the hippy" in that instance would
> be shooting yourself in the foot, since every ounce of personpower (proud
> of me, Troy? :) counts.
I sure am Alex, I'm beaming like a proud father at his new born baby.
> --Alex "'Cos No Matter What, The Phish Are Phucked" Siegfried
Troy <fuck does it suck being gone for a week>
TEX
David Troy Cochrane <dtc...@mail.usask.ca> trickled beads of wisdom
down upon our brows thusly:
:The Trees Have No Mercy wrote:
:>
:> I agree with Chris, here...
:> I think that there are enough hippies with political agendas that
:> to brush off the whole lot of them is to shoot yourself in the foot.
:> There are also a number of punks who don't care much about
:> anything but getting high.
:
:Damn right. You can't deny that the hippies accomplished something.
:People want to act like they never got anything done, but we can't just
:brush them off entirely. The had a large impact on the civil rights
:movement. Their support of equal rights for visible minorities made a
:lot of changes. Their effects aren't written into law, so you can deny
:all you want, but in the back of your minds you know that they at least
:accomplished something.
Ok, lets get something straight, historically speaking: The civil
rights movement started in the 1950s. The hippies were the logical
followers of the beats, who were avidly socialistic, advocated eastern
philosphy as a means to self-realization, advocated free-love, drug
use and experimentation in art, literature and music.
The flower children of the 1960s and 70s were the popular cultural
extension of the beat movement, much the same way that the punk kids
today are a pop cultural extension of the punks of the late 70s and
early 80s.
Almost any social movement can be shown to have had some beneficial
effects though.
I'm sure my pal Hank would gladly point out that the beats, the
hippies, disco queens, punks, new romantics, goths rave kids... the
whole lot are merely manifestations of the rebellious nature of youth
culture. No different from the flappers of the 1920s or the swing
kids of the 1940s.
: As for the dumb ass stoner punks, really, I don't consider them punk.
:They aren't questioning shit (for the most part, there are stoners who
:are also pretty aware of the fucked up world around them), and they
:aren't trying to do anything. They just fuck themselves up, and don't
:help shit.
:
Much like the hippies who swarmed the counter culture in the late
1960s.
:> Case by case basis, kids. Don't judge a book by its cover.
:> Which is not to say I'd rather hang out with a political hippy
:> than a stoner punk; only, I think "kill the hippy" in that instance would
:> be shooting yourself in the foot, since every ounce of personpower (proud
:> of me, Troy? :) counts.
:
:I sure am Alex, I'm beaming like a proud father at his new born baby.
:
Hey, he's my prodigy. You can't have him. B-P****
:> --Alex "'Cos No Matter What, The Phish Are Phucked" Siegfried
:
:Troy <fuck does it suck being gone for a week>
Really. I'm actually really looking forward to being off of here for
more than a week shortly.
-TEX
No more mister nice guy.
"This posting was brought to you by the coalition to stop idiocy on the net."
Chris Cantor
what beneficial social effects have been derived from ravers and goths?
your point here is really unclear. what are you trying to say? that all
of punk and hippy are just youth culture? that they have no political underpinnings?
that they accomplish things by accident? Seems to me the issue here is individuals.
Whether you can write them off because of their foolish devotion to a youth culture
that is old. That was what Larry was trying to do, write off punks as no better than
hippies because they are devoted to a stale ideal. Something like that. He wanted
to use the stereotypical hatred of hippies as bait. And Troy is right. there is a
difference between the groups described above. Some developed a political ideology.
And some did not. And political ideologies motivate people to do good things sometimes.
And the people in question, the ones were talking about, are the old hippies and old punks.
If they are still hanging on to the ideal, then its not about youthful rebellion anymore,
now is it? Apparently the hangers-on really believe in some underlying message.
And its them were talking about, and saying that you shouldnt write them off.
|> :are also pretty aware of the fucked up world around them), and they
|> :aren't trying to do anything. They just fuck themselves up, and don't
|> :help shit.
|> :
|> Much like the hippies who swarmed the counter culture in the late
|> 1960s.
noone is exonerating the hippies, Joe.
|> Really. I'm actually really looking forward to being off of here for
|> more than a week shortly.
sure you are
aboy
The Trees Have No Mercy
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, David Troy Cochrane wrote:
> The Trees Have No Mercy wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Chris, here...
> > I think that there are enough hippies with political agendas that
> > to brush off the whole lot of them is to shoot yourself in the foot.
> > There are also a number of punks who don't care much about
> > anything but getting high.
>
> Damn right. You can't deny that the hippies accomplished something.
> People want to act like they never got anything done, but we can't just
> brush them off entirely. The had a large impact on the civil rights
> movement. Their support of equal rights for visible minorities made a
> lot of changes. Their effects aren't written into law, so you can deny
> all you want, but in the back of your minds you know that they at least
> accomplished something.
Every counter culture has both and ideology and a style. You can
adopt one without the other, but for the most part it's easier to adopt
the style and more difficult to differentiate the "style-only" segment
from the "style and ideology". Furthermore, the "style-only" segment
seems to care more about the style than the "style and ideology" segment,
consequentially, when one goes looking for the archetype of that counter
culture, one is more likely to hit upon "style-only".
For the longest time I was contemptuous of my sister for being so
into neo-hippy style... Then I realized she's an environmental terrorist
in her free time. She's not totally oblivious. (in fact, "hippy" is
more equatable with "environmental terrorism"--it being sort of "back to
nature"--than is "punk", which seems to be much more urban)
> As for the dumb ass stoner punks, really, I don't consider them punk.
> They aren't questioning shit (for the most part, there are stoners who
> are also pretty aware of the fucked up world around them), and they
> aren't trying to do anything. They just fuck themselves up, and don't
> help shit.
What can I say, it does sort of bring us full circle to the "what
is punk" debate that irritates the beejeesus out of everyone. (the
official debate, I believe, is "What is punk and is that therefore Green
Day?") When I'm thinking "ally in X cause" I tend to drop labels
entirely. Critical mass--the tie die boyz are your friends; the cars, no
matter how many spikes the driver has, are not. If you truly believe in
a cause, the cause overarches ALL, including subculture affiliation.
> > Case by case basis, kids. Don't judge a book by its cover.
> > Which is not to say I'd rather hang out with a political hippy
> > than a stoner punk; only, I think "kill the hippy" in that instance would
> > be shooting yourself in the foot, since every ounce of personpower (proud
> > of me, Troy? :) counts.
>
> I sure am Alex, I'm beaming like a proud father at his new born baby.
You callin' me NEW at political correctness?? Why you old geezer
c'mere I'll moidelate ya.
> Troy <fuck does it suck being gone for a week>
There there Troy, we DID mis you even though we try to turn the
stoic other cheek.
I missed the whole "chick" thing especially hee hee hee.
--Alex "Baw-COCK! Buk buk buk Baw-COCK! (Joe, You Still Have To
Do Bock-EEK For Me)" Siegfried
TomV
toy...@sirius.com (TEX) writes: > David Troy Cochrane <dtc...@mail.usask.ca> trickled beads of wisdom
> down upon our brows thusly:
>
> : As for the dumb ass stoner punks, really, I don't consider them punk.
> :are also pretty aware of the fucked up world around them), and they
> :aren't trying to do anything. They just fuck themselves up, and don't
> :help shit.
> Much like the hippies who swarmed the counter culture in the late
> 1960s.
>
Hey first off you should stop listening to crass they aren't that good of
a band. What do you nean by punks that get high don't question anything?
Have you ever got high before? What do you think people do when they get
high, sit down and stare at the walls? And they aren't trying to do any-
thing? Where does it say you need a purpose in life? You go to school and
I think that's good for you....but I guarentee I will achieve more in my
life doing nothing, both finacially and mentally, than most of you that
value an education. Why should I have to study to get ahead when I can
just wait for relatives to pass away? Why do I have to question anything
that goes on in this world we live in? I used to be a hard core junkie
who's seen the underbelly of our society and have seen the insides of
homes you will never be able to afford. How much do you really know
what's going on? Do you think if you could deal with the real questions
you might have? There are things out there you would never understand yet
you will question them and wonder why.....when all you have to do is find
out for yourself. I know the new punk attitude is more toward pc thinking
and a more non tolerance to getting fucked up for a living. I came from a
middle / working class family that grew into an upper class family. As
for the six punkers I used to shoot up with as a teenager, 1 came from
a lower class family, 2 were sons of cops, and 3 were from filthy rich
families. One of those guys was a son of a politician / ex - C.I.A.
officer. Do you have any answers for what it's like to grow up bored with
the world at your finger tips and you could care less about success. Sure
I get high and hopefully always will, but I can not only fit in with the
streets and scum of the world...I can fit into the political scene and
find out what the rich really believe. You know how this world works
being sober? I could tell you stories you wouldn't believe. I fucked my
brain real good, but that doesn't mean I don't question anything and I
don't do anything. I've put on shows, help people break the law legally,
set up protest rallies, ran a benifit for the homeless down town, helped
videotape the actions of cops for cable access shows...and the list goes
on and on. But I never did these things to be punk or show people I'm a
man of action. I did these things because I was high at the time and
thought it would be cool to do. Oh yeah, I know I lost my point a long
time ago in this here post.
Genny DeSuave
You help people break the law legally? Now THAT is impressive.
genny
--
Some chick says, "thank you for saying all the things I never do."
I say, "you know, the thanks I get is to take all the shit for you.
It's nice that you listened,
It'd be nice if you joined in.
As long as you play their game, girl, you're never gonna win."
Joanie
In article <5f1ke6$4...@cocoa.brown.edu>
c...@markov.cs.brown.edu (Chris Cantor) writes:
I am too. While I'm gone, everyone better say "Where's Joanie". And
when I come back, everyone better say WELCOME BACK JOANIE!!!!! Because
we all know we don't exist if alt.punk doesn't notice us.
Look out Austin.
Joanie
john lowe
In article <5f3vgi$q...@netman-mel.dfci.harvard.edu>, joa...@wmbr.mit.edu
(Joanie) wrote:
<being off alt.punk for a vacation>
> I am too. While I'm gone, everyone better say "Where's Joanie".
i won't cos i know where you're gonna be!
> And when I come back, everyone better say WELCOME BACK JOANIE!!!!!
not me, i'm gonna say *i miss joanie!*
> Because we all know we don't exist if alt.punk doesn't notice us.
j'post, danc j'suis!
> Look out Austin.
we're ready for ya, darlin'! bring it on!
john meow <who will be gone for a while in one week!>
--
john lowe, jl of the alt.punk 4 horsemen 4!4!4!4!4!4! ofc
hip...@mail.utexas.edu lieutenant, austin garage rock militia
"casual sex isn't cuddlecore" -- katia sarcastica
"my smile is your demise" -- the peechees
Genny DeSuave
Joanie wrote:
>
> In article <5f1ke6$4...@cocoa.brown.edu>
> c...@markov.cs.brown.edu (Chris Cantor) writes:
>
> > In article <3313e745...@news.sirius.com>, toy...@sirius.com (TEX) writes:
> >
> > |> Really. I'm actually really looking forward to being off of here for
> > |> more than a week shortly.
> >
> > sure you are
> >
> >
> > aboy
>
> when I come back, everyone better say WELCOME BACK JOANIE!!!!! Because
> we all know we don't exist if alt.punk doesn't notice us.
>
>
> Joanie
Couldn't you have waited a week? Didn't you see my post about how I
wanted to meet you to figure out what you were all about? God DAMMIT
Joanie.
Jess kiddin, have fun, and leave me a few beers, will ya?
David Troy Cochrane
Chris Cantor wrote:
> Apparently the hangers-on really believe in some underlying message.
The sad thing is that the old hippies and the old punks get ridiculed.
They are made out to be people who can't let go of the past, people who
don't have a grip on reality and all sorts of other insults. However,
when they do let go they are sellouts who couldn't handle it.
So, basically, you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Troy
Joanie
In article <hipster-2702...@mac1.tsp.utexas.edu>
hip...@mail.utexas.edu (john lowe) writes:
> > And when I come back, everyone better say WELCOME BACK JOANIE!!!!!
>
> not me, i'm gonna say *i miss joanie!*
Are you sure about that??? I'm afraid the Austin contingent might be
sorely disappointed.
> > Because we all know we don't exist if alt.punk doesn't notice us.
>
> j'post, danc j'suis!
I like that. But wouldn't it be: Je poste, danc je suis.
In article <3315D2...@ix.netcom.com>
Genny DeSuave <a...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> > Look out Austin.
> >
>
> Couldn't you have waited a week? Didn't you see my post about how I
> wanted to meet you to figure out what you were all about? God DAMMIT
> Joanie.
>
> Jess kiddin, have fun, and leave me a few beers, will ya?
>
> genny
Hmm, that's one thing you won't have to worry about. But with the way
I've been eating lately, hopefully there'll be some food left for you.
Joanie, fat and not giving a shit
hvdv...@kub.nl
joa...@wmbr.mit.edu (Joanie) writes:
>While I'm gone, everyone better say "Where's Joanie". And
>when I come back, everyone better say WELCOME BACK JOANIE!!!!! Because
>we all know we don't exist if alt.punk doesn't notice us.
Joanie!!! You're back!!!
Where have you been since yesterday?!?!?
Hester
David Troy Cochrane
Joanie wrote:
> > j'post, danc j'suis!
>
> I like that. But wouldn't it be: Je poste, danc je suis.
Ah, she knows french grammar too. Joanie is right. Sorry John, when
you use je before a verb with a vowel like, "J'etais . . ." then you
drop the e and use un apostroph (sp?).
Troy
john lowe
considering i've never even taken even one hour of french lessons and know
what i know from hearing others speak it and having a french major for a
girlfriend for 2.5 years in college, i thought i did pretty good.
but now that i know the proper grammer, it's going in the sig file!
john meow <voulez vous cuxhez avec moi cest sois>
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David Troy Cochrane <dtc...@mail.usask.ca> wrote:
: Joanie wrote:
:
: > > j'post, danc j'suis!
: >
: > I like that. But wouldn't it be: Je poste, danc je suis.
:
: Ah, she knows french grammar too. Joanie is right. Sorry John, when
: you use je before a verb with a vowel like, "J'etais . . ." then you
: drop the e and use un apostroph (sp?).
:
yeah, but "poste" doesn't begin with a vowel.
and i got a 4 on the ap french exam, so don't argue with me, kid. ;)
--
xkatiax
my opinion doesn't matter anyway.
Hester van der Vinne
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, David Troy Cochrane wrote:
> Joanie wrote:
>
> > > j'post, danc j'suis!
> >
> > I like that. But wouldn't it be: Je poste, danc je suis.
>
> Ah, she knows french grammar too. Joanie is right. Sorry John, when
> you use je before a verb with a vowel like, "J'etais . . ." then you
> drop the e and use un apostroph (sp?).
Actually Troy, we're only guessing what the French word for "posting" is.
And yeah, "je poste" makes more sense than "j' post". More importantly
however, and I'm surprised no one has noticed this yet, it should be
"donc" instead of "danc".
D'oh.
Hester
David Troy Cochrane
Hester van der Vinne wrote:
> Actually Troy, we're only guessing what the French word for "posting" is.
> And yeah, "je poste" makes more sense than "j' post". More importantly
> however, and I'm surprised no one has noticed this yet, it should be
> "donc" instead of "danc".
>
> D'oh.
>
> Hester
'Kay, I'm running home right now to find out what the french verb is for
'to post'. Also, you're very right, it is donc, not danc (Troy didn't
really know what danc was, but he hasn't spoken any french in about a
year and a half, so he's lost his skills).
Troy
Krissy
In article <5f7p2m$19...@thor.cmp.ilstu.edu>, krr...@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
(Kathy R. Roberto) wrote:
> : > > j'post, danc j'suis!
> : >
> : > I like that. But wouldn't it be: Je poste, danc je suis.
> : you use je before a verb with a vowel like, "J'etais . . ." then you
> : drop the e and use un apostroph (sp?).
> yeah, but "poste" doesn't begin with a vowel.
> and i got a 4 on the ap french exam, so don't argue with me, kid. ;)
kathy's right. its only when the word after starts with a vowel. and even
though i stopped taking french after grade 9, i started learning it when i
was in grade 1 or so.
--
Here's my fucking .sig
zab & mike
i think that would be: voulez-vous couchez avec moi, c'est soir.
--dictionary-girl, zab
Krissy
In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.970301...@xs2.xs4all.nl>,
Hester van der Vinne <hes...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Actually Troy, we're only guessing what the French word for "posting" is.
> And yeah, "je poste" makes more sense than "j' post". More importantly
> however, and I'm surprised no one has noticed this yet, it should be
> "donc" instead of "danc".
if i knew what the hell that word was, then i would have a better chance
at giving the correct spelling. i kept looking at it and thinking dance
which is danse i believe, and that just screws me up then. heh.
Hester van der Vinne
Almost right, dictionary girl. Make it "ce soir" instead of "c'est soir"
and you'll receive a passing grade :)
Votre amie,
Hester
Hester van der Vinne
john lowe wrote:
> > > john meow <voulez vous cuxhez avec moi cest sois>
zab, dictionary girl wrote:
> > i think that would be: voulez-vous couchez avec moi, c'est soir.
Hester wrote:
> Almost right, dictionary girl. Make it "ce soir" instead of "c'est soir"
> and you'll receive a passing grade :)
Duh! Can't I do anything right? It should also be "coucher" instead of
"couchez", naturellement.
Hester
john lowe
In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.97030...@xs2.xs4all.nl>, Hester
van der Vinne <hes...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
thanks to both the rabulous dictionary girl zabet and the lovely and
talented school marm hester for correcting my grammer! (ps: i'm being
sincere)
of course, all that really matters is whether i can pronounce it right,
and if i'll ever get into a situation again where i can use it!
john meow <sad because he has become a monoglot>
--
john lowe, sissy boy at heart
hip...@mail.utexas.edu young lions i.s.a. ofc
"Life's bad when you can't even get along with your own fictitious construction" -- jimbo, el perro de pavlov
"i'm the mistress de suave, and innuendo is next to godliness" -- gen-gen
"i believe this world would be a better place if we only wore more cardigans" hester van der vinne
Antonio Gonzalez
In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.97030...@xs2.xs4all.nl>, Hester van der Vinne <hes...@xs2.xs4all.nl> says:
>john lowe wrote:
>> > > john meow <voulez vous cuxhez avec moi cest sois>
>zab, dictionary girl wrote:
>> > i think that would be: voulez-vous couchez avec moi, c'est soir.
>Hester wrote:
>> Almost right, dictionary girl. Make it "ce soir" instead of "c'est soir"
>> and you'll receive a passing grade :)
>Duh! Can't I do anything right? It should also be "coucher" instead of
>"couchez", naturellement.
>Hester
You know I was almost positive it was "ribbet ribbet croak"
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Hester van der Vinne
On 3 Mar 1997, Antonio Gonzalez wrote:
> You know I was almost positive it was "ribbet ribbet croak"
So is that the pick-line you've been using?
That explains a lot.
Hester
David Troy Cochrane
Fuck me up the goat ass, I fucking know. What's the point? That's what
I fucking said. Geez. Read it again, you'll see that I said, if it's a
vowel you drop the 'e' in 'je'. For fucking sakes.
Troy
David Troy Cochrane
Krissy wrote:
> if i knew what the hell that word was, then i would have a better chance
> at giving the correct spelling. i kept looking at it and thinking dance
> which is danse i believe, and that just screws me up then. heh.
It pretty much means therefore.
Troy <spent five weeks in Quebec in a french immersion program and he
still sucks as french>
David Troy Cochrane
Joanie wrote:
> I am too. While I'm gone, everyone better say "Where's Joanie". And
> when I come back, everyone better say WELCOME BACK JOANIE!!!!! Because
> we all know we don't exist if alt.punk doesn't notice us.
>
> Look out Austin.
>
> Joanie
What the fuck, I saw replies to this post like a week ago, and I'm only
getting this post now. Something is fucked up.
Troy
Chris
In article <michael-0103...@ppp022-sf4.sirius.com>
mic...@sirius.com (zab & mike) writes:
>
Close, but I believe that it's: Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir?
Antonio Gonzalez
or is it just me?"
I will also have you know that with in the last month I've had more positive
experiences with women than ever in my life. I a veritable mack daddy. A
girl in gave me a kiss. No police were called and there were no restraining
orders filed. she also still talks to me and is willing to see me again,
So HA.
Cfdonovalg
From: Mo...@mail.utexas.edu (Antonio Gonzalez) writes:
>Actually my pickup line of choice is "Is it tall, dark and goofy in here,
or is it just me?"
I will also have you know that with in the last month I've had more
positive
experiences with women than ever in my life. I a veritable mack daddy. A
girl in gave me a kiss. No police were called and there were no
restraining
orders filed. she also still talks to me and is willing to see me again,
>So HA.
We know Antonio we know -Johnn Boy posted ALL of the details on the
newsgroups already. Heh heh heh.
Lali
john lowe
> From: Mo...@mail.utexas.edu (Antonio Gonzalez) writes:
> I will also have you know that with in the last month I've had more
> positive experiences with women than ever in my life. I a veritable mack
> daddy. A girl in gave me a kiss.
cfdon...@aol.com (lalibug) wrote:
> We know Antonio we know -Johnn Boy posted ALL of the details on the
> newsgroups already. Heh heh heh.
>
heeheehee, much as i love mr. tall dark and goofy, the day i start living
vicariously through him is the same day that i call that number looking
for eunuchs.
besides, i don't *wanna* know the details!
john meow <but she is a very nice girl, and good looking too!>
--
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Je poste, donc je suis
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