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Staniforth

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FOC <jjoo...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
> luck.


I finished Breakfast at Tiffany's last night (well, more or less... I
couldn't get into the final story, so I'm skipping it and giving Paul his
book back), so I'm either now going to finish Glamorama by Brett Easton
Ellis, which I've been leaving and returning to since April, or get more
serious about finishing Lipstick Traces. Though I've been reading more
poetry and biographies of poets, and that's starting to pique my interests.
And I also dug up my copy of Growing Up Absurd by Paul Goodman (interesting
sociological commentary on the Juvenile Delinquent culture of the 50s,
written in the 60s), and The Disappearance of Childhood by Neil Postman.

My problem is that I have so many books that I'm interested in that whenever
I get remotely bored by one, i just start another one and end up with 8 or
so going at the same time.

As well, I think it's official-- I'm never finishing Memoirs of A Dutiful
Daughter by Simone De Beauvoir. Too in-depth. Started it when I was in
Paris, made it about 200 pages in, and she's still doing autobio stuff of
her early teenage years. I'm just not that interested in her. Fuck it. I
think I should put that back on the shelf.

> Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but
> someone is sending me a copy soon.


Not his best. Get Still Life With Woodpecker or Another Roadside Attraction.
They're both stellar. And then move on to Thomas Pynchon. I've been
rereading some of his early short stories in the collection "Slow Learner"
lately, and they're damned good, but I'd suggest starting with The Crying Of
Lot 49.

Actually, if I'm in the mood for some really nutty summer reading I should
maybe think about cracking Mason & Dixon. It looks like a hell of a
challenge, but if it's anything even approaching Gravity's Rainbow it'll be
like having my brain taken out and run through a car wash.

--
"Beneath the paving stones, the beach."
-- Paris, 1968

Blah, blah, blah: http://agitated.tripod.com/boing.html

MissLali

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In article <MPG.13af53f14...@news.btinternet.com>, FOC
<jjoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
> luck.

Great book! Read the whole trilogy next ..

> Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but
> someone is sending me a copy soon.


This unlike most humans, was my fave Tom Robbins book. Utterly charming.

Lali

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"I would be a human being if I had a heart and soul/
but they took them both away and gave me rock and roll"

FOC

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The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
luck.

Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but

someone is sending me a copy soon.

--
Joel

Jack Tripper

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As w/many people, I'm reading a bunch of stuff at once:
Swann's Way by Proust
Finnegans Wake by Joyce (along with about 3 or 4 others telling me how
to read the bastard)
Mother Tongue by Bryson
Looking For Genet by Alfred Chester
Penthouse Forum


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supercat

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Hustler

LucasGunther

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The Shifting Realities of Philip K. Dick -- by Lawrence Sutin

Speedway Star

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From a smart red pillar box somewhere in Mayfair, MissLali
<lal...@yahoo.com> wrote...
>> The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
>> I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
>> luck.
>
>Great book! Read the whole trilogy next ..
>
I just read the Lloyd Hopkins trilogy, and came away wondering what was
the big fuss about James Ellroy. Did I just pick a dud book to start
with?

I'm in the middle of Little, Big, by John Crowley.

Jimbo
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http://www.penfold0.demon.co.uk/

Len

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I just finished A Confederacy of Dunces, which was really great.
--
"Break all the fucking rules and go to hell with Superman and die like a
champion yah hey!" --Bad Religion
"I've got a funny feeling that my times are caught in a jar". --Dropkick
Murphys
"Your system sucks and so do you!" -Against All Authority

What's my name?

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An autibiography of actor James Earl Jones.

Mike

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:10:09 +0100, FOC <jjoo...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
>I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
>luck.
>

Ruari

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The Mayor of Casterbridge

Ruari

FOC wrote in message ...

jared.

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>>Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but
someone is sending me a copy soon.

i'm in the middle of "half asleep in frog pajamas," by tom robbins. excellent
so far. i've heard good things about jitterbug perfume as well.


--

jared "i'm a big fucking shark"
alcoholics with cell phones (barely legal)
sf, ca
www.barelylegal.org
"Using bandwidth? Are we going to run out?"
- Mark Tomaino in alt.cult-movies.rocky-horror 6/24/99

LucasGunther

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MissLali wrote in regards to Jitterbug Perfume:

>This unlike most humans, was my fave Tom Robbins book. Utterly charming.

It was a really interesting change of pace for Robbins. I loved it!
Have you read his new one?
Another winner.


verotika

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Is that about the chick who was killed because she had infantile gentialia
and some guy wanted to fuck her
....crudest book review

FOC wrote:

> The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
> luck.
>

> Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but
> someone is sending me a copy soon.

> --
> Joel

--
ÐÏ à¡± á

verotika

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Kay this definitely wasn't what I thought it was ...fuck.
There was this famous murder case along time ago called the black dahlia or
something around there and this is what i thought it was.
so now everyone thinks I'm a fucked up pervert ...great ( sarcasm)

MissLali wrote:

> <jjoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> > I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
> > luck.
>

> Great book! Read the whole trilogy next ..
>

> > Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but
> > someone is sending me a copy soon.
>

> This unlike most humans, was my fave Tom Robbins book. Utterly charming.
>

> Lali
>
> --
> "I would be a human being if I had a heart and soul/
> but they took them both away and gave me rock and roll"

--
ÐÏ à¡± á

boboboNObo

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verotika wrote:
>
> for the articles right
>
> supercat wrote:
>
> > Hustler

The only times I ever buy Playboy, it IS for the interviews. Same with
Penthouse. My wife bought me a subscription the Hustler's Barely Legal
for Valentine's Day. She's a sweetie.
>
> --
> 邢 唷�--
Bryan

"I hate the kind of people who hate people like me."
--boboboNObo, in alt.punk, 6-5-00

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lost...@yahoo.com

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> Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but
> someone is sending me a copy soon.


I read 'even cowgirls get the blues' by Tom Robbins. It was a big, long
waste of time.


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Before you buy.

D.S.F.A.

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:38:48 GMT, verotika <ver...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>for the articles right
>
>supercat wrote:
>
>> Hustler

well unless you're a teen, there isn't much else in there to look at..
most 20 somethings have seen and experienced more than what they show
in that mag anyway

Elemeno123

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Jared wrote:
>i'm in the middle of "half asleep in frog pajamas," by tom robbins.
>excellent
>so far. i've heard good things about jitterbug perfume as well.

It is very good. I have multiple copies if you want to borrow it. Why don't
you read the fucking book I sent you two months ago?

-Sonja

supercat

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ds...@your.door.org (D.S.F.A.) wrote in <39458050...@news.alt.net>:

Are you implying that most people who look at pedestrian porn are virginal?
Most people have played baseball in their lives. Yet they still watch a
game on TV. Your level of idiocy is astounding.

Hugo M.

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In article <39456FF6...@sympatico.ca>,

ver...@sympatico.ca wrote:
> Is that about the chick who was killed because she had infantile
gentia=

> lia
> and some guy wanted to fuck her
> =2E...crudest book review

>
> FOC wrote:
>
> > The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> > I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight
with an=
> y
> > luck.

> >
> > Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it,
but=

>
> > someone is sending me a copy soon.
> > --
> > Joel
>
> --
> =D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1
>
> That book of lit-crit about P K DICK looks interesting, I'll hafta
track it down. Bout TIME he got some detailed attention.

Currently reading 'Sabbath's Theatre' by John Updike. Updike seems old
and kinda farty, but this book rocks. Bout a 70-year-old sex addict
who's made at the world and STILL goes to any unsavory lengths be
necessary to get laid... Right now, he's on his way to a funeral, but
got distracted by the idea of trying to panhandle...

Also plowing through a boring treatise on sexual activity in Costa
Rican jails by Jacobo Schiffter.

MissLali

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In article <20000612184714...@ng-bd1.news.gateway.net>,
lucasg...@gateway.net (LucasGunther) wrote:

> MissLali wrote in regards to Jitterbug Perfume:
>

> >This unlike most humans, was my fave Tom Robbins book. Utterly charming.
>

> It was a really interesting change of pace for Robbins. I loved it!
> Have you read his new one?
> Another winner.
>

Nope. Last I read - or halfway read was the one - geesh what was it
"Long Legs and All" or something like that. Didn't care for it one bit.
So.... Maybe I'll check out the new one, I've been dying for somehting
new to read.

MissLali

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In article <SdWL0FAn...@penfold0.demon.co.uk>, Speedway Star
<j...@penfold0.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> From a smart red pillar box somewhere in Mayfair, MissLali
> <lal...@yahoo.com> wrote...

> ><jjoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> >> I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with

> >> any
> >> luck.
> >
> >Great book! Read the whole trilogy next ..
> >

> I just read the Lloyd Hopkins trilogy, and came away wondering what was
> the big fuss about James Ellroy. Did I just pick a dud book to start
> with?


Yeah you did - the first of that trilogy was okay. Try LA Confidential,
Big Nowhere or American Tabloid.

BillyBudd

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Cities of the Red Night
William S Burroughs
Its one of the best books I think I have EVER read.
Billy Budd

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:10:09 +0100, FOC <jjoo...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
>I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
>luck.
>

>Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but

MissLali

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In article <MPG.13b061bce...@news.btinternet.com>, FOC
<jjoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <lali666-C5B107...@news.apple.com>,
> lal...@yahoo.com says...
> > In article <MPG.13af53f14...@news.btinternet.com>, FOC

> > <jjoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> > > I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with
> > > any
> > > luck.
> >

> > Great book! Read the whole trilogy next ..
>

> I plan to. Isn't it a quartet?
>
> Do any of the same characters appear in the other novels?

Yeah some of the peripheral characters - Dudley Smith, Mickey Cohen,
Johnny Stompanato. The quartet - are you including Black Dahlia - spans
a nearly twenty year time period: mid-forties up through the early
Kennedy administration.

> > > Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it,
> > > but
> > > someone is sending me a copy soon.
> >

> > This unlike most humans, was my fave Tom Robbins book. Utterly
> > charming.
>

> Ever read anything by Tim Sandlin? The person sending me their copy of
> the Jitterbug Perfume said I should check him out.

Nope.

FOC

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In article <lali666-C5B107...@news.apple.com>, lal...@yahoo.com says...
> In article <MPG.13af53f14...@news.btinternet.com>, FOC
> <jjoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> > I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
> > luck.
>
> Great book! Read the whole trilogy next ..

I plan to. Isn't it a quartet?

Do any of the same characters appear in the other novels?

> > Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but

> > someone is sending me a copy soon.
>
> This unlike most humans, was my fave Tom Robbins book. Utterly charming.

Ever read anything by Tim Sandlin? The person sending me their copy of
the Jitterbug Perfume said I should check him out.

--
Joel

boboboNObo

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*Angus, Thongs and Full-frontal Snogging*, a British young adult book
that my wife brought home from the library. Fucking hilarious. One of
the best things I've read in years. It is the author's first book. 2
more supposedly in the works.

FOC

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In article <39464ae3....@207.229.143.24>,
swordof...@hotmail.com says...

> Cities of the Red Night
> William S Burroughs
> Its one of the best books I think I have EVER read.

Really? I got really bored of it and re-read Junky instead.
--
Joel

herr nilbog ybbob

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In alt.punk, jjoo...@btinternet.com sez...

> The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with any
> luck.
>
> Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but
> someone is sending me a copy soon.
>


Microsoft Foundation Class

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boboboNObo

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verotika wrote:
>
> I have no problem w/ stuff like that...it's silly to freak out over shit
> like that.
> My boyfriend goes to the strip bar and I say have a good time and that's it
> ..plain and simple

My wife knows that I go to the strip club too. She went with us on New
Year's Eve, and afterwards my nephew and I were complaining about how
haggardly the dancers were. The regulars had said, "Fuck it" to working
that night, and they'd gotten in some trashy East St. Louis dancers to
take their place. She finally said that she was glad that THOSE weren't
the girls we had been talking about being so hot. She had been starting
to worry.
>
> boboboNObo wrote:


>
> > verotika wrote:
> > >
> > > for the articles right
> > >
> > > supercat wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hustler
> >

> > The only times I ever buy Playboy, it IS for the interviews. Same with
> > Penthouse. My wife bought me a subscription the Hustler's Barely Legal
> > for Valentine's Day. She's a sweetie.
> > >
> > > --

> > > 邢 唷�> > --


> > Bryan
> >
> > "I hate the kind of people who hate people like me."
> > --boboboNObo, in alt.punk, 6-5-00
> >
> > Visit Bobo Bonobo's Mortuary and Sausage Emporium,
> > on the Web at: http://www.thebonobos.com
> >
> > For your safety and protection, this sig. file has
> > been thoroughly tested on laboratory animals
>

> --
> 邢 唷�--
Bryan

"...strangers are one of the only two types of people
whom I DO have sex with."
--boboboNObo, in alt.tv.ally-mcbeal, 06-13-00

Matt Ostiguy

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Windows 2000 Resource Kit: Distributed systems guide.


A veritable page turner.


matt

verotika

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I have no problem w/ stuff like that...it's silly to freak out over shit
like that.
My boyfriend goes to the strip bar and I say have a good time and that's it
..plain and simple

boboboNObo wrote:

> verotika wrote:
> >
> > for the articles right
> >
> > supercat wrote:
> >
> > > Hustler
>
> The only times I ever buy Playboy, it IS for the interviews. Same with
> Penthouse. My wife bought me a subscription the Hustler's Barely Legal
> for Valentine's Day. She's a sweetie.
> >
> > --

> > ÐÏ à¡±


> --
> Bryan
>
> "I hate the kind of people who hate people like me."
> --boboboNObo, in alt.punk, 6-5-00
>
> Visit Bobo Bonobo's Mortuary and Sausage Emporium,
> on the Web at: http://www.thebonobos.com
>
> For your safety and protection, this sig. file has
> been thoroughly tested on laboratory animals

--
ÐÏ à¡± á

FOC

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In article <lali666-A9B292...@news.apple.com>, lal...@yahoo.com says...

> > Do any of the same characters appear in the other novels?
>

> Yeah some of the peripheral characters - Dudley Smith, Mickey Cohen,
> Johnny Stompanato. The quartet - are you including Black Dahlia -

Why wouldn't I? Is there something I'm missing?

> spans
> a nearly twenty year time period: mid-forties up through the early
> Kennedy administration.

Bring back childhood memories eh?

> > Ever read anything by Tim Sandlin? The person sending me their copy of
> > the Jitterbug Perfume said I should check him out.
>

> Nope.

Ok.

--
Joel

FOC

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In article <gMb15.136$_r3.4...@carnaval.risq.qc.ca>, jstaniNO_S...@po-box.mcgill.ca says...

> And I also dug up my copy of Growing Up Absurd by Paul Goodman (interesting
> sociological commentary on the Juvenile Delinquent culture of the 50s,
> written in the 60s)

That sounds pretty classy. I may have to find a copy.

> My problem is that I have so many books that I'm interested in that whenever
> I get remotely bored by one, i just start another one and end up with 8 or
> so going at the same time.

Same here. Then I forget about them, despite them being really good
reads.



> > Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it, but
> > someone is sending me a copy soon.
>

> Not his best. Get Still Life With Woodpecker or Another Roadside Attraction.
> They're both stellar. And then move on to Thomas Pynchon. I've been
> rereading some of his early short stories in the collection "Slow Learner"
> lately, and they're damned good, but I'd suggest starting with The Crying Of
> Lot 49.

Well, someone's sending em their copy of Jitterbug Perfume, so I'll read
it first, then move on.

--
Joel

kittenhead

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> > Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it,
but
> > someone is sending me a copy soon.
>
> Not his best. Get Still Life With Woodpecker or Another Roadside
Attraction.
> They're both stellar.

I loved Still Life ... I never read Jitterbug, but I actually heard
good things about it. I started reading Even Cowgirls Get the Blues,
but just couldn't get into it. This was prolly 15 years ago though,
perhaps I should give it another shot. I'm a much different person now.


--
Note to self:
It's not healthy to dwell on bad times and act all tragic and shit,
like you're the fragile, beautifully broken center of the universe.

Patrick

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Today on my walk home from getting a haircut I stopped at my town's used book
store that I had passed many times but never entered. I got Vonnegut's "Cat's
Cradle" and Kerouac's "On The Road" for $5 total. Those, and the two books I
have to read for AP English next year ("I Know This Much Is True" and "The
Poisonwood Bible" ) will probably make up most of my summer reading.

---Patrick
----
http://come.to/Insipid - my homepage
http://surf.to/KFMLyrics - a lyrics page

kittenhead

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> I read 'even cowgirls get the blues' by Tom Robbins. It was a big,
long
> waste of time.

yeah, i agree. i started it, thinking it would be as good as Still Life
w/ Woodpecker, but never finished it. i do that a lot. in fact, i'm
doing that right now with This Much I Know is True by Wally Lamb, which
came highly recommended by my mom.

becky2sox

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Patrick wrote

"I Know This Much Is True"

I really enjoyed this book, and his other book "She's Come Undone". I know,
I know, Oprah promoted She's Come Undone, but it was really good anyways.

becky

becky2sox

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Wine Making for Dummies

When we move into a bigger place I'm going to get into this stuff in a
serious way. Fun!

becky

roni...@my-deja.com

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I've been on kind of a Zen kick recently (no Beat pun intended) and
just started the bio of Shunryu Suzuki.

Next up is the new one by Pico Iyer that I managed to snag for cheap at
a book sale.

--
== Brian Ruh
"Changing the filter, wiping noses, going to meetings, picking up around
the house, washing dishes, checking the dip stick, don't let yourself
think these are distracting you from your more serious pursuits." -- G.
Snyder

Staniforth

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<roni...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8i9on5$53m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

>
>
> I've been on kind of a Zen kick recently (no Beat pun intended) and
> just started the bio of Shunryu Suzuki.


Hey, out of curiosity, Brian, do you practice Zen? I went for a morning
zazen session with the Montreal Zen Centre de la Main a few weeks ago and it
was both excruciating and bewilderingly amazing. Do you do that? What's your
take on it?

--
"One of the sweetest fruits of victory, after sleep and looting, must be
the chance to ignore no-parking signs."
-- Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Blah, blah, blah: http://agitated.tripod.com/boing.html

roni...@my-deja.com

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In article <fg025.2086$_r3.1...@carnaval.risq.qc.ca>,

"Staniforth" <jstaniNO_S...@po-box.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>
> <roni...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8i9on5
$53m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> >
> > I've been on kind of a Zen kick recently (no Beat pun intended) and
> > just started the bio of Shunryu Suzuki.
>
> Hey, out of curiosity, Brian, do you practice Zen? I went for a
> morning zazen session with the Montreal Zen Centre de la Main a few
> weeks ago and it was both excruciating and bewilderingly amazing. Do
> you do that? What's your take on it?

I've sat zazen before, although not much. I've actually been meaning to
get more into it.

Generally, I like it -- there is something appealing about "just
sitting." I also like the fact that it's very personal and not
necessarily religious. I guess I'm thinking of a religion as a set of
beliefs that has something to say about the grand mysteries of the
world (is there a god, afterlife, etc.) I like the fact that a lot of
Zen stays mute on these subjects -- one can sit in meditation and be an
agnostic (which I guess best describes me) or athiest with no
contradictions.

With that said, I didn't like the zen I experienced when I took a tour
of a Zen monastery (actually a nunnery) in Japan. Mainly because this
was one of those places where someone is patroling with a stick to
give youa few whacks to "help" your practice if you get sleepy or
slouch into bad form. I just felt constantly nervous, and as a result
couldn't really get into it. (That and I'd had a bit too much to drink
the previous night and still didn't quite feel well.)

So I guess I'd have to say that I've really liked most of my
experiences with personal Zen practice, although I'm not really
terribly fond of the institution in general.

Kidd Miracle

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On My Shelf This Year:

Database Nation (Simson Garfinkel)
The Code Book (Simon Singh)
Cryptonomicon (Neal Stephenson)
Up-Tight: The Story of the Velvet Underground (Victor Bockris)
Please Kill Me (Legs McNeil, Gillian McCain)
Essays and Aphorisms (Arthur Schopenhauer)
Resurrection (Leo Tolstoy)
From Hell (Alan Moore. Eddie Campbell)
An Incomplete Education (Judy Jones, William Nilson)

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yng...@my-deja.com

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I'm reading an online horror novel called "See You In Hell".
I like it, it's different. It's @ www.c-u-n-hell.com.

> The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy.
> I only started it this morning, and I plan to finish it tonight with
any
> luck.
>

> Next up: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. I've never heard of it,
but
> someone is sending me a copy soon.

> --
> Joel

DeathHag

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"The Book: on the taboo against knowing who you are"

clare carnage

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hannibal, its great, i wonder how they are going to do a movie without having
to rate it "R", its got some gory stuff in it, just how i like.

yummmmmmmm, "sweetbread"

Clare C.
lisa simpson: "what are you reading mr flanders?"
ned flanders: "everything but the opinion page. i don't need to be told what
to think, .................atleast by anyone whose living."

bad penny

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Skinny Legs and All

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verotika

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Jun 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/17/00
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Fuck I read that when it cam out 38.00 fucking dollars
shit but I loved it ...tell me when you reach the end and we'll chat .
fuckin good book everyone should read it ..not life changing or nothing just a
good read.

clare carnage wrote:

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joey the banned one

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Jun 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/17/00
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a phl ochs biography! fucking amazing!

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We are the worm in the wood!
We are the rot at the root!
We are the taint in the blood!
We are the thorn inthe foot!

-Rudyard Kipling

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Jack Tripper

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is it?? I was gonna pick that up, but it was in hardcover and i wasn't
sure i wanted to risk that kinda wad...who writes it? I'll track it
down on amazon...

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Jun 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/19/00
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What's it called, who's it by and where can I find a copy?

Saira

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