Oopps I did it again
Andrew d
not going. About 3 years ago they played and known Nazi's turned up, they
weren't the usuall skin heed clones but shell suit wearing fat boys from all
over the North East. I was there with about 5 or 6 mates and about 30 - 40
"I'm not political" punks. Why is it that so many of the veteren punk bands
seem to attract this crowd? Another example was I went to see Madness at
Christmas at the Arena in Newcastle (we didn't pay the full amount as we
were working as stewards so blagged our way in) and there were about 30 to
40 people with nazi parafenalia ie skrewdriver shirts, blood & honour etc.
A mate of mine who goes to Holidays in the Sun every year also has seen this
kind of thing. Anyone got an opinion?
--
ottodeth
yeah....that suckz
that blows my mind about Varukers
you'd think nazi's would hate that wonderful band
and i never would of thought madness would atract nazi's
........never
Venituri
Unfortunately, Madness in their very early days made one or two ill
thought out comments (as did the Jam) which, along with playing North
London style ska got them a naziskin following. Ottodeth is right about
the football chant singing as well. Having given the whole thing some
thought, punk/Oi! bands tend to attract a crowd who are disenchanted in
some way, either with commercial music or with the political system.
These people are ideal targets for recruitment by those with an extreme
vision - the SWP (Socialist Worker's Party) do the same from the "other"
direction. Yeah it's scary, especially for those of us (ie me) of a
skunk pursauasion, Oh yeah Andy D. might see you around some time, me
bein' north of the Tyne an' all. (I don't get out much and when I do
I'm pushig a buggy)
Venituri
someone and the somebodies
>
>ottodeth said something like:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:12:26 +0100, "Andrew d"
>><ludd...@hoof77.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>The Varukers are playing my local tonight (Cumberland Arms Newcastle), I'm
>>>not going. About 3 years ago they played and known Nazi's turned up, they
>>>weren't the usuall skin heed clones but shell suit wearing fat boys from all
>>>over the North East. I was there with about 5 or 6 mates and about 30 - 40
>>>"I'm not political" punks. Why is it that so many of the veteren punk bands
>>>seem to attract this crowd? Another example was I went to see Madness at
>>>Christmas at the Arena in Newcastle (we didn't pay the full amount as we
>>>were working as stewards so blagged our way in) and there were about 30 to
>>>40 people with nazi parafenalia ie skrewdriver shirts, blood & honour etc.
>>>A mate of mine who goes to Holidays in the Sun every year also has seen this
>>>kind of thing. Anyone got an opinion?
>>yeah....that suckz
>>that blows my mind about Varukers
>>you'd think nazi's would hate that wonderful band
>>
>>and i never would of thought madness would atract nazi's
>>........never
>
>than he did 300 years ago? spooky.
>
even more spooky, he's us on another day.
Andrew d
Venituri wrote in message <394C002F...@redhotant.com>...
>Unfortunately, Madness in their very early days made one or two ill
>thought out comments (as did the Jam) which, along with playing North
>London style ska got them a naziskin following. Ottodeth is right about
>the football chant singing as well. Having given the whole thing some
>thought, punk/Oi! bands tend to attract a crowd who are disenchanted in
>some way, either with commercial music or with the political system.
>These people are ideal targets for recruitment by those with an extreme
>vision - the SWP (Socialist Worker's Party) do the same from the "other"
>direction. Yeah it's scary, especially for those of us (ie me) of a
>skunk pursauasion, Oh yeah Andy D. might see you around some time, me
>bein' north of the Tyne an' all. (I don't get out much and when I do
>I'm pushig a buggy)
>Venituri
Funny that, I bought a buggy today (or should I say Travel System). I
couldn't believe how expensive buggys and prams are. And another thing, how
many beds does one baby need, "we need a moses basket, a cot, a pram, a
buggy a play pen.." the list goes on.
Where from North of the Tyne you pushing that buggy then Venituri? Me I'm
in Heaton, soon to be High Heaton if the council pull their fingers out
their collective arses.
Dickie
someone and the somebodies
>he...@your.house (someone and the somebodies) said something like:
>
>>>is it me or does that singer from madness not look any different now
>>>than he did 300 years ago? spooky.
>>>
>>even more spooky, he's us on another day.
>
>
depends, what time is it?
Venituri
Jesmond (lah-di-dah). Babies do quite well in a drawer or Doc Martens'
box. They will happily sleep anywhere but a crib is easier in your
bedrom and a cot in their own room. A moses basket can be carried
around. A baby is a marketeers dream. We could set up an
alt.punk.parenting ng. Then we wouldn't bore everyone else shitless with
babytalk.
Venituri
Venituri
>
>
> what's a skunk? i only got my life back from the sprogs a few years
> ago and i keep hearing all these strange terms like emo, sex, straight
> edge, old school, etc.
>
A skunk is a skinhead/punk. I had to get rid of the mohican to try and
get work and a skin is the next best thing. I've always liked pigeon
holing myself, I once thought of writing the Observer's Book of Youth
Cults. If you like I'm a Gothic Skunk. It don't mean anything except
to me, but it keeps me happy.
Venituri
ottodeth
wrote:
no way i'll die with my hawk
they'll never get me!!
yes i work :-]
ottodeth
wrote:
>Venituri <veni...@redhotant.com> said something like:
>
>>Roonerbaby wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> what's a skunk? i only got my life back from the sprogs a few years
>>> ago and i keep hearing all these strange terms like emo, sex, straight
>>> edge, old school, etc.
>>>
>>A skunk is a skinhead/punk. I had to get rid of the mohican to try and
>>get work and a skin is the next best thing. I've always liked pigeon
>>holing myself, I once thought of writing the Observer's Book of Youth
>>Cults. If you like I'm a Gothic Skunk. It don't mean anything except
>>to me, but it keeps me happy.
>>Venituri
>
>otto doesn't believe there are any nice skinheads. maybe there isn't
>any in america judging by alt.skinhead. most interviewing type people
>always seemed to have sort of negative mohicans, with little tufts
>sticking out of the side of their bald head.
thats coz i never met 1 {skindeadz that is}
ottodeth
ottodeth
wrote:
>Venituri <veni...@redhotant.com> said something like:
>
>>We're from Sandyford (thats the electoral name) but people think its
>>Jesmond (lah-di-dah). Babies do quite well in a drawer or Doc Martens'
>>box. They will happily sleep anywhere but a crib is easier in your
>>bedrom and a cot in their own room. A moses basket can be carried
>>around. A baby is a marketeers dream. We could set up an
>>alt.punk.parenting ng. Then we wouldn't bore everyone else shitless with
>>babytalk.
>>Venituri
>
>not really worth sticking them in their own room until they start to
>stay asleep for more than 3 hours at a time. when you're wandering
>about asleep in the dark with bottles of milk the less things you can
>bump into the better.
>
>so, what records did you put on for yours to lul it to sleep? lard's
>power of lard always worked for us. neighbours didn't care much for it
>at 1am, 4 am and 7am though.
my kola liked
anything reggae
bad brains attitude rior sessions {which totally shocked me that any1
let alone a kid could sleep to that}
and when she was just brought home{1 day after my b-day }
until she stoped waking up in the middle of the night was stones
roses-"fools gold"
it'd put her in my arms and gently dance
---she'd be asleep be the end of the song---------most times :-]
i tell the expecting moms at work about it as friendly parenting
advice
Venituri
>
> so, what records did you put on for yours to lul it to sleep? lard's
> power of lard always worked for us. neighbours didn't care much for it
> at 1am, 4 am and 7am though.
>
complex beat or heavy bassline. Our nearest neighbours are half a mile
away.
Venituri
Venituri
> >otto doesn't believe there are any nice skinheads. maybe there isn't
> >any in america judging by alt.skinhead. most interviewing type people
> >always seemed to have sort of negative mohicans, with little tufts
> >sticking out of the side of their bald head.
>
> thats coz i never met 1 {skindeadz that is}
I've heard about the US skins, there's quite a few like that in UK too,
the hammerskins - into racial hatred and other crap like that. British
skins are, by and large, a mixed bag. There are SHARPskins (Skinheads
Against Racial Prejudice)and redskins (leftwing), the 2tone movement had
a lot to do with creating renewed interest in ska and also evolving
leftish skin factions. Punk, ska, reggae and Goth were the music of my
youth in the midlands, I think these influences will always affect the
way I think and do things.
Glad u could keep the moke, there's so much competition for work in this
area. I reckon however that even if I was mister straight, I couldn't
get work due to my Union activist and political record - I just don't
like being pushed around by management jerks.
Venituri
Active Funerals
--
: : :
<ottodeth> wrote in message
news:8q3uks0t9dgtbcd02...@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:40:34 +0100, Venituri <veni...@redhotant.com>
| wrote:
|
| >Roonerbaby wrote:
| >>
| >
| >>
| >> what's a skunk? i only got my life back from the sprogs a few years
| >> ago and i keep hearing all these strange terms like emo, sex, straight
| >> edge, old school, etc.
| >>
| >A skunk is a skinhead/punk. I had to get rid of the mohican to try and
| >get work and a skin is the next best thing. I've always liked pigeon
| >holing myself, I once thought of writing the Observer's Book of Youth
| >Cults. If you like I'm a Gothic Skunk. It don't mean anything except
| >to me, but it keeps me happy.
| >Venituri
| no way i'll die with my hawk
| they'll never get me!!
| yes i work :-]
Get real. This is the year 2000. Let's chat about Britney Spears.
Andrew d
>womb or something. power of lard was something we listened to a lot,
>but not the only thing we listened to.
>
I fully intend Dickie Jnr to grow up on a steady diet of early ska, alot of
Big Black, mucho Spazz, and an overdose of Hellnation. If he (we've been
told it's a he by the RVI, but it's still an educated guess) keeps me awake
then I'm afraid its some of the mothers records (Misfits, Danzig, All,
Aswad).
This could be a new thread:- how to be a punk parent and how to influence
your kids. Anyone been sucessfull? I don't just mean in music but the
whole political and moral standpoint. For example, it's 2000 and its been a
while since I've been at school, but I'd like my kids to have the same
viewpoint on life and have the Cavalier, DIY spirit that I lacked while at
school but picked up later, much later.
John WHY
Not really sure why the old bands get these crowds. I know that many bands
from the 'golden era' regard themselves as non-political so maybe that could
be a reason. I wouldn't have put Varukers in that catagory though. As for
Madness getting the nazi crowd I can fully understand this. The band NEVER
say anything political but it is also widely known that Suggs used to be a
roadie for Skrewdriver (before they went all right wing). He remained a
friend of Ian Stuart though.
I've also heard that the H.I.T.S attracts a dodgy crowd and there was a
bloke selling nazi band shirts there last year (until someone told the very
big black bouncer what was going on). Best advice is not to go anyway. It's
a load of money to see bands that should have called it a day a long time
back.
John.
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Andrew d <ludd...@hoof77.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8ie1ng$dss$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> The Varukers are playing my local tonight (Cumberland Arms Newcastle), I'm
> not going. About 3 years ago they played and known Nazi's turned up, they
> weren't the usuall skin heed clones but shell suit wearing fat boys from
all
> over the North East. I was there with about 5 or 6 mates and about 30 -
40
> "I'm not political" punks. Why is it that so many of the veteren punk
bands
> seem to attract this crowd? Another example was I went to see Madness at
> Christmas at the Arena in Newcastle (we didn't pay the full amount as we
> were working as stewards so blagged our way in) and there were about 30 to
> 40 people with nazi parafenalia ie skrewdriver shirts, blood & honour etc.
> A mate of mine who goes to Holidays in the Sun every year also has seen
this
> kind of thing. Anyone got an opinion?
>
> --
>
> Dickie
> www.hoof77.freeserve.co.uk
>
>
David Direktor
It looks as though the time has come to revive the Rock Against Racism
flag and remind the modern "punks" what was going on twenty+ years ago
--
Dave Direktor,
Information Specialist
IMI (Tami) Institute for Research and Development Ltd.
Tel. +972-4-8469581
Fax. +972-4-8469320
http://www.tami-imi.com
d...@tami-imi.co.il
Venituri
>
> It looks as though the time has come to revive the Rock Against Racism
> flag and remind the modern "punks" what was going on twenty+ years ago
>
>
the reigns again.
Venituri
mikejones
any info in the last 20 years...
Spandau Ballet? we had John Revolta & Olivier Neutron Bomb! Kids today
mumble mumble *proper beer* mumble 50p a pint proper labour government
mumble. When I was a lad William Hague was too! and look what good it did
*him*.
"Venituri" <veni...@redhotant.com> wrote in message
news:3958CF71...@redhotant.com...
Venituri
>
> I'll have you know I'm a life member of the ANL - not that they've sent me
> any info in the last 20 years...
>
> Spandau Ballet? we had John Revolta & Olivier Neutron Bomb! Kids today
> mumble mumble *proper beer* mumble 50p a pint proper labour government
> mumble. When I was a lad William Hague was too! and look what good it did
> *him*.
>
some of the finest ppl I know. But I just don't like the idea of them
grabbing power - even as an 'interim revolutionary government'. I don't
like the idea of any one in power. AAAh beer at 50p a pint.
Venituri (previously a SWP district chair and branch organiser so I know
what I'm talking about)
Andrew d
Venituri wrote in message <3959B535...@redhotant.com>...
Hey Venituri,
I used to hang about (and still do) with Tyneside Anarchist Group people.
We used to set up a stall at the monument on Saturdays and the swappies were
always there (you included?), sometimes taking the piss sometimes on the
receiving end of a bit of banter but nothing more than "our group is better
than your's" jibes. It must be about 5 or 6 years ago I'm talking about.
I'm still an anarchist but neglect sitting on stone paving slabs on a
freezing cold Saturday these days. So whats the story with you? You seem
pretty scathing about the SWP. Was it their constant band wangon jumping or
was obvious well-to-do folks trying desperately to sound "Northern" or
working class? (Just a bit of friendly banter)
Oh and by the way, there used to be a swappie who was at least 7foot tall
with a skin head (well no2, if I'm picky) who was always on the streets of
toon. Never seen him around for a long time.
--
Dickie
www.hoof77.freeserve.co.uk
Andrew d
>
>>I fully intend Dickie Jnr to grow up on a steady diet of early ska, alot
of
>>Big Black, mucho Spazz, and an overdose of Hellnation. If he (we've been
>>told it's a he by the RVI, but it's still an educated guess) keeps me
awake
>>then I'm afraid its some of the mothers records (Misfits, Danzig, All,
>>Aswad).
>>
>>This could be a new thread:- how to be a punk parent and how to influence
>>your kids. Anyone been sucessfull? I don't just mean in music but the
>>whole political and moral standpoint. For example, it's 2000 and its been
a
>>while since I've been at school, but I'd like my kids to have the same
>>viewpoint on life and have the Cavalier, DIY spirit that I lacked while at
>>school but picked up later, much later.
>
>can mold them any way you want until they're 5 and they start school.
>after that you have to de-program them every day.
>
>we failed miserably music wise. after such a promising start she soon
>degenerated into spice girls, britney spears, etc. but she does like
>we've got a fuzzbox's boostin steve austin, and still plays the cd i
>made her of it. at first i thought it was the female vocals she went
>for, but when i tried her with detestation she ran away muttering
>something about 'dad's horrible music'.
>
>so far the boy hasn't shown any interest in music whatsoever outside
>the 'wheels on the bus' type stuff, but it's early days yet.
>
>morally we scored a huge victory over school when we explained our
>views on the meat industry and she agreed with us. not sure what we
>would've done if she hadn't though.
>
Hey Roonerbaby, did you see detestation on their 98 UK tour? We played with
them in Newcastle and Bradford with Urko (another great band). Ive got some
photo's I might upload tonight (if I don't drink to much cider). They were
supperb, the drummer stripped naked for about half the set in Bradford. A
strange sight.
Mr Dickie
Andrew d
Andrew d wrote in message <8jirvs$qu9$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Sorry drunk too much cider. (Can't be arsed tonight more like)
Venituri
>
>
> Hey Venituri,
> I used to hang about (and still do) with Tyneside Anarchist Group people.
> We used to set up a stall at the monument on Saturdays and the swappies were
> always there (you included?), sometimes taking the piss sometimes on the
> receiving end of a bit of banter but nothing more than "our group is better
> than your's" jibes. It must be about 5 or 6 years ago I'm talking about.
> I'm still an anarchist but neglect sitting on stone paving slabs on a
> freezing cold Saturday these days. So whats the story with you? You seem
> pretty scathing about the SWP. Was it their constant band wangon jumping or
> was obvious well-to-do folks trying desperately to sound "Northern" or
> working class? (Just a bit of friendly banter)
>
> Oh and by the way, there used to be a swappie who was at least 7foot tall
> with a skin head (well no2, if I'm picky) who was always on the streets of
> toon. Never seen him around for a long time.
>
> --
>
> Dickie
> www.hoof77.freeserve.co.uk
I was down in tne Black Country (Working class district west of
Birmingham UK) at the time. I've met a few Tag ppl through TAPP.
I still have a strong Black Country accent. I was at 'Marxism' in 95
when some Glaswegians told me it was a comfort to them to hear another
working class voice. 'nuff said. I was expelled for being too
'workerist'. The factory I was working in at the time had a strong
contingent of NF and KKK, they had clout because they were ALL working
class, any SWP turned up to sell papers were sussed for the teachers and
social workers they were. I was tolerated 'cos I still turned up for my
shift and still argued my case, day after day: fascists have this
tendency to admire loyalty and courage I suppose.
Venituri
ottodeth
wrote:
>
>>
>> It looks as though the time has come to revive the Rock Against Racism
>> flag and remind the modern "punks" what was going on twenty+ years ago
>>
>>
>Damn right, so long as the SWP/ANL don't jump on the bandwagon and grab
>the reigns again.
>Venituri
the bands should not put up with it !!!
set an example
ottodeth
wrote:
>tendency to admire loyalty and courage
dont most people??!!!
Venituri
Yeah, but fascists/nazis tend to fetishise those values.
Venituri
ottodeth
wrote:
nazi's suck......
fought with them all my life.....
most being skinheadz
ottodeth
wrote:
>been reading alt.revisionism (don't go there) and a few of the links
kool...thanx for the warning :-]
>that people post there. i'm starting to think the bonehead nazis
>aren't the real enemy they're just a smokescreen to keep us busy while
>the real enemy continues with its own agenda. depressing stuff, but it
>puts it all into perspective for me.
>
yup......couldn't agree more....
they're just another tool
Venituri
their finances. And damn right the worst ones ain't skins at all, but
'respectable' neighbourly folk (unless yer black, gay, Jewish etc etc ad
nauseum ad tedium).
Venituri