Swervedriver vs. Skrewdriver
Matt
drawers when i thought i saw Skrewdrive in there.
But it was Swervedriver.
Matt
- ahhhh, one of the same anyways
Rÿan
>was looking in my dad's Columbia House catalog today, just about shit my
>drawers when i thought i saw Skrewdrive in there.
>But it was Swervedriver.
I freaking hate Swervedriver.
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Matt
>
> Matt <mat...@linkny.com> wrote:
>
> >was looking in my dad's Columbia House catalog today, just about shit my
> >drawers when i thought i saw Skrewdrive in there.
>
> >But it was Swervedriver.
>
> I freaking hate Swervedriver.
guy, i hear ya.
Matt
Homesick
Rÿan
>> Matt
>I think they are better than skrewdriver.
That kinda goes without saying.
But Swervedriver are SO mediocre,
and all my friends are nuts about them.
I hate it.
Grrr.
Matt
>
> Matt wrote:
> >
> > R˙an wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt <mat...@linkny.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >was looking in my dad's Columbia House catalog today, just about shit my
> > > >drawers when i thought i saw Skrewdrive in there.
> > >
> > > >But it was Swervedriver.
> > >
> > > I freaking hate Swervedriver.
> >
> > guy, i hear ya.
> >
> I think they are better than skrewdriver.
from what i've hear, many say that early Skrewdriver (pre-white power
bullshit) is decent. wouldn't know though. does anyone here listen to
oi?
Matt
- take the skinheads bowling
Quarren
>bullshit) is decent. wouldn't know though. does anyone here listen to
>oi?
People who say that are fence-sitting closet nazi's trying to lamely justify
collecting a band whose only "selling point" was their racist lyrics. Wanna
check out Skrewdriver? www.resistance.com is a big white power label, they'll
probably have that shit there or links to where you can find sound files.
Yeah, I checked it out back in the day, so what? This satanic magazine I used
to read was all on Rahowa's jock, so I wanted to hear what they sounded like..
nordic wannabe bullshit...
Levi A.
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Matt
>
> >from what i've hear, many say that early Skrewdriver (pre-white power
> >bullshit) is decent. wouldn't know though. does anyone here listen to
> >oi?
>
> People who say that are fence-sitting closet nazi's trying to lamely justify
> collecting a band whose only "selling point" was their racist lyrics. Wanna
> check out Skrewdriver? www.resistance.com is a big white power label, they'll
> probably have that shit there or links to where you can find sound files.
>
> Yeah, I checked it out back in the day, so what? This satanic magazine I used
> to read was all on Rahowa's jock, so I wanted to hear what they sounded like..
> nordic wannabe bullshit...
>
> Levi A.
yeah, i've never heard *any* lyrics of Skrewdriver, early or otherwise.
i found it kinda hard to believe that any band would just automatically
begin producing white power music without being neo-nazis all along. i
wouldn't even touch the stuff knowing of the bands history even if they
did in fact make a non-white power record.
Matt
- just thought i'd clarify that for everyone
btw, anyone know of any non-racist oi bands?
Ralf 'spitbrother' Sandner
Swervedriver vs. Skrewdriver" :
>btw, anyone know of any non-racist oi bands?
oi polloi :-)
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Matt
>
> : yeah, i've never heard *any* lyrics of Skrewdriver, early or otherwise.
> : i found it kinda hard to believe that any band would just automatically
> : begin producing white power music without being neo-nazis all along. i
> : wouldn't even touch the stuff knowing of the bands history even if they
> : did in fact make a non-white power record.
>
>
> I think that sums it up pretty well.
>
> : btw, anyone know of any non-racist oi bands?
>
> That is a joke, isn't it? Oi wouldn't exist without the racism in the
> lyrics.... it'd be like rap with the rapping ;)
>
this skinhead thing is a real mess. as far as i know, white-power skins
didn't show up until the mid-80's with Geraldo and all that bullshit.
many skins contend they aren't racist (s.h.a.r.p.s.?) but whether many
of them are homophobes, etc. is debatable. a Jewish punk i know listens
to early pre-White power oi and contends it is simply fast, violent,
middle-class street punk. the Skinhead FAQ contends that "boneheads"
(white power skins) make up a very small portion of so-called skins and
they simply took on the skin look to appear more threatening.
i don't know what to make of it - has anyone else read anything about
skins or are there any skins lurking out there? in the mean time, from
what i have read about british skinhead history i see it like this: most
skins of the past were not racist, but simply proud, working class kids.
i don't know about nowadays - it's probably split down the middle
between "traditional" skins and boneheads.
Matt
- not a skin and certainly not racist
Matt
pretty much explains the skin/oi stuff we were talking about earlier,
just in case someone cares........
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Matt,
I don't know if I'd call myself an expert in the skin scene, but I do
know
a fair bit about it. You're right - racist skins are in the minority.
The
original skins (SHARPs, as they have since called themselves - as you
correctly wrote) appeared in the 1960s and were into drinking, brawling
and ska - something definitely not racist, as the musicians were
virtually
all black. It wasn't until the late 1970s/early 80s that this changed,
when the British National Party (amongst others) began to recruit skins
for their own purposes. Oi is a derivation of punk, and has nothing to
do
with ska (as you'd know). I'm sure you've heard of the shoelace method
of
identification - although I don't know how far this is really true, but
it
does work some of the time.
> i don't know what to make of it - has anyone else read anything about
> skins or are there any skins lurking out there? in the mean time, from
> what i have read about british skinhead history i see it like this: most
> skins of the past were not racist, but simply proud, working class kids.
Right on.
> i don't know about nowadays - it's probably split down the middle
> between "traditional" skins and boneheads.
Again, hard to say, and it depends where you are - in Adelaide (my home)
there are virtually no skins, and those which are here, are racist. In
Germany it is more a way of youth revolt against the government - the
vast
majority of skins there are working class, have no future, and are just
seeking a way to have a go at the state, and in Germany there is no
better
way to do this than to attack foreigners. Their insecurity is also
expressed through these attacks.
I've got a bit of German oi, which I've collected for my study, and,
believe me, most of it is not worth listening to. There are a few bands
which can really play, and generally, these bands have tried to
whitewash
their pasts to make it big, but this is generally a facade.
Anthony - not a skin, and also definitely not a racist :)
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ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
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>On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 07:46:28 -0500, Matt <mat...@linkny.com> wrote about
>"Re:
>Swervedriver vs. Skrewdriver" :
>
>
I can't remember, it's so long ago, but I can't imagine I would have
bought the Oi! stuff I've got if the bands had been racist.
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>from what i've hear, many say that early Skrewdriver (pre-white power
>bullshit) is decent. wouldn't know though. does anyone here listen to
>oi?
SAMOAN666
>collecting a band whose only "selling point" was their racist lyrics. Wanna
>check out Skrewdriver? www.resistance.com is a big white power label,
>they'll
>probably have that shit there or links to where you can find sound files.
>
>Yeah, I checked it out back in the day, so what? This satanic magazine I
>used
>to read was all on Rahowa's jock, so I wanted to hear what they sounded
>like..
>nordic wannabe bullshit...
>
>
I don't claim to be a nazi and I like Skrewdriver
up until the after the fire Lp..then I lost track..intrest...bored the shit out
of me
Rahowa is pure crap
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: i found it kinda hard to believe that any band would just automatically
: begin producing white power music without being neo-nazis all along. i
: wouldn't even touch the stuff knowing of the bands history even if they
: did in fact make a non-white power record.
Just have a look at the way the singer has become a 'martyr' for faschos...
I think that sums it up pretty well.
: btw, anyone know of any non-racist oi bands?
That is a joke, isn't it? Oi wouldn't exist without the racism in the
lyrics.... it'd be like rap with the rapping ;)
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>I don't like communists
There's a contradiction in there!
Levi a.
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qua...@aol.com (Quarren) wrote:
> >from what i've hear, many say that early Skrewdriver (pre-white power
> >bullshit) is decent. wouldn't know though. does anyone here listen to
> >oi?
>
> collecting a band whose only "selling point" was their racist lyrics.
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I love early Skrewdriver. Show me
how liking music makes me a fence-sitting closet nazi, you ill-informed moron.
I'd love to hear it.
Simon
[BTW, the original poster *did* say "pre-white power bullshit", which means
there *would* be no racist lyrics...]
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>
> Levi A.
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> LOVE I WILL SACRIFICE. Not for those I've never seen." - Indescision
>
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al...@chomsky.arts.adelaide.edu.au (Anthony Long) wrote:
> : yeah, i've never heard *any* lyrics of Skrewdriver, early or otherwise.
> : i found it kinda hard to believe that any band would just automatically
> : begin producing white power music without being neo-nazis all along. i
> : wouldn't even touch the stuff knowing of the bands history even if they
> : did in fact make a non-white power record.
>
> Just have a look at the way the singer has become a 'martyr' for faschos...
>
> I think that sums it up pretty well.
Well, I don't doubt that Ian was always a fuckin' bonehead twit... but the
Skrewdriver that released the "All Skrewed Up" lp was *NOT* a racist
propaganda band. They were just a punk rock band. By the time Skrewdriver
began using racist lyrics, they were a totally different band.
Anyway, early Skrewdriver (even their first couple of bonehead releases) is
classic streetpunk, and Ian had a great voice and believe it or not was an
excellent songwriter. If you don't like their music, or don't believe in
listening to music made by idiots, that's fine with me... But you should at
least know a little bit about what you're talking about before you post
ignorant messages... such as the following...
>
> : btw, anyone know of any non-racist oi bands?
>
> That is a joke, isn't it? Oi wouldn't exist without the racism in the
> lyrics.... it'd be like rap with the rapping ;)
PLEASE tell that you're joking... I won't even bother to respond to this
unless you tell me you're not trolling...
Simon
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Matt
some are racist, most are not.
Matt
- and both are working class
CameronKor
>> >bullshit) is decent. wouldn't know though. does anyone here listen to
>> >oi?
>>
>> People who say that are fence-sitting closet nazi's trying to
>lamely justify
>> collecting a band whose only "selling point" was their racist lyrics.
>
>That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I love early Skrewdriver. Show
>me
>how liking music makes me a fence-sitting closet nazi, you ill-informed
>moron.
>I'd love to hear it.
>
>Simon
exactly right....the first 7" put out by skrewdriver they actualy had mohawks
and spiked hair...the first band ian stuart started was the tumblind dice...a
rolling stones influenced band...doesent sound very racist too me....members of
the first incarnation of skrewdriver later were in another band called
antisocial a non racist band
"we came to wreck everything and ruin your life, god sent us"
CameronKor
>> lyrics.... it'd be like rap with the rapping ;)
hardcore as you know it would not exist without Oi, Oi is not racist
music....the racist music that fits under the Oi banner has a name of its own
its called RAC.....most white power music put out today is basically hardcore
and metal...not genrally Oi......
cheers,
Cameron