Well I've moved it at least!!!
Heather
think I've blighted his cyber life enough for the moment and what a lot
of time he spends here. I came across someone saying if he had so much
time on his hands why didn't he spend it with his daughter.
Well we know the answer to that. His time is usually spent doing the
following.
1. Sitting for hours in cyber world talking drivel.
2. Being a cheating love/sex rat and shagging a host of women most of
whom didn't know the others existed and travelling vast distances to
do the said acts.(Probably a lot out there who still don't know)
3. Going back into cyber world to twitter on about said women.
4. Most of it has been used up "trying" to be an actor and being
unemployed for many years.
5. Buying every Oldfield rehash of TB.
I must add he made a very good CD and he has got a lovely voice. He
does have talent and should have done something a bit more constructive
with his time and pursued a career.
But you know I'll stop here. Peace in the Amy Grant newsgroup has been
declared.Hey isn't it great that he's also got to deal with me in real
life.
Heather
A woman he's been trying to resolve for 15 years.
A note to Denise.
Maybe you do know all the facts. So it really makes me wonder why you
of all people are defending him.
You've also got to bear in mind I was the woman he said he loved but
still manged to conceal his other life from me for 8-10 years. ( well
people I was bringing up 2 children, studying for a degree and
working).
So do you really think he's told you everything, especially the new
facts that I've only just found out about?
As for not working right now I'm sorry maybe I should have attempted to
carry on with my last job while suffering from a torn calf muscle and I
might have had my contract renewed. My older daughter knows that he
isn't her father. He died over 13 years ago. Although he did enjoy the
fact that she did call him Daddy.
My quarrel isn't with you. I just think you've been mis-led.
Ok I'm out of here.
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<You've also got to bear in mind I was the woman he said he loved but
still manged to conceal his other life from me for 8-10 years>
You make it sound as if you were IN a relationship with Joe for this
duration.
I know he did 'love you' but wasn't always 'in love with you' for most
of this time.
You and Joe always lived seperately and lead your own lives during
those 8-10 years. Never have I know you both to be in a loving-couple
type relationship since Charlottes birth.
I think people reading this might think you were. That would cast Joe
in a very bad light if it were true. But you and I both know that isn't
the case.
<<So do you really think he's told you everything, especially the new
facts that I've only just found out about? >>
Yep I do. Although it depends who your source was. If it was Pearl or
Sarah - then I might have to renaig my claim ( as they seem to have a
slightly different version of things going on in their heads.) * I can
feel the barrage of pissy retorts being thought up as I type this!*
But whilst I'm on the subject of Sarah... Why do you listen to her
opinions anyway? I know I could never trust a woman who jumped on 'my'
man and asked him if he liked blow jobs. (before proceeding to give him
'quite possibly the worst blowing he has ever had') God only knows why
she rips into Joe on here they ways she does.. or in private email to
Lisa??
Perhaps the rejection was too much for her?? Oh but I forget, she is a
GP.... she must be able to come up with some healthier form of
self-help than this destructive and totally unprofessional method of
Usenet blasting.
<<My quarrel isn't with you. I just think you've been mis-led>>
I'm glad your quarrel isn't with me - I've seen a scary side to you on
here Heather. I know over the years I'd heard stories of arguements
between you and Joe, and some of the f**ked up things you said and did
- but I always remained neutral and laughed it off.
Despite what you might think - I always did like you. And had the
occasional guilt pang when we spoke or met up as I knew that I knew
things that you didn't. It was awkward as I didn't want to see you
hurt.
Even though you weren't 'in' a relationship with Joe at the time, I
still know you had feelings for each other. I guess thats a bond that
comes when you have a child together. But no matter what has gone on in
the past, I really wish you both could put it all behind you and move
on. For Charlottes sake if nothing else.
Denise
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<<what you've had to say doesnt jive with what Joe has told me...and
not 'slightly'>>
Is it not the case that no matter what Joe says - your brain absorbs
bits and re-hashes it , then stores it as 'Pearls version of what Joe
says'?
Denise
Sarah Vaughan
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
[...]
> But whilst I'm on the subject of Sarah... Why do you listen to her
> opinions anyway? I know I could never trust a woman who jumped on 'my'
> man and asked him if he liked blow jobs.
You know, first of all, I'm puzzled that you seem to be being rather
inconsistent here. You've just been saying that Joe _wasn't_ "Heather's
man" during this time. Since that was certainly the story I had, as
well, I don't see why you should see anything wrong in me having sex
with him. According to what he told me, he was single. If that wasn't
true, then I'd say it's *Joe's* trustworthiness that that reflects on.
And secondly, I'm curious about your use of the phrase "jumped on". I
found out recently that, according to the version of events Joe gave
PearL, I was the one making all the moves - she'd had quite a detailed
account from him that had very little truth to it. It's sounding to me
as though you got the same account (which doesn't surprise me - I
figured that if he was telling PearL this, he was telling other people
this).
So, is that what he told you? If you're interested in hearing the other
side of the story, I can tell you how it actually happened. Even if
you're not, I'd still like to hear exactly what he's been telling you.
I _really_ don't like the thought of someone lying about me behind my back.
> (before proceeding to give him
> 'quite possibly the worst blowing he has ever had')
<snort> I always wondered what he said about my performance to other
people, having heard the way he talks about other women he's been with.
(I remember him asking him once on MIRC, when the subject came up,
whether this was the way he talked about me to other people. He was so
angry he left MIRC in a snit. ;-) )
Denise, does it not strike you that there's something just a little bit
nasty about criticising a previous partner's sexual skills to an
uninvolved third party? Or, for that matter, in posting that criticism
publically?
> God only knows why
> she rips into Joe on here they ways she does.. or in private email to
> Lisa??
Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is a highly
unpleasant way to act.
> Perhaps the rejection was too much for her??
Again, this sounds to me as though you've been getting the same story as
PearL did. Joe told her I'd gone all Glenn Close and immediately
started discussing which of us would move countries in order to continue
the big serious relationship I'd supposedly decided we were now in - was
that the version he gave you as well?
In case it is, and for the record: No. Quite the contrary. I specified
to Joe before we ever had sex that I did *not* think it was a good idea
for us to have a relationship. And, no, I did not change my mind or
tell him anything different afterwards.
And I would still like to know exactly what he's been saying on the
subject. You can believe what you like, obviously - but I'd like to
know what's been said behind my back, and to have the chance to put my
side publically.
All the best,
Sarah
--
http://www.goodenoughmummy.typepad.com
"That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be" - P. C. Hodgell
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<He has been lying to me for the past 3 1/2 years, and about me for the
past 3 weeks and I have no doubt that he will continue to lie because
it's obviously his inherent nature. But since I have no intention of
letting you read my IMs or post those IMs here, I've no doubt you think
I'm lying. ::shrugs >
Why on earth would you feel the need to keep IM conversations? Emails I
can maybe understand... but to save IM's? Even when 'in my good old AOL
days' I'd spend hours IM-ing with my 'beloved' - I never saved the IM's
!
You are acting more like the 'girlfriend scorned' when that title is
solely Heathers. I can understand HER having a gripe with Joe (not that
I think Usenet was the best place for THAT.. but hey - old news now)
Whatever it is you THINK you and Joe had ... is a one sided feeling.
Denise
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
It is getting late for me to reply tonight. I have a very early start
in the morning, so I shall reply after work tomorrow.
Denise
A woman who has made sure her bunny is locked up safe for the night.
Sarah Vaughan
> Sarah,
>
> It is getting late for me to reply tonight. I have a very early start
> in the morning, so I shall reply after work tomorrow.
Thanks - I appreciate it.
> Denise
> A woman who has made sure her bunny is locked up safe for the night.
<snort>
Heather
be too long and secondly I've calmed down enough to see that posting
all of my life on line isn't the best way to go.
As long as there's a semi public warning out there about Joe then my
work is done. He's not going to change.
I've told people that for the most part we weren't a couple. I do know
that but we did do most of the things that couples do.
We had a lover/friends relationship and part of that, for me at least,
was to have sexual fidelity.i.e.not sleep with anyone else.
That wasn't a lot to ask?
We were a couple, we split but had the above type of relationship for
8-10 years when he told me NOTHING.Why?
My gripe is for the period 2003-2004 when we were a couple and a tiny
bit in 2002. In that time period I more than deserved sexual
fidelity.Ok you can retort that my actions weren't that great but that
was in response to his actions but we've talked about that before.
My initial post at the castle was a knee jerk reaction to meeting his
"new girlfriend". You know where and when.You also know it was my
daughter's first meeting with her. Also still being told l still love
and want you doesn't help either and of course who his "new girlfriend"
was.
My hurt, anger and now scariness is for yes initially him again not
telling me and now for finding out more.Considering our long history
and the fact we have a daughter I expected to be told.So much for the
honesty pact and I ruined my boots on that beach.
( Scariness- I've just opened my eyes to how much he's used me, that's
all).
One relationship for the want of a better word was in the time frame
2003-2004. Another was ongoing.
My "sources" are accurate thankyou and with the help of my lovely
"sources" I am moving on. It doesn't happen overnight.
What do you mean by " f***ed up things" and "separate lives" Separate
houses yes.-that's also another story.
But I'll talk more via e mail. I don't want to fall out with you.
One last thing, you've also got to bear in mind where I found things
out initially.He posted his private life on usenet for all to see
including me. So what is his problem with the rest of it being here?
Joe don't start something and complain about it later.
Ok I'll question you about some of the above in an email and another
few matters which I don't think you'd like me to discuss in here.
Heather
Heather
PearL
Sarah Vaughan wrote:
> > Perhaps the rejection was too much for her??
>
> Again, this sounds to me as though you've been getting the same story as
> PearL did. Joe told her I'd gone all Glenn Close
lmao @ the phrase 'glenn close' ! Well, he's saying that about *me*
now, so at least he's consistent about *some* of his lies! ahahahaha ;
)
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<<But when it comes to *me* and Joe, you really have *no* idea what
you're talking about, cause you werent there and you dont know what's
been said between us.>>
You presume so much ... It might come as a surprise then that sometimes
when you were typing away to Joe, I WAS over at his house copying video
tapes, reading comics etc etc as friends do. I KNOW he chatted with you
( although I do think over 1000 IM conversations is a slight
exaggeration but...)
I have read emails you sent - and I still am of the opinion YOU were
the one who constantly told Joe how much you loved him. I think I would
know if Joe had fallen in love with you!! Trust me - never once did
that phrase cross his lips!
You constantly nagged him how he never shared anything emotionally with
you. (Perhaps a wise move on his part - judging by the disjointed
rantings you post on here)
I don't doubt that he did care for you as a friend - but thats where
the line was drawn.. FRIENDSHIP.
Denise
Still puzzled at the IM keeping thing....
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
Slight delay with reply, my appologies. We had friends round last night
- and my PC had to take a back seat....
You wrote...
<<You know, first of all, I'm puzzled that you seem to be being rather
inconsistent here. You've just been saying that Joe _wasn't_
"Heather's man" during this time. Since that was certainly the story I
had, as well, I don't see why you should see anything wrong in me
having sex with him. >>
You are replying to a post that was for Heather. But if we must disect
it then, so be it.
Heather felt Joe WAS her man for a lot of the time in question. What I
asked HER was why would she trust the opinion of some woman that blew
HER man ( ie the man she cared about and loved)).
<<So, is that what he told you? If you're interested in hearing the
other side of the story, I can tell you how it actually happened. Even
if you're not, I'd still like to hear exactly what he's been telling
you. I _really_ don't like the thought of someone lying about me behind
my back. >>
Feel free - the are no restrictions here on Usenet. Plus you have my
email address.
<<Denise, does it not strike you that there's something just a little
bit nasty about criticising a previous partner's sexual skills to an
uninvolved third party? Or, for that matter, in posting that criticism
publically? >>
Quite possibly, but you're a grown-up - you know people do that as a
knee-jerk reaction to vicious attacks.
It's also way up there on the nasty-scale along with emailing the
girlfriend of said person who was subjected to your oral sex - and
suggesting to her that she leave him!!! That was uber-low.
That would be like Joe emailing your husband to suggest he leaves you -
because he knows from experience you're crap in the sack. Yep, sounds
harsh - but it is the same thing really in this tit-for-tat world.
<<Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is a
highly unpleasant way to act.>>
You seemed willing enough at the time.
Denise
Heather
are probably afew people out there who feel the same way.
Here's a thought Denise
What about getting a good friend to stop you leaving them by arranging
for them to spend the day together so that the good friend can bad
mouth the new person in someone's life?
Hey maybe the "new" girlfriend is a sane and straight person so
doesn't it make sense for her to be with a sane and straight person.
Knowing Joe as you know him have all his actions been sane and
straight? I can give plenty of examples of him not being any of the
above.
<<Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is a
highly unpleasant way to act.>>
You seemed willing enough at the time.
That's nasty Denise. Everyone of us has been used by him and he did
that but not telling anyone of us about the others. To start with he
deceived us now he's telling lies.
I've been willing but I didn't think there was a bloody queue at the
time!!!!! Ah that was what the ticket box was there for.Doh!
He hasn't the balls to stand up and say I'm done wrong. To be honest I
don't think he even think's he's done wrong and that's worrying.
Denise I thought Joe was my lover/friend sometimes partner who cared
enough about me not to treat me like this. I actually thought we were
friends over the past couple of years.There are certain qualities that
are required in friends and he hasn't got a single one.Honesty for one.
Maybe I thought in away he was mine but Denise you damn well know how
he was if I dared met someone else myself. There's one obvious example.
You were there!!! He thought the same about me.
Oh Joe also criticised a previous partner to me also. That was after a
found out about the original 3.-L,L and K.
And can I add.I've kept emails, notes, copies of txt messages. I
haven't got, no I think I do have copied of IMs as well but not a
lot.We only IM'd one night.I don't think it's odd. Keeping old pictures
of girlfriends and videos now that's odd. Even odder is sending any of
the above to other people. Odder still is still watching said videos
and looking at old pictures when you've got a new partner.
PearL
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>> Quite possibly, but you're a grown-up - you know people do that as a
> knee-jerk reaction to vicious attacks.
You might wanna pass along this tidbit of wisdom to Joe.
> <<Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is a
> highly unpleasant way to act.>>
>
> You seemed willing enough at the time.
I believe she was referring to me, not herself (altho I'm sure she'll
correct me if I'm wrong). ::winks to sarah::
Sarah Vaughan
> Sarah,
>
> Slight delay with reply, my appologies. We had friends round last night
> - and my PC had to take a back seat....
No probs. ;-)
> You wrote...
> <<You know, first of all, I'm puzzled that you seem to be being rather
> inconsistent here. You've just been saying that Joe _wasn't_
> "Heather's man" during this time. Since that was certainly the story I
> had, as well, I don't see why you should see anything wrong in me
> having sex with him. >>
>
> You are replying to a post that was for Heather. But if we must disect
> it then, so be it.
> Heather felt Joe WAS her man for a lot of the time in question. What I
> asked HER was why would she trust the opinion of some woman that blew
> HER man ( ie the man she cared about and loved)).
I know that's what you asked. I just don't understand your reasoning.
Why would it affect Heather's trust in me when she knows that, as far as
I was concerned, Joe was single? What is it you think I've done that
supposedly makes me untrustworthy? If the man I cared about and loved
told a woman that he was single and I was just his psycho ex, and she
slept with him on that basis, then it certainly wouldn't be *her* that
I'd consider untrustworthy. This sounds as though you're expecting
Heather to consider me untrustworthy just because I'm not telepathic.
I'm honestly curious to know how your mind is working on this one. Do
you genuinely believe this (and, if so, on what logic), or is it just
something you're saying in hopes of discrediting me?
> <<So, is that what he told you? If you're interested in hearing the
> other side of the story, I can tell you how it actually happened. Even
> if you're not, I'd still like to hear exactly what he's been telling
> you. I _really_ don't like the thought of someone lying about me behind
> my back. >>
>
> Feel free - the are no restrictions here on Usenet. Plus you have my
> email address.
Cheers! I'll post it here. I think I'll get this posted and then write
a separate post, as I don't know when the baby's going to wake up from
his nap.
I'd still like to hear more details on what it is he's been saying to
you about me, but I can understand that you might have had second
thoughts about going into details publically about what he's actually
been saying behind my back.
> <<Denise, does it not strike you that there's something just a little
> bit nasty about criticising a previous partner's sexual skills to an
> uninvolved third party? Or, for that matter, in posting that criticism
> publically? >>
>
> Quite possibly, but you're a grown-up - you know people do that as a
> knee-jerk reaction to vicious attacks.
Yes. And I also know that it's a pretty crass and unpleasant thing to
do. It says far more about the people doing it than about anyone else.
> It's also way up there on the nasty-scale along with emailing the
> girlfriend of said person who was subjected to your oral sex - and
> suggesting to her that she leave him!!! That was uber-low.
I didn't suggest to Lisa that she leave him. That's something she has
to decide for herself. I advised her not to let Joe take any photos of
her that she wouldn't be happy with other people seeing, because it
appeared that Joe was being somewhat cavalier about keeping such photos
away from the eyes of third parties.
> That would be like Joe emailing your husband to suggest he leaves you -
> because he knows from experience you're crap in the sack. Yep, sounds
> harsh - but it is the same thing really in this tit-for-tat world.
You don't get it, do you? It wasn't tit-for-tat. It was giving her
information that I thought she needed and might or might not have any
other way of knowing.
My husband is quite capable of deciding for himself what he thinks my
sexual skills are like (and his stated opinion on that subject differs
very considerably from the one Joe's now claiming to hold, BTW). But I
didn't know whether Lisa would know that Joe had e-mailed someone a
picture of a previous sex partner of his in a compromising position. I
didn't know whether she knew how vicious he can be when he decides to
turn on people. I didn't know whether she knew that he lies. And those
are all things that she _ought_ to know. I didn't tell Lisa to leave
him, or even suggest to her that she do. But I did think she should
have information that he might be keeping from her and that would have a
bearing on her own decision over whether or not to leave him.
>
> <<Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is a
> highly unpleasant way to act.>>
> You seemed willing enough at the time.
I have never been willing to be lied to or lied about. As for the sex,
it wasn't that that I objected to. What I object to is that Joe
pretended to be my friend when he was actually just using me, and now,
it seems, did the same thing to PearL as well.
PearL
Heather wrote:
> Hey maybe the "new" girlfriend
Pft. We ALL know the 'new' girlfriend isnt 'new'. It's just too bad
for her that she has such low self esteem that she's willing to settle
for a lying cheater who badmouths her when she isnt around.
> That's nasty Denise. Everyone of us has been used by him and he did
> that but not telling anyone of us about the others.
She knows Heather. You know what... dont even bother trying to
'explain' to her anymore. She doesnt care about the truth. Maybe it's
because joe said she's exactly like him... so right there that tells us
all we need to know.
> I've been willing but I didn't think there was a bloody queue at the
> time!!!!! Ah that was what the ticket box was there for.Doh!
LMFAO!!!!!
> He hasn't the balls to stand up and say I'm done wrong. To be honest I
> don't think he even think's he's done wrong and that's worrying.
Oh he knows all right. Otherwise, why try and cover up? Why lie to
every person he meets saying that you are some psycho bitter ex who
cant let go, when the reality is that he was having an ongoing
relationship with you for the past 10+ years? Why lie to you and say
that me and him never had cyber/phone sex? Why lie to me and tell me
that he and Lisa were only friends? Why deny that he got you pregnant
in 2003? Why not tell you about Karen, Lorraine, and Lisa? And why not
tell us about Tracy? Cause he KNOWS he's wrong. But he'll DIE before
he admits it cause you are dead on.. he has NO BALLS.
> Oh Joe also criticised a previous partner to me also. That was after a
> found out about the original 3.-L,L and K.
Was it Karen? Cause he totally bashed her on the castle and in emails
to me.
PearL
2 words for you... YOU ROCK!!! ; )
Sarah Vaughan
> raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>> <<Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is a
>> highly unpleasant way to act.>>
>>
>> You seemed willing enough at the time.
>
>
> I believe she was referring to me, not herself (altho I'm sure she'll
> correct me if I'm wrong). ::winks to sarah::
I was referring to both of us.
PearL
Sarah Vaughan wrote:
> PearL wrote:
> > raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
> >> <<Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is a
> >> highly unpleasant way to act.>>
> >>
> >> You seemed willing enough at the time.
> >
> >
> > I believe she was referring to me, not herself (altho I'm sure she'll
> > correct me if I'm wrong). ::winks to sarah::
>
> I was referring to both of us.
But of course! And let's not forget Heather. :\
GummiBea...@aol.com
Anyone who claims they've never saved one im even for a day or few
hours is a LIAR anyways or they're nitpicking. Everyone has in their
lifetime of internet usage shared and saved an im. ANyone who says
otherwise is a liar, pathetically dull or they just haven't done it;
yet. I should add if denise bothers to reply that yes I am friends with
pearl although in my own way I'm neutral as well although from what ims
I saw between him and pearl I never thought anything about him. I know
he told her he loved her and I remember when she wanted to end it at
first and he went oddball on her, desperate really. I also thinking
picking on someone (a form of being a cowardly bully btw) for saving
emails and ims is sad. Now that being said anyone obviously may feel
free to email im or reply to me but if you nitpick at me or start with
me I am no where near as nice as Pearl and I rarely play nice either as
its a waste of my time. I tend to be selective and often at times,
bitchy especially if someone's going after a good friend of mine and
I've known Pearl a long time. If you chose to fight with her that's
fine but if you can't be civil and debate with me you'll get it right
back because while I may hate games I always win no matter what. I mean
it I'm being my nicest by simply warning you, do not imply crap about
me or to me and do not expect me to sit there and debate nicely if you
use an undercurrent of subtle insults at me because believe me, I'll
pick up on it. And just to be myself let me state that I'm really proud
of Pearl for finally listening to me about how weird Joe was and for
attempting a platonic relationship with him. And do not (denise I
think) tell me I don't know the story because while I may not know
Joe's whole story I know bits of it more than you think I do, I have no
desire to. Bad husbands, especially ones who have kids really rub me
wrong and women who defend scum when many other women are pointing out
facts and proof that he's scum offend me.
GummiBea...@aol.com
PearL wrote:
> GummiBea...@aol.com wrote:
> > I should add if denise bothers to reply that yes I am friends with
> > pearl
>
>
-hugs you back- I got bored so I e-stalked you here- talk about drama.
> >from what ims I saw between him and pearl I never thought anything about him.
>
>
> lol Yes you did. You told me to dump him. ahahaha ; )
Told you I am always right and if I'm not I'll find a way to be more
correct than everyone else. It's the eldest sibling in me coming out I
think. My mother says its just because I'm bossy and hate being wrong.
However she's wrong.
> >I am no where near as nice as Pearl and I rarely play nice either as
> > its a waste of my time.
>
> Shuddddddddupppppp! You are too nice! (sometimes!) ; ) ; ) ; )
Haha you mean I'm nice to you sometimes don't cha ;-) Kidding actually
you know me when I post anywhere for the first time I usually come off
like a real bitch then after I normally return to my ditzy fun silly
self. But I do like people to be warned that just because I'm usually
silly and nice doesn't mean I don't get otherwise.
> >I mean it I'm being my nicest by simply warning you
>
>
> ahahaha Spoken like a true Pittsburg girl ! ; )
And what else would I be? -looks proud- you know me a born and raised
city-girl. How bout my mom told me I have to go camping!! She bought a
tent and everything. I just know I'll die. lol
> >I'm really proud of Pearl for finally listening to me about how weird Joe was
>
>
> ahaha Yeah but you did say "I told ya so", when I told you about all
> the other women!
Because I adore being right. If you had geniuses for a family you'd
love it when you were right too. Oddly enough as smart as all my
siblings are, I'm always correct about people. I knew Joe was a loser
because my sister's dated enough cheating losers for me to recognize
the signs. It also helps that I'm something of a cynic I suppose.
> >And do not (denise I
> > think) tell me I don't know the story because while I may not know
> > Joe's whole story I know bits of it more than you think I do, I have no
> > desire to. Bad husbands, especially ones who have kids really rub me
> > wrong and women who defend scum when many other women are pointing out
> > facts and proof that he's scum offend me.
>
>
> Ahhh... that's my manda. Blunt as all get out. ahahahha ; )
> Girrrlllllll you didnt need to post here, but I'm glad you did! Stick
> around, pull up a chair, get comfy... um.. I know you dont drink
> alcohol, but Beastie would still be glad to get you the color umbrella
> of your choice for your coke! <3 PearLy
Oh I love those umbrellas!! Especially those pink and purple ones!! I
plan to stick around actually this board is sure fun even if I don't
drink although given my family's history and health its imo, still one
of the smartest decisions I've ever made except I'm finding it really
hard to want to keep it because its not as if I could ever truely
become an alcoholic. I don't drink enough liquids to begin with and you
know me I'm so OCD and conservative.
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
It gets so complex to reply to your posts because those 2 numpties keep
having to add their bits of shite afterwards.
I wrote <Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is
a
highly unpleasant way to act.> << You seemed willing enough at the
time. >>
You replied <That's nasty Denise. Everyone of us has been used by him
and he did that but not telling anyone of us about the others. To start
with he deceived us now he's telling lies>>
That wasn't aimed at YOU Heather. I know you both still had sex
occasionaly. Joe didn't use you for sex. You KNOW you meant more to him
than that. That was directed at Sarah. So where Pearl adds herself
into that equasion is baffling me. She has this whole fantasy going on
in her head that something went on - when it didn't.
Sarah should not have had any expectations. She travelled up to
shag/blow Joe -- whatever. If she is going to play adult games like
that, then she needs to wise up and face the consequences of looking
like a slapper. OK, I know there are 2 sides to it... but do you see
joe bleating on about what could have been?? Ermm?? NO.
Heather wrote...<<Maybe I thought in away he was mine but Denise you
damn well know how he was if I dared met someone else myself. There's
one obvious example. You were there!!! He thought the same about me. >>
I know exactly who we are speaking about here! And I do agree with you.
That made him flip out (sorry Joe!!) But I think that was a big turning
point between both of you. Before the whole PV situation, you and Joe
would seem like you were getting closer and then suddently it was all
off again. I lost track of the number of times Joe told me you and him
were arguing. He'd be sad - then you would patch things up etc etc
.....Then it would be ok again, and when you seemed to be getting close
again - you'd pull back.
I always thought the 2 of you would get back together at some point -
becuase in an ideal world I think you both wanted it deep down. But I
see you both as very similar characters - volatile, insecure and
passionate. Perhaps thats why it didn't work? I don't know. You are too
similar.??
I don't know what you have been told regarding Lisa. But they only
became a 'couple' in March. They were good friends for years. I always
had my suspicions and would ask him if he'd shagged her yet. But, he
always said she was just a friend. She is a really nice girl now I've
met her. Totally different in many ways to Joe. Perhaps that is why its
working for them? Opposites attract so they say.
One thing I will say, and I dont know what Joe has said to you about
this time..... back when you guys went to Kinshaldy beach to burn the
"Karen Box'... Joe was really happy you did that together, and I saw a
totally different side to him. I thought the two of you were evenaually
going to get it together properly....
THEN... the whole mobile phone incident happened. That put a real stop
on it all. There was no telling you at that time Lisa was only his
friend. Any trust there was seemed to be blown out the water totally at
that point.
You wrote....
And can I add.I've kept emails, notes, copies of txt messages. I
haven't got, no I think I do have copied of IMs as well but not a
lot.We only IM'd one night.I don't think it's odd. >>
I don't think its odd at all that you kept any of the suff between you
and Joe. You have a vaild history. Its that trumpet Pearl I'm saying
had no reason to keep shit like that. She hangs onto something thats
NOT THERE. Maybe Sarah the GP should get her signed up for some kind of
diversion therapy-- take her mind off the big void that she thought Joe
should fill. Friggin nut job. )
Why do you bother with them Heather? You are a sensible woman (most of
the time! :-p) They are dragging this out into one MF of a drama with
arms legs and god knows what other mutant stuff... This won't make it
better.
Don't let them fuel the fire.
We should speak soon,
Take care, Denise :-)
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
How can you dump someone across the other side of the world WHOM you
are not in a relationship with??
Is your friend as deluded as you?
How many times does it need said ... there was NO relationship! Ok,
perhaps you cybered... but thats just words. We've all done it! Yes its
fun - but ITS NOT REAL.
Denise
A woman who is beginning to think America is full of ' Glen Closes'
Oh by the way... Sarah were you born in America by any chance?!! :-p
lilit...@earthlink.net
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
>
> I have read emails you sent -
this astounded me. I'm trying to figure this out...
Joe allowed someone read his personal e-mails (other than the person
who wrote them)
That anyone would want to read someone else's personal e-mails.
What type of relationship is the result of cheating and lying from the
beginning?
If this person, (*who* is beyond the point) lets you read e-mails from
other women, wouldn't you expect him to do the same to your e-mails?
and if you're the type of person to read other people's mail, where do
you draw the line? At invitation only? Or do you only stop snooping
when a firm boundary is set- such as "don't look in that closet!"?
How does one ever trust a cheater? (M or F, btw- they are both)
Because they *say so- or "promise?" They have already made that promise
_at least once_. Or is it because one thinks they are *better* than the
orginal cheated, even when there is nothing *wrong* with the cheated?
Or if one thinks the problem is with the cheated, how does that justify
the act of _cheating_ in itself?
dang! my mind is rolling all over the possibilites.
But, I've learned never to say "never"- and I think Happy-Good News
type e-mails have been shared w/ me. But that also indicates that the
writer knew or expected the news to be passed around...
sorry- I digress.... it's just interesting/almost laughable to think
that someone would save my e-mails and perhaps share them w/ others in
the future. Oh wait- that comes back to the trust issue.....
<wry grins>
sitting way back here, in the farest bleachers, it sounds like this man
is a serial cheater. He won't get rid of one lady til he has another in
waiting. And to do *that* he plays the odds. The more ladies you chat
w/ and get comfortable with- the better your odds at having two ladies
all the time!
I think all that is fine at being single- but when you start cheating
w/ ladies hearts...well, IMHO, that's despicable. But then,
Denise-right?- at least you know what you're getting involved with,
right from the _start_. <shrugs> If you're willing to read others
letters and notes to him- would you expect or deserve and privacy or
discretion in return?
as always, just my 2¢, and YMMV~
LB
Sarah Vaughan
> Pearl,
[...]
> I don't doubt that he did care for you as a friend
I don't know whether or not you saw the e-mails that he sent PearL when
this first blew up, but he made it totally clear in those that he did
*not* care for her and that he regarded her with nothing but contempt.
By that, I don't mean that he'd stopped thinking of her as a friend
because he felt she'd done something out of line - that wasn't the tone
of the e-mail at all. I mean that he was insulting her in a way that
nobody with any decency would speak to anyone that they had *ever* cared
for as a friend.
So, if he was pretending to be PearL's friend, then that's just what he
was doing - pretending.
PearL
Sarah Vaughan wrote:
> raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> > Pearl,
> [...]
> > I don't doubt that he did care for you as a friend
>
> I don't know whether or not you saw the e-mails that he sent PearL when
> this first blew up, but he made it totally clear in those that he did
> *not* care for her and that he regarded her with nothing but contempt.
> By that, I don't mean that he'd stopped thinking of her as a friend
> because he felt she'd done something out of line - that wasn't the tone
> of the e-mail at all. I mean that he was insulting her in a way that
> nobody with any decency would speak to anyone that they had *ever* cared
> for as a friend.
>
> So, if he was pretending to be PearL's friend, then that's just what he
> was doing - pretending.
>
>
> Sarah
And as you found out, unfortunately, that's what he was doing to you as
well... pretending to be your friend.
PearL
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> Heather...
>
> It gets so complex to reply to your posts because those 2 numpties keep
> having to add their bits of shite afterwards.
This is a public newsgroup dear. If you dont want others (besides the
one you are directing your post at) to reply, then there's this little
link under 'options' that says 'reply to author', and it allows you to
email the person privately. Or you two could just email and not post
here at all. Just wanted to point that out to ya. : )
> I wrote <Because I think that telling lies and using people for sex is
> a
> highly unpleasant way to act.> << You seemed willing enough at the
> time. >>
>
> You replied <That's nasty Denise. Everyone of us has been used by him
> and he did that but not telling anyone of us about the others. To start
> with he deceived us now he's telling lies>>
>
> That wasn't aimed at YOU Heather. I know you both still had sex
> occasionaly. Joe didn't use you for sex. You KNOW you meant more to him
> than that.
My, how different your tone is to Heather here than the one you wrote
to her on the amy group when you were insulting her left and right.
Whats a matter? Did Joe tell you to ease up on her so you dont mess up
his 'sure thing' when he gets bored with Lisa? By the way, if Heather
means so much to Joe, he certainly didnt show it by his actions or by
how he talks about her to every person he meets, telling everyone who
will listen (including posting it on usenet) how she is a bitter psycho
who refuses to let him see his daughter if she even suspects he has a
female 'friend'. Oh yes, words of love, those are. Joe certainly has a
great reputation for speaking kindly about his exes, like Karen for
example. He wrote a lovely little post on the castle about her too...
how she wasnt good looking and was crap in the sac. But supposedly he
was sooooo crushed when she left him cause he lovedddddd her. Yeah
right. ::vomits::
>That was directed at Sarah. So where Pearl adds herself
> into that equasion is baffling me. She has this whole fantasy going on
> in her head that something went on - when it didn't.
Well you know dear, we arent all you like you and Joe when it comes to
sex and intimacy. Some of us stay faithful to people we make promises
to. I'm sure that's a difficult concept for you to understand, but it
does happen... believe it or not. And since Joe promised me, and then
hid his other sexual partners from me, apparently he thought that
'something' was going on between us as well... or else, why tell me he
loved me? Why deny that he and I ever had 'cyber/phone sex', if it was
'only words' as you say? Why deny that he and Heather were still
'trying it on' with each other while he was 'doing things' with me, if
there was 'nothing' going on between me and him? These questions are
just hypothetical btw, since I realize you dont have the guts to answer
them appropriately. You'll just ignore all these facts like you did
with all the other ones I wrote in my last post, and resort to
insulting me because you know I'm right and you cant refute what I'm
saying. *sigh* Apparently you share Joe's love of convoluted logic, as
well as his love of cameras. lol
> I don't know what you have been told regarding Lisa. But they only
> became a 'couple' in March.
And yet, he denied she was his girlfriend when i asked him in April.
Interesting.
> Its that trumpet Pearl I'm saying
> had no reason to keep shit like that.
But Joe had a reason to save our IMs? Oh but right.. you also ignored
that part of my post where I mentioned that he saved our IMs as well.
Ps - "trumpet"?? Sarah, can you help me out here since my "UK -
American" translations are rusty, seeing as I'm not talking to Joe for
hours every week anymore? Thanks! ; )
>She hangs onto something thats
> NOT THERE.
Of course it's not there. If I had thought there was actually something
between us, then I wouldnt have stopped having phone sex with him last
year. But I finally figured out he was using me to get himself off and
lying to me to get me into bed (in real life), so I started distancing
myself from him. So yeah, thanks for that revelation Sherlock, but I
figured it out already about 7 months ago. Tell me something else I
dont know.
>Maybe Sarah the GP should get her signed up for some kind of
> diversion therapy-- take her mind off the big void that she thought Joe
> should fill. Friggin nut job.
ahahaha *sigh* What a card you are Den. Seeing as *I* was the one
to stop the sex, I wouldnt say I'm 'hanging' on to Joe or needing him
to fill any void. I'm angry at being lied to and used, I'm saddened by
the loss of someone I considered a good friend, and I'm disgusted by
the slimebucket I've discovered he is. Other than that, I'm good. But
I will take your suggestion regarding diversion therapy under
advisement. Thanks for caring hun! :D
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
cheating w/ ladies hearts...well, IMHO, that's despicable. But then,
Denise-right?- at least you know what you're getting involved with,
right from the _start_. >>
Noooooo!! I am the man in questions best friend!
Nothing will ever progress there deeper than friendship! Eh Joe!! I
know TOO MANY SECRETS!
Best Wishes, Denise :-)
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<< real life >>
A term I didn't think she understood. (But if your relationship wasn't
in 'real life' why the f**k are you so screwed up over it?)
Pearl also wrote...
<<*JOE* was the one who continually begged me to come to America so he
could meet me, and *I* continually told him NO>>
ROFLMAO !!!
Denise
Heather
I've had a different version of events from Lisa.
They weren't just friends. I had a telephone conversation with her a
few weeks ago now. Well actually I talked she listened.they'd been
seeing each other on and off for a number of years.They split up -ie to
do this they must have been a couple when she found out about Karen
which is now how long ago 2002 but they were on and off all the time
since.
Ask her.
March he says(this time round).That gave him enough bloody time to tell
me then didn't it because I'm being painted as the bitch from hell by
blowing up after his dad died.
Fuck in Feb he was about to go out with another woman from work what
made him change his mind.
What the hell do you think It felt like turning up at his dad's funeral
to see her of all people with my daughter? And all of this as well. I
could have left the country,been happy but no poor Joe Lamb couldn't
let me go.
We made a promise on that beach to be honest and that included telling
the other when we'd met someone else and that I have done. I've told
him everything.
When we were actually a couple(2003) he was seeing Lisa,having
cybersex and god knows what else. I WAS FUCKING PREGNANT at this time
and I blame my miscarriage on stress, which the week after he wasn't
even wanting to bloody talk about.
I tried telling him how upset I was about all the others. I was told
that was something I had to deal with myself and well we weren't a
couple anyway. What the hell has that to do with anything at the end of
the day? No bloody wonder I turned to someone else.
Jesus who in there right mind sends pictures of themselves
wanking.Really who does? And yes I've seen his dick enough times to
recognise it as his.
And as for sex occasionally it was on a regular basis.(Longest break
was 8months-obviously much longer now) The point is he was sleeping
with me and everyone else and didn't bother to tell me for 10 fucking
years. How the hell is that caring for someone?
He made I remark after I said i'd contacted someone which was "well I
hope you didn't suggest we'd been doing any thing". Note the 8month
bit. He'd been seeing that person for over 5 fucking years.
Did you read the txt messages between him and Lisa? I bit too much just
to be friends and he had the cheek to blow up at me.
He's always been a fucking machine. He cheated on Tracy(his wife)He
cheated on Angie and to this day he says he didn't cheat on me when we
were together. Yeah right. You stay out to 4.30 with one ex girlfriend
and you go up to anothers all the time. Itwas lovely how he used to
ignore my feelings at the time.Just a bit like now.
And when we were just friends/lovers he turned it around to be MY fault
that he'd been with others. For fuck's sake Denise.
You know what this does make better because it stops me from going any
where near him ever again. With the knowledge I have now I see the
pattern.He splits with one and comes back to me.
Even the last time we were in the same room he tried it on.
I told him a couple of years ago I still loved him but I couldn't trust
him.I thought we were friends but this is not how I would treat my
worst enemy.
He thinks by me now demanding maintence money I'm trying to punish
him.(You and Lisa have both read that I trust) What bloody planet is he
on? Absent parents pay for their children.
He can't even admit that they're living together.Her car is there all
the time and I know this for a fact and no i'm not bloody stalking her.
If this stops me lying on my floor sobbing then this is what I'll do.
I'm angry and hurt over his actions not him.
I've finally opened my eyes which Denise I suggest you do for Lisa. You
know he'll not change.So one day you're going to feel guilty speaking
to her.
Em Denise you've met her before and you've changed your tune a bit
about her.
One last thing the bit about me pulling back when you thought we were
getting close.Have you never wondered why? There have been major events
in my life and all of them have required support.That for the most part
I didn't get from him.
Ok back to that email and I don't normally swear (well not this much)
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<<My, how different your tone is to Heather here than the one you wrote
to her on the amy group when you were insulting her left and right.
Whats a matter? >>
I too have calmed down and given it great thought. I was upset that
Heather tore into Joe after he cremated his father. Poor timing. But
she was obviously annoyed at meeting Lisa for the first time at the
funeral - I understand that. I'm not totally heartless despite what you
might think.
I've known Heather for years and have always liked her. I know she is
hurting, and lashing out when hurt is what women do best.
You also wrote...
<Did Joe tell you to ease up on her so you dont mess up his 'sure
thing' when he gets bored with Lisa? >
Nope. Joe doesn't pull my strings. I'm quite capable of making my own
decisions and have my own opinions.
I would't class Heather as a 'sure thing' either. She is Charlottes mum
- and I think that is what Joe would see her as before classing her as
'a sure thing'.
As for Joe getting bored with Lisa... well just watch this space - boy,
you don't know how wrong you are!
and...
<<These questions are just hypothetical btw, since I realize you dont
have the guts to answer them appropriately. You'll just ignore all
these facts like you did with all the other ones I wrote in my last
post,>>
The reason I CHOSE not to reply to the same old things you post, is
because you are irrelevant. The issue as far as I'm concerned isn't
about you and your fantasy involvement with Joe.
<<Tell me something else I dont know. >>
Ok, you asked for this! One night when you and Joe were 'having phone
sex' I was there snipping away at some old Kerrang magazines with a cup
of tea... suppressing the most hillarious laughter at Joes superb
acting abilities. If I'd been on the other end of the phone, I too
might have believed he was 'cumming'! The dropping of the phone was
sheer class!!
I did jibe him afterwards as I thought it was a bit cruel, however he
told me he actually thought you were quite a nice person. He explained
about your aggoraphobia and the fact that you are still a virgin - and
kind of felt sorry for you.
Maybe this was wrong of him to do this, but when a woman starts telling
a man she has never met etc etc that she LOVES him and wants him to
TAKE her virginity - there are 2 choices.
1) he breaks off all contact thinking you are a complete loon or
2) he humours you
You said....
<<Seeing as *I* was the one to stop the sex>>
Again, sitting frigging at your PC or over the phone is not REAL SEX.
It was you who phoned him wanting to get off, your phonebills, you
saving the IM's for furure lonely nights in the house, all one sided.
Can't you see that or am I not spelling it out clear enough?
<<Thanks for caring hun! >>
Anytime sweetie :-) x
PearL
Your words here show otherwise.
You know, I was nothing but nice to you until you decided to start
tearing me down. I told you that I did not want to get into a slagging
match with you... but I ended up in one anyway. *sigh* I'm sorry
Sarah. I *tried* SO hard. Oh well, I guess old habits die hard. I need
more practice at 'debating without losing my temper'. :\
Anyway... Denise....
I only offered to tell you my side of the story (in email) in case you
were curious to hear the other side, but I knew it wasnt going to
change your mind. I even stated to you that I understood why you
probably wouldnt believe me. Obviously, Joe is your best friend and I'm
a complete stranger, so why would you believe me? You have no reason
to. So, even as nasty as you've been to me, I guess I can kind of
understand it in a way. I suppose if some random person on the internet
posted things about my best friend (and yes I do have one by the way --
20 yrs since high school), I wouldnt believe them either.
I only went ahead and posted details about what happened between Joe
and I because he has threatened me at least 4x that he was going to
spill 'dirt' on me... or he said you would do it. And today he sent me
an email that said ... 'get ready'. And frankly, while I loathed
putting my private life on display to be dissected, I'd rather it was
done by me than by others.
And despite what you think or what you've been told about me, I am not
a bad person. Nor am I crazy or agoraphobic or all the other things Joe
has said about me. I *am* ill, and my illness does keep me from getting
out a lot, but I am not 'housebound' or afraid to go out. In fact, as
I've told Joe (but he refuses to believe me), I already have a new
boyfriend. So you see, I am not 'hanging onto Joe' in a 'glen close'
kind of way, nor was I ever. I *never* thought he was my
boyfriend...ever. He knows this, because we've talked about it many
times.
I am upset because I *thought* he was my *friend*, PERIOD. And I
believed him and trusted him and cared about him, and I thought he
cared about me too because of what *he* said to me, not because of some
fantasy I made up in my head. He made promises to me and he broke
them, and he lied to me. And when I confronted him about lying, he lied
some more.
I was a good friend to Joe, and I did not deserve the way he treated me
at the end of our friendship, and I dont deserve what he's been saying
about and to me for the past 4 weeks. And you know, from the very
beginning of all this crazy mess, the only thing I asked Joe for, the
ONLY thing I have ever wanted from him since this whole mess began, was
for him to tell me he was sorry for hurting me. That's ALL. I didnt
think that was too much to ask for from someone who called himself my
friend for 3 years. ~Kris
Mandy
PearL wrote:
> raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> > Nothing will ever progress there deeper than friendship! Eh Joe!! I
> > know TOO MANY SECRETS!
>
>
Not exactly any female that up a man's ass is sleeping with him. No one
defends a platonic male-female friendship this extensively unless
there's not a lot of actually platonic going around.
Mandy
I'm hardly a deluded enough person to believe that sex isn't a big
deal. Let me explain. Maybe to a skank like you that thinks cheating if
only okay if you're Joe is exceptable but don't be it "real" phone,
oral, vaginal, anal, cyber and whatnot. Let me explain further. I'm 21
years old and a total parents dream girl honey. I don't drink, smoke or
have sex nor have I ever tried any of the above. I also watch my
cussing around small children and those I consider my elders. So as a
pure as snow virgin I find any and all sex to be a big deal and if that
makes me deluded than so be it. I'd rather be deluded than have your
jacked up logic. If my friend screwed around on multiple women you bet
I wouldn't be on his jackass of a side.
Mandy
PearL wrote:
> >raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> > I'm not totally heartless despite what you
> > might think.
>
>
> Your words here show otherwise.
>
> You know, I was nothing but nice to you until you decided to start
> tearing me down. I told you that I did not want to get into a slagging
> match with you... but I ended up in one anyway. *sigh* I'm sorry
> Sarah. I *tried* SO hard. Oh well, I guess old habits die hard. I need
> more practice at 'debating without losing my temper'. :\
>
> Anyway... Denise....
>
> I only offered to tell you my side of the story (in email) in case you
> were curious to hear the other side, but I knew it wasnt going to
> change your mind. I even stated to you that I understood why you
> probably wouldnt believe me. Obviously, Joe is your best friend and I'm
> a complete stranger, so why would you believe me? You have no reason
Some best friend. Makes me glad all my friends are mostly female. I
could never have a best friend like that. I'd be too ashamed I had
lousy taste. Although I suppose he's probably a much better friend than
a boyfriend or boy-toy.
PearL
up with better stories to try and insult me....at least ones where he
doesnt contradict himself all over the place. lol ------>
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> > Ok, you asked for this! One night when you and Joe were 'having phone
> sex' I was there snipping away at some old Kerrang magazines with a cup
> of tea... suppressing the most hillarious laughter at Joes superb
> acting abilities. If I'd been on the other end of the phone, I too
> might have believed he was 'cumming'! The dropping of the phone was
> sheer class!!
> I did jibe him afterwards as I thought it was a bit cruel, however he
> told me he actually thought you were quite a nice person. He explained
> about your aggoraphobia and the fact that you are still a virgin - and
> kind of felt sorry for you.
> Maybe this was wrong of him to do this, but when a woman starts telling
> a man she has never met etc etc that she LOVES him and wants him to
> TAKE her virginity - there are 2 choices.
> 1) he breaks off all contact thinking you are a complete loon or
> 2) he humours you
Soooo..... Those were the ONLY two choices he had huh? Interesting.
And we all know he didnt break off contact with me, since you admit
above that you were present when we had phone sex, so I guess that
means he was only humoring me? But wait... he has told anyone who
will listen that I'm a bitter psycho stalker. I suppose that could =
loon. But then... wait... you say he said he thought I was a nice
person?? So I'm not a loon?? Or...He thought I was a loon, but felt
sorry for me, so the only thing he could do was have phone sex with
me??? Wait....He thought I was a loon and he didnt like me and never
wanted to have sex with me, but he had phone sex with me anyway to
'humor' me because he really thought i was nice? OK, I think i've got
it... He never had phone sex with me (which is what he told heather in
an email), but now, you were there when he and I had phone sex? But he
said we never did. So which is it Joe? Did you have phone sex with me
or did you not? Oops... ok wait... He told me in an IM, which I could
post, that he never told anyone that he and I had phone sex, but now
...not only did he let you read my emails and my IMs, he allowed you to
be present in the room when he and I had phone sex?? Er...... Ok?? I
give up.
And you're playing along with all this, eh Denise? My dad has a lovely
colorful phrase to describe people like you and Joe. He'd say the two
of you are 'swift as shit'. I think you can guess as to it's meaning.
Now, I believe I'm done wasting my time talking to you. Buh bye! :D
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<<sex isn't a big deal.>>
Nor am I . I am a strong believer that sex is a big deal - and should
not be undertaken lightly - and should only be between 2 people in a
relationship & in love.
Mandy also wrote...
<<I'm 21 years old and a total parents dream girl honey. I don't drink,
smoke or have sex nor have I ever tried any of the above>>
Hmm.. yet another trumpet.
<<<If my friend screwed around on multiple women you bet I wouldn't be
on his jackass of a side. >>
Did you hear me say once that I approved of 100% of the things Joe
did?? No.
Denise
A woman away to find the definition of skank.....
(Id always thought it meant ugly dirty slutty type people.... and being
as I've never been short of admirers , I don't think I fell out the
ugly tree.... Dirty... well I shower daily and slut ?? Well, you know
my views on sex and fidelity!!
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<<He'd say the two of you are 'swift as shit'>>
LOL!! I like that one!!
Mibbeez you DO have a sense of humour after all.
Denise
A woman amused by a new phrase she learnt today :-)
Mandy
Lilith Bee
<raynd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>
> Noooooo!! I am the man in questions best friend!
> Nothing will ever progress there deeper than friendship! Eh Joe!! I
> know TOO MANY SECRETS!
>
> Best Wishes, Denise :-)
I will whole heartedly recommend a book by Shirley Glass, "Not Just
Friends", I believe is the title.
It appears, from way back here, you are clearly having an "emotional affair"
with this man.
What happens to you when he stops sharing his secrets?
LB~
PearL
Mandy wrote:
> I could never have a best friend like that. I'd be too ashamed I had
> lousy taste.
LMAO!
>Although I suppose he's probably a much better friend than
> a boyfriend or boy-toy.
No he isnt. And you know why (check your email). ; )
Mandy
Haha drip drip drip. I don't like fake friends. I had one once quite on
accident. She was one of my best friends up until my grade 8 year when
she went to high school. She completely changed her personality. She
became the biggest bitch ever. Or maybe she always was one and it just
wasnt directed at me. But when it happened it hurt so badly some days I
just wanted to cry. I never expected to be that screwed over in my
lifetime by such a good friend. I think I was probably miserable over
it for four months... understand I'm not a "stalker" but this was a
girl I was friends with since I was in kindergarten. I mean it
seriously stung. Then we had a HUGE fight again when her new best
friend the following year decided she didn't like me (it was a mutual
feeling) and it ended up so I didn't speak to her again until I was
done with high school. I mean if I see her now we do the friendly
hello-and-catch-up bit but other than that that innocent friendship is
a total loss.
And wtf does someone's father dying have to do with them continually
being pondscum Pearly? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Denise was
trying to say. -shrugs- I certainly hope so.
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<<It appears, from way back here, you are clearly having an "emotional
affair"
with this man. What happens to you when he stops sharing his secrets?
>>
I think not.
Most people who know Joe and I in 'real life' have suggested much the
same at one point or another. Ever Lisa once asked why Joe and I have
never got together.
There is something sacred about our friendship that would be ruined if
we weren't just friends. I have no romantic love interest in Joe and I
assume vice-versa.
Heather , you must know THAT is true!!
And why would he ever stop sharing his secrets with me? Thats what
friends do. We are always there for each other .No bullshit - no
complicated stuff.
Not having Joe as a friend will never be an option.
Denise
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<<<Not exactly any female that up a man's ass is sleeping with him. No
one defends a platonic male-female friendship this extensively unless
You sound SO sure of that!
If it makes you feel better then believe it! It makes zero odds to me.
But I love the way your little clique just try to trun the tables and
attack with home-made-pish stories. But being older and wiser, I have
no intention of taking the bait.
I shall leave you to it.
I need to go and plan my wedding outfit!
Later loons..
Denise :-)
Sarah Vaughan
I really doubt that. Joe's never shown any hesitancy about bragging
about his sexual involvements. For him to say that he _hasn't_ had sex
with someone is such a rare event that I'm inclined to believe it.
All the best,
Sarah Vaughan
[...]
> Sarah should not have had any expectations.
The only expectation I had was that Joe and I would remain friends. Of
course, with hindsight, 'remain' is the wrong word, since it now seemed
Joe wasn't my friend in the first place - he was just acting the part
when it suited him. So I suppose what I mean is that the only
expectation I had was that he was being honest with me when he said we
were friends.
> She travelled up to
> shag/blow Joe -- whatever.
No. I travelled up, at his invitation, to meet him and enjoy a few days
with him.
Denise, both you and Joe seem to be putting a quite disproportionate
amount of importance on the fact that I had sex with him. It's never
been anything I regarded as more than a relatively minor detail in my
life. Joe wanted sex, I thought that sounded like an excellent
idea, we had some fun, and some more good memories were added to a
generally pleasant weekend. And that, as far as the physical part of it
was concerned, was that.
What I was hurt and upset about is the fact that Joe led me to believe
we were *friends*, when, in fact, this was not the case. He was using
me. When Lorraine broke up with him, I spent a lot of time trying to
support him and be there for him, and he was quite happy to accept
that... until he had what he wanted. And by that, I don't even mean the
sex specifically. I mean that he had someone to be an admiring
audience, someone to be there for him and take his mind off things. It
was always a one-sided thing for him. He wanted someone who'd be there
when he needed them, but he didn't have any intention of being around
when it was the other way round. *That's* a pretty low way to act.
> If she is going to play adult games like
> that, then she needs to wise up and face the consequences of looking
> like a slapper.
Denise, you really seem to have a *problem* with the fact that I had sex
with Joe. I can understand you being annoyed by thinking that I trashed
him as revenge when he didn't want a relationship - you weren't to know
that that's a lie, and I can understand that you *still* don't want to
believe that it's a lie. But 'slapper' is the kind of word people
normally use specifically in order to criticise a woman's sexual
behaviour (and it is usually a *woman's* behaviour that's being
criticised). What is it about the thought of the sex that's bothering
you so much? (Or was it just another handy excuse to slag me off?)
> OK, I know there are 2 sides to it...
But you're still taking it for granted that the side Joe gives you is true.
>but do you see
> joe bleating on about what could have been?? Ermm?? NO.
??? I don't bleat on about "what could have been" either, so I'm not
quite sure what you're talking about here.
Sarah Vaughan
> The reason I CHOSE not to reply to the same old things you post, is
> because you are irrelevant.
See, Denise, I think this is one of the things that you don't really
get. I know it suits both you and Joe to dismiss PearL as irrelevant.
What you don't seem to be getting is that Heather does not find it
irrelevant that Joe was having cybersex with another woman at a time
when he'd promised her that he was going to try to make it work with her
this time and she could trust him.
> Ok, you asked for this! One night when you and Joe were 'having phone
> sex' I was there snipping away at some old Kerrang magazines with a cup
> of tea... suppressing the most hillarious laughter at Joes superb
> acting abilities. If I'd been on the other end of the phone, I too
> might have believed he was 'cumming'! The dropping of the phone was
> sheer class!!
> I did jibe him afterwards as I thought it was a bit cruel, however he
> told me he actually thought you were quite a nice person. He explained
> about your aggoraphobia and the fact that you are still a virgin - and
> kind of felt sorry for you.
Oooookaaaaaaayyyyyyy. So, you're telling us that Joe had no respect for
the confidentiality of another person's most intimate moments, and that
he had no problem with deliberately setting out to deceive someone who
was supposedly his friend.
Denise, has it occurred to you at any point that you might not be
providing quite the bang on the "Joe's just a poor innocent victim of
the lies of others" drum that you seem to have set out to pound?
Sarah Vaughan
> Mandy wrote ....
> <<<If my friend screwed around on multiple women you bet I wouldn't be
> on his jackass of a side. >>
>
> Did you hear me say once that I approved of 100% of the things Joe
> did?? No.
No, indeed. But we've heard you say that the only reason anyone's upset
with him on this occasion is because Heather can't handle him getting
together with Lisa, and all we're doing is telling lies to blacken his
name - so, IOW, you don't think that there's any actual problem
with the way he's treated Heather. We've heard you say that making
derogatory comments about a previous sex partner's sexual abilities is
something you think is *possibly* nasty. We've heard you say that
deceiving somebody who's supposedly a friend, and passing along her most
personal details to someone else with no respect for her privacy, was
*maybe* wrong.
Of course, maybe there's something Joe did at some point that you're
actually *sure* is wrong. By all means let us know, if so. But don't
split hairs about whether or not you're on his side. You've made it
very clear that, in this argument, you are.
> Denise
> A woman away to find the definition of skank.....
> (Id always thought it meant ugly dirty slutty type people.... and being
> as I've never been short of admirers , I don't think I fell out the
> ugly tree.... Dirty... well I shower daily and slut ?? Well, you know
> my views on sex and fidelity!!
If you have a better word to describe a woman who's amused by seeing
a person lying to someone who trusts him and who's happy to post other
people's intimate sexual details publically with the aim of humiliating
them, then by all means share it. I'm always happy to improve my
vocabulary.
PearL
PearL
I dont like secrets. People who keep secrets have something to hide, as
we all have learned.
PearL
Mandy wrote:
> Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Denise was
> trying to say. -shrugs- I certainly hope so.
Eh, dont worry about misunderstanding her hun. Nothing that comes out
of her mouth is the truth anyway. ; )
PearL
Sarah Vaughan wrote:
> Mandy wrote:
> > PearL wrote:
> >> raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> >>> Nothing will ever progress there deeper than friendship! Eh Joe!! I
> >>> know TOO MANY SECRETS!
> >>
> >> Exaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly.
> >
> > Not exactly any female that up a man's ass is sleeping with him. No one
> > defends a platonic male-female friendship this extensively unless
> > there's not a lot of actually platonic going around.
>
> I really doubt that. Joe's never shown any hesitancy about bragging
> about his sexual involvements. For him to say that he _hasn't_ had sex
> with someone is such a rare event that I'm inclined to believe it.
lmao sarah! I dont think Denise is 'up his ass' either, seeing as how
everytime I asked Joe how she was, he would say he didnt know cause he
hadnt seen her in months and months, and then he said she moved to
canada. But yet, she somehow 'knows' all. Hmm... she must have a
crystal ball. ; )
PearL
Sarah Vaughan wrote:
> raynd...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
> > The reason I CHOSE not to reply to the same old things you post, is
> > because you are irrelevant.
>
> See, Denise, I think this is one of the things that you don't really
> get. I know it suits both you and Joe to dismiss PearL as irrelevant.
> What you don't seem to be getting is that Heather does not find it
> irrelevant that Joe was having cybersex with another woman at a time
> when he'd promised her that he was going to try to make it work with her
> this time and she could trust him.
Very good point Sarah. Not to mention the pictures. ; )
> > Ok, you asked for this! One night when you and Joe were 'having phone
> > sex' I was there snipping away at some old Kerrang magazines with a cup
> > of tea... suppressing the most hillarious laughter at Joes superb
> > acting abilities. If I'd been on the other end of the phone, I too
> > might have believed he was 'cumming'! The dropping of the phone was
> > sheer class!!
> > I did jibe him afterwards as I thought it was a bit cruel, however he
> > told me he actually thought you were quite a nice person. He explained
> > about your aggoraphobia and the fact that you are still a virgin - and
> > kind of felt sorry for you.
>
> Oooookaaaaaaayyyyyyy. So, you're telling us that Joe had no respect for
> the confidentiality of another person's most intimate moments, and that
> he had no problem with deliberately setting out to deceive someone who
> was supposedly his friend.
lol Oh you picked up on that too, huh? ; ) Thanks for defending me
Sarah (you're a doll), but it's ok...I know she is lying about that
anyway. I know for a *FACT* there is NO way she would have been
listening, because #1... most of my phone calls to Joe lasted for HOURS
and I have the phone bills to prove it! It's not like we called, had
phone sex, and then hung up. We talked about everything under the sun
FIRST, then were 'intimate', and THEN we talked some MORE. lol. So if
Joe felt 'sorry for me', he must've REALLY felt sorry for me to spend
so much time talking to me. ; )
Also, I highly *doubt* Joe would make *anyone* sit there for hours
while he was talking to me on the phone. The few times I called when
he had company over, he always *told* me he had company (including when
Denise was there or Jock or some other guy, Duncan I think, who is the
son of one of his exes), and he *always* asked me to call him back
later on. Not to mention, that 99.9999999999 % of the time when I
called him, it was well past midnight (sometimes even as late as 2-3 am
in the morning) in *his* part of the world because as you know, y'all
are 5 hours ahead of us. So either he would get into bed and talk to me
from there, or he would fall asleep on his settee after talking to me
cause it was SO late. Not saying that Denise has never slept over his
house before, but... ya know... ; ) Plus, as I mentioned earlier in
another post, her whole post about 'listening' didnt even make sense
cause she contradicted herself all over the place. Like I said...
'swift as shit'. ; )
> Denise, has it occurred to you at any point that you might not be
> providing quite the bang on the "Joe's just a poor innocent victim of
> the lies of others" drum that you seem to have set out to pound?
::giggles:: I was thinking that same thing! ; )
Mandy
If it makes you feel better to call me a loon because you're acting
like some territorial obessive girlfriend then by all means namecall
away. I would never defend a friend after they've screwd over 3 other
people and especially if those 3+ people were all my gender especially
if I just implied I didn't agree with what he/she did. I find you
utterly bizarre. I've never seen anything like that. But maybe its got
a lot to do with morals and parentage or something. My mother taught me
well. If its susie fighting with bobby and teddy arguing with bobby and
karen's ready to punch bobby chances are its probably bobby who's
wrong. Debating with you reminds me of trying to convince my sister
that figure skating is a real sport. The logic you use is odd at my
nicest description. And I fully dislike when female know a guy is a dog
but they make excuses for them. It only makes the female look bad and
dog-like herself. I don't get it at all. How can you practically admit
you know he did wrong in one post and the next excuse him and
disrespect two of these women here? I know you probably wont reply and
when you do it will have been after a lot of thought and you'll word
your words all pretty like and make it sound semi logical but kindly
recall I know someone with your logic and best believe I'll see through
a bullshit flimsey excuse. After all I lived with my sister for
nineteen years. You remind me a lot of her honestly which no, isn't
nes. a bad thing but its also not positive. I swear Pearl my sister
should've been a lawyer....
Mandy
Thank you. It wasn't as if I called her a slut and implied she had sex
with the man but rather that I found her behavior skanky because I
couldn't imagine acting towards all of you knowing my *friend* did
wrong. As far as Joe the "mister nice" guy is concerned he's lucky I
don't invite him to America and make him miserable for how he treated
Pearly. I mean I know she was hurt and that makes me feel badly. I know
also that she's moved on (thank GOD) and that's the only thing stopping
me from sending him hate e-mail until he felt forced to block me. I
don't care for when people dick over my friends. -snickers- the word
dick reminds me of a picture pearly showed me... haha. It was a really
funny picture too.
PearL
Mandy wrote:
>. My mother taught me
> well. If its susie fighting with bobby and teddy arguing with bobby and
> karen's ready to punch bobby chances are its probably bobby who's
> wrong.
lmao! Very good point! ; )
raynd...@hotmail.co.uk
<<::looks around and whispers to you:: Might I advise, for future
reference, that you take your own pictures
from now on and store your 'unmentionables' at your own apt? Lisa
might not approve. Just a thought. >>
ROFLMAO!!!
First point - why take them myself when Joe does such a wondeful job..
doesn't he Heather!! But seriously, yes Joe did actually take 3 or 4
glamour pics with 'our friend' Linda. ((( oh oh .. another new name...
GATHER INFO - GATHER INFO)))
Sorry to burst your bubble however, but these were very tasteful and
never bottomless. And certainly not whilst using any 'unmentionables' (
i'll get back to THEM in a minute...)
The reason I asked him to take these pictures are my own, and are fuck
all to do with you!
Now... back to my unmentionables!! Is it the butt plug or the double
ender you want to talk about??
Even better.. why don't I get Joe round round with his camera so you
too can see what beautiful pictures he takes?? Infact why don't I get
him to take one of me using one , as you already seem to think they
exist for some reason?!?
What do you think would be best Pearl?? Mibbeez one up my ass?? WHERE
YOU ALWAYS BEGGED FOR HIS COCK??!!
You wanna play Pearl?? Lets play!!!
See I don't care what a 21 yearl old , know nothing of life bint with
no experience of sex, drink, drugs etc thinks of me ( THAT WILL BE
MANDY)
Nor do I care what a self-important passive-aggressive 'but I'm only
doing the world a favour' hypocritical poor excuse for a GP thinks of
me .. (step up to the podium SARAH)
Heather - I already know what she thinks about me ...
But you PEARL.... yeah lets play!!
So the rest of them ( maybe not HEATHER) can go FUCK themselves...
You Pearl.... you've just been promoted.... you're MY BITCH now!!!
The rest can reply all they like ... I only have eyes for you !!!
I know that no doubt there will be 40,000 replies and co-replies all
through the night and all through tomorrow... however I won't see them
until tomorrow night - beacuse unlike some of you , I HAVE a life.
And if I were married or had young children I wouldn't ever be able to
post at all - especially not if I was also a busy doctor!!
TTFN Pearl!
Luv Ya :-) xxx
PS - Just how IS your boyfriend getting on??? Whats his name again??
Tom? Dick?? Harry??
.
Mandy
Sweetheart not having sex and doing drugs does not mean I don't have
life experiences. Drugs and sex does not = life babedoll and if you
think otherwise you're more of a pathetic skankbag than I ever thought.
Not that I thought much of you to begin with. But feel better because I
promise you I can't think any less of you. I know wah wah you don't
care what a 21 year old thinks and wah wah wahhhh you have a life. So
you have alife but yet you keep managing to come back here again why??
Oh that's right because while you supposedly have a life it isn't that
fulfilling. Gotcha. As for me not having life experiences, just because
I'm not some sad person that tells you my life story (which I know you
wahhh don't want to know because wahh you have a life) doesn't mean
shit. But since you want bitches let me give you a vague description
of my life babedoll and let me warn you you aren't getting anything
HIGHLY useful for you to use against me or make bigger than it is.
Name: Amanda Elizabeth
Age:21
Hometown:PGH
State:Pa
I'm a city girl, about 15 minutes from downtown I have a mother, a
father, a biological father, two full siblings, 3 known of half
siblings, and 3 stepsiblings. I'm the second oldest next to my deceased
stepbrother Pat. Who died of cancer in 2000. I'm short, (5'1),
slender/super skinny (around 87-90 pounds), I've got great dark brown
almond shaped eyes, extremely light olive toned skin. I'm really family
oriented and my biggest fear is disappointing my parents. My Daddy
(stepfather btw) died thispast Sept and I miss him terribly
fun facts:
-I'm a twin and I'm older by two hours and his name is Phillip. Yes I
know two hours is a helluva looooong time people.
-My mother was nineteen when she delivered me.
-Eighteen months after my birth my sister Stephanie was born.
-I hate board games.
-I'm baptised Catholic but I'm not a Catholic in my mind.
-My favorite people are my best friend/cousin Miranda and my youngest
brother (half) Joey who turned 10 today
-My Biological father and mother divorced when I was two I think.
-I visited with him when I was seven
-I'm gun shy and came in fourth place in track due to it
-I can't swim well and once almost drowned at the wavepool
-My brothers, sister, and mother have all tested at a genius level on
the IQ tests
-I'm every relatives favorite (a fact I relish in btw)
- I tend to think I'm perfect lol
-I love the colors pink red and purple
-I have a suede boot fetish
-I own 10 pairs of suede boots (both faux and real) in various shades
and colours.
-I love Strawberry Shortcake (the doll)
-I have epilesy (seizures). They're call partial-complex btw
-I have no exta salivia in my mouth and a shitload of dental issues.
-I'm adorable. Not pretty not beautiful not hot or sexy but cute and
adorable.
I'm the only actual born burnette sibling out of everyone in my family
-I resemble my mother only with a much more delicate build
embarrassing facts
-I peed my pants in a dairy queen once when i was eleven. It was an
accident obviously
-I thought brown cows gave chocolate milk until I was ten years old.
-I used to be really gullible which ties into the brown cow/chocolate
milk theory btw.
-I'm terrified of shots and the doctors request my mother hold me down
to get them even though I have a decreased pain sensation.
-I once puked on a substitute teacher's pair of shoes when I was eight
years old.
-I puke(d) at the sight of my own blood
-I didn't get breasts and my period until I was almost sixteen
-I lisp occasionally
-I pick the skin off my lips when im anxious bored or nervous (believe
me it can be a nasty sight)
-all my siblings are more "intelligent" than me
-I actually have common sense and I constantly get praise for it from
everyone I know
-I looked like a monkey when I was two years old ala curious George
-I call my period Bob (inside joke btw)
-My grandmother's obessed cat Chance hates me and beats me up
regularly.
Pet travia
-I have 5 cats. They're all purebred Tonkinese.
-Cinnamon (female natural mink) is mine and she's not spayed
-I tend to save every animal I've ever met
-Both our female cats have babies right now and I already persuaded my
mother to let me keep Gypsie my favourite. She's white with a brown
mask and blue eyes
-I have a baby Geecko named Isabella who I call Izzy
-I want a snake
-I own five rats: Missy, Angelica, Thea, Samantha(Sammi), and
Alexandria(Alex)
-I have a dog named cuddles.
-I find hermit crabs hard to take care of.
I think I've given you enough to go on and yes I've left LOADS of good
stuff out since while it had a lot more to do with life experiences
they weren't experiences I wanted you to read or use against me....
Now that being said since I only know Pearly and since so many others
here actually look worthy of getting to know -ignores some- if they'd
like to give me a summary too that would be great mmmkaythankies.com
-
Sarah Vaughan
[...]
> See I don't care what a 21 yearl old , know nothing of life bint with
> no experience of sex, drink, drugs etc thinks of me ( THAT WILL BE
> MANDY)
> Nor do I care what a self-important passive-aggressive 'but I'm only
> doing the world a favour' hypocritical poor excuse for a GP thinks of
> me .. (step up to the podium SARAH)
> Heather - I already know what she thinks about me ...
> But you PEARL.... yeah lets play!!
So you do care what PearL thinks about you, then?
inquired
PearL
> Sorry to burst your bubble however, but these were very tasteful and
> never bottomless. And certainly not whilst using any 'unmentionables'
Then someone needs his ASS kicked. Get your steel toed boots on.
> The reason I asked him to take these pictures are my own, and are fuck
> all to do with you!
You are quite correct. I AGREE 100%. FINALLY. YOU GET IT. YOUR
BUSINESS has FUCK ALL to do with ME....a PERFECT STRANGER.
So *you* tell me then...WHY did Joe tell me about them? Ya see? Some
best friend ya got there Den. And if the pics didnt involve
unmentionables, then maybe you ought to speak to your 'friend' and tell
him to stop telling anyone who will listen that you had him take pics
of you in those positions. Hell, why is he even dragging YOUR shit out
where it *doesnt* belong? It's not his place to tell people about your
personal shit. I know MY best friend would certainly NEVER even THINK
of telling other people about my private business.
Maybe instead of wasting your precious time dicking around with a bunch
of 'loons' on a meaningless usenet group, you should be driving
yourself up to your best friend's house to kick his ASS and tell him
from now on that when it comes to YOU and your BUSINESS he needs to
keep his big fat mouth SHUT.
And you know, I just want to point out ... for shits and
giggles....that I would not be so *blatently* rubbing it in your face
about what an absolute PRICK RAT BASTARD he is, nor would I be acting
like such an ALL OUT MEGA BITCH from the depths of HELL to you, except
that you've been defending him for days like he's the BLOODY RISEN
CHRIST, and you've done nothing but slag on Sarah and I, who happen to
be two BLOODY DECENT PEOPLE (god I love using bloody as a swear word),
as if we are nothing but a couple of ugly old desperate hags who cant
get any other guy in our own countries to look our way, so we've made
it our life's ambition to stalk JOE LAMB... *stud* of cyber world and
master of all women worldwide :::stiffles laughter::: ... and over the
INTERNET no less. JESUS PLEASE.
Now Denise... I *know* you're a smart girl. So stop and THINK about
that for a min. You yourself said that only *recently* he finally got
himself employed, moved out of a disgusting hell hole of an apt, and
is, at 43 yrs old, FINALLY getting his act together. I mean jeez,
you're his BEST FRIEND and that's how you're talking about him???!!
Do you REALLY believe that Sarah (a married, well established and well
paid DOCTOR), and me... a girl who lives over 3000+ miles away are SO
enamored by him that we just cant bear to give him up and get on with
our lives?? Come on GIRL, pul-leeze. You are smarter than that. Why
do you continue to post such rubbish? We all know it's absurd. You're
making yourself look like a fool.
We ALL KNOW what this whole thing is about. Joe couldnt keep his DICK
in his SHORTS and he got CAUGHT, but he's too much of a PISSASS COWARD
to take responsibility for his own actions. On top of which, he treats
people, including YOU, like absolute DIRT. NO ONE who you call BEST
FRIEND should have told a stranger over the fucking *internet* that you
spread your legs for him so he could take pics of you vibrating for
your boyfriend. HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT. DO YOU GET IT NOW
DENISE? I'm on YOUR SIDE.
> Even better.. why don't I get Joe round round with his camera so you
> too can see what beautiful pictures he takes??
I've seen more than enough of Joe's pics. Cum and all.
> him to take one of me using one , as you already seem to think they
> exist for some reason?!?
Why would I think they existed, except that Joe told me they did? HOW
would I even KNOW that he took pics of you, period, whether they were
'naughty' pics or not?? Dont you understand? He shared PRIVATE
things... YOUR private things... with ME. Wanna know what else I know?
Email me and I'll let you know. Stop defending him Denise. He doesnt
deserve your loyalty. He's screwed you over as much as anybody else.
> You wanna play Pearl?? Lets play!!!
::rolls eyes::: Are we 5 now? I *never* wanted to play Denise. If
you recall, I said from your very FIRST post on the other NG that I had
NO beef with you, but you just HAD to pick at the scab. And for what?
I already told you that I KNEW you'd never believe a word I said, so
WHY did you even bother pretending like you wanted to hear my side?
You're the bloody one who said I could email you for christ sakes. Why
ASK when you know you dont give a fuck? Hm? Cause you only wanted to
tear me and Sarah down to get us back for Joe. You dont think we know
that he's reading this? Gimme a break.. we aint that dumb.
You think I wanted this? Like, yeah.. I just woke up one day and
said.. yanno what would be fun? I think I'll start a fight with Joe
and all his friends and ex lovers on a public newsgroup today for the
hell of it, and while I'm at it, I'll tell the world how I had cybersex
with some guy who didnt give a rat's ass about me.. hmm YEAH! That's
it. WOW what fun that'll be! ::rolls eyes::
You ask Joe. Ask him how many emails I sent to him asking him NICELY
if he would please speak to me in a rational adult manner, but he
refused, and then he'd go and post all kinds of shit in the newsgroups.
Ask him how many times I told him that ALL I wanted or needed to make
me DONE with this whole thing was ONE bloody "I'm sorry Krissy".... but
nooooo... he'd rather play games and be an asshole and threaten me with
spilling my 'dirt' and telling me that he couldnt control you, so I had
BETTER stop talking to Heather or else he didnt know what YOU were
gonna do. Did you know that? I mean christ, he's got YOU fighting his
battles for him. He's a sodding COWARD.
> See I don't care what a 21 yearl old , know nothing of life bint with
> no experience of sex, drink, drugs etc thinks of me ( THAT WILL BE
> MANDY)
And you think someone needs to do drugs, drink, and have sex to know
the things of life? Er.... ok? Poor Mother Teresa... good thing she's
dead and they only made her a saint.
> You Pearl.... you've just been promoted.... you're MY BITCH now!!!
Oh gee thanks. I'm so flattered. But dont get your hopes too high.
There's nothing you can say about me that I havent already posted. Oh
sure, you can post all kinds of nasty made up stuff like how I begged
joe to fuck me in this orafice or that one... but that's really lame.
Who gives a fuck? I already told everyone we had cyber sex and phone
sex.
What else is there? Oh .. he got a pic of my tits and I got pics of
his dick. Big whoop. And?
I've already told joe about 10x there's nothing he can say here to
embarass me cause i have no dirt. I'm a grown adult and I dont give a
shit about what people have to say about my sex life. It's my business.
Other than that, I'm a friggin god damn goody too shoes. Yeah, I dont
smoke or do drugs either and I rarely drink.. and I'm a 35 (soon to be
36) yr old virgin. Ohhhh nooooooo. I'm so worried about what you're
gonna say here about me.
What? More lame Joe Lamb insults?? Here, let me reiterate what's he's
already said in email to me -- I'm a psycho, shut- in, man hating,
bitter stalker, who was longing for joe to be my boyfriend and I'm so
upset that he didnt fuck me, so now I'm out to ruin his life from over
3000 miles awayyyyy!!! Yeah, that's it. ::rolls eyes again::: Make
up all the shit you want about me. I dont give a fuck. Joe's already
told so many lies about me, what's a few dozen more?
> PS - Just how IS your boyfriend getting on??? Whats his name again??
John. Wanna see a pic? He's damn hot if I do say so myself. :D
PearL
>
>
> inquired
> Sarah
Pft. All I wanted was a damn apology from her best friend. If i got one
i wouldnt even be here.
Mandy
I agree about John. Atleast he's hotter than Joe in that middle age man
sorta way. Yanno me I'm super picky. As for this entire thing YAY PEARL
I'M SOOOO proud of you for being nasty back at her!! And don't bother
getting offended by what she wrote about me she only said it to attempt
to make me feel inferior and like a little kid. She doesn't know me or
my life or what I have or have not experienced so its no skin off my
hind. I'm proud of the things I haven't done so she truely wasted her
time by trying to make me feel otherwise. What a moron. You know me I'm
extremely proud of not having done those things.
PearL
Mandy wrote:
> > John. Wanna see a pic? He's damn hot if I do say so myself. :D
>
> I agree about John. Atleast he's hotter than Joe in that middle age man
> sorta way. Yanno me I'm super picky. As for this entire thing YAY PEARL
> I'M SOOOO proud of you for being nasty back at her!! And don't bother
> getting offended by what she wrote about me she only said it to attempt
> to make me feel inferior and like a little kid. She doesn't know me or
> my life or what I have or have not experienced so its no skin off my
> hind. I'm proud of the things I haven't done so she truely wasted her
> time by trying to make me feel otherwise. What a moron. You know me I'm
> extremely proud of not having done those things.
I know. You are. I always find it weird when people try and use not
drinking, doing drugs, or having sex as a way to put down others. Like
as if you said you stalked paperboys and ate them. ahahaha ; )
PearL
Mandy wrote:
> I agree about John. Atleast he's hotter than Joe in that middle age man
> sorta way.
I forgot to say to you.... he is not middle aged! John is only 36, and
I am 35.. soon to be 36. If he's middle aged then I am... so he's NOT
middle aged! ahahahaha ; )
Mandy
Yeah I find it a bit baffling too because it makes them look like these
sex addicted alocholics who are so far superior because they can't
control themselves and they're insulting you because you refuse to
think like that or them. If the only way someone will consider me
"experienced" and "grown up" is if I'm some chain-smoking, party girl,
porn star extrodinaire then I hope Peter Pan and I make immature, high
flying, action packed babies together when we're 12 years old. Sheesh
Mandy
Pfftt I don't care he's still adorable looking. Not that I'm about to
try and jump his bones or anything seriously but still with so many
ugly people being allowed to breathe its nice to know they haven't
killed off all of us attractive people.... I'm kidding on that last
part btw
Lilith Bee
<raynd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
> LB wrote....
> <<It appears, from way back here, you are clearly having an "emotional
> affair"
> with this man. What happens to you when he stops sharing his secrets?
>>>
>
I'm sorry- you "think not" what? The emotional affair part, or that he will
not stop sharing secrets w/ you?
Emotional affairs are not always bad things.
>
> And why would he ever stop sharing his secrets with me? Thats what
> friends do. We are always there for each other .No bullshit - no
> complicated stuff.
> Not having Joe as a friend will never be an option.
>
Really? I'm sorry to be such a curious kind of gal, and since we don't know
each other...I'm sincerely interested in the human relationship aspect of
this....
so could we turn it around for a moment, let's say in a few years you find
your "dream man" and get married. He has a best friend from *way
back*....and one day you realize he is telling her the most intimate details
of your married relationship. How would that make you feel?
Oh, I'm not saying there can be no friendship...it's the word "secrets",
that makes me wonder. I mean, would you really want your mate sharing your
"secrets" with anyone outside of your marriage?
I wouldn't, but then, I'm not you- and we may not have the same ideals and
principles about marriage.
LB~
tries to look at all the angles