Wow
Robin
07/17/2005 My father passed away
09/29/2005 My great-aunt passed away
10/30/2005 My grandmother fell, breaking her pelvic bone in 2 places.
Never walked on her own again, and her general health began to go
downhill
02/13/2006 My uncle passed away
04/22/2006 My grandmother passed away
I am 3rd generation American-Sicilian. I was born in Chicago, IL.,
USA. I am an American. I am also Sicilian. That's how I look at it.
Your great-great-great-great-great grandparents were born in Africa?
You're African. Perhaps not by birth, but by the values that your
great-great-great-great-great grandparents held.
Don't like it? Kiss my ass. Do I whine that I've lost so many loved
ones in such a short period of time? No. Am I saddened that I didn't
have more time with them? Absolutely. My father and uncle passed
before I could tell either one once more that I loved them. Do I cry
about that? Absolutely. Am I still mourning? Yep, you bet. Nothing
wrong with that. Is my pain any greater than Missy's? Hell no. We ALL
go through our own personal hells. We are all human, and all created
equally.
{{{{{ Missy, Shay, Cassie }}}}} I wish there were something I could
say or do. All I can do is be a set of ears, or a soft shoulder. Know
that you're in my thoughts and prayers.
Joe, grow up. I'm sickened by what I've read in this group. Just
sickened. There's nothing wrong with feeling strongly about something,
but what you said towards Missy... that was just wrong. I hope you
sleep well at night.
Robin
Covenant
Joe
Kimmer
> 03/01/2005 My grandfather passed away
>
> 07/17/2005 My father passed away
>
> 09/29/2005 My great-aunt passed away
>
> 10/30/2005 My grandmother fell, breaking her pelvic bone in 2 places.
> Never walked on her own again, and her general health began to go
> downhill
>
> 02/13/2006 My uncle passed away
>
> 04/22/2006 My grandmother passed away
Wow...that's a lot of loss in a short time.
{{{{{Robin}}}}}
> I am 3rd generation American-Sicilian. I was born in Chicago, IL.,
> USA. I am an American. I am also Sicilian. That's how I look at it.
> Your great-great-great-great-great grandparents were born in Africa?
> You're African. Perhaps not by birth, but by the values that your
> great-great-great-great-great grandparents held.
I've pretty much stayed out of this because this is one thing that
really depends on the person and family. You're Sicilian, and I've
noticed that Italians and Sicilians of my acquaintance tend to identify
as such even when the person in question is many generations removed
from the last blood relative who was born in Italy or Sicily. For me,
my great-grandparents were from Germany and the Czech Republic, but I
don't identify as German or Czech because my family doesn't. My "family
values", for lack of a better phrase, derive from how I was raised,
which is several generations removed from the last German or Czech
relative I have and is more reflective of my parents' small-town
upbringing than anything else. When asked, I say that my family is of
German and Czech ancestry, but the last generation born outside this
country was my great-grandparents; no one still alive from my
grandparents generation even speaks German or Czech.
> Don't like it? Kiss my ass. Do I whine that I've lost so many loved
> ones in such a short period of time? No. Am I saddened that I didn't
> have more time with them? Absolutely. My father and uncle passed
> before I could tell either one once more that I loved them. Do I cry
> about that? Absolutely. Am I still mourning? Yep, you bet.
Heck, I still cry over losing my grandfather, and he died in 1982.
> Nothing
> wrong with that. Is my pain any greater than Missy's? Hell no. We
> ALL
> go through our own personal hells. We are all human, and all created
> equally.
It's a different type of Hell. I fully expect to lose my parents before
I'm 60 - although they could surprise me and hang on for far longer as
both are relatively healthy at 74 and 67 - but I certainly don't expect
to have any of my children go before me. That's a brand of Hell I just
can't imagine, yet it's exactly this that Missy is facing.
> {{{{{ Missy, Shay, Cassie }}}}} I wish there were something I could
> say or do. All I can do is be a set of ears, or a soft shoulder. Know
> that you're in my thoughts and prayers.
Ditto that in a big way. I'm always around, and email and my phone work
just fine :-)
> Joe, grow up. I'm sickened by what I've read in this group. Just
> sickened. There's nothing wrong with feeling strongly about
> something,
> but what you said towards Missy... that was just wrong. I hope you
> sleep well at night.
Again, I'm not paying attention to most things so I don't know if
anything was said directly to her or not. All I know is that this whole
thing appears to have started - note that I said "appears to have
started" as I have acknowledged that I haven't been reading this here -
as a personal issue.
Go ahead and yell at me for chiming in when I haven't been following the
"discussion", but I'm not commenting on that bit, just on Robin's post.
I have admitted that I haven't been following. If this makes my input
worthless, so be it.
Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom
PearL
Robin wrote:
> I am 3rd generation American-Sicilian. I was born in Chicago, IL.,
> USA. I am an American. I am also Sicilian. That's how I look at it.
Hey mi amica! ; ) I am a 3rd generation Italian-American too! My
family is from Abruzzi, and my grandparents, mom, aunts and uncles...
they speak both Italian and english. I only know the 'swear' words and
I wouldnt know how to spell them if my life depended on it! ; ) My
family follows many of the traditions my great-grandparents brought to
America from 'the old country' (as they used to refer to italy once
they were here). I am proud to be both American and Italian, and so
are ALL the Italians I know! I definitely think how much someone
identifies with their 'ethnicity' depends upon how many generations
removed their family is from the 'original' country their ancestors
came from, and how much their family follows the old customs,
traditions, etc.
Robin
what I was trying to say there, and it's just not coming out right.
Agreed, it's a different hell losing a child versus losing a parent or
grandparent. I couldn't imagine losing my son. Nor can I imagine what
Missy is going through. I just know I want to be there for her any way
I can.
<copied & pasted what i said>
> Joe, grow up. I'm sickened by what I've read in this group. Just
> sickened. There's nothing wrong with feeling strongly about
> something,
> but what you said towards Missy... that was just wrong. I hope you
> sleep well at night.
I should clarify what I was trying to get across. I'm not always
eloquent with words and sometimes get jumbled in the brain when I think
too fast. Maybe I'm an idiot, maybe I'm a genius, either way, what I
was trying to say was ... Your (Joe's) pain is no less than Missy's,
*for you*. What is/was devastating to you is far different from the
devastation she might be feeling. Losing a parent = valencia oranges,
losing a child = navel oranges........either way, it's all oranges but
they're different. Oh hell. I know what's in my heart, and it's
not translating to my fingers.
If I pissed someone off, well, that happens. Won't be the first time,
won't be the last, but just like everyone else, I can't apologize for
what's in my heart. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.
Kimmer
> I'm sorry... values wasn't what I was trying to get across...I know
> what I was trying to say there, and it's just not coming out right.
Then again, I could have gotten it wrong. It's okay, no biggie. I
think I got where you were going with that, though.
> Agreed, it's a different hell losing a child versus losing a parent or
> grandparent. I couldn't imagine losing my son. Nor can I imagine
> what
> Missy is going through. I just know I want to be there for her any
> way
> I can.
Same here.
> <copied & pasted what i said>
>> Joe, grow up. I'm sickened by what I've read in this group. Just
>> sickened. There's nothing wrong with feeling strongly about
>> something,
>> but what you said towards Missy... that was just wrong. I hope you
>> sleep well at night.
>
> I should clarify what I was trying to get across. I'm not always
> eloquent with words and sometimes get jumbled in the brain when I
> think
> too fast. Maybe I'm an idiot, maybe I'm a genius, either way, what I
> was trying to say was ... Your (Joe's) pain is no less than Missy's,
> *for you*. What is/was devastating to you is far different from the
> devastation she might be feeling. Losing a parent = valencia oranges,
> losing a child = navel oranges........either way, it's all oranges but
> they're different. Oh hell. I know what's in my heart, and
> it's
> not translating to my fingers.
I know where you're going. An individual's pain is theirs alone. Just
because someone else is going through pain doesn't discredit the
other's, and one isn't *worse* (for lack of a better word) than the
other. In the cases above, they're both losses but different types.
Joe's pain is no less real than Missy's, but it's subjective; Joe's is
his, Missy's is hers, and neither can understand exactly what the other
is experiencing. The thing outside observers need to remember is that
we can't know what's going on inside someone other than ourselves. For
Missy and Joe, all I can do as an outside entity is make myself
available to each of them for support, if they want that support.
There's no possible way I can truly understand what they're each going
through because their experiences aren't mine.
> If I pissed someone off, well, that happens. Won't be the first time,
> won't be the last, but just like everyone else, I can't apologize for
> what's in my heart. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.
There's no way you could possibly be a bad person for expressing how you
feel about something (and IMNSHO there's no way you could possibly be a
bad person :-)). I didn't find anything offensive in what you said, but
maybe someone else would. Hel, if you said the sky was blue someone
would probably be offended by that <g> Such is human nature. The
difficulty in this lies in seeing someone else's perspective, and that's
not an easy thing to do.
Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom
Covenant
"Robin" <robinaz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148611453....@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I'm sorry... values wasn't what I was trying to get across...I know
> what I was trying to say there, and it's just not coming out right.
>
> Agreed, it's a different hell losing a child versus losing a parent or
> grandparent. I couldn't imagine losing my son. Nor can I imagine what
> Missy is going through. I just know I want to be there for her any way
> I can.
>
> <copied & pasted what i said>
>> Joe, grow up. I'm sickened by what I've read in this group. Just
>> sickened. There's nothing wrong with feeling strongly about
>> something,
>> but what you said towards Missy... that was just wrong. I hope you
>> sleep well at night.
>
> I should clarify what I was trying to get across. I'm not always
> eloquent with words and sometimes get jumbled in the brain when I think
> too fast. Maybe I'm an idiot, maybe I'm a genius, either way, what I
> was trying to say was ... Your (Joe's) pain is no less than Missy's,
> *for you*. What is/was devastating to you is far different from the
> devastation she might be feeling. Losing a parent = valencia oranges,
> losing a child = navel oranges........either way, it's all oranges but
> they're different. Oh hell. I know what's in my heart, and it's
> not translating to my fingers.
M'dear.
Not only do I appreciate that I FULLY understand and agree with it.
BUT I did not direct any comments AT Missy at all.
And As I said in the original thread, I am deeply and heartfelt(ly) sorry it
looked like that.
BUt I also CANNOT withdraw the comments as the were intended for a totally
different party.
--
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands
Lilith Bee
Robin wrote:
> Losing a parent = valencia oranges,
> losing a child = navel oranges........
For me, they're not even oranges & oranges. More like fruits & veggies.
They are still plants, just not in the same family..
Losing ones' parent is a very painful process of life.
Losing a child...is well, out of the natural order of things.
No comparison.
>
> If I pissed someone off, well, that happens. Won't be the first time,
> won't be the last, but just like everyone else, I can't apologize for
> what's in my heart. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.
{{{{Robin}}}}
You could scream at me, call me names, hate my guts, and I would still
NEVER think of you as a *bad* person.
now....I've got some new CDs for the juke box...you got a favorite?
softly smiled
LB~
Lilith Bee
"Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>
> BUT I did not direct any comments AT Missy at all.
> And As I said in the original thread, I am deeply and heartfelt(ly) sorry
> it looked like that.
<nods> yeah, you're sorry~ you're sorry Sarah didn't..... what exactly is
it, Sarah didn't do for you, Joe?
Give you the same sympathy? Empathy? Or do you consider yourself to be
*entitled*, LOL!! (no pun intended, really!) oh yeah! Sarah dared not give
YOU a consideration she felt towards Missy....
>
> BUt I also CANNOT withdraw the comments as the were intended for a totally
> different party.
oh, you COULD...but you won't, will you?
oh well, at least in this post- you're not blaming Missy (or others) for
misunderstanding your words.
seethed
LB~
Covenant
"Lilith Bee" <som...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9uLdg.5618$921....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>
>> BUT I did not direct any comments AT Missy at all.
>> And As I said in the original thread, I am deeply and heartfelt(ly) sorry
>> it looked like that.
>
> <nods> yeah, you're sorry~ you're sorry Sarah didn't..... what exactly
> is it, Sarah didn't do for you, Joe?
> Give you the same sympathy? Empathy? Or do you consider yourself to be
> *entitled*, LOL!! (no pun intended, really!) oh yeah! Sarah dared not
> give YOU a consideration she felt towards Missy....
And That is why she is a hypocrite.
So you DO get it!
You just don't feel I'm WORTHY of it!
Okay, thanks for that.
Nice christian values.
Riiiiggght.. Get it now.
>>
>> BUt I also CANNOT withdraw the comments as the were intended for a
>> totally different party.
>
> oh, you COULD...but you won't, will you?
Ahhh but I DID. You just CHOSE not to read it that way.
> oh well, at least in this post- you're not blaming Missy (or others) for
> misunderstanding your words.
And yet your STILL angry at that?
> seethed
Apparently so...
Weird.
Lilith Bee
Covenant wrote:
> >
> > <nods> yeah, you're sorry~ you're sorry Sarah didn't..... what exactly
> > is it, Sarah didn't do for you, Joe?
> > Give you the same sympathy? Empathy? Or do you consider yourself to be
> > *entitled*, LOL!! (no pun intended, really!) oh yeah! Sarah dared not
> > give YOU a consideration she felt towards Missy....
>
>
> And That is why she is a hypocrite.
no, IMHO, a hypocrit is one who tells other to
"do as I say- not as I do"
I've have NEVER seen Sarah to be hypocritical.
>
> So you DO get it!
> You just don't feel I'm WORTHY of it!
I "get" that Sarah gave a consideration to Missy, that she felt, (same
as I), that you do not deserve. As I said earlier, "no comparison."
>
> Okay, thanks for that.
You're most welcome.
>
> Nice christian values.
>
LOL!! Too funny, Joe, - but I'm not surprised at you these days.
Are *you* judging me and my values? LOL!!!!!! talk about your
hypocrisy! How do you justify your actions w/ your faith? What does my
faith have to do with anything, anyway? This is twice now you've
mentioned it. You are not my judge, Joe. I take responsibility for my
actions and my words.
> >>
> >> BUt I also CANNOT withdraw the comments as the were intended for a
> >> totally different party.
> >
> > oh, you COULD...but you won't, will you?
>
> Ahhh but I DID. You just CHOSE not to read it that way.
actually, uhm, NO. I read *exactly* your words as written, "I'm sorry
if you took it", or is this yet another case, of "that's what I wrote,
but not what I meant", LOL!!!!
>
> And yet your STILL angry at that?
>
Today? nope. Shay is fine for awhile, and all is well in my world.
FTR, Joe? You cannot hurt me with your words, innuendos, and
implications. From what I've been reading about your personal life, you
have absolutely no room to disparage others. Just accept the fact that
some people are not going to like you or your actions, stop trying to
justify yourself, and stop tossing stones until you're perfect! LOL!
Heaven forbid, and we all KNOW- you don't/won't apologize for anything,
because it is always someone else's fault!
now, I can't wait for you to come back and invalidate my opinions! ;-)
laughed
LB~
Covenant
"Lilith Bee" <lilit...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1148819349.1...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> I've have NEVER seen Sarah to be hypocritical.
Then you are not looking in the right places.
>> So you DO get it!
>> You just don't feel I'm WORTHY of it!
> I "get" that Sarah gave a consideration to Missy, that she felt, (same
> as I), that you do not deserve. As I said earlier, "no comparison."
Not to you.
But then you are not the one Sarah is being hypocritical towards.
Horses for courses, as I said to you earlier.
(Difference being, YOU are the one entering me into SARAH'S words... Not
me.)
>> Okay, thanks for that.
>
> You're most welcome.
>>
>> Nice christian values.
>>
> LOL!! Too funny, Joe, - but I'm not surprised at you these days.
> Are *you* judging me and my values? LOL!!!!!! talk about your
> hypocrisy! How do you justify your actions w/ your faith?
What faith is that?
Or do you think you know something ELSE about me that I don't???
(Wow.. not only do I not know what my own words mean, but I also have *a
faith* I should be acting in accordance with???? Tell me more!!!)
> What does my
> faith have to do with anything, anyway? This is twice now you've
> mentioned it. You are not my judge, Joe. I take responsibility for my
> actions and my words.
In the same way m'dear that You are not mine.
Yet you continue to try and BE so.
And *that* is what I find hypocritical.
*I* do not continnually discuss *my faith* and then act in the way you are.
(And I find passive aggressiveness kinda dull... Oh I'm sue to those who
WOULD care that you might be *good* at it... BUt.. Well, you know the
rest...)
That aside, You have said more than once that your FAITH *forces* you to
love me.
Thats' garbage.
(Or at least, your interperation that convinces you you can treat people in
this manner and yet still say *I Love you as a human being*.)
>> >> BUt I also CANNOT withdraw the comments as the were intended for a
>> >> totally different party.
>> >
>> > oh, you COULD...but you won't, will you?
>>
>> Ahhh but I DID. You just CHOSE not to read it that way.
>
> actually, uhm, NO. I read *exactly* your words as written, "I'm sorry
> if you took it", or is this yet another case, of "that's what I wrote,
> but not what I meant", LOL!!!!
See.
This is a pretty pathetic mode of *attack*.
"You didn't mean that!!!"
<sigh>
>> And yet your STILL angry at that?
>>
>
> Today? nope. Shay is fine for awhile, and all is well in my world.
>
> FTR, Joe? You cannot hurt me with your words, innuendos, and
> implications. From what I've been reading about your personal life, you
> have absolutely no room to disparage others. Just accept the fact that
> some people are not going to like you or your actions, stop trying to
> justify yourself, and stop tossing stones until you're perfect! LOL!
What IS funny is that you don;t seem to be able to follow your OWN advice.
> Heaven forbid, and we all KNOW- you don't/won't apologize for anything,
> because it is always someone else's fault!
I apologised unreservedly to Missy.
YOU chose to view it as an excuse... Again... (You ARE Getting really
predictable you know.)
> now, I can't wait for you to come back and invalidate my opinions! ;-)
INvalidate your *opinions*???
Not at all.
Unless those *opinions* are in an attempt to decry my words as being
something other than what I intended them to be due to your biase and
constant *need* to paint me in as dark a light as you can.
Unfortunately, as I have said previously, I no longer NEED for people who
neither know me, or ever WILL know me to *accept* me or *like* me.
This is not some american popularity contest (Where *POPULARITY* seems to be
THE thing.
It's words on a screen.
And again, as I said before, not TOO long ago, I would have been bending
over backwards to attempt to *justify* my words, actions, lack off same, etc
etc.
Now??
Why bother?
YOU have already judged... Despite your faith <snurk>
Anything I say to you is viewed with suspicion and mistrust.
Again then, why bother?
--
Covenant
A Man Who, If He HAD Bothered Could Have Gone OOOOOn and OOOOn and
OOOOnnnnnn Sure You've Seen It Before...
Lilith Bee
PearL
>Covenant wrote:
> *I* do not continnually discuss *my faith* and then act in the way you are.
I've no more talked about my faith than you have about yours, but you
said the same thing to me about being a good christian.
> This is not some american popularity contest (Where *POPULARITY* seems to be
> THE thing.
LMAO! I was wondering how long it was gonna take you before you found
SOME way to sneak in a dig about America. Damn, talk about predictable.
I wish I was a betting girl cause I would have just won some serious
bucks! ahahahahahhaha
> And again, as I said before, not TOO long ago, I would have been bending
> over backwards to attempt to *justify* my words, actions, lack off same, etc
But now you cant cause there are three people who have the same story
against your version. You'd still be bending over backward on the amy
group to justify your words/actions if Heather and Sarah didnt jump in
to help defend me.
> Anything I say to you is viewed with suspicion and mistrust.
With good reason. You've proven to be untrustworthy.
> A Man Who, If He HAD Bothered Could Have Gone OOOOOn and OOOOn and
> OOOOnnnnnn
If you really couldnt be bothered, you wouldnt be replying at all,
period.
Lilith Bee
Covenant wrote:
blah, blah and more blah...I've seen it all and read it before....
to me:...you are scum...
and not even worthy of a decent response...........
I'll pray, Joe, that you will treat your daughter, better than you
treat others in your personal life. *This* prayer, most certainly
includes the mother of your daughter!
most humbly prayed,
LB~
Covenant
>
> Covenant wrote:
>
> blah, blah and more blah...I've seen it all and read it before....
>
> to me:...you are scum...
;' ))))
Coming from YOU lilith, that means a lot!
Heh...
I don't agree with most of what yuo say, I openly dislike you and that makes
me scum...
NICE one!
(Please don't bother trying to address any *reasoning* behind it.
As is always the case, it's based on BS taken from whatever source you
want... As I said many times before, ANYTHING ANYONE posts in this
delightful media is open for conjecture and debate. ANYTHING, even the
simplest post can be scrutinised and taken to mean whatever YOU want it to
mean.
As you have shown time and again.
I'm scum???
Hehhh....
> and not even worthy of a decent response...........
No change there then.
> I'll pray, Joe, that you will treat your daughter, better
I'll put this one simply.
Fuck You.
Attempt to get at me by trying to attack my relationship with my daughter?
How dare you.
You know NOTHING of it.
> than you treat others in your personal life.
Like *whom*?
Who else in my personal life are you aware of?
You don't even know ME let alone anyone ELSE.
You see, other then the mother of my daughter, everyone else indulging in
this little debate who is *on my side, as Kristy so delightfully put it, is
DEFENDING me.... And this being AGAINST my asking them to leave it alone.
Now, to anyone with HALF a mind to look at something without biase and
inbuilt hatred in their excuse for a heart, this would *say* something....
But not to you.
<snurk>
Funny that. eh!?
>*This* prayer, most certainly includes the mother of your daughter!
> most humbly prayed,
Hypocritical bitch.
PearL
Covenant wrote:
> I don't agree with most of what yuo say, I openly dislike you and that makes
> me scum...
> NICE one!
>
> (Please don't bother trying to address any *reasoning* behind it.
> As is always the case, it's based on BS taken from whatever source you
> want...
The sources would be Heather and Denise. See below.
> Attempt to get at me by trying to attack my relationship with my daughter?
> How dare you.
> You know NOTHING of it.
Read the other group.
> > than you treat others in your personal life.
>
> Like *whom*?
> Who else in my personal life are you aware of?
< snip>
> You see, other then the mother of my daughter, everyone else indulging in
> this little debate who is *on my side, as Kristy so delightfully put it, is
> DEFENDING me....
That's not true. You have met both Tracy and Sarah in real life. Tracy
is defending you, Sarah is not. And while you continually deny that I
dont know you because we've never met face to face, I certainly do
*know* what you've said to me and how you've treated me over the last 3
1/2 years. Heather, Sarah, and I vs you, Denise, and Tracy. I'd say
the playing field is level. As to why Lilith chooses to believe our
side over yours, well... read below.
> Now, to anyone with HALF a mind to look at something without biase and
> inbuilt hatred in their excuse for a heart, this would *say* something....
>
> But not to you.
Well, you admitted that you arent reading the other group, so this
would explain why you think Lilith doesnt know anything. But she does,
because Heather has been writing a lot. And tho you may say that
Heather is lying, we all have reason to believe what Heather has been
writing, thanks to your friend Denise. Maybe you *should* read the
other group just to see what your 'friend' is saying about you? Wait..
to save you the trouble... here's a *bit* of what Mandy had to say to
Denise, because she (mandy) was confused as to why Denise was defending
you after she (Denise) had just been saying that she did *not* agree
with your behavior...
(mandy wrote to denise)
[[ I would never defend a friend especially if I just implied I didn't
agree with what he/she did. I find you utterly bizarre. I've never seen
anything like that. But maybe its got
a lot to do with morals and parentage or something. My mother taught me
well. If its susie fighting with bobby and teddy arguing with bobby and
karen's ready to punch bobby, chances are its probably bobby who's
wrong. Debating with you reminds me of trying to convince my sister
that figure skating is a real sport. The logic you use is odd at my
nicest description. And I fully dislike when female knows a guy is a
dog, but they make excuses for them. It only makes the female look bad
and dog-like herself. I don't get it at all. How can you practically
admit you know he did wrong in one post and the next excuse him and
disrespect two of these women here? ]]
tracicle
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it
means.
(That's all I had to say, actually. I'll go back to playing darts now.)
--
tracicle
PearL
tracicle wrote:
> You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it
> means.
lmao! I LOVE that movie! Inconceivable! ahahaha ; )
Lilith Bee
Covenant wrote:
>
> Fuck You.
>
> Hypocritical bitch.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! too funny Joe.
Joe has a potty mouth- joe has a potty mouth!
LOL!!!! sticks & stones.......LOL!!!!
Vocabulary shows the level of intelligence. That's as good as ya got?
laughed & laughed
LB~
Lilith Bee
tracicle wrote:
>
> (That's all I had to say, actually. I'll go back to playing darts now.)
>
<wanders over to dart board>
would you like to play cricket?
tracicle, did someone tell me you had another baby?
got pics?????
LB~
tracicle
was paired up with blondestranger/deblon at the time (from aglami) and
our opponents were a pair of very drunk old men. :P
I did indeed have another baby (you'd think I'd have learned the first
time, but no!). Photos are at http://juju.net.nz/photos and baby blog
is at http://juju.net.nz/tracyh/blog/ So now we have a full set: Ethan
is almost 3 and a half, and Amy is one year old at the end of June.
How are you, Lilith B? I've missed you terribly -- and your random
late-night phone calls!
--
tracicle
Heather
Heather
Sarah Vaughan
[...]
> You see, other then the mother of my daughter, everyone else indulging in
> this little debate who is *on my side, as Kristy so delightfully put it, is
> DEFENDING me.... And this being AGAINST my asking them to leave it alone.
Isn't that a tautology? Obviously the people who are 'on your side' are
defending you - it would be a little odd if they weren't. I'm not sure
what that's meant to prove.
> Now, to anyone with HALF a mind to look at something without biase and
> inbuilt hatred in their excuse for a heart, this would *say* something....
>
> But not to you.
>
> <snurk>
>
> Funny that. eh!?
Joe, what I'm finding funny here is that while there are only two people
defending you - and one of those is your best friend and someone who is
clearly not aware of important parts of the story, whatever she and you
would like to think to the contrary - the people who now disagree with
you include some of the most peaceable, let-it-pass,
turn-the-other-cheek characters in this little corner of Usenet.
Now, it seems to me that *that* would say something. And, indeed, to
you it does. What it says to you is that all these people are
hypocrites who are biased against you for some mysterious reason that
you don't actually seem to have explained adequately at any point.
Which I find an interestingly self-serving way to look at it, because it
seems to me that most people would find the rather more obvious
conclusion to be that you've genuinely behaved in a way that's offensive
and wrong.
Sarah
--
http://www.goodenoughmummy.typepad.com
"That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be" - P. C. Hodgell
Covenant
"tracicle" <tra...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148931163....@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Hypocritical
>
> You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it
> means.
;' )))
Nice one.
But yeah, I know what it means.
Covenant
"Sarah Vaughan" <nann...@samael.demon.co.uk>
<sigh>
> and one of those is your best friend and someone who is clearly not aware
> of important parts of the story,
You have NO idea how ludicrous that sentence is.
Covenant
No, but it's all you're worth.
> laughed & laughed
Yeah, I was waiting for that *null* response.
Pretty lame. But I have noticed you do tend to do so when you can't
otherwise answer.
In all my years of usenet posting I would say I've maybe used it about,
what, half a dozen times?
I'll sure Kristy will google it and not post when she finds I'm right.
(Or take great delight to do so if I'm out by 3 or 4 instances over a 7-8
years period)
And, as it seems that the *party* seems to want to go on in here... Carry
on.
"...... Ooooh Vienna!"
PearL
Covenant wrote:
> In all my years of usenet posting I would say I've maybe used it about,
> what, half a dozen times?
> I'll sure Kristy will google it and not post when she finds I'm right.
??? Lilith's been posting with you far longer than I have. I'm sure
she knows better than I how many times you've used it. But just for the
record... I really dont care if it's been 2x or 200. My language isnt
exactly mary poppins-like, so I'm surely not pointing any fingers at
you for using it.
Sarah Vaughan
> "Sarah Vaughan" <nann...@samael.demon.co.uk>
>
> <sigh>
>
>
>> and one of those is your best friend and someone who is clearly not aware
>> of important parts of the story,
>
>
>
> You have NO idea how ludicrous that sentence is.
Then, by all means, explain. From things she's said on the group, it's
clear that you've told her stuff that isn't true.
PearL
Sarah Vaughan wrote:
> Covenant wrote:
> > "Sarah Vaughan" <nann...@samael.demon.co.uk>
> >
> > <sigh>
> >
> >
> >> and one of those is your best friend and someone who is clearly not aware
> >> of important parts of the story,
> >
> >
> >
> > You have NO idea how ludicrous that sentence is.
>
> Then, by all means, explain. From things she's said on the group, it's
> clear that you've told her stuff that isn't true.
I know you know this.... but he will never explain because he cant.
He's conveniently ignored every post that he cant talk or insult his
way out of, as I'm sure you've also noticed. And now that others have
made their disapproval known regarding his nasty behavior, he cant keep
spewing that garbage about how we (you, I, and heather) are all out to
get him only cause we're bitter that he never wanted relationships with
any of us. ::::laughs at that accusation::::
He's lost big time in this, and so, rather than admit defeat or
wrongdoing, he'd rather just slink away back under his rock and pretend
like none of this ever happened. How convenient. For you and I, it's
over. We dont need to ever speak to him again and our lives will go on
just fine. But Heather... well, my thoughts and prayers are with her.
She has the patience of a saint and the strength of an angel. I cannot
even imagine going thru everything she's been thru with Joe, all the
while working, going to school, and raising two wonderful children by
herself. She deserves a medal, as do most single parents.
However, my heart goes out to Charlotte the most. She is the innocent
in this whole thing, and I only hope that at least *something* good can
come out of all this mess for her sake.
Lilith Bee
tracicle wrote:
>
> I did indeed have another baby (you'd think I'd have learned the first
> time, but no!). Photos are at http://juju.net.nz/photos and baby blog
> is at http://juju.net.nz/tracyh/blog/ So now we have a full set: Ethan
> is almost 3 and a half, and Amy is one year old at the end of June.
<is dizzy> I couldn't have been *away* that long!!!! ;-)
Beautiful children & family, Sweetie! Wow....
>
> How are you, Lilith B? I've missed you terribly -- and your random
> late-night phone calls!
I'm really ok, <happy smiles> family is good, work is good, life is
fairly quiet & regular.
I *like* boring. ;-) The most *drama* I've had recently has been in
here. <grins & winks> Yes, Sugar- I miss the calls, too. ;-) and your
accent- <giggles>
I think someone has whispered that you & Trash have LJs. Do I need to
have links?
<soft smiles>
Now, can I fix you a drink?
offered,
LB~
Tracy
> > Covenant wrote:
>
> "...... Ooooh Vienna!"
>
I love that song - profound and beautiful.
Lilith Bee
Covenant wrote:
>
> Pretty lame. But I have noticed you do tend to do so when you can't
> otherwise answer.
There *is* no reponse to vulgarity & pointless name calling. I happen
to think your lower than pond scum because of your own actions, and
words. I'm not the one w/ questionable parenting skills and privacy
issues being bandied about Usenet. Your dislike of me seems to be
because I disagree w/ you. Not because of any personal actions on my
part. I am a simple _nobody_, remember?
Do I *choose* to believe what others are saying? Yes, your defenses are
lame, and I *choose* to believe the mother of your child. Or are you
calling her a liar? Is everyone lying about your actions? I think not.
>
> In all my years of usenet posting I would say I've maybe used it about,
> what, half a dozen times?
so? what's your point? I'm *special* enuff ? LOL!!
Or do you really disrespect everyone else here, and don't care who
reads *what* from you?
LB~
PearL
>From: Tracy
>Date: 31 May 2006 06:54:21 -0700
>Subject: Re: Wow
>PearL wrote:
> He's conveniently ignored every post that he cant talk or insult his
> way out of, as I'm sure you've also noticed.
>Nah - you've noticed cos you want this to go on and on and on.........
> snip>
No actually, I dont. In fact, as far as my part in the fighting goes, I
would have stopped WEEKS ago if Joe had given me the one and only thing
I've wanted and asked for from him regarding this mess... which
basically is an apology. And he knows it, as I've told him so many
times.
Tracy
You said alot for somebody who just simply wanted an apology!!
Covenant
> lame,
; ')
I am not MAKING any defences sweetie....
I don't NEED to.
I have said MAAAANY times now, I am NOT discussing this.
(And I am not. Have lies been spoken? Yes. By the parties you chose to
believe? Yes.
Has it ALL been lies, not at all... but there is telling the truth, and
then there is presenting *facts* in such a way to villify people...)
PERFECT examples have been made only in the last 2 or 3 days....
Regardless, as I said, I am NOT discussing it.
(Alluding to things happening is not, by definition, discussing them.)
I may have the occasional *go* at the people for *doing* what the are
doing...
But the topic itself? Nope!
(And THAT is why it goes on and on and on...... Paradoxical, but true. )
Covenant
"Tracy" <sistermoo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149111128.9...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> PearL wrote:
>> >From: Tracy
>> >Date: 31 May 2006 06:54:21 -0700
>> >Subject: Re: Wow
>>
>> >PearL wrote:
>> > He's conveniently ignored every post that he cant talk or insult his
>> > way out of, as I'm sure you've also noticed.
????
I can insult my way out of ANYTHING if I choose to...
Confused now....
BUT, read on......... !!!
>> >Nah - you've noticed cos you want this to go on and on and on.........
>> > snip>
>>
>>
>> No actually, I dont. In fact, as far as my part in the fighting goes, I
>> would have stopped WEEKS ago if Joe had given me the one and only thing
>> I've wanted and asked for from him regarding this mess... which
>> basically is an apology. And he knows it, as I've told him so many
>> times.
>
> You said alot for somebody who just simply wanted an apology!!
Whoa!!!
An apology from me???
(Did I *See* that one??? No Matter.....)
Okay....
(Now, seeing as how ANY time (and I DO mean **ANY** time) I apolgise it is
dissected and taken to mean ANYTHING other than what it is intended to be, I
shall make this one more simple than words can ever be..)
PearL.
I am sorry.
Joe
Tracy
Covenant wrote:
> I may have the occasional *go* at the people for *doing* what the are
> doing...
> But the topic itself? Nope!
>
Completely and utterly connect with that comment, Joe!
Missy Pratt
> I am sorry.
>
>
> Joe
And that might be all that was needed.
Thank you, Joe, from someone who has watched friends become not friends...
Missy
PearL
Tracy wrote:
> > No actually, I dont. In fact, as far as my part in the fighting goes, I
> > would have stopped WEEKS ago if Joe had given me the one and only thing
> > I've wanted and asked for from him regarding this mess... which
> > basically is an apology. And he knows it, as I've told him so many
> > times.
>
> You said alot for somebody who just simply wanted an apology!!
Yes well, t'wasnt my choice to bring it here, as I've said before!
Tracy
Yes, and as I said before, we could go round and round in circles on
this and still get nowhere, so yeah! We have all had our say;
disagreed mutually on mostly everything and now on a possible
stalemate. A good thing, perhaps? :)
PearL
>Covenant wrote:
> PearL.
> I am sorry.
>
>
> Joe
Thank you. Apology accepted. {{hugs}}
~K
Covenant
"Missy Pratt" <bkw...@copper.net> wrote in message
news:447e4...@newsfeed.slurp.net...
Just so's we know where we are...
Missy.
I'm Sorry.
Lilith.
I'm, Sorry.
Kath
I'm Sorry
Joe
A Man Who Really Does Believe Life Is too Short.
Missy Pratt
> Missy.
> I'm Sorry.
Apology accepted
> Joe
> A Man Who Really Does Believe Life Is too Short.
I believe the same thing, but I also believe that actions speak louder than
words. I'm not asking for anything special, but please let me see that you
are aware, and trying to make changes. (I've been married to a man who says
'Sorry, it won't happen again' until the fists fly the next time. I need to
*see* it.)
I've known you a long time, Joe. I know you can do this...
{{{hugs}}}
Missy
Lilith Bee
Covenant wrote:
>
> Lilith.
> I'm, Sorry.
apology accepted.
Now, what'll you have to drink, and do you play cricket?
trip 20'd,
LB
Covenant
>> Just so's we know where we are...
>
>> Missy.
>> I'm Sorry.
>
> Apology accepted
>
>> Joe
>> A Man Who Really Does Believe Life Is too Short.
>
> I believe the same thing, but I also believe that actions speak louder
> than words. I'm not asking for anything special, but please let me see
> that you are aware, and trying to make changes. (I've been married to a
> man who says 'Sorry, it won't happen again' until the fists fly the next
> time. I need to *see* it.)
I can absolutely promise I'll never punch you.
The rest, I really did mean what I said when I said I was trying. really,
really, really!!
> I've known you a long time, Joe. I know you can do this...
> {{{hugs}}}
I can certainly do *that*... {{{you}}}
Covenant
>
> Covenant wrote:
>
>>
>> Lilith.
>> I'm, Sorry.
>
> apology accepted.
>
> Now, what'll you have to drink,
Us Barkeep's don;t drink!
>and do you play cricket?
> trip 20'd,
Hmmm...
Now THAt was beyond me!
--
Covenant
A Man For Whom That Was Beyond
Lilith Bee
"Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>and do you play cricket?
>> trip 20'd,
>
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Now THAt was beyond me!
>
in my little corner of the world, the inner ring of the dart board is worth
triple the number hit, what's it called by you? So my first dart tossed
would close out my 20s. Make sense?
wondered,
LB~
PearL
Lilith Bee wrote:
> in my little corner of the world, the inner ring of the dart board is worth
> triple the number hit, what's it called by you? So my first dart tossed
> would close out my 20s. Make sense?
I've never played darts in my life. In fact, I've never been in a
*bar*. I've been in restaurants, which have a bar in them, but never
just a stand alone bar. Am i missing much?
~PearL
A girl who's missed a lot of things in life.
Her Benevolence, The BEAST
"PearL" <bstn...@aol.com> wrote in message
> Lilith Bee wrote:
>> in my little corner of the world, the inner ring of the dart board is
>> worth
>> triple the number hit, what's it called by you? So my first dart tossed
>> would close out my 20s. Make sense?
>
> I've never played darts in my life. In fact, I've never been in a
> *bar*. I've been in restaurants, which have a bar in them, but never
> just a stand alone bar. Am i missing much?
Have you ever watched 'Cheers'?
queried
The Player
PearL
Her Benevolence, The BEAST wrote:
> Have you ever watched 'Cheers'?
Yes. But that's tv. I figured most bars in real life werent like that.
Or are they? Not that it matters I guess, as I'm not about to start
frequenting any. I'm more of a 'hang out at the local library' type of
girl, not a 'hang out at the local bar' kind of gal. ; )
Her Benevolence, The BEAST
>
> Her Benevolence, The BEAST wrote:
>> Have you ever watched 'Cheers'?
>
> Yes. But that's tv. I figured most bars in real life werent like that.
> Or are they?
Some are, some aren't -- my point would be that it's
the *people* in the bar that make it a great or terrible
place.
Not that it matters I guess, as I'm not about to start
> frequenting any. I'm more of a 'hang out at the local library' type of
> girl, not a 'hang out at the local bar' kind of gal. ; )
>
That works, too!
smiled
The Player
Her Benevolence, The BEAST
"Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> Kath
> I'm Sorry
>
?
And what am I getting an apology *for*?
asked
The Player
Covenant
"Lilith Bee" <som...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Ah!!!
Cricket as in the DART game ???!!!
Covenant
>
> Lilith Bee wrote:
>> in my little corner of the world, the inner ring of the dart board is
>> worth
>> triple the number hit, what's it called by you? So my first dart tossed
>> would close out my 20s. Make sense?
>
>
> ~PearL
> A girl who's missed a lot of things in life.
Who would miss standing alone in a bar ???
<groan>
Sarah Vaughan
> Lilith Bee wrote:
>> in my little corner of the world, the inner ring of the dart board is worth
>> triple the number hit, what's it called by you? So my first dart tossed
>> would close out my 20s. Make sense?
>
> I've never played darts in my life. In fact, I've never been in a
> *bar*. I've been in restaurants, which have a bar in them, but never
> just a stand alone bar. Am i missing much?
Nothing at all, as long as you have somewhere else to get together with
your friends. (And, quite honestly, most places are better for chatting
to friends than bars, as they're quite noisy. I'd rather relax at home
with a drink.)
Having said that, the local pub is supposedly part of the quintessential
English experience, so when you come over here (you'll notice I'm
thinking positively and refusing to say "if"), I should probably take
you out for a drink in one.
invited
Sarah
--
http://www.goodenoughmummy.typepad.com
"That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be" - P. C. Hodgell
PearL
Sarah Vaughan wrote:
> Nothing at all, as long as you have somewhere else to get together with
> your friends. (And, quite honestly, most places are better for chatting
> to friends than bars, as they're quite noisy.
I agree that there are better places than bars... or clubs... not into
those either. I only live about 3 hours from the NH white mountains,
so we used to do all kinds of mountain/ rock climbing and hiking before
I got sick, but I cant do that anymore, so we do more things like going
out to eat, or to the movies, or just hanging out at home.
>I'd rather relax at home with a drink.)
Strangely enough, I never drink at home just to *relax*. I prefer ice
cream or chocolate to relax. ; ) I will have a drink when I'm out to
eat, or sometimes during the holiday or a party or some other special
occasion, but other than that, I'm not much of a drinker. I hate beer
and wine, which my family finds bizarre. Course, I also hate coffee,
which they also find bizarre. I think I'm adopted. ; )
> Having said that, the local pub is supposedly part of the quintessential
> English experience, so when you come over here (you'll notice I'm
> thinking positively and refusing to say "if"), I should probably take
> you out for a drink in one.
>
> invited
> Sarah
Ooo I ACCEPT !! I refuse to give up on my dream of traveling... I
*will* get to the UK before I die! ahaha ; )
Sarah Vaughan
> Strangely enough, I never drink at home just to *relax*. I prefer ice
> cream or chocolate to relax. ; ) I will have a drink when I'm out to
> eat, or sometimes during the holiday or a party or some other special
> occasion, but other than that, I'm not much of a drinker. I hate beer
> and wine, which my family finds bizarre. Course, I also hate coffee,
> which they also find bizarre. I think I'm adopted. ; )
Oooh - maybe we're twins separated at birth, or something? ;-) I do
drink occasionally at home to relax, but it just isn't something I make
a habit of doing - I'm not someone who's always got a glass in her hand
as part of the evening wind-down. (In fact, although I put it in the
present tense, it's been almost two and a half years now since I had a
drink at home to relax, simply because I didn't drink while pregnant or
breastfeeding and, well, just haven't got around to it since I stopped.
;-) ) And I HATE beer, and I'm not keen on wine at all. On the
occasions when I do drink, it's spirits. (I don't hate coffee, though -
just don't drink it often. For me, it's something to keep myself going
if I'm tired at work, rather than something I drink for fun.)
>> Having said that, the local pub is supposedly part of the quintessential
>> English experience, so when you come over here (you'll notice I'm
>> thinking positively and refusing to say "if"), I should probably take
>> you out for a drink in one.
>>
>> invited
>> Sarah
>
>
> Ooo I ACCEPT !!
Oooooh - goodygoodygoody! <jumps around cheering in delight>
> I refuse to give up on my dream of traveling... I
> *will* get to the UK before I die! ahaha ; )
Damn right! ;-)
All the best,
Lilith Bee
PearL wrote:
>
> I've never played darts in my life. In fact, I've never been in a
> *bar*. I've been in restaurants, which have a bar in them, but never
> just a stand alone bar. Am i missing much?
>
<smiles> my usual & customary dartboard is in my home. ;-) I have been
on leagues and in tournaments which were held in bars; winter leagues
more than summer.
Are you missing much? <shrugs> it all depends on what you're looking
for, <grins>.....I've also been a bartender, and that's a different
perspective. Many places are social gathering places, with it's own
*theme* so to speak. Want to watch a BIG GAME, go to a sports bar for
huge screens & vocal fans. Want to dance, go to the clubs that have the
type of music you like...see? Hotel & airport bars are cool unto
themselves, and local, neighborhood bars are huge FUN!
inmyeversohumbleopinion, of course <winks>
You really don't have to drink alcohol to hang out. <crosses heart> You
might even be surprised at those who drink "virgin screws" & "Virgin
Marys". Heck, I've been known to drink club soda w/ a twist! ;-)
Is there some horrific reason for not visiting one, or just a lack of
opportunity or inclination?
wondered,
LB~
Covenant
"Her Benevolence, The BEAST" <thecast...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:t_Fgg.591$qo4.292@trndny05...
>
> "Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>
>>
>> Kath
>> I'm Sorry
>>
>
>
> ?
>
> And what am I getting an apology *for*?
General Malaise.
Her Benevolence, The BEAST
::raises hand::
I spent YEARS hanging out at a particular bar -- would walk in
& the bartender would have my 'usual' all ready for me:
Tab, no ice, lemon
Yes, these were the years BEFORE Diet Coke!!!!
attested
The Player
PearL
Lilith Bee wrote:
> Is there some horrific reason for not visiting one, or just a lack of
> opportunity or inclination?
I just never felt comfy in that type of setting... not really any
horrific reason behind it. Altho several of the people, who used to
invite me out to such places, liked to get drunk, pick up strange men,
and then take them back to the car for various sexual encounters... so
that turned me off to bars/clubbing as well. I think they only invited
me along as the 'designated driver/babysitter', and being the only
sober person amid of bunch of drunks is *not* fun.
Lilith Bee
Covenant wrote:
> >
> > And what am I getting an apology *for*?
>
>
> General Malaise.
>
You're sick?
from dictionary.com
1. A vague feeling of bodily discomfort, as at the beginning of an
illness.
2. A general sense of depression or unease:
LB~
A woman with never enough time.
Covenant
>
> Covenant wrote:
>
>> >
>> > And what am I getting an apology *for*?
>>
>>
>> General Malaise.
>>
>
> You're sick?
So I've been told.
Lilith Bee
"PearL" <bstn...@aol.com> wrote
>
>
> I just never felt comfy in that type of setting... not really any
> horrific reason behind it. Altho several of the people, who used to
> invite me out to such places, liked to get drunk, pick up strange men,
> and then take them back to the car for various sexual encounters...
Yikes, that *is* kind of horrific, <shudders>
chilled
LB~
PearL
Lilith Bee wrote:
> Covenant wrote:
> > General Malaise.
> >
>
> You're sick?
>
> from dictionary.com
>
> 1. A vague feeling of bodily discomfort, as at the beginning of an
> illness.
> 2. A general sense of depression or unease:
lol That's what I thought when i first read *malaise*.