Re: Should psychiatrists believe in God ?
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> So Bert sees the psychiatrist and tells the chap
> that he's 'hearing voices', and that it's telling him to do stuff'.
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> But it's ok, because the chap talking to him is God !
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> Now our psychiastrist is a litteral Bible believer.
> 'Man popped into existence a few thousand years ago.
> God told prophets to do stuff...'
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> So how can one cure the other when both are delusional ?
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> Hasn't psychiatry got a big hole in it called religion ?
"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me,
'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.'
And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George
go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
"Now again. I feel God's words coming to me:
'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the
Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.'
And by God, I'm gonna do it."
-- George W. Bush, June 2003
Blue
Well he would see American psychiatrists and as I understand
it they would either agree with him or make him pray harder.
Them being chosen by the patient unlike the state NHS psychiatrists I had in mind.
But yes, it's a good reason to look at the American system rather than adopt it.
--
Blue
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Blair: 'God will be my judge on Iraq'
By Andy McSmith
Saturday, 4 March 2006
Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send
British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.
Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the
Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his
Christianity.
Peter Mandelson, one of Mr Blair's confidants, claimed that the former
premier "takes a Bible with him wherever he goes" and habitually reads it
last thing at night.
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Prime Minister Tony Blair has told how he prayed to God when deciding
whether or not to send UK troops to Iraq.
Mr Blair answered "yes" when asked on ITV1 chat show Parkinson - to be
screened on Saturday - if he had sought holy intervention on the issue.
"Of course, you struggle with your own conscience about it... and it's one
of these situations that, I suppose, very few people ever find themselves
in."
Anti-war campaigners attacked Mr Blair's comments as "a joke".
Mr Blair told show host Michael Parkinson: "In the end, there is a judgement
that, I think if you have faith about these things, you realise that
judgement is made by other people... and if you believe in God, it's made by
God as well."
"When you're faced with a decision like that, some of those decisions have
been very, very difficult, most of all because you know these are people's
lives and, in some case, their deaths.
Politics is very hard to have a friendship in
Tony Blair
"The only way you can take a decision like that is to do the right thing
according to your conscience."
Anti-war campaigner Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon died in Basra in 2004,
said: "A good Christian wouldn't be for this war.
"I'm actually quite disgusted by the comments. It's a joke."
Dr Evan Harris, a Liberal Democrat MP and honorary associate of the National
Secular Society, said the comments were "bizarre" and warned against
politicians making "references to deity" in public life.
On the show, Mr Blair also talks about his most embarrassing prime
ministerial moment.
When giving a press conference in France, he was asked if there were any
French policies he would like to imitate.
Mr Blair, trying to answer in French, replied: "I desire your prime minister
in many different positions."
Avoiding answers
Asked if he would serve a full term as prime minister, he said he was
"getting on" with a busy programme and it had to be judged according to the
work he had to do, rather than the time.
"If I sound embarrassed answering these questions it's because I've spent so
long trying to avoid answering them," he said.
He was also asked about his relationship with Gordon Brown.
Parkinson said: "The trouble is, prime minister, you keep saying, 'Gordon
and I are good pals' but no-one believes you."
Mr Blair answered: "Yeah, but politics is very hard to have a friendship
in...
"There is only one top job and it's not an ignoble ambition to want it, so
there's all those difficulties there.
Cannabis incident
"People have written that we are about to fall out drastically and go for
each other for years and years and years, and whatever the difficulties,
it's still a good partnership and one I'm very proud of.
"I'm proud to call him a friend and I always will be."
Elsewhere in the interview, Mr Blair recalled Labour's 1997 election
victory. "People used to like me then," he said.
Mr Blair also talks about the first time his father-in-law, actor Tony
Booth, - an old friend of Parkinson - visited his home after he and wife
Cherie had married.
Mr Booth had asked if he could light a cannabis joint, Mr Blair said.
"I was thinking this is my father-in-law, surely this should be the other
way around.
"I said no, incidentally."
Day Brown
we begin with the Greeks. Its worth noting that none of the Greek
philsophers we still read were atheist. Many composed rebuttals to what
they regarded as the sophistry of atheists.
But- none of them claimed god spoke to him, nor is there any evidence to
suggest they believed god spoke to any of those who claimed he did. More
in line with where they were coming from is Lucretius, "On the nature of
the Universe", which if you read, you will find he believes in a
monotheistic goddess, which he calls 'Venus', but everyone back then
knew it wasnt a big deal, unlike later, on just what the name was.
Psychiatrists would be more effective if they believed in, and supported
a faith in, the Goddess. The Great Earth Mother, aka Gaia, Venus, Hera,
Juno, Demeter, Sophia, Brigit, Astarte, etc. The list of names is
extensive, but nobody ever used one as justification for war much less
genocide.
Joseph Campbell, for one, using the iconography found by archeology and
the etymological computer analysis of Indo-European vocabularies to
extract the original Aryan, and tying that in with snippets of myth that
persisted in obscure rural locations, reconstructed the cosmology which
fits very well with evolution and quantum physics. To wit:
The original, primal substance was Chaos. Not god. But as anyone who
knows random number theory knows, eventually you get a self-replicating
sequence, aka Gaia. Moreover, Gaia, being alive, was not fixed, but
affected still by Chaos and so She changed, ie, EVOLVED.
Upon achieving sentience, She differentiated Herself from the physical
world, aka Maya. 7000 years ago we begin to see the iconography of what
we now know is Chaos, Gaia, and Maya... dancing. The original trinity.
Campbell is very clear; Gaia was parthenogenic, and gives birth to all
life, which is what Lucretius says, but like any other natural mother,
She does not have a 'divine plan', but rather sets Her children free to
fulfill their own destiny.
He's also clear, that the world is therefore sacred, not profane, and
sex is good, not evil. I could go on, but lets' take it from here and
consider the effect on personal feelings and neurotic denial about sex.
Christian guilt tripping about sex is history. What does that do to your
treatment models?