signs of serial killer
Bernadette Pelletier
killer. What are some of these signs in kids, adults? What have various
killers said when asked why they kill? Thanks in advance.
Bernadette
KasandraL
In answer to your question, I think a common thread in a serial killer's
history has proven to be child abuse they suffered while young as well as a
tendency to torture, or be especially cruel, to animals. Of course, what makes
it so hard to pinpoint is that while these charachteristics are often present
in a serial killer's history, it certainly does not mean ALL kids that are
abused grow up to be serial killers; in fact, quite the opposite....most do
very well. Nor does it mean that every kid who has ever been mean to a cat
will grow up to be a serial killer either; I'm referring to SEVERE, consistent
torturing.
Kassie
Bill E Symolon
humans.
Bernadette Pelletier wrote in message
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Nicky
often be loners .. preferring their own company .. often writing a lot ..
possibly disturbing verse .. often prone to excessive masturbation .. not so
great at communication ..
But then, most kids go through phases of all of the above .. :o|
FabcomDR2
in most major book stores sections on crime. Dougals is a retired FBI agent
who invented the FBI's Investigative Support Unit (the unit that does
profiling). The book discusses profiling of violent criminals, discusses some
interesting case histories, and also has some discussion about what leads a
person towards becoming a violent criminal. He has two other books out,
Journey Into The Darkness and Obsession which I also would recommend.
-FabcomDR2
Nathan Consedine
The "Mindhunter" books are good, but I don't think they represent the
best application/illustration of forensic SCIENCE. Having read
Douglas's books, I think that the English "versions" by David Cantor are
better. Criminal shadows I think it's called.
As to the previous posts, explaining a behaviour as complex as serial
offending through resort to distal influences like the classic triad of
bedwetting (nocturnal eneuresis), cruelty to animals, and starting fires
is of limited explanatory power. You might also want to consider some
of the 'maintainance' factors in serial offending at a broader level . .
. The trouble with information gleaned from self-report measures of
incarcerated offenders is that the sample may well be deceptively
biased. Put bluntly, you've only measured the stupid offenders. I
suppose the other comment is that there is no particularly good reason
to presuppose that the motivations or influences are normative (the same
for all). Why should they be?
Best
Nathan
Roger0004
up with some answers. I tend to think that head injury may be cause. I have
read it somewhere that lots of serial killers or violent offenders have
suffered childhood head trauma. I think head injury must've damaged the pre
frontal love (Adrian Rean's research) and may somehow made the serial killers
less paranoid and more of a killer. What do you think?
As far as head injury is concerned some interesting stories are out there where
common people completely changed after suffering injury to the head. Lots of
symptoms that occur after a head injury seem to coincide with the symptoms
shown by serial killers or violent offenders. As for the pre frontal lobe
connection and lack of paranoia, I am being creative here and that is
completely my idea and you may disagree. Opinions?
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murders [Dahlmer, Berkowitz] practised animal torture. Some [Bundy, Manson]
lacked a strong father figure. Gacy and Berkowitz were both paranoid
schizophrenics. Autopsy revealed that Charles Whitman had a tumor in his
limbic system. The only thing that comes close to a unifying characteristic
is that 98% [more or less] of them are white heterosexual males.
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Sir:
You indulge the politician's abuse of the terms white, heterosexual,
and male.
White -- A term that has been corrupted by "mad hatters" to mean
anything that they want it to mean. The original meaning was a crude
reference to northern Europeans. It now includes people as genetically
diverse as:
1) 6'6", 250lb, blond haired, blue iris, fair skinned
Norwegians and Swedes
2) 5'9", 170lb, black haired, brown iris, brown skinned Basques
3) 5'6", 150lb, black kinky haired, maroon iris, Moors
4) 5'5", 140lb, black haired, black iris, olive skinned
Sicilians
5) certain Semites from North Africa and the Near East
These are only the visible genetic differences, but they are
screaming symptoms of widely diverse cultures and social conditioning.
Heterosexual -- A term that has been corrupted by agenda to mean
anything not homosexual. The original meaning was a mature, civilized,
socialized, person who was attracted to passionate intimacies with
others who were similar, but of the opposite sex. Now pedophiles,
necrophiles, beastially dysfunctional, etc., are included for social
engineering purposes.
Male -- Here, I could best serve you by referring you to any volume
exposing vertebrate embryology. There you will learn that all
vertebrates begin life as females, a genetic trigger re "organizes"
females into males, and the hormonal bath that they endure during
gestation quite often has greater consequences than any social
conditioning. The culprit here is the mother.
Please remember that this discipline enables you to transcend laic
bias. Do not corrupt the knowledge, and degrade yourself, by using it
to support ignorance.
Regards,
A. Lukin, Ph.D.
Bernadette Pelletier
evidence.
BP
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>>More than likely, there isn't ONE cause that can be pinpointed. Some
serial
>>murders [Dahlmer, Berkowitz] practised animal torture. Some [Bundy,
>Manson]
>>lacked a strong father figure. Gacy and Berkowitz were both paranoid
>>schizophrenics. Autopsy revealed that Charles Whitman had a tumor in his
>>limbic system. The only thing that comes close to a unifying
characteristic
>>is that 98% [more or less] of them are white heterosexual males.
>>
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>Not true. Dahmer did not torture anumal and nether did Berkowitz. Bundy may
>have lacked a strong father (what's that) but Manson was an addict. Gacy
wasn't
>schizo but did suffer major head injury and a little epileptic, Berkowitz
lied
>about being schizo (to get lenient sentence) and later admitted to the lie,
you
>are right about Whitman though (the tumor part). As for your generalization
>about serial killers being white, I disagree. However, if you want to bring
>race into it then I have to bring genetics as well. Maybe there was a
>particular race and that got mixed with whites? You want to guess? You can
>start with observing physical/ facial characteristics. Some of the serial
>killers do look a little strange and you may question about their genetic/
>ethnic origin. There used to be a race called Sami. Do you think they might
be
>responsible?
>
Roger0004
KasandraL
Yes, Dahmer did in fact torture animals. He was known to decapitate cats. Of
course, a tendency toward a common behavior does not mean that ALL serial
killers will share that same characteristic. That's what is baffling about the
entire topic...it's VERY difficult to pinpoint any one specific trait to EVERY
serial killer.
I think an underlying pattern is that they truly believe they will continue to
outsmart the public....a delusional concept. But the argument could be made
that some of them WANT to be caught unconsciously.
Aside from all of that, serial killers are a rare phenomenon. So it would
appear that if it could be as simple as mental illness, child abuse, animal
torture, lack of father figure etc...there would be a much larger percentage of
serial killers out there than there is. These are common characteristics, but
it has to go a lot deeper. Some contributing factor (environmental or genetic
or combination of both) that slips these guys (yes, the majority are men, how
many serial killers are women?) completely over the edge? The human psyche at
its worst.
Roger0004
>
>>Not true. Dahmer did not torture anumal
>
>
>Yes, Dahmer did in fact torture animals. He was known to decapitate cats.
>Of
>course, a tendency toward a common behavior does not mean that ALL serial
Dahmer did not torture animals. He did show fascination about bones and as a
child he used chemicals to remove flesh from bones of dead animals. I believe
he found some dog or something and used some acid to get to the bones. He seems
to be a classic necrophiliac. As far as head injury, nobody knows. Most of the
info about Dahmer is gained from a book written by his father Lionel Dahmer. He
also suffered double hernia and had some difficulty during his birth. I have no
idea about his ethnic heritage, like where did his grand parents came from etc?
Does anyone know? Dhamer's necrophila also showed a type of glorification and
involvement with the dead body. He was not interested about the live ones and
therefore he killed his victims with drugs or whatever and once they are dead
he would start his thing. It is more like after the fact thing and he was not a
sadist. What causes necrophilia? Is that genetic? Can it be tied to head
injury? These are the questions that need to be answered. Too bad he is dead.
Ed Kemper is alive, I believe. I would like to see him go through some type of
treatment for his necrophila though.