Ann Landers and the Personality of Engineers
Jon Noring
This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column. It makes for
a fascinating personality study. Of course, engineers span the rainbow of
personality types, but I do believe that the percentages of the various types
are substantially skewed from the general population. I'm also a mechanical
engineer by training, so I have a personal interest in this for that reason.
I would assert that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
engineers is ISTJ, and for Ph.D. engineers it is INT* (masters level may be
closer to a mix of both). I haven't seen any real statistics on this,
however, so if anybody has such stats, please share them here.
BTW, this is cross-posted to sci.engr, so the previous paragraph may be
undecipherable to the readers there. If so, contact me and I'll e-mail to
you personality type summary, which explains what all these letter acronyms
mean.
Enjoy.
Jon Noring
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Dear Ann Landers:
This letter, my first ever to a columnist, was sparked by your column about
the engineer's wife who asked, "Are engineers really different?" The answer
is _absolutely_!"
My father was an engineer. My three brothers and four uncles are engineers.
Engineers _are_ a different breed. They are precise, logical and great at
problem solving, but they know very little about human interaction. My
engineer husband makes a fine living, but when it comes to expressing
emotions, on a scale of 10, he's about a 4. -- A Wife in Houston
Dear Houston:
I've been swamped with letters from wives, daughters, husbands, mothers and
sisters of engineers. They've given me a real education. Read on:
From Tuscon, AZ: Engineers _are_ different. My engineer husband (graduate
of MIT) tells me when my skirt is 1/8-inch shorter in the back. If the tile
floor in the bathroom looks uneven, he gets out a tape measure for "proof".
A crooked window shade must be adjusted at once. If, however, I am crawling
around the house with a killer migraine, he doesn't notice.
Santa Barbara: My husband, the engineer, has no tolerance for the gray areas
of life. He sees everything in absolutes. It's black or white, right or
wrong, yes or no. Never a maybe. He feels no joy, but he is never depressed
either. Everything must be in perfect order, or there is hell to pay. It is
not easy to live with such a man.
Chicago: My wife is an engineer. She is precise, analytical and definite
in her views, and she always thinks before she speaks. She's as cold as ice
and so sure of herself she makes me sick. My next wife will probably be an
empty-headed, bubbly moron, and it will be a relief.
Carbondale, IL: You're darned right engineers are different. I am still
happily married to mine after 35 years. They tend to look before they leap
and have stable marriages. By nature, they are problem solvers, sensitive
and caring. The woman who wrote to complain ended up with the wrong man, not
the wrong profession.
No City, Please: Thirty years ago, I married an engineer. Our marriage was
an emotional wasteland. He would have been a better father if our children
had been robots he could program. Engineers can figure out everything except
how to be human and caring.
Durham, NC: My husband is an optician and hates waiting on engineers. They
tell him how many half millimeters their lenses are off just by looking at
them and then demand a remake.
St. Paul: I'm an interior designer by profession. Engineers _are_ different.
When I get a client who takes two months to buy a piece of carpet because he
has to research how it was made and figure out how long it will last, I know
he's an engineer. The world needs perfectionists, but engineers are murder
to work with.
Indianapolis: My engineer husband doesn't send me flowers. In fact, some
days, we don't even have a decent conversation, but I'll take this nerdy-
looking guy with his assortment of pens and eyeglass cases in his shirt
pocket, his dull tie and wrinkled trousers, over any of the men I've ever
known. He is loyal, decent, dependable and real. He'll never cheat or lie
to me. That's worth a lot these days.
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Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is.
D. Steven Barker
: Hello,
: This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column. It makes for
: a fascinating personality study. Of course, engineers span the rainbow of
: personality types, but I do believe that the percentages of the various types
: are substantially skewed from the general population. I'm also a mechanical
: engineer by training, so I have a personal interest in this for that reason.
: I would assert that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
: engineers is ISTJ, and for Ph.D. engineers it is INT* (masters level may be
: closer to a mix of both). I haven't seen any real statistics on this,
: however, so if anybody has such stats, please share them here.
Here is a sample of 2188 Engineering students from _Gifts Differing_ page 41.
Approximate
Percent of 2,188 Engineering
Students of Each MBTI Type
T F F T
+-----+-----+-----+-----+
I | 10 | 4 | 5 | 14 | J
+-----+-----+-----+-----+
I | 2 | 2 | 5 | 9 | P
+-----+-----+-----+-----+
E | 3 | 1 | 6 | 7 | P
+-----+-----+-----+-----+
E | 9 | 3 | 6 | 13 | J
+-----+-----+-----+-----+
S S N N
Example: Approximately 14%
of the 2188 Engineering students
tested as INTJ's.
%
E/I 49/51
S/N 35/65
T/F 67/33
J/P 65/35
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -^- XX
Steve Barker - Hughes Space & Com - Torrance, CA / o o \
I don't know where I got this ISTJ personality, but < o >
as soon as I find the address, I'm sending it back. \\_//
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX---XXX
Joe Butt
My experience at Ga. Tech. (1968-71) convinced me that engineers are
different, especially when <.5% are female. The tenor of the campus was
what one would expect of 10,000 mostly introverted thinking males. When I
transferred to U. Tenn., a campus of 25,000, it was like coming home.
In less drastic proportions, there are many vital roles for intuitive
thinkers. It's our statistically small numbers in society as a whole that
illustrates our exceptional abilities, but they are not without the
downside.
So what's the integral of cabin dcabin?? (A little engineering humor,
for the uninitiated)
--Joe
Joe Butt -- jab...@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
*****
Jon Noring
>Jon Noring (nor...@netcom.com) wrote:
>> I would assert that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
>> engineers is ISTJ, and for Ph.D. engineers it is INT* (masters level may be
>> closer to a mix of both). I haven't seen any real statistics on this,
>> however, so if anybody has such stats, please share them here.
>Here is a sample of 2188 Engineering students from _Gifts Differing_ page 41.
>
> Approximate
>Percent of 2,188 Engineering
>Students of Each MBTI Type
> T F F T
> +-----+-----+-----+-----+
>I | 10 | 4 | 5 | 14 | J
> +-----+-----+-----+-----+
>I | 2 | 2 | 5 | 9 | P
> +-----+-----+-----+-----+
>E | 3 | 1 | 6 | 7 | P
> +-----+-----+-----+-----+
>E | 9 | 3 | 6 | 13 | J
> +-----+-----+-----+-----+
> S S N N
Using the Keirsey and Bates percentages for the general population (which
are subject to much debate), where 25% are I, 25% are N, 50% are T, and
50% are J, we can put together the following table like above:
T F F T
+-----+-----+-----+-----+
I | 5 | 5 | 2 | 2 | J
+-----+-----+-----+-----+
I | 5 | 5 | 2 | 2 | P
+-----+-----+-----+-----+ (Note: The percentages don't add up
E | 14 | 14 | 5 | 5 | P to 100 because of round off
+-----+-----+-----+-----+ errors.)
E | 14 | 14 | 5 | 5 | J
+-----+-----+-----+-----+
S S N N
By comparing the two charts, it is clear that engineers are much more
intuitive and thinking oriented compared to the general population. My
original thesis that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
engineers is ISTJ, cannot be discerned since we need to know which among
this sample went on to do graduate study.
The most dominant types are the ENTJ+INTJ categories, which summed together
are 27% for the engineers versus 7% for the general population. This
is followed by ISTJ, which is 10% for engineers and 5% for the general
population.
> %
>E/I 49/51
>S/N 35/65
>T/F 67/33
>J/P 65/35
Thanks for posting this. More food for thought.
Jon Noring
b.reaves@ieee.org Ben Reaves
>
>This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column.
>From Tuscon, AZ: Engineers _are_ different. My engineer husband ...
>Santa Barbara: My husband, the engineer,...
>Chicago: My wife is an engineer....
>Carbondale, IL: ...I am still happily married to mine after 35 years....
>No City, Please: Thirty years ago, I married an engineer....
>Indianapolis: My engineer husband doesn't send me flowers....
The wife of my (Engineer) lab TA said that she and her girlfriends
always liked Engineers for serious boyfriends in part because they were
a good balance between money-making potential and aggressiveness.
Then about a year after graduating, I saw an article written by a
woman in the Silicon Valley area, recently divorced from her Engineer
husband basically because he was so involved with his work and his new
startup company that he had no time for the family.
Hey, if you balance it right, you're OK. But just don't get lopsided..
. ====== Ben Reaves =========== b...@stl.research.panasonic.com =======
. ====== the above is not the official position of my employer =======
--
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====== Ben Reaves =========== b...@stl.research.panasonic.com =======
====== the above is not the official position of my employer =======
Jon Rowlands
Butt writes:
> So what's the integral of cabin dcabin?? (A little engineering humor,
>for the uninitiated)
This is a trap, isn't it? You really know you mean integral
of 1/cabin dcabin, and you're waiting for some hapless
engineer to "correct" you so you can analy-compartmentalize
their personality to smitheroonies. Well, it's not going to
work this time, my good man, no siree.
Oh.
Damn.
--
Jon Rowlands email: rowl...@hc.ti.com
ps: don't forget the + constant, although syntactically it's
not funny at all.
Joe Butt
} In article <1993Sep14.0...@ornl.gov>, <jab...@sacam.oren.ortn.edu> Joe
} Butt writes:
} > So what's the integral of cabin dcabin?? (A little engineering humor,
} >for the uninitiated)
} This is a trap, isn't it? You really know you mean integral
} of 1/cabin dcabin, and you're waiting for some hapless
} engineer to "correct" you so you can analy-compartmentalize
} their personality to smitheroonies. Well, it's not going to
} work this time, my good man, no siree.
} Oh.
} Damn.
"Look Wilma! We got another one!" Actually, I forgot the line. (I
haven't done calculus in about 22 years, and I'm a little rusty.)
Remembered that it was 1/cabin about ten minutes later, but I was offline
and it was late. It *would* have been a good ploy, if I'd thought of it.
} --
} Jon Rowlands email: rowl...@hc.ti.com
} ps: don't forget the + constant, although syntactically it's
} not funny at all.
I thought the answer I heard (houseboat) was funny, but if you've heard
it a few times I guess it gets a little lame.
--JAB
Joe Butt -- jab...@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
*****
Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their
labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to
him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him
up. Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one
be warm alone? And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand
him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. --Solomon
Steve Czarnecki
>Hello,
>
>This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column. It makes for
>a fascinating personality study. Of course, engineers span the rainbow of
>personality types, but I do believe that the percentages of the various types
>are substantially skewed from the general population. I'm also a mechanical
>engineer by training, so I have a personal interest in this for that reason.
>
>
Nothing so deep to report as engineers and MBTI, but instead offer this
anecdote.
I am an electrical engineer; last year I flew to Toledo, OH to attend a
training seminar on the topic of engineering program accreditation,
being held in conjunction with a convention of an organization of
engineering educators. At Toledo, I noticed a number of people milling
about waiting for the shuttle bus to the convention site. They
obviously were convention attendees who had flocked to this spot from
the four corners of the country.
There was something very odd about this group, I noticed. With a
shudder, I realized that nearly every man in the group was dressed the
same way as I was: in the engineering dress casual uniform of short
sleeved plaid shirt and khaki pants.
Since then, I've observed other cases of engineers in casual settings, and
I submit that male engineers in their mid 30s and up take to plaid
shirts like bears to honey. Check it out, you'll be amazed to see it's
true!
Steve Czarnecki
P.S. I've since sworn off plaid shirts. It's a struggle, but I take it
one day at a time :-)
Duncan W. Mills
misc deletia ....
|>
|> Since then, I've observed other cases of engineers in casual settings, and
|> I submit that male engineers in their mid 30s and up take to plaid
|> shirts like bears to honey. Check it out, you'll be amazed to see it's
|> true!
|>
|> Steve Czarnecki
|>
|> P.S. I've since sworn off plaid shirts. It's a struggle, but I take it
|> one day at a time :-)
Oh yeah?
I'm a 36-year old EE and I do not own a single plaid shirt, and I
never have. So take THAT! ;=)
Duncan Mills
Duncan W. Mills
Look you guys, if this is all you can talk about why not log off, OK?
Joe Butt
[interesting anecdote deleted]
} P.S. I've since sworn off plaid shirts. It's a struggle, but I take it
} one day at a time :-)
Good job, Steve. Group, let's here it for Steve. We've all been there.
We're with you. :-)
--Joe
Joe Butt -- jab...@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
*****
"Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the
only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor."
-- Wernher von Braun
KIMBERLY MURPHY
>Hello,
>
>This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column. It makes for
>a fascinating personality study. Of course, engineers span the rainbow of
>personality types, but I do believe that the percentages of the various types
>are substantially skewed from the general population. I'm also a mechanical
>engineer by training, so I have a personal interest in this for that reason.
>
>I would assert that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
>engineers is ISTJ, and for Ph.D. engineers it is INT* (masters level may be
>closer to a mix of both). I haven't seen any real statistics on this,
>however, so if anybody has such stats, please share them here.
>
Jon,
When they did the Myer Briggs Test where I work, the STJ part fit the
engineers, but as for the E or I, it was pretty decisively on the E side.
The engineers taking the test consisted of primarily chemical engineers (
myself included) and a scattering of mechanical and electical engineers.
All with a Bachelors degree and the majority in the work force less than 10
years.
However, I must admit that engineers have a "distinct" sense of humor.
Kim
Tim Premack
Christopher B Council
I was just reading about the personality types of engineers, and
I saw the table indicating which types are most common. I had
the vague feeling I'd seen it before, so I checked up on my suspicion,
and here's the results:
Engineers: Lawyers:
INTJ 14 ISTJ 17.8
ENTJ 13 INTJ 13.1
ISTJ 10 ESTJ 10.3
ESTJ 9 ENTP 9.7
INTP 9 INTP 9.4
ENTP 7 ENTJ 9.0
The same types -- *All* the TJ types, with the NTPs making up
a sizable minority. But all the TJs, and all the NTs are
represented very well in these fields... which is just what
you'd expect. More evidence for the usefulness (and accuracy)
of the MBTI, at least for a large population... :-)
I wonder if anyone has a chart for computer science? I bet
you'd find a similar breakdown, but with the NPs nearer the
tops of that chart...
- Chris (ENTP)
John Grohol
>>Hello,
>>
>>This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column. It makes for
>>a fascinating personality study. Of course, engineers span the rainbow of
>>personality types, but I do believe that the percentages of the various types
>>are substantially skewed from the general population. I'm also a mechanical
>>engineer by training, so I have a personal interest in this for that reason.
>>
>>I would assert that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
>>engineers is ISTJ, and for Ph.D. engineers it is INT* (masters level may be
>>closer to a mix of both). I haven't seen any real statistics on this,
>>however, so if anybody has such stats, please share them here.
What is the *point* of your assertion here?
Is this what Myers & Briggs wanted the test to be for, the guessing of
types of people who write into "Dear Abby" or Ann Landers?
Is this supposed to be some sort of *game*?
Gee, and you wonder why professionals have problems with the lay public
getting a hold of psychological assessment measures.
-jmg
--
John M. Grohol, M.S.
Center for Psychological Studies
Nova University, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
gro...@alpha.acast.nova.edu, gro...@psy.psych.nova.edu
Andrew Ford
> nor...@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
[...]
>
> The wife of my (Engineer) lab TA said that she and her girlfriends
> always liked Engineers for serious boyfriends in part because they were
> a good balance between money-making potential and aggressiveness.
>
> Then about a year after graduating, I saw an article written by a
> woman in the Silicon Valley area, recently divorced from her Engineer
> husband basically because he was so involved with his work and his new
> startup company that he had no time for the family.
>
> Hey, if you balance it right, you're OK. But just don't get lopsided..
It must maybe that the "lopsided" husband didn't "loose his marriage for
being to involved in his job." It may be that he "lost interest in his
marriage" and deliberately spent more time at his job - to the point that
she got sick of it and left him. Very neat, clean. "Your honor, I'm
working hard to provide for my family and she just up and left cuz no matter
what I do, it isn't enought." - bound to get you lower childcare/alimony
than "I'm sick of this b**** and I'm leaving!"
This would in fact be very consistent, IMHO, with how an IN?? would prefer
to deal with such a confrontation: let the other person initiate and go
along quietly -- minimal confrontation and you aren't asked to explain your
reasons.
--
Most people seem to think that trampling individual rights is OK if it is
"for the good of society as a whole." However, society is but a large number
of individuals, and how can harming the individual parts better the whole?
- Andrew Ford -- fo...@agcs.com -- (a strong INFP [>75% in all 4])
Joe Butt
} >In article <noringCD...@netcom.com> nor...@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
} >>Hello,
} >>
} >>This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column. It makes for
} >>a fascinating personality study. Of course, engineers span the rainbow of
} >>personality types, but I do believe that the percentages of the various types
} >>are substantially skewed from the general population. I'm also a mechanical
} >>engineer by training, so I have a personal interest in this for that reason.
} >>
} >>I would assert that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
} >>engineers is ISTJ, and for Ph.D. engineers it is INT* (masters level may be
} >>closer to a mix of both). I haven't seen any real statistics on this,
} >>however, so if anybody has such stats, please share them here.
} What is the *point* of your assertion here?
} Is this what Myers & Briggs wanted the test to be for, the guessing of
} types of people who write into "Dear Abby" or Ann Landers?
} Is this supposed to be some sort of *game*?
} Gee, and you wonder why professionals have problems with the lay public
} getting a hold of psychological assessment measures.
Mr. Grohol makes assertions that members of this group are 'abusing' the
MBTI. One might believe from this and *some* of his other posts that he
may be defending the test. Au contraire--please see the following article
from a thread still available on alt.psychology.personality:
******************
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.psychology,alt.psychology.personality
From: gro...@alpha.acast.nova.edu (John Grohol)
Subject: Re: What's an INTP? (was: Interesting Statistics)
Message-ID: <grohol.746381520@alpha>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 16:12:00 GMT
The point is that the MBTI is no better at predicting future behavior than
chance alone (which would make you right 50% of the time). You'd be better
off guessing than using the MBTI.
--
John M. Grohol, M.S.
Center for Psychological Studies
Nova University, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
gro...@alpha.acast.nova.edu, gro...@psy.psych.nova.edu
************
Out of context? Just browse his articles in a.p.p or sci.psychology and a
his modus operandi should be clear.
I've set the follow-up to alt.psychology.personality. Apologies for
bringing this 3 month flame war to sci.engr.
--JAB
Joe Butt -- jab...@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
*****
Time is the warp and matter the weft of the woven texture of beauty in
space, and death is the hurtling shuttle.
--Annie Dillard, _Pilgrim at Tinker Creek_
Marina Margaret Heiss
John Grohol <gro...@alpha.acast.nova.edu> wrote:
>>In article <noringCD...@netcom.com>nor...@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>>This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column. It makes for
>>>a fascinating personality study. Of course, engineers span the rainbow of
>>>personality types, but I do believe that the percentages of the various types
>>>are substantially skewed from the general population. I'm also a mechanical
>>>engineer by training, so I have a personal interest in this for that reason.
>>>
>>>I would assert that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
>>>engineers is ISTJ, and for Ph.D. engineers it is INT* (masters level may be
>>>closer to a mix of both). I haven't seen any real statistics on this,
>>>however, so if anybody has such stats, please share them here.
>
>What is the *point* of your assertion here?
>
>Is this what Myers & Briggs wanted the test to be for, the guessing of
>types of people who write into "Dear Abby" or Ann Landers?
The MBTI *was* intended and *is* used for career counseling and resolving
workplace issues; hence the relevance of exploring how different professions
break down in terms of type. And in certain contexts, I could even see the
validity of wanting to know which types are likely to write to advice columns.
>Is this supposed to be some sort of *game*?
Call it intellectual curiosity.
>Gee, and you wonder why professionals have problems with the lay public
>getting a hold of psychological assessment measures.
Yes, I do -- at least in the case of the MBTI; since it only describes the
normal population and the 16 types are completely nonpejorative in nature,
I can't see that even relatively uninformed "labelling" (which, believe it
or not, many of us laymen are careful to avoid) would be destructive in any
way. And if accuracy as a matter of principle is your overriding concern in
life, a bunch of amateurs "playing games" with Myers-Briggs should be the least
of your worries.
Marina Heiss (INTJ)
--
(NOTE: Net news is erratic at my site at the moment; anyone wanting to respond
to one of my posts may want use e-mail in addition to or instead of followups.)
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Frank Fujita
>John Grohol (gro...@alpha.acast.nova.edu) wrote:
>} Is this supposed to be some sort of *game*?
>} Gee, and you wonder why professionals have problems with the lay public
>} getting a hold of psychological assessment measures.
>Mr. Grohol makes assertions that members of this group are 'abusing' the
>MBTI. One might believe from this and *some* of his other posts that he
>may be defending the test. Au contraire--please see the following article
>from a thread still available on alt.psychology.personality:
I think I have to agree with Joe here. John can't have it both ways.
If the MBTI is just like astrology, then there is no reason for a
scientist to be upset with lay people mis-using it.
On the other hand, if the MBTI is a valid description of human
personality variance -- *and* -- Mislabeling someone could adversly
impact that person, then we should take care to not mislabel anyone.
Frank Fujita
Alexander K. Lin
irresponsible, I give good ideas, but those ideas are only accepted by a
few people. What should I major in?
Jon Noring
>>In article nor...@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>>This morning I saw the following letter in Ann Landers column. It makes for
>>>a fascinating personality study. Of course, engineers span the rainbow of
>>>personality types, but I do believe that the percentages of the various types
>>>are substantially skewed from the general population. I'm also a mechanical
>>>engineer by training, so I have a personal interest in this for that reason.
>>>
>>>I would assert that the dominant personality type among bachelors level
>>>engineers is ISTJ, and for Ph.D. engineers it is INT* (masters level may be
>>>closer to a mix of both). I haven't seen any real statistics on this,
>>>however, so if anybody has such stats, please share them here.
>What is the *point* of your assertion here?
Does *everything* have to have an obvious utility?
>Is this what Myers & Briggs wanted the test to be for, the guessing of
>types of people who write into "Dear Abby" or Ann Landers?
Yes, it's one of them. And this point is a non-argument as far as I'm
concerned. I'm PROUD to use it that way.
>Is this supposed to be some sort of *game*?
I guess so. So what?
>Gee, and you wonder why professionals have problems with the lay public
>getting a hold of psychological assessment measures.
Is life that damn serious to you? Why don't you smile sometimes?
Jon
John J. Ladasky II
Hmmm. I'd also like to see a breakdown of the population at
large, and a breakdown of the *male* population at large. In order
to demonstrate that these types are sufficiently predictive, we must
first demonstrate that the types listed above are at variance with
these more general samples. I'm reasonably confident that the types
and frequencies listed are at considerable variance with those of
the general public, but I'm not so sure about finding a variance
from the male public -- since, after all, all the professions you
list are dominated by men.
>- Chris (ENTP)
= John {XNTX}
--
== John J. Ladasky II ("ii") ========================== lad...@netcom.COM ==
"If you're going to die, you might as well do it in New Orleans." - Andrei
Codrescu
"A man w/o charity in his heart - what has he to do with music?" - Confucius
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Ajit K. Nair
What do INTJ,ENTJ etc etc stand for?
>Engineers: Lawyers:
>
>INTJ 14 ISTJ 17.8
>ENTJ 13 INTJ 13.1
>ISTJ 10 ESTJ 10.3
>ESTJ 9 ENTP 9.7
>INTP 9 INTP 9.4
>ENTP 7 ENTJ 9.0
I had skipped the first few articles on this thread so I am not sure if some one had explained it.
Ajit Nair
Timothy A. Melton
cabin^2/2 +c
Whats the integral of 1/cabin dcabin ? ;)
>
>--Joe
>
>Joe Butt -- jab...@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
>*****
--
Timothy A Melton University of Oklahoma
Gradual Student Department of Chemical Engineering
st...@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu or st...@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu!tims386.uucp
Andrew Ford
! Steve Czarnecki (cz...@owgvm3.VNET.IBM.COM) wrote:
!
! [interesting anecdote deleted]
!
! } P.S. I've since sworn off plaid shirts. It's a struggle, but I take it
! } one day at a time :-)
!
! Good job, Steve. Group, let's here it for Steve. We've all been there.
! We're with you. :-)
!
Sorry Joe, 'never been there. Personally, I find plaid offensive -- I
prefer solid colors, but I'll occaisionally go with simple patterns.
BTW, I don't understand why plaid? What's the reasoning?
allegro
types. I know several engineers, and whne I was studying Type
Theory, they all seemed to be NT's. Usually, they are Introverts,
making N their dominant, and T their auxiliary. They present their
intuitive sides to their inner world, while presenting their T
side to the outer world.
I think most engineers are analytical, logical, practical, and very
rational people. Because F (feeling) is their inferior, they do
tend to be somewhat insensitive at times. All they need is to
develop some sensitivity, then they would be better in interpersonal
relationships.
I think one of the problems is that working conditions make it such
that feelings are unimportant. Their work is focussed on analyzing,
thinking, problem solving, and logical analysis. In this way, other
colleagues are also communicating the same way...
The article in Ann Landers was really stereotyped, however, there
were some points worth discussion. Stirs up controversy, but
nevertheless, full of some truth.
Allegro
--
The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved.
- Victor Hugo
Mark Vieselmeyer
: I am an ENFJ. I am not enjoying my major now. I like music, I am
: irresponsible, I give good ideas, but those ideas are only accepted by a
: few people. What should I major in?
Electrical Engineering.
Chuck Shepherd
>I do think that most engineers are Intuitive (N), and thinking (T)
>types. I know several engineers, and whne I was studying Type
>Theory, they all seemed to be NT's. Usually, they are Introverts,
>making N their dominant, and T their auxiliary. They present their
>intuitive sides to their inner world, while presenting their T
>side to the outer world.
>
>I think most engineers are analytical, logical, practical, and very
>rational people.
The word "practical" suggests common-sense oriented, down-to-earth, and
other terms with define the "S" type. Since engineers are often concerned
with the practical (rather than theoretical, N based ) considerations,
I think it's impossible to define Engineers as leaning toward an N
bias.
Through e-mail, Andrew and I agreed that the type of engineers
depends greatly upon type of engineers you are talking about. An
electrical engineer , for example, is much more likely to have
an (N) bias than a mechanical engineer. And as mentioned before,
another factor is the level of education (undergraduate,
masters, PhD) It would be interesting to see an MBTI survey
which correlated (1) type of engineer or profession, (2)
level of education, and (3) MBTI type. Has there been a
survey similar to this? (for any field)
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Chuck Shepherd cshe...@cs.indiana.edu Computer Sci/Cognitive Science
"I've often been told that you can only do what you know how to do
well,and that's be you, be what you're like, be yourself" -- tmbg