Frog in hot water.
Garry Freemyer
decided how I'd answer it but I think its an interesting topic.
Have you ever heard about the experiment with the frog in hot water where if
you put a frog in hot water it will jump out, but if you put a frog in cool
water and slowly heat it up, the frog supposedly will not jump out but will
sit there, if let alone, and die instead of jumping out.
Its as if the frog keep recalibrating to the heat level and never percieves
it as painful enough to jump out or never makes the connection between the
source of the problem - the water's too hot, and their failing health.
Questions...
Is this true?
Do people have this trait?
If people have this trait, what problems could it cause, and what neat ways
could there be for folks to take advantage of this?
For example: Suppose a person is given to fits of rage, is it possible to
help this person by using this sort of trait so that the person could learn
to calibrate to it so that annoyances no longer are as big of an issue.
I've not thought this through and I wanted to post this before I decided
myself, so that it would be clear that I'm posting this as a subject of
curiosity and the end result, I'm hoping is that we have a nice discussion
and chat about it that we can enjoy.
Murphy's law says someone else has already written a thesis on this. :)
Steven
The abused person will leave if it is severe abuse at first, but if it slowly ramps up aver time, the abused person becomes
accustomed to it.
--
--
Steven
"Garry Freemyer" <garry_N...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:Vpq8h.31922$TV3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
OlOlOl01
"Garry Freemyer" <garry_N...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:Vpq8h.31922$TV3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>decided how I'd answer it but I think its an interesting topic.
>
> Have you ever heard about the experiment with the frog in hot water where
> if you put a frog in hot water it will jump out, but if you put a frog in
> cool water and slowly heat it up, the frog supposedly will not jump out
> but will sit there, if let alone, and die instead of jumping out.
>
> Its as if the frog keep recalibrating to the heat level and never
> percieves it as painful enough to jump out or never makes the connection
> between the source of the problem - the water's too hot, and their failing
> health.
>
> Questions...
>
> Is this true?
>
> Do people have this trait?
Every living organism has this 'trait' in that if things
change sufficiently slowly enough then 'change' does not
appear to be taking place and what the observer
observes is a stasis that (s)he refers to as normality.
In this manner, color TV is normal today to almost everyone
in the Western world, Broadband Internet, worldwide web and
Gb capacity desktop PC's 'normal' to under 15's - and in like
manner marching in goosestep in massed ranks was normal to
the Hitler Youth of the 1930's. Likewise, a battery chicken
knows 'normality' as sitting featherless and with long claws in
a cramped cage in artificial light.. yet the civilised amongst us
would normally refer to such as brutality.
We should perhaps be very careful of norms... ...and the
forthcoming climate change - a primary evolutionary
driver - might well shake 'em up a bit.
Adapt or go extinct:
"As many more individuals of each species are born than can
possibly survive, and as consequently there is a frequently recurring
struggle for existence, it follows that any being, if it vary in any
manner profitable to itself under the complex and sometimes
varying conditions of life, will have a better chance of survival..."
[Charles Darwin]
Ned Goudy
<garry_N...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>Murphy's law says someone else has already written a thesis on this. :)
Are you telling me that of all the gin joints
in all the world you stumbled in here to find the answer
when half of the people that post here are idiots
and the other half just wanna sell you their time?
Google NLP and you will find a richer resource
of free information. Even though you may have
to go 4 or 5 pages deep on your search. Then
too, many of the giants like Dilts and Dr. Michael Hall
have a great wealth of information on their websites
that they are just giving away for free.
Best always...
Ned Goudy
Cameron
"And what would you expect to pay for this product? $99.99 $59.99? no order
now and for only $39.99 the full set of do it yourself brain surgery will be
rushed to your door, call in the next 15 minutes and we'll throw in a free
set of steak knives."
Everyone reading this message has access to technologies that would have
seemed wonderous only 40 years ago, now they are becoming commonplace. When
is the last time you looked at the screen and realised you are communicating
with people from all over the planet, virtually for free?
A lot of people report that after 7 years of marrige the spark seems to dim
somewhat.
I'me not sure all these examples are examples of setting base rates, I'me
sure most people have noticed that when oil goes up the price of gas goes
up, but once people have adjusted to the new prices the petrol stations tend
not to lower them as much as would be indicated by the decreasing price of
oil.
People do adjust to what they are used to, it is true (though I've never met
anyone who has admitted to boiling a frog)
It's been applied to sales, intelegence work, and therapy. I'me not sure
about anger management but some phobia cures rely on the person dealing
sucessfully with ever increasing levels of exposure to the phobic stimilus
in order to establish a new base rate.
And yeah, there are probaly more than one thesis out there on this one, a
quick google search only found me one page from the CIA. Anyone find any
good links?
Garry Freemyer
gin joints you choose there to ask?
:)
"Ned Goudy" <ned....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b6dam2tjqpevtnaeh...@4ax.com...
OlOlOl01
"Cameron" <cbrow...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:45660928$0$5747$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "And what would you expect to pay for this product? $99.99 $59.99? no
> order now and for only $39.99 the full set of do it yourself brain surgery
> will be rushed to your door, call in the next 15 minutes and we'll throw
> in a free set of steak knives."
>
> Everyone reading this message has access to technologies that would have
> seemed wonderous only 40 years ago, now they are becoming commonplace.
> When is the last time you looked at the screen and realised you are
> communicating with people from all over the planet, virtually for free?
>
remarkable, innit?
I first started using (mainframe) computers in
the late 1960's - firstly with batch processing
and then with time sharing via one o dem rubber
cup dial up modem things.
Even twenty-five years ago (when I got my first micro
with a vast 32K memory and casssette tape data storage)
the facilities I have available sat in right in front of me now
were beyond our wildest dreams.
Today's fourteen year old, brought up without any of the
benchmarks the older generation has stored in memory,
takes it as 'normal' (and this is one powerful reason why the
politicos seek to manipulate their blank sheets with the
social engineering that passes fro 'education'.
The good news here is that that adaptabilty
can work in the opposite direction such that when 'hard times'
come, they seem quite normal to those brought up in them
PROVIDED the changes don't occur too rapidly.
Interesting article in the Grauniad this morning related to
this & fast change & adaptation:
Fossil research suggests 'mass dying' triggered teeming oceans
Ian Sample, science correspondent
Friday November 24, 2006
The Guardian
A cataclysmic mass extinction that devastated life on Earth millions of
years ago is the unlikely reason such a rich variety of life is found in the
oceans today, scientists have discovered.
Around 250m years ago at the end of the Permian era the Earth experienced
its most dramatic loss of life, when an estimated 95% of marine species and
70% of land animals were wiped out. Scientists are uncertain what caused the
extinction, but many suspect rapid environmental upheaval caused by vast
volcanic eruptions were at least in part to blame.
Scientists at the Field Museum of Natural History, in Chicago, used a new
database of fossil records to study how lifeforms in the oceans changed over
545m years. Instead of finding a gradual rise in different species, they
spotted a sudden explosion in marine life shortly after what paleontologists
call "the great dying".
Fossils of organisms known to be much older than 250m years reveal a picture
of the oceans dominated by plant-like creatures that anchored themselves to
sediments and filtered nutrients from the water washing past them.
For 10m years after the mass extinction life in the oceans showed little
sign of recovery, but fossils dating from 240m years ago and younger showed
that more complex ecosystems quickly emerged, along with the first creatures
to become mobile and actively search for their food.
The scientists behind the study believe that by nearly wiping out life in
the oceans the playing field was levelled between formerly dominant marine
species and others eking out an existence on the margins...
Full article at:
http://environment.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,1956019,00.html
Ned Goudy
<garry_N...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>So, every gin joint I go to and ask this question someone says of all the
>gin joints you choose there to ask?
Always? It seems to me that you are engaging
in global statements here, (OVERGENERALIZATIONS)
and I can only assume that if you generalize that
habit that it could get you in ugly situations with other
human beings in the future on many occasions, and
eventually lead to depression, a loss of self worth,
and IF THAT HAPPENS then a full blown feeling
of helplessness, hopelessness and worthlessness
is BOUND TO FOLLOW.
Do you want that?
Would that make your life a party?
If you answered, NO, then what knowledge have
you gleaned from your apparent habit of OVERGENERALIZATION?
What does this mean to you as a human being?
And lastly,... how will this effect the way you think, feel and act
towards yourself and other human beings in the future?
Can you see yourself using more DISCRETION
in your Generalizations in the future?
Did it occur to you that you could use this same thought
process modeled above to solve the QUESTION the original
poster asked here in the first place.
Peace to you and yours...
Ned Goudy
Garry Freemyer
"Ned Goudy" <ned....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6jrem2942ag62i04q...@4ax.com...
Ned Goudy
<garry_N...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>I was just jokin.
So was I! :O) But I try to model
NLP and NeuroSemantic techniques
even when I jest...
Ned