What about evidence for an afterlife?

[JTEM is Magic]

So theists offer personal testimony as evidence,
personal experiences. Aunt Clara will tell you how
Jesus came to them, told them their wart would
be cured and, behold, nine years later, 10 at the
absolute tops, it was gone!

But there's more.

Miracles. Medical miracles. These are proclaimed
by science. I have pointed this out many times,
only for the fake atheists to go mental and refuse
to deal with it, but the Catholic church actually
has a rather rigid, science based method of
establishing miracles.

They'll have a panel of DOCTORS examine medical
miracles, for example, and confirm the diagnosis,
the cure and the lack of any plausible explanation.
It's only then that the church weighs in, decides if
it's a religious miracle.

What about reincarnation? It's not exactly biblical
but it's very well attested. It's not only a widely
held belief but there's some truly amazing stories
out there -- not the least of which is the Dali Lama.

Science? Yes, science often points to God. Of
course science has to hide God behind a different
name, in order to make it through the filters of the
fake atheist brains, but science still often insists
there is a God.

The observer in the Copenhagen Interpretation.

The programmer in the Simulated Universe.

The brain in the Brain Universe.

I'm sure I'm leaving a few out...

What about ghosts/spirits? This stuff is beyond
ancient! There's MILLIONS of witnesses over the
millennia, if not tens of millions. There's libraries
full of evidence for an afterlife just in the case of
ghosts!

Remember: "Evidence" is not French for "Proof."
Yes the countless reports of ghosts really are
"Evidence," even if not the most compelling.

And ghosts are extra biblical.. or antithetical
even.

But, they are "Evidence" for an afterlife, which
is consistent with the theistic point of view even
if not Christianity per se.

Any other evidence?






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[Mike]

On Wednesday 17 January 2024 at 21:39:01 UTC-8, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> So theists offer personal testimony as evidence,
> personal experiences. Aunt Clara will tell you how
> Jesus came to them, told them their wart would
> be cured and, behold, nine years later, 10 at the
> absolute tops, it was gone!

My greatest testimony to the existence of Christ is
finding a job at the very last moment when your
Unemployment insurance is just about to expire.
It's a scary experience, I still have nightmares about
it, but it is a quite common experience to find work
when you are on your last leg.

The concept of reincarnation is not explicitly
supported in mainstream Christian theology, and
most Christian denominations do not accept it
as a doctrine. Reincarnation is more commonly
associated with Eastern religions such as
Hinduism and Buddhism. In Christianity, the
belief in an afterlife is typically associated with
concepts of resurrection and judgment rather
than a cycle of rebirth.

While some individuals and groups have suggested
interpretations of certain Bible verses to support
the idea of reincarnation, these interpretations are
often considered minority or unconventional views
within Christian theology. The mainstream understanding
of these verses does not align with the concept of
reincarnation. Here are a couple of verses that have
been cited by some proponents of reincarnation,
along with a brief overview of their traditional interpretations:

Matthew 11:14 (ESV):

"And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah
who is to come."

Some have pointed to this verse, suggesting
that it implies the possibility of John the Baptist
being a reincarnation of Elijah. However, mainstream
Christian interpretation sees this as a statement
about John fulfilling a role similar to that of Elijah,
not a literal reincarnation.

John 9:1-3 (ESV):

"As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And
his disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man
or his parents, that he was born blind?' Jesus answered,
'It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that
the works of God might be displayed in him.'"

Some proponents of reincarnation have suggested that
the disciples' question about the man being born blind
due to sin implies a belief in pre-existence or reincarnation.
However, the traditional Christian interpretation emphasizes
Jesus's response as rejecting the idea of the man's blindness
being a result of personal sin in a previous life. It's important
to note that these interpretations are not universally accepted
within Christian theology, and mainstream Christian denominations
generally reject the idea of reincarnation in favor of beliefs
in resurrection, judgment, and an afterlife.
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[JTEM is Magic]

Mike wrote:

> The concept of reincarnation is not explicitly
> supported in mainstream Christian theology, and
> most Christian denominations do not accept it
> as a doctrine.

But that's the trap of the fake atheists: "You must
believe the bible is literally true or there is no God."

I've heard a Rabbi insist on reincarnation. It's spelled
out in Asian beliefs, yes, with quite a lot of evidence,
whether you find this evidence compelling or not.

Some of the stories are really good reads, stories
of reincarnation, and their are new ones being
created all the time....

I think we in this culture are turned off by reincarnation
because everyone used to be a queen or Napoleon or
something. Almost nobody was Joe or Jane average
with a perfectly average life. It seems rare that anyone
was a different gender in a past life. Not entirely
unheard of, but rare, particularly before the Clown
World where is fashionable.

> While some individuals and groups have suggested
> interpretations of certain Bible verses to support
> the idea of reincarnation, these interpretations are
> often considered minority or unconventional views
> within Christian theology.

Well it's not about Christianity or the bible. It's about
evidence for an afterlife -- the supernatural and by
extension some type of deity.

Even if reincarnation were proven as fact it would
not be proof of a deity, but it would be consistent
with one.

Put another way: You could NOT say that
reincarnation is incompatible with a deity. After all,
there's TONS of room for decision making... who
gets reincarnated where.




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[Mike]

The very nature of consciousness implies an afterlife, though
reincarnation might not be how it happens. The afterlife is
axiomatic and self evident. I require no proof to know that time
will stop if consciousness stops. Even if a zillions and trillion of
gazillions of eons go by, without awareness it will seem like
an an instant for the observer. From that perspective death
is logistically impossible.

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[Madhu]

* JTEM is Magic <5c84471d-8e78-4779-83b6-9b14c2b41e87n @googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 21:38:59 -0800 (PST):

A biblically-consistent point of view which accepts the angelic fall can
disclaim ghosts and reincarnation. The only meta-narrative needed is the
fall of satan and his angels.

Reincarnation (and Sainthoot/ Guru-hood ) is explained by the mechanism
of evil-spirits patronising different lives in different generations
thereby providing the illusion of continuity, both to the victims and
on-lookers, and propagating institutions and traditions, and families.

The canonisation of saints (another attested procedure) consists of
identifying the demon which worked miracles in the lives of its victim
(there are a fixed number of these, so the canonical demon is
returned). The "miracles" are performed by the demons on behalf of the
patronised victim, and no superhuman power accrues to human beings.

[JTEM is Magic]

Madhu wrote:

> A biblically-consistent point of view which accepts the angelic fall can
> disclaim ghosts and reincarnation.

Yeah but now you're divorced from evidence and entirely faith
based.

The thread is about evidence. And there's lots of evidence for
reincarnation, even if the westerners do not typically find it
compelling evidence.

Let's say there was a murder one year ago last October. And
a number of witnesses and some grainy security cam footage
all tell you that the murderer wore a white shirt. And the chief
suspect, according to police, "Confesses" to have once owned
a white shirt, several in fact.

There. Is that "Compelling" evidence that the man is guilty?

I wouldn't think so.

It's "Evidence" in that ownership of a white shirt is consistent
with guilt, but countless millions own a white shirt.

Online, the collective misunderstands the word "Evidence" as
proof, but in reality evidence SUPPORTS or IS CONSISTENT
with the truth.

It's not necessarily convincing at all.

Having said that, and in THAT context of reality, I say again:

There is evidence for reincarnation. Lots of it. Lots & lots.
There is evidence for ghosts. Lots of it. Lots & lots.



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[JTEM is Magic]

Mike wrote:
> The very nature of consciousness implies an afterlife, though
> reincarnation might not be how it happens.

We're dealing with just the evidence, and you've raised a good
one: Consciousness.

I personally can't see how anyone might fail to see the "Soul"
and "Consciousness" interchangeable. They are a perfect
fit, if one entertains the Quantum Mind/Quantum Consciousness
idea.

I'm not sure consciousness can stop though. If it exists at
a quantum level, it would not necessarily be bound by time
and space.



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[Madhu]

* JTEM is Magic <3395d46c-dce0-4b66-965e-4007cb4baddbn @googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Thu, 18 Jan 2024 14:11:16 -0800 (PST):

> Having said that, and in THAT context of reality, I say again:
>
> There is evidence for reincarnation. Lots of it. Lots & lots.
> There is evidence for ghosts. Lots of it. Lots & lots.

And I say again what you're seeing is the evidence of evil spirits and
demons who are doing the manipulation.

[Steven Douglas]

I agree with you.

[Mike]

Since you are one of these demons yourself, it is understandable
that you would agree.

[Mike]

Oddly, this podcast about Reincarnation from David Icke
showed up on my feed, just now. I hop you look at it because
I am beginning to agree with him. Just skip bast that
weird 'bird' at the beginning giving a lecture on 'Quantum Healing'

THE BIGGEST CONSPIRACY EVER CREATED - DAVID ICKE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lPeJjRTIAiPq/

[JTEM is Magic]

Madhu wrote:

> And I say again what you're seeing is the evidence of evil spirits

No. You went "A Bridge Too Far."

It's evidence of the supernatural, the paranormal -- and afterlife.
You went too far, describing that "Other side," for which there is
no evidence what so ever.




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[JTEM is Magic]

Mike wrote:

> Oddly, this podcast about Reincarnation from David Icke
> showed up on my feed, just now.

He strikes me as a fraud.

He hits too many buckets. Like he's trying to throw out every
conceivable keyword in order hit as many people as he can.

...he's talking about vibrational energy, "The Simulation,"
A.I. and everything else, all in one sentence.

He's fishing.

And I think it's said, really. He's gotten a lot of things right,
but he's dressed so much of it up in a kook pot fright wig
that nobody can take him seriously.

Your Dr. Grande ripped into him and, oddly, didn't make
much of a case against him except for the Reptilians.

Which, oddly, are not even Icke's! They're popular enough.




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[Mike]

On Saturday 20 January 2024 at 10:04:42 UTC-8, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>
> > Oddly, this podcast about Reincarnation from David Icke
> > showed up on my feed, just now.
> He strikes me as a fraud.
>
> He hits too many buckets. Like he's trying to throw out every
> conceivable keyword in order hit as many people as he can.
>
> ...he's talking about vibrational energy, "The Simulation,"
> A.I. and everything else, all in one sentence.
>
> He's fishing.
>
> And I think it's said, really. He's gotten a lot of things right,
> but he's dressed so much of it up in a kook pot fright wig
> that nobody can take him seriously.
>
> Your Dr. Grande ripped into him and, oddly, didn't make
> much of a case against him except for the Reptilians.

Any time I even her the name Dr. Grand, I get annoyed
an irritated. He seems to be one of your favorites.

[JTEM is Magic]

, Mike wrote:

> Any time I even her the name Dr. Grand, I get annoyed
> an irritated. He seems to be one of your favorites.

I hate to attack the man -- God punished him enough, giving
him that sense of humor -- but he does strike me as far
less intuitive than... academic? He's not seeing what's in
front of him, he's looking at guidelines.

He doesn't grasp or at least ignores human nature.

He even concluded that D.I.D. wasn't real, with all the claims
out there. And it's certainly true that the number of alleged
claims have exploded over the years, the disorder itself
predates public awareness of it.

And there have been a number of cases which I thought
he got spectacularly WRONG. Like, he checked some boxes
on a test -- which is subjective in the first place -- and
pronounced a finding.... LOOK AT THE PERSON!




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[Mike]

I find him too painful to watch, and his comments
are not all that helpful or useful. It's been a while
since I watched him at all, but his decor used to
strike my attention. He seems to like being surrounded
by a whole bunch of fake cactuses, and I noticed he
had one real cactus in the bunch. I wish I could see
a professional willing give some comments about that,
perhaps even a diagnosis.

[Mike]

Yea, just checked him out just for the fun of it.
This is is latest content. His fake cactuses are
still there. Perhaps he's even got a few more.
Notice he seems to have a real cactus in the
bunch, behind off to the right.

Dr. Grande Latest Content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZXQuLSVYzc

[JTEM is Magic]

Mike wrote:

> I find him too painful to watch, and his comments
> are not all that helpful or useful. It's been a while
> since I watched him at all, but his decor used to
> strike my attention. He seems to like being surrounded
> by a whole bunch of fake cactuses, and I noticed he
> had one real cactus in the bunch. I wish I could see
> a professional willing give some comments about that,
> perhaps even a diagnosis.

I sometimes find him very useful but other times he leaves
out facts/information to such a degree that he appears to
intentionally be trying to deceive.




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[Mike]

On Saturday 20 January 2024 at 23:35:39 UTC-8, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>
> > I find him too painful to watch, and his comments
> > are not all that helpful or useful. It's been a while
> > since I watched him at all, but his decor used to
> > strike my attention. He seems to like being surrounded
> > by a whole bunch of fake cactuses, and I noticed he
> > had one real cactus in the bunch. I wish I could see
> > a professional willing give some comments about that,
> > perhaps even a diagnosis.

> I sometimes find him very useful

I have never found him useful.