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Nov 23, 2004, 3:23:09 PM11/23/04
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Another tragedy for grieving family

Marine's death in Fallujah adds to their losses

By Caitlin Rother
STAFF WRITER

November 21, 2004

Before going to bed Nov. 6, Marine Corps Sgt. Rafael Peralta sat down
in Fallujah, Iraq, and wrote his first and last letters to his little
brother and youngest sister.

"Tomorrow, at 19:00 hours (7 p.m.), we are going to declare war in the
holy city of Fallujah," Peralta wrote to Ricardo, 14. "We are going to
defeat the insurgents. Watch the news, it's going to be all over. Be
proud of me, bro, I'm going to make history and do something that I
always wanted to do."

The two white envelopes came in the mail Tuesday, the day after
Peralta's family learned the 25-year-old Marine had died in battle.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041121/news_1m21peralta.html


This stupid soldier thought that he was going to picnic. No your mama,
it is a war. The funny thing about this idiot when he said he that he
will do something that he always wanted to do. Does that mean he
always wanted to die?

Check the link above and see how his mother setting on his bed next to
his photo. Very beautiful scene. His fiancee died after an auto
accident in December 2003, and his father was killed on the job three
years ago. And now it is his turn. Anyway, another pig wasted in Iraq.

Grantland

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Nov 23, 2004, 3:43:07 PM11/23/04
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daylig...@yahoo.com (Daylight) wrote:

Too boring. Let's record his pathtic wailing as we slowly saw off his
fat pig head with a rusty hacksaw. ROTFL!! Then take a hearty shit
down his gaping neck! LOLOLOLOL!!

Grantland

Victor

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Nov 23, 2004, 4:26:37 PM11/23/04
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:43:07 GMT, mit...@iafrica.com (Grantland)
wrote:

Obviously you are not an American, not sure where you hail from,
probably Africa. I would be more concerned about you state of affairs
with the French then about ours with the Iraqis. keep you dribble to
your side of the world. Start worrying about the genocide that is
rampant in you continent and we will worry about how much aid to give
under developed countries like yours.

Don W. McCollough

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Nov 23, 2004, 4:43:39 PM11/23/04
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"Grantland" <mit...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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All lot of those blokes don't want to be in Iraq. They are following
orders and
fighting to defend themselves and qwell insurrection. They signed up to
honorably
defend the US, but they got an offensive imperial war instead. I'm sure
they realize
that they are creating antipathy by thier presence in Iraq.

That's why the US military is having a hard time getting people to enlist in
the military so
that these veteran soldiers can go home. A lot of Americans see what a
fraud this
war is. I think young people especially see the uselessness of this war.


Never anonymous Bud

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Nov 23, 2004, 6:23:33 PM11/23/04
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Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, daylig...@yahoo.com (Daylight) on 23 Nov 2004 12:23:09 -0800 spoke:

>"Tomorrow, at 19:00 hours (7 p.m.), we are going to declare war in the
>holy city of Fallujah," Peralta wrote to Ricardo, 14. "We are going to
>defeat the insurgents. Watch the news, it's going to be all over. Be
>proud of me, bro, I'm going to make history and do something that I
>always wanted to do."

WOW!

He always wanted to INVADE another country and kill it's citizens,
AND he was PROUD at doing that??

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Jean Guernon

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Nov 23, 2004, 6:59:12 PM11/23/04
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Grantland a écrit:

> daylig...@yahoo.com (Daylight) wrote:
>
>
>>Another tragedy for grieving family
>>
>>Marine's death in Fallujah adds to their losses
>>
>>By Caitlin Rother
>>STAFF WRITER
>>
>>November 21, 2004
>>
>>Before going to bed Nov. 6, Marine Corps Sgt. Rafael Peralta sat down
>>in Fallujah, Iraq, and wrote his first and last letters to his little
>>brother and youngest sister.
>>
>>"Tomorrow, at 19:00 hours (7 p.m.), we are going to declare war in the
>>holy city of Fallujah," Peralta wrote to Ricardo, 14. "We are going to
>>defeat the insurgents. Watch the news, it's going to be all over. Be
>>proud of me, bro, I'm going to make history and do something that I
>>always wanted to do."
>>
>>The two white envelopes came in the mail Tuesday, the day after
>>Peralta's family learned the 25-year-old Marine had died in battle.
>>
>>http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041121/news_1m21peralta.html
>>
>>
>>This stupid soldier thought that he was going to picnic. No your mama,

Pissed off at a TRUE HERO because he is doing like his lineage did
before him last WW, fight off Nazi assholes like your own family was?

You wish the Muslim killers could win don't you Grantland. Alas for your
wish, just like with Hitler and your old folks wishes, not much chance
of that happening, especially with true heroes like that guy, and his
ancestors, who flip you the bird all the way to your white only living
room in South Africa. What do you know about true bravery? All you can
do is like those who kiss your ass, spread hatred and lies.

J.


Dani

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Nov 23, 2004, 7:17:27 PM11/23/04
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Thank you *very* much for posting this and taking the words right out
of my mouth. I was beginning to think I'm the only one who sees this.

My sentiments exactly exactly exactly!

Blame the bastard who sent them there.

Dani

Kavik Kang

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Nov 23, 2004, 7:20:00 PM11/23/04
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"Daylight" <daylig...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Another tragedy for grieving family
>
> Marine's death in Fallujah adds to their losses
>
> By Caitlin Rother
> STAFF WRITER
>
> November 21, 2004
>
> Before going to bed Nov. 6, Marine Corps Sgt. Rafael Peralta sat down
> in Fallujah, Iraq, and wrote his first and last letters to his little
> brother and youngest sister.
>
> "Tomorrow, at 19:00 hours (7 p.m.), we are going to declare war in the
> holy city of Fallujah," Peralta wrote to Ricardo, 14. "We are going to
> defeat the insurgents. Watch the news, it's going to be all over. Be
> proud of me, bro, I'm going to make history and do something that I
> always wanted to do."
>
> The two white envelopes came in the mail Tuesday, the day after
> Peralta's family learned the 25-year-old Marine had died in battle.
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041121/news_1m21peralta.html
>
>
> This stupid soldier thought that he was going to picnic. No your mama,
> it is a war. The funny thing about this idiot when he said he that he
> will do something that he always wanted to do. Does that mean he
> always wanted to die?

That's because he was going to a picnic. We suffered almost no casualties
in taking Fallujah, it was a picnic.


Kavik Kang

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Nov 23, 2004, 7:20:04 PM11/23/04
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"Don W. McCollough" <let...@softhome.net> wrote in message
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Are you lying or just ignorant? The US military has met all of it's
recruitment goals, moron.


Jean Guernon

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Nov 23, 2004, 7:50:51 PM11/23/04
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Daylight a écrit:

> Another tragedy for grieving family
>
> Marine's death in Fallujah adds to their losses
>
> By Caitlin Rother
> STAFF WRITER
>
> November 21, 2004
>
> Before going to bed Nov. 6, Marine Corps Sgt. Rafael Peralta sat down
> in Fallujah, Iraq, and wrote his first and last letters to his little
> brother and youngest sister.
>
> "Tomorrow, at 19:00 hours (7 p.m.), we are going to declare war in the
> holy city of Fallujah," Peralta wrote to Ricardo, 14. "We are going to
> defeat the insurgents. Watch the news, it's going to be all over. Be
> proud of me, bro, I'm going to make history and do something that I
> always wanted to do."
>
> The two white envelopes came in the mail Tuesday, the day after
> Peralta's family learned the 25-year-old Marine had died in battle.
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041121/news_1m21peralta.html
>
>


A true hero, Daylight, who kicked the ass of your terrorists butt buddies.

Bow to true honor, loser.

J.

Aidan

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Nov 23, 2004, 9:22:11 PM11/23/04
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"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ummm, a picnic at which the subject of the original post died... what the
fuck are you trying to justify here?


Kavik Kang

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Nov 23, 2004, 9:55:13 PM11/23/04
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"Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> wrote in message
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Just pointing out that Fallujah was a field day in which the muslims once
again proved that they are incapable of inflicting noticable casualties on
US forces. Just pointing out that muslims have proven to be the most
cowardly and incapable warriors that the world has ever known. Any other
armed force in history would have killed thousands of enemies in an attempt
to take a city. Fallujah was a "picnic".

Mark Fox

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Nov 23, 2004, 10:08:44 PM11/23/04
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daylig...@yahoo.com (Daylight) wrote in message news:<70ceae71.04112...@posting.google.com>...

And you are just another pig wasting his life on the internet. Rafael
was serving his country in battle. Because of brave selfless people
like Rafael, Saddam is in jail, his sons are dead, and 50 million
people now live in freedom. That includes the freedom to enjoy the
internet when it was forbidden just a few years ago. This is the very
same internet that you have enjoyed using to pontificate your point of
view. What have you done for your country? Have you accomplished
anything in your life except for reaching for another bag of potato
chips as you pound that keyboard?

Aidan

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"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just pointing out that Fallujah was a field day in which the muslims once
> again proved that they are incapable of inflicting noticable casualties on
> US forces. Just pointing out that muslims have proven to be the most
> cowardly and incapable warriors that the world has ever known. Any other
> armed force in history would have killed thousands of enemies in an
> attempt
> to take a city. Fallujah was a "picnic".


http://www.boston.com/dailynews/328/wash/Number_of_U_S_troops_wounded_t:.shtml

Don't ever invite me to a picnic you organize


Kavik Kang

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Nov 24, 2004, 12:13:25 AM11/24/04
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"Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> wrote in message
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Obviously it was a battle and people were dying and it wasn't a pleasant
place too be. But as urban combat goes, Fallujah is completely
unprecedented. Thousands of men die to take a city, not 50. I personally
don't believe that this had less to do with technology than it did the
terrorists incompetance in combat. It certainly shouldn't be seen as a sign
that urban combat has been "video game-ized". This was almost certainly due
to the total incompetance and cowardly nature of the enemy.


R. Foreman

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"Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> Spat the Words

Those wounded figures are just combat-related. Add non-combat
wounded and the figure triples... incidents like 40ton vehicles
rolling on people, etc, would be non-combat injuries.

Aidan

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"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:newscache$5y8o7i$1wg$1...@titan.linknet.com.au...
>>
>> "Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:lKSod.2453$NU3....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> ...
>> > Just pointing out that Fallujah was a field day in which the muslims
> once
>> > again proved that they are incapable of inflicting noticable casualties
> on
>> > US forces. Just pointing out that muslims have proven to be the most
>> > cowardly and incapable warriors that the world has ever known. Any
> other
>> > armed force in history would have killed thousands of enemies in an
>> > attempt
>> > to take a city. Fallujah was a "picnic".
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.boston.com/dailynews/328/wash/Number_of_U_S_troops_wounded_t:.shtml
>>
>> Don't ever invite me to a picnic you organize
>
> Obviously it was a battle and people were dying and it wasn't a pleasant
> place too be. But as urban combat goes, Fallujah is completely
> unprecedented. Thousands of men die to take a city, not 50. I personally
> don't believe that this had less to do with technology than it did the
> terrorists incompetance in combat.

You could say that, I guess... but I would say it has more to do with a lack
of central command of the various insurgent groups.

http://www.politicalinformation.net/encyclopedia/Iraqi_resistance.htm

If they were as incompetant as you say, this would all be over already, and
there would be no need to remain in Iraq... Additionally, Fallujah has
*not* been fully secured/liberated... that's just what the US media says:

http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/

R. Foreman

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Nov 24, 2004, 12:46:45 AM11/24/04
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"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> Spat the Words

>
> "Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:newscache$5y8o7i$1wg$1...@titan.linknet.com.au...
>>
>> "Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:lKSod.2453$NU3....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> ...
>> > Just pointing out that Fallujah was a field day in which the muslims
> once
>> > again proved that they are incapable of inflicting noticable
>> > casualties
> on
>> > US forces. Just pointing out that muslims have proven to be the most
>> > cowardly and incapable warriors that the world has ever known. Any
> other
>> > armed force in history would have killed thousands of enemies in an
>> > attempt
>> > to take a city. Fallujah was a "picnic".
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.boston.com/dailynews/328/wash/Number_of_U_S_troops_wounded_t:.
> shtml
>>
>> Don't ever invite me to a picnic you organize
>
> Obviously it was a battle and people were dying and it wasn't a pleasant
> place too be. But as urban combat goes, Fallujah is completely
> unprecedented. Thousands of men die to take a city, not 50. I
> personally don't believe that this had less to do with technology than
> it did the terrorists incompetance in combat.

Probably mostly due to the tactics. Find out where gunfire
is coming from, move to safe distance, pulverize, reduce to
rubble the enemy position using bombs or artillery. The
insurgents can't really match these tactics, but they do
have stealth and mobility on their side.

Kavik Kang

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Nov 24, 2004, 12:48:29 AM11/24/04
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"Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> wrote in message
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Of course, that is just a small part of their incompetance.


> If they were as incompetant as you say, this would all be over already,
and
> there would be no need to remain in Iraq... Additionally, Fallujah has
> *not* been fully secured/liberated... that's just what the US media says:

No, even ants are hard to deal with and they probably don't even realize
that you exist. And the US media does not say it has been fully secured, it
says that we control the city which is true. Anybody could have predicted
that small pockets of zealots would continue to exist for weeks, everyone
expected that.

Kavik Kang

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"R. Foreman" <eid...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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What is your point? We took an entire city with essentially no casualties.


Aidan

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Nov 24, 2004, 1:13:45 AM11/24/04
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Kavik Kang wrote:

I guess I simply disagree with you on the basis that I don't believe any
war, no matter the lack of casualties, is a picnic.

Kavik Kang

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Nov 24, 2004, 1:26:47 AM11/24/04
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"Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Kavik Kang wrote:
>
> >No, even ants are hard to deal with and they probably don't even realize
> >that you exist. And the US media does not say it has been fully secured,
it
> >says that we control the city which is true. Anybody could have
predicted
> >that small pockets of zealots would continue to exist for weeks, everyone
> >expected that.
> >
> >
>
> I guess I simply disagree with you on the basis that I don't believe any
> war, no matter the lack of casualties, is a picnic.

Like I said, you wouldn't want to be there. But when you have no choice
then war is the only option. We have been attacked, we have no choice.
Everything that has happened since 911 is Ossama's fault. It's not
America's fault, it's not Bush's fault, it's nobody else's fault other than
Ossama and his radical fundamentalist nutcase freinds. They chose to start
World War III with the United States, we did not choose our course of
action... they did. Our response to such an attack was laid out 50 years
before and the whole world knew what it would be. We have not deviated from
what we said we would do.


MonsieurStat

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Nov 24, 2004, 1:32:59 AM11/24/04
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"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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EXACTLY!
And we all know what's coming next, so just put on your seat-belts and stock
up on batteries for the remote controle. We got a HELL of a LOT more WAR to
watch!


MonsieurStat

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Nov 24, 2004, 1:34:37 AM11/24/04
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Or maybe all the competent insurgents had already left Falluja when the
Americans arrived.


"Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> wrote in message

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Daylight

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"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<lKSod.2453$NU3....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

> Fallujah was a "picnic".

Was it a picnic when whey defeated the overwhelming forces of the US
last April. Did you forget that?

But even now. It isn't over.

Read this news report if you like. At least it is not coming from
embedded journalist. From a Chinese news agency based on eyewitnesses
reports.


Militant groups control 60 percent of Fallujah: witnesses
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-11/22/content_2244288.htm

NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq, Nov. 21 (Xinhuanet) -- Militant groups in
battle-torn Fallujah have controlled 60 percent of the central Iraqi
city and surrounded dozens of US Marines in Jolan district,witnesses
said Sunday.

"Defenders of the city are controlling 60 percent of the city and they
are encircling dozens of US soldiers in Jolan neighborhood,"
eyewitnesses who managed to sneak out of the city told Xinhua.

Residents of Fallujah said the southern part of Fallujah, which is
still under control of the militant groups, constitutes the larger
part of the city, and US troops only control the north and small
eastern spots in the city.

"Some American troops are based in government buildings and the yare
pounded by fighters," they said.

"In daytime, groups of mujahedeen (Holy War fighters) engage with
hit-and-run attacks with US Marines, and at the same time they gear
themselves up for the night battles," they said.Fierce fighting and
loud explosions resonated throughout Jolan district before the sunset.

US troops continued pounding the area as plumes and columns of smoke
covered the sky over Jolan and the southern al-Shuhadaa district.

Early this month, US and Iraqi forces launched a major offensiveto
crush insurgents, including Zarqawi group, in Fallujah, 50 km west of
Baghdad.

About one week later, the US military claimed it had controlled the
city. Enditem

R. Foreman

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Nov 24, 2004, 3:22:28 AM11/24/04
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"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> Spat the Words

>

My point is the actual us casualty figures are about triple
what the 'official' pentagon figures say.

> We took an entire city with essentially no casualties.

I'm sure urban combat isn't easy. Overwhelming, coordinated
force is the key to ending it quickly.

R. Foreman

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Nov 24, 2004, 3:45:34 AM11/24/04
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsi...@yahoo.com> Spat the Words

We might see some bombardment, but doubtful we'll see any
more ground invasions. Our troops are stretched thin, and
we have no international support.

The next fireworks coming up are going to be economic in
nature. Bush is going to deny there's a problem right up
to when the dam breaks.


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TonyZ2001

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Nov 24, 2004, 8:32:43 AM11/24/04
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>Kavik Kang" Kavik...@hotmail.com
wrote:

>But as urban combat goes, Fallujah is completely
>unprecedented. Thousands of men die to take a city, not 50. I personally
>don't believe that this had less to do with technology than it did the
>terrorists incompetance in combat.

True, but it was also due to the dedication and discipline of our troops.

Tony

TonyZ2001

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Nov 24, 2004, 8:30:29 AM11/24/04
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>Never anonymous Bud >new...@katxyzkave.net
wrote:

>
>Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, daylig...@yahoo.com (Daylight)
>on 23 Nov 2004 12:23:09 -0800 spoke:

>
>>"Tomorrow, at 19:00 hours (7 p.m.), we are going to declare war in the
>>holy city of Fallujah," Peralta wrote to Ricardo, 14. "We are going to
>>defeat the insurgents. Watch the news, it's going to be all over. Be
>>proud of me, bro, I'm going to make history and do something that I
>>always wanted to do."

>WOW!

>He always wanted to INVADE another >country and kill it's citizens,
>AND he was PROUD at doing that??

You sick Liberal bastard, he was proud of going to Liberate a people that had
been under a dictators foot for 35 years.

Tony

TonyZ2001

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Nov 24, 2004, 8:36:14 AM11/24/04
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>"R. Foreman" >eid...@anti-spam.comcast.net
wrote:

>We might see some bombardment, but >doubtful we'll see any
>more ground invasions. Our troops are >stretched thin, and
>we have no international support.

>The next fireworks coming up are going to be economic in
>nature. Bush is going to deny there's a problem right up
>to when the dam breaks.

Still hoping that things go wrong for your country, eh?

Tony

TonyZ2001

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Nov 24, 2004, 8:28:50 AM11/24/04
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>Dani dani...@hotmail.com
wrote:

>
>Thank you *very* much for posting this and taking the words right out
>of my mouth. I was beginning to think I'm the only one who sees this.
>
>My sentiments exactly exactly exactly!
>
>Blame the bastard who sent them there.
>
>Dani

You fucking lowlife, you say nothing to Daylight who savagely insults out
troops, yet you chip in your 2 cents to say blame the President.

You are a Pig and a liar, a filthy liar who claimed that her brother was killed
in Iraq, you would never be able to pass up a post like Daylights with going
into a rage if your brother really had been killed in Iraq.

You are the lowest piece of scum in existance.

Tony

TonyZ2001

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Nov 24, 2004, 8:35:01 AM11/24/04
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>"MonsieurStat" <Monsi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Or maybe all the competent insurgents >had already left Falluja when the
>Americans arrived.

Kinda like the cowards that they are, huh?

Tony


TonyZ2001

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Nov 24, 2004, 8:38:07 AM11/24/04
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>Kavik Kang" Kavik...@hotmail.com
wrote:

Most of the people in this group are American hating clowns (including many
Americans) they only want to see bad things for America, and when things go
well, they want to try to make it seem bad.

Tony

TonyZ2001

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Nov 24, 2004, 8:43:37 AM11/24/04
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Marine Corps Sgt. Rafael Peralta died a hero, he jumped on a grenade thrown by
an insurgent inside of a small room where there were several other Marines.

Had he not taken this heroic action, several Marines would have died, he gave
his life for his friends and brothers.

And many Americans in this group just looked right past this fact and couldn't
wait to attack our nation and said not one word in honor of this hero.

You are all (you know who I'm talking too) low life pieces of shit.

Tony

Howard Berkowitz

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Nov 24, 2004, 9:35:03 AM11/24/04
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In article <qZVod.36186$Le1.8...@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"MonsieurStat" <Monsi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Or maybe all the competent insurgents had already left Falluja when the
> Americans arrived.

Is that necessarily a bad thing? One of the basic goals of war, if you
can't immediately destroy the enemy and you have highly mobile forces
(and this goes back to horse cavalry), you keep them moving, unable to
reorganize, and harass them as they move.

It's called "the pursuit", and is nothing new. Rather than US forces in
Iraq, one could take examples from Belisarius.

Howard Berkowitz

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Nov 24, 2004, 9:31:47 AM11/24/04
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In article <NgVod.2609$NU3....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> No, even ants are hard to deal with and they probably don't even realize
> that you exist. And the US media does not say it has been fully secured,
> it
> says that we control the city which is true. Anybody could have
> predicted
> that small pockets of zealots would continue to exist for weeks, everyone
> expected that.


Ants are part-time dilettantes compared with cockroaches. Rats also do
pretty well.

Daylight

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Nov 24, 2004, 9:56:38 AM11/24/04
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"Kavik Kang" <Kavik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<%hVod.2611$NU3....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

> "R. Foreman" <eid...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns95AAE48563B45rr...@204.127.199.17...
> > "Aidan" <nospam...@linknet.com.au> Spat the Words

>

> We took an entire city with essentially no casualties.

As long as no single independent journalist was allowed to enter the
city and assess the situation on ground, the US victory remains a
claim. The insurgents have proven that they can defeat the US army
last April. The whole world has seen how they were able to humiliate
the US army and put the US nose in the dust. While the US victory
still to be seen. Taking a part of the city doesn't mean the other
parts will follow. I believe they can do it again as they have done it
before. Scoring at a touchdown at the start of the game doesn't make
you a winner you fuckin asshole.

MonsieurStat

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Nov 24, 2004, 12:00:57 PM11/24/04
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"TonyZ2001" <tony...@aol.com> wrote in message
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It's part of the guerrilla warfare strategy not to face the enemy head on,
but always to go around them and sneak up from behind or attack the sides.

If it's cowardly for the Iraqi insurgents (they are really the same as
guerrillas, we just call them insurgents for extra effect) to use this
strategy is beside the point. There is basically no other way to fight a
fully equipped army when you're out-numbered 100 to 1, and have very little
in terms of equipment.

Most of these insurgents are not professional soldiers either. They mostly
have less than two years of combat experience. But they seem to be learning
fast and as the war goes on, their numbers will increase. Their numbers was
estimated to be less than 500 when US invaded Iraq. After a year they were
over 5000. Now we estimate their numbers to be over 25000.

Faluja is not a strategic city in military terms, but has important symbolic
value. So controlling it is more important for the Americans than the
insurgents. We'll have to wait and see how this symbolism will play itself
out. It could actually blow up in American's face. That would be a bad thing!

Stat.

> Tony
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Dani

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Nov 24, 2004, 1:36:58 PM11/24/04
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Dani

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Nov 24, 2004, 2:25:26 PM11/24/04
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MonsieurStat

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Nov 26, 2004, 12:15:15 AM11/26/04
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"R. Foreman" <eid...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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I think they will go hand in hand. As US sinks deeper in economic fiasco,
they will try to further militarize the economy which means more wars.
Stat.

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R. Foreman

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Nov 26, 2004, 7:31:30 AM11/26/04
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsi...@yahoo.com> Spat the Words

>>> EXACTLY!
>>> And we all know what's coming next, so just put on your seat-belts and
>>> stock up on batteries for the remote controle. We got a HELL of a LOT
>>> more WAR to watch!
>>
>> We might see some bombardment, but doubtful we'll see any
>> more ground invasions. Our troops are stretched thin, and
>> we have no international support.
>>
>> The next fireworks coming up are going to be economic in
>> nature. Bush is going to deny there's a problem right up
>> to when the dam breaks.
>
> I think they will go hand in hand. As US sinks deeper in economic fiasco,
> they will try to further militarize the economy which means more wars.
> Stat.

Perhaps. Massive military spending sometimes works to get an
economy out of a slump, like what happened with Germany in
WWII. Our situation is different though. We already spend
massively on military and related defense research. An
entire large segment of our economy is based on that.

I don't know what the catalyst will be. The changing exchange
rates will favor US businesses at first and other foreign
economies (except maybe Japan) will suffer. Our gov't continues
to go more deeply into debt. The farther along we go, the less
of a 'shove' it will take to cause the house of cards to
collapse.

TonyZ2001

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Nov 27, 2004, 10:24:18 AM11/27/04
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>"R. Foreman" >eid...@anti-spam.comcast.net
wrote:

> Our gov't continues
>to go more deeply into debt. The farther >along we go, the less
>of a 'shove' it will take to cause the house >of cards to collapse.

Just how hard do you hope for this too happen?

Tony


Michael Johnathan McDonald

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Nov 27, 2004, 3:38:23 PM11/27/04
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"R. Foreman" <eid...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Xns95AD383419F6Arr...@204.127.204.17>...

> "MonsieurStat" <Monsi...@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
>
>
> >>> EXACTLY!
> >>> And we all know what's coming next, so just put on your seat-belts and
> >>> stock up on batteries for the remote controle. We got a HELL of a LOT
> >>> more WAR to watch!
> >>
> >> We might see some bombardment, but doubtful we'll see any
> >> more ground invasions. Our troops are stretched thin, and
> >> we have no international support.
> >>
> >> The next fireworks coming up are going to be economic in
> >> nature. Bush is going to deny there's a problem right up
> >> to when the dam breaks.
> >
> > I think they will go hand in hand. As US sinks deeper in economic fiasco,
> > they will try to further militarize the economy which means more wars.
> > Stat.
>
> Perhaps. Massive military spending sometimes works to get an
> economy out of a slump, like what happened with Germany in
> WWII.


Do you understand economics or are you just learning this at your
advanced age? ever hear of spoils?

R. Foreman

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Nov 28, 2004, 2:06:05 AM11/28/04
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abook...@yahoo.com (Michael Johnathan McDonald) Spat the Words


>>
>> Perhaps. Massive military spending sometimes works to get an
>> economy out of a slump, like what happened with Germany in
>> WWII.
>
>
> Do you understand economics or are you just learning this at your
> advanced age? ever hear of spoils?


No, tell me about spoils, Mikey. This is something you just
learned in one of your classes?


tw

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Nov 29, 2004, 5:39:29 AM11/29/04
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"R. Foreman" <eid...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Hee hee.. this shoudl be fun. Hopefuylly it's as good as his "DU are
actually HEAT rounds" hilarity,


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