The prophet "Stormberger"
teresa_davies
On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:30:29 -0400, Brian Ghilliotti
<BAG9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu> wrote:
I did a search for Stormberger on the Net, and found nothing!
>The following excerpts were taken from John Hogue's updated version of
>the _Millenium Book of Prophecy_.
>
>Looking thruough it I came across an 18th century prophet whose name was
>only given as "Stormberger". This particular prophet caught my attention
>because he seemed to be the most straight forward and unambigious
>prophet that I am aware of.
>
>John Hogue gives the following biographical sketch of "Stormberger":
>
>"Two centuries ago those dwelling in the Bavarian forests of Germany
>along the 'present day' border of 'Czechoslovakia' might chance upon a
>solitary cowherd with the uncanny talent of throwing a disturbingly
>accurate prediction or two across their path. His contemporaries might
>listen in disbelief to his wild and morose nightmares of our cenury and
>the apocalyptic decades to come."
>
>"His utterances have been verified and written about by numerous
>Austrian and Bavarian prophecy scholars, but many of the documents,
>pamphlets, and books they wrote were condemned to the furnaces by the
>Nazis in 1934."
>
>"Hitler's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebels, was no doubt angered by
>Stormberger's anti Nazi premonitions about the war's disastrous results
>for Hitlerian Germany. Enough fragments surrvive to prove that he was
>one of the most frank and accurate seers of all time. He foresaw the
>invention of cars, trains, and aircraft. He augured the very day WW1
>would begin, as well as its length (four years), and the infernal
>weapons of mustard gas, mines, and tanks. Stormberger predicted the
>Great Depression, Facist dictators, the division of Germany, and future
>inflationary trends. We might view him with as much hostility as his
>contemporaries did for his country bumpkin bluntness concerning our own
>future: he declared that not one but three world wars will punctuate our
>century. The one after the Cold War is predicted to be the worst."
>
>Here are some of his forfilled predictions that Hogue offers us:
>
>Railroads, Cars, and Planes
>"Iron roads will be built, and iron monsters will bark through the
>wilderness. Cars [did the word 'car' exsist in German during the 18th
>century?] without horses and shaft will come, and men will fly though
>the air like birds."
>
>World War 1
>"When in the outskirts of the forest the iron road will be finished, and
>there the iron horse will be seen, a war will begin, to last for twice
>two years. It will be fought with iron fortresses that move without
>horses, and with powers that come from the earth and fall from the sky."
>
>According to Hogue: "The day WW1 began was pinpointed two centuries
>before it happened by a simple and reclusive cowherd in the Bavarian
>forests bordering Czechoslovakia. On Aug. 1, 1914, a new railroad line
>between Kalteneck and Deggendorf (running on the edge of Stormberger's
>forest) officially opened -the day hostilities began. The war did last
>four years and saw the introduction of terrible new weapons such as
>mines "from the earth", poison gas "falling from the sky" and tanks
>-"iron fortresses" that move.
>
>1929: The Stock Market Crash
>"Right after this horrible war there will come a time when money will
>have no value. For 200 guilders not even a loaf of bread will be
>available, and yet there shall be no famine. Money will be made of iron,
>and gold shall become so valuable that for a few gold coins a small farm
>can be bought."
>
>Hogue makes the following comment: "After WW1 Germany experienced a
>catastrophic economic depression. For a time, the German mark was almost
>worthless, inspiring the more eccentric to paper their walls with bank
>notes. Stormberger had prophesied the use of baser metals for the
>minting of money and inflation two hundred years before anyone had a
>clue about such things, let alone an 18th century cowherd."
>
>The Interval Between World Wars
>"Two or three decades after the first great war wil come a second, still
>greater war. Almost all nations of the world will be involved. Millions
>of men will die, without being soldiers. Fire will fall from the sky and
>many great ciites will be destroyed."
>
>
>The Prophecy for WW3
>"And after the second great struggle between the nations will come a
>third universal conflagration, which will determine everything. There
>will be entirely new weapons. In one day more men will die than in all
>previous wars combined. Battles will be fought with artificial guns
>[lasers, radar beams?]. Gigantic catastrophes will occur. With open eyes
>will the nations of the Earth enter into these catastophes. They shall
>not be aware of what is happening, and those who will know and tell,
>will be silenced. Everything will become different than before, and in
>many places the Earth wil be a great cemetery. The third great war will
>be the end of many nations."
>
>This sounds very similiar to my intuitive vision of what the Third World
>Conflagration will be like.
>
>I tried to find additional sources of information on this prophet, but a
>search through the library catalog databases yielded only one book
>-written in German. Therefore it won't be of much use to me since I
>can't read German.
>
>So,
>
>1. How much material about Stormberger has surrvived the Nazis and other
>forces of destruction that Time has unleased?
>
>2. Are there any surrviving publications (in print or out of print) that
>deal with this prophet and his predictions -written in English? If not,
>are there atleast additional books that can be recommened which atleast
>*partially* cover this prophet and his predictions -writtn in English?
>
>If there are none, then I propose that some research (and translating)
>be done for a book which covers this prophet.
>
>If you have any info regarding these questions that you feel can be of
>any help, or if you have any comments that you would like to add, please
>e mail directly since I will be away for a couple of weeks. Thank you.
>
>Regards,
>Brian Ghilliotti
Alex
On Sat, 09 Aug 1997 23:48:18 GMT, Teresa Davies wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:30:29 -0400, Brian Ghilliotti
><BAG9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu> wrote:
>
>I did a search for Stormberger on the Net, and found nothing!
dito. Not even on the german Web Pages.
>
>
>
>
>>The following excerpts were taken from John Hogue's updated version of
>>the _Millenium Book of Prophecy_.
I bet it has a nuclear Explosion on the cover ;-)
>>
>>Looking thruough it I came across an 18th century prophet whose name was
>>only given as "Stormberger". This particular prophet caught my attention
>>because he seemed to be the most straight forward and unambigious
>>prophet that I am aware of.
His name was Matthias Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he had the
Nickname: "Mühlhiasl"
>>
>>John Hogue gives the following biographical sketch of "Stormberger":
>>
>>"Two centuries ago those dwelling in the Bavarian forests of Germany
>>along the 'present day' border of 'Czechoslovakia' might chance upon a
>>solitary cowherd with the uncanny talent of throwing a disturbingly
>>accurate prediction or two across their path. His contemporaries might
>>listen in disbelief to his wild and morose nightmares of our cenury and
>>the apocalyptic decades to come."
His hometown was Zwickel in the middle of the bavarian Forest close to
Passau. Still famous for the beer (very strong, tasty and it doesn't
give you a hangover the next day ;-)
But there are at least three Versions where he came from and what his
real name was.
1. His real name was Matthias Lang and he was monastery miller thru
Apoig part of the weiland Praemonstratenser-Stiftes.
2. Everybody was calling him Muehlhiasl but his real name was
Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he was herdsman and ashburner at
Rabenstein (close to Zwickel)
3. He was both monastery miller and ashburner. A prophet with changing
adresses.
You can get more Information (in german) about Zwickel on the
following Web-Pages:
http://zitnet.com/bayerwald/orte/94227_z.htm
http://www.br-online.de/bayern/buerger/tour/btou2901.htm
Remark: The ash was needet at this time for the glas industrie which
still exists today.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>The Prophecy for WW3
>>"And after the second great struggle between the nations will come a
>>third universal conflagration, which will determine everything. There
>>will be entirely new weapons. In one day more men will die than in all
>>previous wars combined. Battles will be fought with artificial guns
>>[lasers, radar beams?]. Gigantic catastrophes will occur. With open eyes
>>will the nations of the Earth enter into these catastophes. They shall
>>not be aware of what is happening, and those who will know and tell,
>>will be silenced. Everything will become different than before, and in
>>many places the Earth wil be a great cemetery. The third great war will
>>be the end of many nations."
>>
>>This sounds very similiar to my intuitive vision of what the Third World
>>Conflagration will be like.
His predictions where not this much straightforward. There are more
like short sentences (Methaphern):
"Und wenn auf dem Zwieseler Kirchturm die Bäume armdicke Stämme haben,
kommt eine schlimme Zeit"
"And if the Trees on top of the Churchtower are thick as a arm a bad
time is comming"
The trees where arm thick and removed 1939 when the second World War
startet.
One of his End-Time predictions was:
"Alle Staedte werden totenstill, auf dem Wiener Stephansplatz waechst
Dill."
"All Towns are going to be sillent. On the Wiener Stephansplace is
growing Dill"
It's a rhyme in german.
>>
>>I tried to find additional sources of information on this prophet, but a
>>search through the library catalog databases yielded only one book
>>-written in German. Therefore it won't be of much use to me since I
>>can't read German.
What is the Title of this book?
There must be more than one because he is still famous. Searching the
Web I found two book titles (unfortunatly both german).
'Die Strafe der Moenche" - Reinhard Haller (1994) Morsak-Verlag
The second is a CD also Dealing with Nostradamus, Daniel ...
Mysterium - ISBN: 3-8032-8910-6 (Windows)
Ther must be also one or more Books from
Xaver Hirtreiter
Mybe you should try to look for titles under:
Mühlhiasl
>>
>>So,
>>
>>1. How much material about Stormberger has surrvived the Nazis and other
>>forces of destruction that Time has unleased?
Bad germans. But Stormberger has never writen a book himself. All was
passed on from mouth to mouth. He and his predictions are still well
known in Zwickel.
>><snip>
Alexander Herrmann
I attached a artikle which I found in the Süddeutsche Zeitung, dated
05 Januar 1994.
Alex
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Alex
On Sat, 09 Aug 1997 23:48:18 GMT, Teresa Davies wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:30:29 -0400, Brian Ghilliotti
><BAG9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu> wrote:
>
>I did a search for Stormberger on the Net, and found nothing!
dito. Not even on the german Web Pages.
>
>
>
>
>>The following excerpts were taken from John Hogue's updated version of
>>the _Millenium Book of Prophecy_.
I bet it has a nuclear Explosion on the cover ;-)
>>
>>Looking thruough it I came across an 18th century prophet whose name was
>>only given as "Stormberger". This particular prophet caught my attention
>>because he seemed to be the most straight forward and unambigious
>>prophet that I am aware of.
His name was Matthias Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he had the
Nickname: "Mühlhiasl"
>>
>>John Hogue gives the following biographical sketch of "Stormberger":
>>
>>"Two centuries ago those dwelling in the Bavarian forests of Germany
>>along the 'present day' border of 'Czechoslovakia' might chance upon a
>>solitary cowherd with the uncanny talent of throwing a disturbingly
>>accurate prediction or two across their path. His contemporaries might
>>listen in disbelief to his wild and morose nightmares of our cenury and
>>the apocalyptic decades to come."
His hometown was Zwickel in the middle of the bavarian Forest close to
Passau. Still famous for the beer (very strong, tasty and it doesn't
give you a hangover the next day ;-)
But there are at least three Versions where he came from and what his
real name was.
1. His real name was Matthias Lang and he was monastery miller thru
Apoig part of the weiland Praemonstratenser-Stiftes.
2. Everybody was calling him Muehlhiasl but his real name was
Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he was herdsman and ashburner at
Rabenstein (close to Zwickel)
3. He was both monastery miller and ashburner. A prophet with changing
adresses.
You can get more Information (in german) about Zwickel on the
following Web-Pages:
http://zitnet.com/bayerwald/orte/94227_z.htm
http://www.br-online.de/bayern/buerger/tour/btou2901.htm
Remark: The ash was needet at this time for the glas industrie which
still exists today.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>The Prophecy for WW3
>>"And after the second great struggle between the nations will come a
>>third universal conflagration, which will determine everything. There
>>will be entirely new weapons. In one day more men will die than in all
>>previous wars combined. Battles will be fought with artificial guns
>>[lasers, radar beams?]. Gigantic catastrophes will occur. With open eyes
>>will the nations of the Earth enter into these catastophes. They shall
>>not be aware of what is happening, and those who will know and tell,
>>will be silenced. Everything will become different than before, and in
>>many places the Earth wil be a great cemetery. The third great war will
>>be the end of many nations."
>>
>>This sounds very similiar to my intuitive vision of what the Third World
>>Conflagration will be like.
His predictions where not this much straightforward. There are more
like short sentences (Methaphern):
"Und wenn auf dem Zwieseler Kirchturm die Bäume armdicke Stämme haben,
kommt eine schlimme Zeit"
"And if the Trees on top of the Churchtower are thick as a arm a bad
time is comming"
The trees where arm thick and removed 1939 when the second World War
startet.
One of his End-Time predictions was:
"Alle Staedte werden totenstill, auf dem Wiener Stephansplatz waechst
Dill."
"All Towns are going to be sillent. On the Wiener Stephansplace is
growing Dill"
It's a rhyme in german.
>>
>>I tried to find additional sources of information on this prophet, but a
>>search through the library catalog databases yielded only one book
>>-written in German. Therefore it won't be of much use to me since I
>>can't read German.
What is the Title of this book?
There must be more than one because he is still famous. Searching the
Web I found two book titles (unfortunatly both german).
'Die Strafe der Moenche" - Reinhard Haller (1994) Morsak-Verlag
The second is a CD also Dealing with Nostradamus, Daniel ...
Mysterium - ISBN: 3-8032-8910-6 (Windows)
Ther must be also one or more Books from
Xaver Hirtreiter
And also:
Jan van Helsing - Der 3. Weltkrieg Ewert Verlag
Mybe you should try to look for titles under:
Mühlhiasl
>>
>>So,
>>
>>1. How much material about Stormberger has surrvived the Nazis and other
>>forces of destruction that Time has unleased?
Alex
I found three more Books (all in german):
1. Autor: Silver, Jules
Titel: Prophezeiungen bis zur Schwelle des 3. Jahrtausends.
Untertitel: 1 Mühlhiasl 'Der Waldprophet' / 2 Alte und neue
Prophezeiungen / 3 Aus dem Oracula Sibyllina.
Abb.: 12 Abb. im Text
Seitenzahl: 235 S.
Zugang/Nachtr.: 7.1974
Ersch.-Jahr: 1980
Auflage: 3. A.
Gewicht: 494 g
Einband: Kst
Preis: DM 35,00
ISBN: 3-7205-1099-9
LIBRI-Nr.: 3095169
Verlag: ARISTON VERLAG
2. Autor: Böckl, Manfred
Titel: Mühlhiasl. Der Seher von Rabenstein.
Gattung: Roman.
Seitenzahl: 267 S.
Zugang/Nachtr.: 14.08.91
Ersch.-Jahr: 10.1991
Gewicht: 374 g
Einband: Ln
Preis: DM 29,80
ISBN: 3-89682-988-2
LIBRI-Nr.: 6779360
Verlag: NEUE PRESSE VERLAGS GMBH
Schlagwort: Deutsche Literatur / Belletristik / Historische
Romane
Schlagwort: Mühlhiasl
The third one is comming in November this year
3. Autor: Böckl, Manfred
Titel: Mühlhiasl. (NZ)
Untertitel: Die Weissagungen des Sehers vom Rabenstein. (Tb)
Gattung: Roman.
Seitenzahl: 267 S.
Zugang/Nachtr.: 16.05.97
Ersch.-Jahr: 11.1997
Meldeschlüssel: 111 erscheint November 1997
Einband: Kt
TBA-Kürzel: AUF
Preis: DM 16,90
ISBN: 3-7466-1292-6
LIBRI-Nr.: 3172660
Reihe: Aufbau Taschenbücher
Reihen-Bandnr.: 1292
Verlag: AUFBAU TASCHENBUCH VERLAG
Schlagwort: Deutsche Literatur / Belletristik / Historische
Romane
Schlagwort: Mühlhiasl
Alex
Doug Taylor
In article <33E9F8...@uconnvm.uconn.edu>,
Brian Ghilliotti <BAG9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu> wrote:
>2. Are there any surrviving publications (in print or out of print) that
>deal with this prophet and his predictions -written in English? If not,
>are there atleast additional books that can be recommened which atleast
>*partially* cover this prophet and his predictions -writtn in English?
I asked someone who does library research stuff (Mark Hammons, if some
of you old-timers remember him) about this after I saw your post, Brian,
and he said that, according to his source (OCLC and RLIN), Hogue's
reference appears to be the sole English publication. Sorry.
--
Doug Taylor | Nothing real can be threatened.
The Ohio State University | Nothing unreal exists.
doug-t...@osu.edu | - A Course in Miracles
Alex
On Sat, 09 Aug 1997 23:48:18 GMT, Teresa Davies wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:30:29 -0400, Brian Ghilliotti
><BAG9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu> wrote:
>
>I did a search for Stormberger on the Net, and found nothing!
dito. Not even on the german Web Pages.
>
>
>
>
>>The following excerpts were taken from John Hogue's updated version of
>>the _Millenium Book of Prophecy_.
I bet it has a nuclear Explosion on the cover ;-)
>>
>>Looking thruough it I came across an 18th century prophet whose name was
>>only given as "Stormberger". This particular prophet caught my attention
>>because he seemed to be the most straight forward and unambigious
>>prophet that I am aware of.
His name was Matthias Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he had the
Nickname: "Mühlhiasl"
>>
>>John Hogue gives the following biographical sketch of "Stormberger":
>>
>>"Two centuries ago those dwelling in the Bavarian forests of Germany
>>along the 'present day' border of 'Czechoslovakia' might chance upon a
>>solitary cowherd with the uncanny talent of throwing a disturbingly
>>accurate prediction or two across their path. His contemporaries might
>>listen in disbelief to his wild and morose nightmares of our cenury and
>>the apocalyptic decades to come."
His hometown was Zwickel in the middle of the bavarian Forest close to
Passau. Still famous for the beer (very strong, tasty and it doesn't
give you a hangover the next day ;-)
But there are at least three Versions where he came from and what his
real name was.
1. His real name was Matthias Lang and he was monastery miller thru
Apoig part of the weiland Praemonstratenser-Stiftes.
2. Everybody was calling him Muehlhiasl but his real name was
Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he was herdsman and ashburner at
Rabenstein (close to Zwickel)
3. He was both monastery miller and ashburner. A prophet with changing
adresses.
You can get more Information (in german) about Zwickel on the
following Web-Pages:
http://zitnet.com/bayerwald/orte/94227_z.htm
http://www.br-online.de/bayern/buerger/tour/btou2901.htm
Remark: The ash was needet at this time for the glas industrie which
still exists today.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>The Prophecy for WW3
>>"And after the second great struggle between the nations will come a
>>third universal conflagration, which will determine everything. There
>>will be entirely new weapons. In one day more men will die than in all
>>previous wars combined. Battles will be fought with artificial guns
>>[lasers, radar beams?]. Gigantic catastrophes will occur. With open eyes
>>will the nations of the Earth enter into these catastophes. They shall
>>not be aware of what is happening, and those who will know and tell,
>>will be silenced. Everything will become different than before, and in
>>many places the Earth wil be a great cemetery. The third great war will
>>be the end of many nations."
>>
>>This sounds very similiar to my intuitive vision of what the Third World
>>Conflagration will be like.
His predictions where not this much straightforward. There are more
like short sentences (Methaphern):
"Und wenn auf dem Zwieseler Kirchturm die Bäume armdicke Stämme haben,
kommt eine schlimme Zeit"
"And if the Trees on top of the Churchtower are thick as a arm a bad
time is comming"
The trees where arm thick and removed 1939 when the second World War
startet.
One of his End-Time predictions was:
"Alle Staedte werden totenstill, auf dem Wiener Stephansplatz waechst
Dill."
"All Towns are going to be sillent. On the Wiener Stephansplace is
growing Dill"
It's a rhyme in german.
>>
>>I tried to find additional sources of information on this prophet, but a
>>search through the library catalog databases yielded only one book
>>-written in German. Therefore it won't be of much use to me since I
>>can't read German.
What is the Title of this book?
There must be more than one because he is still famous. Searching the
Web I found two book titles (unfortunatly both german).
'Die Strafe der Moenche" - Reinhard Haller (1994) Morsak-Verlag
The second is a CD also Dealing with Nostradamus, Daniel ...
Mysterium - ISBN: 3-8032-8910-6 (Windows)
Ther must be also one or more Books from
Xaver Hirtreiter
And also:
Jan van Helsing - Der 3. Weltkrieg Ewert Verlag
Mybe you should try to look for titles under:
Mühlhiasl
>>
>>So,
>>
>>1. How much material about Stormberger has surrvived the Nazis and other
>>forces of destruction that Time has unleased?
Bad germans. But Stormberger has never writen a book himself. All was
passed on from mouth to mouth. He and his predictions are still well
known in Zwickel.
>><snip>
Alexander Herrmann
Marinos J. Yannikos
In article <5sq5v3$itk$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Doug Taylor wrote:
>Brian Ghilliotti <BAG9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu> wrote:
>
>>2. Are there any surrviving publications (in print or out of print) that
>>deal with this prophet and his predictions -written in English? If not,
>>are there atleast additional books that can be recommened which atleast
>>*partially* cover this prophet and his predictions -writtn in English?
>
>I asked someone who does library research stuff (Mark Hammons, if some
>of you old-timers remember him) about this after I saw your post, Brian,
>and he said that, according to his source (OCLC and RLIN), Hogue's
>reference appears to be the sole English publication. Sorry.
It seems very unlikely that such a prophet ever existed. The name itself
sounds like something a native English speaker would come up with if he
wanted to invent such a story, since the word "Storm" isn't very common
in german names. I don't know how credible Hogue is, but you should be
aware of the fact that especially in literature about mysticism, UFOlogy
etc. it is very common to take a few rumours, some vague historical
facts and a lot of imagination and write a thrilling book for people
who crave for that sort of thing.
-nino
--
Please change the last part of my address to "at" if you're replying by mail.
Krehbiel, Hanns
> >>Looking thruough it I came across an 18th century prophet whose name wa=
s
> >>only given as "Stormberger". This particular prophet caught my attentio=
n
> >>because he seemed to be the most straight forward and unambigious
> >>prophet that I am aware of.
> His name was Matthias Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he had the
> 2. Everybody was calling him Muehlhiasl but his real name was
> Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he was herdsman and ashburner at =
Stormberger sounds very un-Bavarian, even un-German to me. If he called
himself Stoaberger then his name in Hochdeutsch writing was probably
Steinberger.
Mark Hammons
Krehbiel, Hanns wrote:
>
> > His name was Matthias Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he had the
> > Nickname: "Mühlhiasl"
> > Stormberger (or Stoaberger) and he was herdsman and ashburner at
> himself Stoaberger then his name in Hochdeutsch writing was probably
> Steinberger.
His name has two other variations in the world catalog:
:: Der Starnberger
:: Sturmberger
He was apparently named after the little town he came from near Bayer.
Mark
John Gruber
In article <33ed01a8...@news.sk.sympatico.ca>, Teresa Davies wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:30:29 -0400, Brian Ghilliotti
> <BAG9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu> wrote:
>
> I did a search for Stormberger on the Net, and found nothing!
...and that's the way it should be. Since I have never heard of a
STORMBERGER in all my life, but years ago knew in Austria a family by the
name of STROMBERGER.
....Land der Berge, Land der Strome.....etc.
Try Stromberger and let me know what shakes out.
Feadl
--
jgr...@cadvision.com
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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