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JTEM is Magic
Mar 31, 2021, 1:39:35 AM3/31/21
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Steven Douglas wrote:
> You believe that the
I believe in the multiverse. No, I haven't determined
it with advanced mathematics or careful scientific
experiments. Nope. Not me. I've arrived at the
multiverse as the answer using logic.
Sounds pathetic, right? But that's how I land on the
multiverse square: Rolling logic!
And for me it all comes down to time. Time was
always the problem, it made everything illogical...
We perceive things as occurring in specific points
in time but time is relative. Not only is it theoretically
possible for us to move in/at slightly different time
frames from each other but some assure us that we
already do. It's all just so infinitesimally small, this
difference in time, that none of us could perceive it
much less measure/document it.
And of course astronauts in, traveling very fast, do
experience time at measurably different rates... and
when we start talking about aliens clear across the
universe these differences start to get enormous.
And it gets worse.
Einstein demonstrated for us that the universe doesn't
even need time. That, with Simultaneity things could all
have happened at once, and it's just our individual
perspectives that make it appear to us that they all happen
at different times from each other and different times for
all of us.
AND THEN there's the fact that nobody can exclude time
travel from a realm of possibilities, regardless of how
unlike it may be or even impossible at our current state of
advancement, which creates outright paradoxes... Like the
famous Grandfather Paradox where you go back in time &
murder off grandad before your dad was born, stopping you
from ever going back in time which allows you to go back
in time which stops you from going back which lets you go
back...
Time sucks.
The multiverse, though, clears that all up. It says that time
as we perceive it is an illusion. That, EVERYTHING was
created all at once. That, every potential outcome to
EVERYTHING all came into being at once. Every potential
version of tomorrow exists and has always existed and
will always exist. Our perceptions matter NOT because we
create outcomes but because we choose amongst them.
The outcomes we do not select still exist. We simply do not
experience them. (Maybe we do, but for discussing time and
why I embraced the multiverse let's keep it simple, say that
we don't).
This DOES fit visualizing/manifesting but it fits mainstream
traditional belief sets at all -- albeit to varying degrees.
IF every potential tomorrow exists AND we can and do
influence which version we will experience, it is logical that
methods could be determined for selecting the more
desirable versions.
I think the first time I was introduced to this concept they
were calling it "Sliding" after the TV series "Sliders," where a
group of characters "Slid" between versions of reality.
"Quantum Leap" was another show based on such a
concept, and I believe I saw people talking about it in
reference to that show as well.
I can't say I invested a great deal of thought at the time but
one thing I recall is someone saying you could only move
to a universe immediately adjacent to the present. And this
meant that it would be very very similar to our own. So, like,
if your leg was chewed off by a ravenous mule you couldn't
just "slide" into the next universe and get your leg back. You'd
have to make many, many "slides" before that could happen.
It was a little confusing.
It did not hold my interest long enough to connect it to the
multiverse concept, as the multiverse was about potentiality,
usually called the wave function and usually depicted as a
some form of bell curve illustrating that some potentialities
are greater than others.
AND, I love experimenting. I love testing ideas. This is why I
"Visualize" really big things, thinking that if they "Manifest"
this proves the claim. Right?
So my "Belief" is in the multiverse. That's my belief. Not
particularly exotic, sorry, but there it is.
My interesting in "Manifesting" is the furthest thing from
believing an intelligent being is listening to our wishes and
deciding whether to grant them or not. The multiverse
doesn't exclude God but it changes the dynamic from ships
captain, steering us on course, to, idunno, maybe chief
engineer? Booking agent?
I don't know.
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Steven Douglas
Apr 2, 2021, 1:12:01 AM4/2/21
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On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 10:39:35 PM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > You believe that the "universe" will magically manifest things for
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > you, but you refuse to accept even the possibility that Jesus ever
> > existed. That's such a shame, because you're cutting yourself off
> > from many blessings.
>
> "Quantum Leap" was another show based on such a
> concept, and I believe I saw people talking about it in
> reference to that show as well.
I saw that show a few times, but I never really got into it.
> "Quantum Leap" was another show based on such a
> concept, and I believe I saw people talking about it in
> reference to that show as well.
>
> I can't say I invested a great deal of thought at the time but
> one thing I recall is someone saying you could only move
> to a universe immediately adjacent to the present. And this
> meant that it would be very very similar to our own. So, like,
> if your leg was chewed off by a ravenous mule you couldn't
> just "slide" into the next universe and get your leg back. You'd
> have to make many, many "slides" before that could happen.
>
> It was a little confusing.
Yes. One thing I have always wondered is why "we" would always
> I can't say I invested a great deal of thought at the time but
> one thing I recall is someone saying you could only move
> to a universe immediately adjacent to the present. And this
> meant that it would be very very similar to our own. So, like,
> if your leg was chewed off by a ravenous mule you couldn't
> just "slide" into the next universe and get your leg back. You'd
> have to make many, many "slides" before that could happen.
>
> It was a little confusing.
exist in any given universe, unless "we" had already died at some
earlier point in time in one universe or another. But why were "we"
always born in every universe, when it's entirely possible that one
of our parents or grandparents in some universes had died before
they had a chance to start a family? Which means "we" would not
have ever been born in some universes.
In fact, when you think about it, most of the people who are alive
right now in our world are not even existing in other universes.
They were never born there, because their parents or grandparents
or great-grandparents never existed. Is there some explanation for
this that I'm missing?
JTEM is Magic
Apr 2, 2021, 2:28:53 AM4/2/21
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Steven Douglas wrote:
> Yes. One thing I have always wondered is why "we" would always
> exist in any given universe, unless "we" had already died at some
> earlier point in time in one universe or another. But why were "we"
> always born in every universe, when it's entirely possible that one
> of our parents or grandparents in some universes had died before
> they had a chance to start a family? Which means "we" would not
> have ever been born in some universes.
>
> In fact, when you think about it, most of the people who are alive
> right now in our world are not even existing in other universes.
> They were never born there, because their parents or grandparents
> or great-grandparents never existed. Is there some explanation for
> this that I'm missing?
Sometimes these different versions of the universe are referred to
> Yes. One thing I have always wondered is why "we" would always
> exist in any given universe, unless "we" had already died at some
> earlier point in time in one universe or another. But why were "we"
> always born in every universe, when it's entirely possible that one
> of our parents or grandparents in some universes had died before
> they had a chance to start a family? Which means "we" would not
> have ever been born in some universes.
>
> In fact, when you think about it, most of the people who are alive
> right now in our world are not even existing in other universes.
> They were never born there, because their parents or grandparents
> or great-grandparents never existed. Is there some explanation for
> this that I'm missing?
as different "Timelines." It means the exact same thing -- moving
to different Timelines or Universes -- but it may help you to see the
issue with how people can be dead in one and alive in another.
In the famous Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment the cat is both
dead and alive. It exists in both states until an observation is made
and then the wave function collapses and the cat is set in one
particular state -- either dead or alive. In the Multiverse or "Different
Timelines" model there is a timeline were the cat is alive and a
timeline where the cat is dead. So in one timeline the cat survived
the experiment and went on to have kittens, while in another timeline
the cat died and you have to clean out the box it was in.
How do we choose one version of the universe over the other?
How do we enter the version of tomorrow where you're successful
and happy, however you want to define those things? How do we
avoid the one with the bad outcomes?
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Steven Douglas
Apr 2, 2021, 2:14:59 PM4/2/21
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On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 11:28:53 PM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > Yes. One thing I have always wondered is why "we" would always
> > exist in any given universe, unless "we" had already died at some
> > earlier point in time in one universe or another. But why were "we"
> > always born in every universe, when it's entirely possible that one
> > of our parents or grandparents in some universes had died before
> > they had a chance to start a family? Which means "we" would not
> > have ever been born in some universes.
> >
> > In fact, when you think about it, most of the people who are alive
> > right now in our world are not even existing in other universes.
> > They were never born there, because their parents or grandparents
> > or great-grandparents never existed. Is there some explanation for
> > this that I'm missing?
>
> Sometimes these different versions of the universe are referred to
> as different "Timelines." It means the exact same thing -- moving
> to different Timelines or Universes -- but it may help you to see the
> issue with how people can be dead in one and alive in another.
I understand that,, which is why I asked the question -- what if one of
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > Yes. One thing I have always wondered is why "we" would always
> > exist in any given universe, unless "we" had already died at some
> > earlier point in time in one universe or another. But why were "we"
> > always born in every universe, when it's entirely possible that one
> > of our parents or grandparents in some universes had died before
> > they had a chance to start a family? Which means "we" would not
> > have ever been born in some universes.
> >
> > In fact, when you think about it, most of the people who are alive
> > right now in our world are not even existing in other universes.
> > They were never born there, because their parents or grandparents
> > or great-grandparents never existed. Is there some explanation for
> > this that I'm missing?
>
> Sometimes these different versions of the universe are referred to
> as different "Timelines." It means the exact same thing -- moving
> to different Timelines or Universes -- but it may help you to see the
> issue with how people can be dead in one and alive in another.
your parents died (in another timeline) before your parents met in our
timeline? You would never have existed in the other timeline.
>
> In the famous Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment the cat is both
> dead and alive.
But the cat's kittens, who were born in one timeline, never existed in
> In the famous Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment the cat is both
> dead and alive.
the other timeline.
>
> It exists in both states until an observation is made
> and then the wave function collapses and the cat is set in one
> particular state -- either dead or alive. In the Multiverse or "Different
> Timelines" model there is a timeline were the cat is alive and a
> timeline where the cat is dead. So in one timeline the cat survived
> the experiment and went on to have kittens, while in another timeline
> the cat died and you have to clean out the box it was in.
And no kittens. Just as in my example above, you were never born in
> It exists in both states until an observation is made
> and then the wave function collapses and the cat is set in one
> particular state -- either dead or alive. In the Multiverse or "Different
> Timelines" model there is a timeline were the cat is alive and a
> timeline where the cat is dead. So in one timeline the cat survived
> the experiment and went on to have kittens, while in another timeline
> the cat died and you have to clean out the box it was in.
some timelines. So why do we assume that we were always born in
every other timeline? What if you're dreaming of a timeline where you
never existed? What if this is the ONLY timeline in which you exist?
>
> How do we choose one version of the universe over the other?
We don't. We live in this timeline because our parents did meet,
> How do we choose one version of the universe over the other?
and their parents met, and so on and so on. As I understand it, it
is impossible that there are other versions of us walking around
or already dead -- because we never existed in those timelines.
>
> How do we enter the version of tomorrow where you're successful
> and happy, however you want to define those things? How do we
> avoid the one with the bad outcomes?
I prefer to think of myself as blessed for having been born into our
> How do we enter the version of tomorrow where you're successful
> and happy, however you want to define those things? How do we
> avoid the one with the bad outcomes?
society rather than some hellhole in some other part of the world,
where they are fighting wars or fighting cartels and people around
the world are clamoring to come live where you live. Do you think
they would gladly trade places with you as you're reading this?
JTEM is Magic
Apr 2, 2021, 5:06:16 PM4/2/21
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Steven Douglas wrote:
> I understand that,, which is why I asked the question -- what if one of
> your parents died (in another timeline) before your parents met in our
> timeline? You would never have existed in the other timeline.
Exactly. You answered your own question.
> I understand that,, which is why I asked the question -- what if one of
> your parents died (in another timeline) before your parents met in our
> timeline? You would never have existed in the other timeline.
In some timelines one or both died. In some timelines one or both were
never born. In some timelines they never met. There could likely be
timelines where they hated it each other
> > In the famous Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment the cat is both
> > dead and alive.
> But the cat's kittens, who were born in one timeline, never existed in
> the other timeline.
One version of the universe -- one timeline -- for ever potential outcome.
> And no kittens. Just as in my example above, you were never born in
> some timelines. So why do we assume that we were always born in
> every other timeline?
much excludes such a possibility.
> What if you're dreaming of a timeline where you
> never existed? What if this is the ONLY timeline in which you exist?
few events/features which are not of any potential, and you've
successfully imagined a non-existing timeline.
But this can't be the only timeline a version of you exists within. That
would not be a potential.
> > How do we choose one version of the universe over the other?
> We don't.
> We live in this timeline because our parents did meet,
> and their parents met, and so on and so on.
for the here & now? What of all the potential tomorrows? How do we
select amongst the best, as we perceive them, while avoiding the
worst?
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Steven Douglas
Apr 3, 2021, 12:27:29 PM4/3/21
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On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 2:06:16 PM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > I understand that,, which is why I asked the question -- what if one of
> > your parents died (in another timeline) before your parents met in our
> > timeline? You would never have existed in the other timeline.
>
> Exactly. You answered your own question.
>
> In some timelines one or both died. In some timelines one or both were
> never born. In some timelines they never met. There could likely be
> timelines where they hated it each other
In our timeline, there have been thousands of generations of modern
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > I understand that,, which is why I asked the question -- what if one of
> > your parents died (in another timeline) before your parents met in our
> > timeline? You would never have existed in the other timeline.
>
> Exactly. You answered your own question.
>
> In some timelines one or both died. In some timelines one or both were
> never born. In some timelines they never met. There could likely be
> timelines where they hated it each other
humans. I'm assuming it's the same in all the other timelines where
modern humans exist?
If so, in order for there to be ANY other timeline where you exist, it
would have required thousands of generations of humans to find
the same partner in all the timelines, and have the same babies in
all the timelines until we get right down to your parents, who have
you.
If even ONE of your ancestors in all those thousands of generations
was missing because they died before they could start a family, you
would not exist in that timeline. What are the odds that there could
possibly be an identical version of you in any other timeline when
you factor in all the generations, and all the different people who
died and never had offspring in other timelines?
>
> > > In the famous Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment the cat is both
> > > dead and alive.
>
> > But the cat's kittens, who were born in one timeline, never existed in
> > the other timeline.
>
> Exactly.
>
> One version of the universe -- one timeline -- for ever potential outcome.
I think it's impossible that you (or I, or anyone) exist in any other timeline,
> > > In the famous Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment the cat is both
> > > dead and alive.
>
> > But the cat's kittens, who were born in one timeline, never existed in
> > the other timeline.
>
> Exactly.
>
> One version of the universe -- one timeline -- for ever potential outcome.
even if those timelines exist. If they do exist, and there are humans there,
they are not us.
JTEM is Magic
Apr 3, 2021, 3:48:39 PM4/3/21
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Steven Douglas wrote:
> In our timeline, there have been thousands of generations of modern
> humans. I'm assuming it's the same in all the other timelines where
> modern humans exist?
All? Of course not. The human race has been on the brink of extinction
> In our timeline, there have been thousands of generations of modern
> humans. I'm assuming it's the same in all the other timelines where
> modern humans exist?
many times. In some timelines humanity undoubtedly crossed the line
into oblivion.
> If so, in order for there to be ANY other timeline where you exist, it
> would have required thousands of generations of humans to find
> the same partner in all the timelines, and have the same babies in
> all the timelines until we get right down to your parents, who have
> you.
descendants within this timeline could be repeated verbatim in
thousands or millions or billions of times, and so might yours, though
they needed be within the same timelines.
Maybe within all the different timelines in which a version of me exists
a version of you could only be found within 20% of them. Or 10%. Or
maybe a version of you is only found in 2% of the timelines in which a
version of me is found..
> If even ONE of your ancestors in all those thousands of generations
> was missing because they died before they could start a family, you
> would not exist in that timeline.
> What are the odds that there could
> possibly be an identical version of you
differences, they could be so tiny, but they would be different.
> I think it's impossible that you (or I, or anyone) exist in any other timeline,
> even if those timelines exist. If they do exist, and there are humans there,
> they are not us.
that are alive & well in others. Schrodinger's Cat is dead here, giving birth
to kittens in other reality.
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Steven Douglas
Apr 3, 2021, 8:20:20 PM4/3/21
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On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 12:48:39 PM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > In our timeline, there have been thousands of generations of modern
> > humans. I'm assuming it's the same in all the other timelines where
> > modern humans exist?
>
> All? Of course not. The human race has been on the brink of extinction
> many times. In some timelines humanity undoubtedly crossed the line
> into oblivion.
I meant where modern humans are still existing.
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > In our timeline, there have been thousands of generations of modern
> > humans. I'm assuming it's the same in all the other timelines where
> > modern humans exist?
>
> All? Of course not. The human race has been on the brink of extinction
> many times. In some timelines humanity undoubtedly crossed the line
> into oblivion.
>
> > If so, in order for there to be ANY other timeline where you exist, it
> > would have required thousands of generations of humans to find
> > the same partner in all the timelines, and have the same babies in
> > all the timelines until we get right down to your parents, who have
> > you.
>
> Yes but it wouldn't have to be true of everyone. My same line of
> descendants within this timeline could be repeated verbatim in
> thousands or millions or billions of times,
If they're just repeating everything verbatim, what is the point?
> > If so, in order for there to be ANY other timeline where you exist, it
> > would have required thousands of generations of humans to find
> > the same partner in all the timelines, and have the same babies in
> > all the timelines until we get right down to your parents, who have
> > you.
>
> Yes but it wouldn't have to be true of everyone. My same line of
> descendants within this timeline could be repeated verbatim in
> thousands or millions or billions of times,
It almost sounds like there's a script for our timeline and their
timelines to follow, and we're all just playing our roles.
>
> and so might yours, though
> they needed be within the same timelines.
If they're repeating everything verbatim, then (assuming that
> and so might yours, though
> they needed be within the same timelines.
theory is correct) there are thousands or millions or billions of
me sitting at our computers and typing this out. If that's the
case, and they're all exactly me and experiencing everything I
am experiencing, what would be the point of wanting to switch
places with any of them?
>
> Maybe within all the different timelines in which a version of me exists
> a version of you could only be found within 20% of them. Or 10%. Or
> maybe a version of you is only found in 2% of the timelines in which a
> version of me is found..
Then I guess some of those versions of me are NOT repeating
> Maybe within all the different timelines in which a version of me exists
> a version of you could only be found within 20% of them. Or 10%. Or
> maybe a version of you is only found in 2% of the timelines in which a
> version of me is found..
what I'm doing verbatim, because they're not typing this out to
you right now.
>
> > If even ONE of your ancestors in all those thousands of generations
> > was missing because they died before they could start a family, you
> > would not exist in that timeline.
>
> We're just rehashing things we already acknowledged.
>
> > What are the odds that there could
> > possibly be an identical version of you
>
> Zero.
Thank you!
> > If even ONE of your ancestors in all those thousands of generations
> > was missing because they died before they could start a family, you
> > would not exist in that timeline.
>
> We're just rehashing things we already acknowledged.
>
> > What are the odds that there could
> > possibly be an identical version of you
>
> Zero.
>
> They would not be identical to me. You might not perceive the
> differences, they could be so tiny, but they would be different.
So it wouldn't be you. And in the case of other people down through
> They would not be identical to me. You might not perceive the
> differences, they could be so tiny, but they would be different.
the generations, it wouldn't be them and the person they married
wouldn't have been that person, and when you consider all the
generations of ancestors we're talking about, by the time it gets
to our generation we would be so different that we would not be
recognizable.
>
> > I think it's impossible that you (or I, or anyone) exist in any other timeline,
> > even if those timelines exist. If they do exist, and there are humans there,
> > they are not us.
>
> Yes.
Yes, that in those other worlds after all these generations, there is
> > I think it's impossible that you (or I, or anyone) exist in any other timeline,
> > even if those timelines exist. If they do exist, and there are humans there,
> > they are not us.
>
> Yes.
no one in any other timeline who would be the person they are in
our timeline.
>
> There would be people who died or were never born in this timeline
> that are alive & well in others.
All of them.
> There would be people who died or were never born in this timeline
> that are alive & well in others.
>
> Schrodinger's Cat is dead here, giving birth
> to kittens in other reality.
Schrodinger's Cat never existed in any other timeline, even if those
> Schrodinger's Cat is dead here, giving birth
> to kittens in other reality.
other timelines actually exist (which I doubt they do).
JTEM is Magic
Apr 3, 2021, 11:51:58 PM4/3/21
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Steven Douglas wrote:
> If they're just repeating everything verbatim
Nothing I nor anyone else has ever said on this topic may be
> If they're just repeating everything verbatim
construed as claiming that everything is just repeating.
> If they're repeating everything verbatim
> > Maybe within all the different timelines in which a version of me exists
> > a version of you could only be found within 20% of them. Or 10%. Or
> > maybe a version of you is only found in 2% of the timelines in which a
> > version of me is found..
> Then I guess some of those versions of me are NOT repeating
> what I'm doing verbatim
are?
> > They would not be identical to me. You might not perceive the
> > differences, they could be so tiny, but they would be different.
> So it wouldn't be you.
of who and what they are independent of what happens to them.
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