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startum

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Sometime back in the past "dustbird" posted this interpretation of
Quatrain 9.44

Migrate, migrate from Geneva, all of you
Saturn of gold will change to iron
The counter-raypoz will exterminate all
Before the event, there will be signs in the
sky.

He speculated this might refer future-wise to a super-colliding particle
accelerator at Geneva. The second line might refer to a ring accelerator
around Geneva. This idea has been independently updated, so to speak, by
James Blodgett at http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org. He proposes that the
physics experiment proposed for the Large Ion Collider at CERN in 2007 may
produce mini-black holes that could destroy the Earth. The black holes are
supposed to evaporate by Hawkings radiation, but noone knows if Hawkings
radiation exists. Perhaps these mini-black holes are the same as what Jack
Sarfatti calls "microsingularities." In his post May 2, 2004 on alt.
ufo.reports, Subject: "Hitler & KGB's Time Machines," he says these may be
produced by Cern's "big machine." If the world did end in 2007, then most of
Nostradamus' prophecies would probably go unfulfilled, so if this quatrain
does refer to CERN, then more likely some sort of harmful radiation would be
produced and get out of control.
But, on the other hand, Peter Lemusier's post of Feb 14, 2003, translates
the quatrain into modern French as:

"Flee! Flee Geneva, each and every one!
Saturn's pure gold shall into iron change -
The opposite! Charles shall wipe out each one.
Before he comes shall signs the sky derange."

Peter thinks Nostradamus was "wrongly anticipating an eventual attack by
the Emperor Charles V on the Protestant enclave at Geneva." The second line
would simply mean that a time of general bliss would change to a time of
general disaster. Raypoz is an anagram for Zopyra, and Zopyra or Zopyro was
"a pesudonym chosen by Charles V for one of his heraldic devices, after the
name of an ancient Persian hero."

I think Peter's interpretation is more plausible, although I wouldn't
entirely rule out the CERN one, at least not until 2007. But another thought
that occurs to me is that Zopyra, if an anagram of Raypoz, may refer to a
Persian warlord, and this would be consistent with the idea, promoted by
Lemusier in various of his books, that many of Nostradamu's quatrains refer
to a coming Muslim attack on Europe, especially affecting France, which
would probably be Nostradamus' main 'prophetic concern.' Although the dates
deduced from Nostradamus for such an invasion seem to have passed, still the
trend of Muslim emigration into various countries of Europe, even including
Ireland, is not inconsistent with such a thought.
My own thought is that if such an islamic european jihad develops, it
might be a punishment for the Holocaust. It seems peculiar that after the
brutal mistreatment and severe population reduction of the Jews in Germany,
Poland, and other countries, that a European Union should emerge, with
Germany as a major player, almost as if to say that Europe is doing better
(if not morally) without the Jews. I am not too familiar with the European
Union, European geography, nor muslim immigration statistics, but is the
European headquarters in Brussels, Belgium? That's not far from France, if
that means anything. However, if a muslim movement emerges to take over
European states by immigrations, and perhaps by foreign invasions, takes
place, then the christians and secular governments would be challenged much
as the christians and secular governments challenged the jews of Europe. The
Nazis were clearly a product of christian antisemitism in Europe, and Hitler
also created special muslim death-squads to kill jews, and
had a special relationship with Haj Amin al-Husseini, a paid Nazi agent, who
exported ideals of Nazi genocide into the post-war Middle East.
However, the idea of a muslim uprising and invasion in Europe as a
punishment for centuries of European christian antisemitism does not seem
consistent with Nostradamus' prophecies since, although France is supposed
to suffer heavily, Germany, to my smzall and fragmentary knowledge of
Nostradamus' quatrains, is hardly mentioned.


cesar

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"startum" <sta...@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote in message
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IX. 44.
Migres, migres de Genefue trestous,
Saturne d'or en fer se changera,
Le contre Raypoz exterminera tous,
Auant l'aruent le Ciel signes fera.


I believe Raypoz is an Anagram for Roy Paz, Prince of Peace. Therefore,
"le contre Raypoz" would mean "the Antichrist". Genève, might be in
reference to the Geneva Convention.

Leave, leave from Geneva almost all
Saturn of gold (peaceful plenty) will change to iron (war)
The Antichrist will exterminate all
Before the advent the there will be Signs in the sky.

Signs in the sky, like those lights in the skies of Iran?

cesar


Jean Guernon

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If you think that prophecies can be merely descriptions of events of the past
despite what Nostradamus said, you & Peter deserve each other.

J.

startum a écrit:

Claude Latremouille

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On Tue, 04 May 2004 21:56:09 GMT, "startum" <sta...@mail.anonymizer.com>
wrote about
*
C E N T V R I E___I X.
(édition prétendue de 1568)
*
X L I I I I.
Migres migre de Genesue trestous,

Saturne d'or en fer se changera,
Le contre R A Y P O Z exterminera tous,
Auant l'a ruent le ciel signes fera.
*
Which is how the text of IX-44 was published in the only original
edition Nostradamus ever saw.
*
The very anonymous writer is probably unable to read it, which
might explain why the original text is nowhere to be seen in his
post. And if he were able to read it, he would realize that the
poen is nothing but meaningful gobbledygook, i.e., a text whose
individual words make some sense (at least most of them) while
the poem itself makes no sense at all.
*
And, for no particular reason, the non-existent word R A Y P O Z
is printed in small capitals in the original.
*
As to line 1, there is no reason for the first "Migres" not to be
followed by another one; but the next one is spelled, for no
particular reason, "migre", no "s". Our missing "s" is embedded
in the word "Genesue". It could have been printed 'Geneue', but
was not. Line 2 is perfectly well constructed. In line 3, the
expression "Le contre R A Y P O Z" makes no sense at all. Same
for the expression "l'a ruent" in line 4.
*
This meaningful gobbledygook cannot possibly be translated into
English, as it makes no sense at all. But it was. By whom? By a
British translator whose business is to translate things.
*
Comparing the encyphered text of IX-44 with its decyphered
version, one can see in IX-44 a few obscure bits and pieces of
the puzzle, like something shall exterminate them all, like
beforehand, some indication of it shall be seen in the sky.
*
Putting two and two together, one gets the sense that something
leaving a trace of its passage in the sky -- like an ICBM for
instance -- shall carry a weapon of mass destruction
exterminating [3,000,000] people in [Paris].
*
No, R A Y P O Z is not a cryptic anagram for PARYS, unless one
changes the Z into an S, in which case it would be. But if you
start changing letters to get it to mean what you say it means,
then there is no end to it. So, let's leave the "Z" as it is.
*
Although moving around the letters of each line might yield the
solution to this meaningful gobbledygook, beware! If you start
doing this, you will discover the reason why Paris is nuked: it
is a mistake, following the slaughter in Tienanmen Square of the
entire US male diplomatic staff of the US embassy in Beijing (all
79 of them) by the Chinese Communist Revolution of August 13,
2017.
*
And when the US, intending to nuke Tienanmen, immediately
retaliates against Peking, Paris gets nuked. Why? Because Paris
comes just before Peking in the alphabetical order of a codebook
used by a much too nervous young soldier to target his missile.
He thinks he has correctly targeted Peking, but has in fact
targeted Paris. Ooops! Nobody notices, the missile is launched at
3:30 a.m. Paris time, and its warhead detonates over the Place de
la Concorde 23 minutes later, at 3:53 a.m.
*
With friends like this... who needs Ben Laden?!
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
=== cla...@torfree.net ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
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*** cj...@ncf.ca ** cj...@ncf.ca ***
C L A U D E L A T R E M O U I L L E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

startum

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"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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> If you think that prophecies can be merely descriptions of events of the
past
> despite what Nostradamus said, you & Peter deserve each other.

That's a good point, if I take it correctly. Peter wrote that in
Nostradamus' own time, the Muslims were invading Europe. As well, there were
other writings that seem to prophesy an Arab or Muslim invasion. Maybe they
were the equivalent of modern novels. But I am not sure if Nostradamus drew
on them, or they drew on Nostradamus.
But I had another thought. Instead of the modern Muslims striving to turn
europe into theocratic state(s) or declaring a jihad on Europe for whatever
reason - it seems a bit peculiar that they would be diverted from their
pathological emnity toward Israel, although the degraradation and
humiliation of the non-Muslim world is their religious goal - perhaps they
would offer positive and negative incentives for European states to support
a political and military campaign against Israel. Then both the Muslim world
and the European world could howl together.
It is not inconceivable although it seems very implausible that the whole
statified world could be persuaded to turn upon Israel in exchange for a
conditional end to terrorism, and ths could account for various jewish
prophecies that all nations would be gathered against them, although the
reference might be just to surrounding nations.
And as for Peter, I haven't seen his posts lately.


startum

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"Claude Latremouille" <cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 04 May 2004 21:56:09 GMT, "startum" <sta...@mail.anonymizer.com>
> wrote about
> *
> C E N T V R I E___I X.
> (édition prétendue de 1568)
> *
> X L I I I I.
> Migres migre de Genesue trestous,
> Saturne d'or en fer se changera,
> Le contre R A Y P O Z exterminera tous,
> Auant l'a ruent le ciel signes fera.
> *
> Which is how the text of IX-44 was published in the only original
> edition Nostradamus ever saw.
> *
> The very anonymous writer is probably unable to read it, which
> might explain why the original text is nowhere to be seen in his
> post.

Right. I can't read French. So I copied Peter's translation of 9.44 of
the original French, which he gives,and which is what you say it is. I
wasn't aware that the French doesn't make any sense. Hmm.

> With friends like this... who needs Ben Laden?!

How did you know?!

startum

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> IX. 44.
> Migres, migres de Genefue trestous,
> Saturne d'or en fer se changera,
> Le contre Raypoz exterminera tous,
> Auant l'aruent le Ciel signes fera.
>
>
> I believe Raypoz is an Anagram for Roy Paz, Prince of Peace. Therefore,
> "le contre Raypoz" would mean "the Antichrist".

Hey, that's an interesting idea! Obvious in retrospect, but I never
thought of it.

Genève, might be in
> reference to the Geneva Convention.
>
> Leave, leave from Geneva almost all
> Saturn of gold (peaceful plenty) will change to iron (war)
> The Antichrist will exterminate all
> Before the advent the there will be Signs in the sky.
>
> Signs in the sky, like those lights in the skies of Iran?

Hmm.
>
> cesar
>
>


Nova Carta

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If you think the Chinese are stupid enough to invoke a war between
themselves and the US by killing 79 diplomats you are mistaken. If you
think the US would nuke Peking because China killed a few of their
people you are mistaken. China will only go to war if she knows she
can win and the US has a similar disposition, even though they were
wrong with Vietnam and maybe now with Iraq.

Nova


On 5 May 2004 12:05:27 GMT, cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Claude

Nova Carta

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Firstly I am not a scientist so I speak from speculation. From what I
understand of the nature of black holes, they are formed by a
collapsed star and they are called black holes because the
gravitational pull of these objects is so great that not even light
can escape from them. So, to create a black hole anywhere in the
vicinity of our solar system would simply suck everything we know into
the size of maybe a pea or even smaller. That would be pretty
disastrous don't you think?

From what I understand of the theory of time travel the "black hole"
that is created to warp the time-space continuum is more a lesion or
tear. Since no-one (to my knowledge) has achieved this then the
results are unpredictable. Can this lesion be closed ? Perhaps the
lesion doesn't cater to time travel, but simply allows a short cut
through space. If this is the case then maybe Geneva will suddenly
disappear from earth and show up somewhere else in the universe.

As I said, just speculation but I wouldn't want to be there if it
happens, not to mention the effects on earth from the sudden loss of
billions of tons of matter. and who knows the gate might swing both
ways and we could end up with aliens wondering where the hell they are
and how the hell they got here.

Imagination is such a wonderful story teller.

Nova


On Tue, 04 May 2004 21:56:09 GMT, "startum"

Jean Guernon

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startum a écrit:

There is no correlation. They will invade Europe for power, to rule over the
women after they deport or kill all the men.

There is nothing inconceivable in that BTW, they are bound by beliefs that the
scholars put out (See
http://lexicorient.com/cgi-bin/eo-direct-frame.pl?http://i-cias.com/e.o/jihad.htm
for reference) falsely BTW, these are mere power trip false interpretations that
are like the lies they spew every day on their networks, they are not founded in
the Koran - but it doesn't matter, it is like with the virgins, they all believe
it is the truth, so for them it has been that way for centuries, it is not just
now that it is an imposed duty. Just that the world could protect itself from
them before Bin Laden organized the fight. It was bound to happen. But they are
the aggressors. They know they cannot justify this so they use lie to make the
victims the aggressors, just like without these Islamic terrorists.

Anyway, by virtue of this http://i-cias.com/e.o/jihad.htm precept, they are thus
compelled to fight Christians or Jews to the death, until they submit to
Muslims... In their eyes it means to conquer them. There is no way it cannot
lead to the third WW.

Do you understand that? You cannot change that site nor that belief, believe me
I tried. You think you are safe because you are Christian? LOL

Israel is nothing, a grain of sand, compared to the rest of the civilized world
they will destroy based on that principle. Israel will be welcomed one day, they
are semites too. The quatrain 8,96 is about Israel being welcomed by the
Muslims. It hasn't happened yet. Maybe the Passion of Christ will help them
understand that the Jews owned the place before them, who knows.

But the rest of the world, not so. In 20 years it will happen.


> And as for Peter, I haven't seen his posts lately.
>
>

Peter doesn't post here anymore. Not that there are too many people who are
unrelated here, he had a big plonk box, but he was debunked to the bone in all
his outraged theories in public, in front of the whole world, so he took the
group we made to protect him from the likes of Alef, and with tricks insured
only those who kiss his sorry ass remained there so they wallow with his
theories about Nostradamus being a fraud who stole stuff from past prophets. I
am sure he won't come back unless he start ripping off stuff from real exegetes
who say the prophecies are about the future because his denial of his shame
concerning Nostradamus is not for public display. But who knows, maybe he has none.

J.

cesar

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"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> There is no correlation. They will invade Europe for power, to rule over
the
> women after they deport or kill all the men.

Est tu malade? What bullshit. Muslims invading Europe? They can't even
invade their own streets! How are they going to do that? What's more
probable is that they will be so infuriorated by the humiliations the
Americans are perpetrating that they may simply mobilize by the millions and
push the occupying forces out by their sheer number. Nostradamus wrote:
devers la perse, bien pres d'un million...ver[itable] serp[ent] invadera
(from Persia, nearly one million, the real serpent will invade...) That is
a more likely scenario given the Sadam's old guard Gen. Saleh they
resurrected to counter Sadr's forces, setting the stage for a civil war
after the American withdrawal and the involvement of Iran. The future will
be more like the annihilation of Islamic countries by U.S. Airpower now that
they've learned the hard way that a ground assault doesn't work.

cesar


Claude Latremouille

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:58:53 GMT, "startum" <sta...@mail.anonymizer.com>
wrote about what
*

"Claude Latremouille" <cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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*
[...]

*
>> Although moving around the letters of each line might yield the
>> solution to this meaningful gobbledygook, beware! If you start
>> doing this, you will discover the reason why Paris is nuked: it
>> is a mistake, following the slaughter in Tienanmen Square of the
>> entire US male diplomatic staff of the US embassy in Beijing (all
>> 79 of them) by the Chinese Communist Revolution of August 13,
>> 2017.
>> *
>> And when the US, intending to nuke Tienanmen, immediately
>> retaliates against Peking, Paris gets nuked. Why? Because Paris
>> comes just before Peking in the alphabetical order of a codebook
>> used by a much too nervous young soldier to target his missile.
>> He thinks he has correctly targeted Peking, but has in fact
>> targeted Paris. Ooops! Nobody notices, the missile is launched at
>> 3:30 a.m. Paris time, and its warhead detonates over the Place de
>> la Concorde 23 minutes later, at 3:53 a.m.
>> With friends like this... who needs Ben Laden?!
>
> How did you know?!
*
Part of the answer to your question can be found at
*
>> http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
And if more information is needed, just ask away.

*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille

Claude Latremouille

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:07:50 GMT, Nova Carta <re...@newsgroup.net>
did not want his article to be archived...
*
>X-No-Archive: yes
*
...but nevertheless wrote:
*

>If you think the Chinese are stupid enough to invoke a war between
>themselves and the US by killing 79 diplomats you are mistaken. If you
>think the US would nuke Peking because China killed a few of their
>people you are mistaken. China will only go to war if she knows she
>can win and the US has a similar disposition, even though they were
>wrong with Vietnam and maybe now with Iraq.
>
>Nova
*
Hmmm, who said anything about China going to war?
*
Perhaps if you re-read the post, you might see that it refers to
a Chinese Communist Revolution, not to the very Chinese
Government who had just properly accredited these US diplomats to
Beijing.
*
As to what I may think of the texts I have found, I would say
that what I think about them does not change them. They are what
they are.
*
You had written:
*

If you think the Chinese are stupid enough to invoke a
war between themselves and the US by killing 79
diplomats you are mistaken.
*
As I have said, what I think has nothing to do with it. And there
is no war between 'the Chinese' and the US. It would seem that it
is you who is mistaken.
*
You had also written:
*

If you think the US would nuke Peking because China
killed a few of their people you are mistaken.
*
'China', as you say, does not kill 'a few' Americans. It is the
act of hard-line Communist Revolutionaries re-taking power in
China. And I would not call the slaughter, contrary to
international law, of all the male diplomatic staff of the US
Embassy in Beijing as the killing of a few people.
*
As I have said, what I think has nothing to do with it. And
neither you nor I are are seers/prophets, Nostradamus is. And
these future events were discovered in the decyphered texts of
Nostradamus' prophecies. For more on this, you might wish to
consult http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
As to what the US might do if anyone harms their diplomats, you
might remember that -- when Iran held hostage a large number of
US diplomats in Teheran (but you might be too young to remember
this), then President Carter let it be known to the Iranian
authorities that if harm should come to these hostages, the US
would retaliate with all of her military power. So, it would seem
that Nostradamus' prophecy about the US retaliation against
Tienanmen would be in keeping with this policy and that it is
you, once again, who is mistaken.

*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================

Jean Guernon

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cesar a écrit:

> "Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
> news:MGimc.14847966$Of.24...@news.easynews.com...
>
>>
>>There is no correlation. They will invade Europe for power, to rule over
>
> the
>
>>women after they deport or kill all the men.
>
>
> Est tu malade?

Nope. But you may be...

> What bullshit. Muslims invading Europe? They can't even

> invade their own streets! [snip]


Maybe you should study Nostradamus?

This is a Nostradamus group, you know. And there is no doubt that the third WW
will be a massive attack and incvasion of Europe that will start in 20 years.

Get a fucking clue.


J.

cesar

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"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> cesar a écrit:
>
> > "Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
> > news:MGimc.14847966$Of.24...@news.easynews.com...
> >
> >>
> >>There is no correlation. They will invade Europe for power, to rule over
> >
> > the
> >
> >>women after they deport or kill all the men.
> >
> >
> > Est tu malade?
>
> Nope. But you may be...

Yes, I am sick of reading your nonesense.

> > What bullshit. Muslims invading Europe? They can't even
> > invade their own streets! [snip]
>
>
> Maybe you should study Nostradamus?
>
> This is a Nostradamus group, you know. And there is no doubt that the
third WW
> will be a massive attack and incvasion of Europe that will start in 20
years.
>

>profanity snipped<
>

How about you posting the quatrains in question that you say point to
Muslims invading Europe? Quote Nostradamus and give us your interpretation.
Don't just say he said so.


cesar


Michael Johnathan McDonald

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cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Claude Latremouille) wrote in message news:<c7cg70$sj8$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>...


> >> And when the US, intending to nuke Tienanmen, immediately
> >> retaliates against Peking,


Claude , Peking is called Beijing in the west. So if the west wants to
know what city your are speaking about use the newer version.
Westerners have a hard time pronouncing the picturebet of Chinese
writing so they familiarize it with western equivalent characters.

Jean Guernon

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Jean Guernon a écrit:

>
>
> cesar a écrit:
>
>> "Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
>> news:WIsmc.3941465$iA2.4...@news.easynews.com...
>>
>>>
>>> cesar a écrit:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:MGimc.14847966$Of.24...@news.easynews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There is no correlation. They will invade Europe for power, to rule
>>>>> over
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> women after they deport or kill all the men.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Est tu malade?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. But you may be...
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I am sick of reading your nonesense.
>>
>>
>>>> What bullshit. Muslims invading Europe? They can't even
>>>> invade their own streets! [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe you should study Nostradamus?
>>>
>>> This is a Nostradamus group, you know. And there is no doubt that the
>>
>>
>> third WW
>>
>>> will be a massive attack and incvasion of Europe that will start in 20
>>
>>
>> years.
>>

>> >deserved profanity snipped<


>>
>>
>> How about you posting the quatrains in question that you say point to
>> Muslims invading Europe? Quote Nostradamus and give us your
>> interpretation.
>> Don't just say he said so.
>>

The fact that you ignore that most of the quatrains that remain to happen, the
gtreat majority of them, shows you are an impsoter and a fraud.

there si no other possible interpretation for these. No exegete ever considered
anything else than a future invasion of Europe by Muslims.

You are a fraud, that is all you are ""cesar"", you have absolutely no clue adn
do not blelong here and so far all you do is use Nostradamus to spread your
lies about the US.

The other liars are not as cunning I must admit. You are in fact the worse by
the very sacrilege of using the Seer.

It is really a shame, but the Seer has a curse for people like you. You should
expect the worse soon.

J.

>>
>> cesar
>
>
> The quatrains that cover the 21st Century and beyond, many are about
> lots of events that could be kinked to the 3rd WW or not, and I doNt,
> include them hereafter, only those that are directly linked with the
> conflict to come. Most of the remaining quatrains concern it... (Because
> after WW3, most of what is to come for the period following the next
> conflict concerns the Ante-Christs era, and is contained in the letters.)
>
>
>
> XXIst Century and The Future
> 21st Century A.D. and further
> as foreseen by Nostradamus
>
> CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER OF THE QUATRAINS
> according to the conclusions of the authors of the JCL Editions books used
> <http://www.jcl.qc.ca/jcl.nostradamus.html>
> (i.e. Jean Guernon & Michel Dufresne - JCL Copyright)
>
> Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003)
>
> 3,61: The armies of Christendom gather on borders of the lrak. Syria observes
> with an interested eye. Events of 1991.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,61 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q61.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Wars of the future (20?? - 2???)
>
>
> The two great wars to come (the third WW and the one(s) with the antichrists
>
> 1,15 : The 70 wars to be known before the fall of the Catholic church( 68 [in
> fact 67!?] wars that occurred between 1560 and 2000 - there would remain [in
> fact three] of them) - to be reassess. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 1,15 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q15.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Britain and its last military intervention (2004?)
>
> 3,57 : The 290 years of war of Britain counting from the accession to the throne
> of the first representative of the House of Hanover (1714). The treaty of
> Utrecht and its effects on Poland. The last military intervention of importance
> of the United Kingdom, in the year 2004.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,57 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q57.htm>
>
>
> 6,27 : The British Isles, implied in a future world conflict, that will see the
> confrontation between Islam and the West. The fog, characteristic to British
> islands, prevents invasion of their soil. Event of the future. Next possibility:
> the year 2004.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,27 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q27.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Fall of the soviet socialist regime (1991) follow-up by an important change with
> Islam
>
> 3,95: The fall of the socialist regime in USSR (1991). Announcement, for the
> future, of major changes to occur inside the Islamic regions. Possible supremacy
> of the American capitalistic system.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,95 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q95.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Military alliance of two great Powers
>
> 2,89 : Alliance between two great nations that could very well be the
> ex-U.S.S.R. and the U.S. of A. Unity of political thought. Contemporary event.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 2,89 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q89.htm>
>
>
> 6,20 : The military and economic alliance between the ex-U.R.S.S. and the United
> States of America. Deep mutations in the population of the old empire. Massive
> emigration of inhabitants. Advent in Italy of a leader possibly recognized for
> his high facts. Contemporary events, and to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,20 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q20.htm>
>
>
>
> 6,21 : A alliance concluded between the ex-U.R.S.S. and the United States of
> America brings China to fear for its autonomy. The Orient discovers itself a new
> leader. A war bloodies the island of Rhodes, Turkey and several countries of
> Islam. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,21 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q21.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Emergence in Islam of a leader who will unify Asia and the Middle East
>
> 3,60: Emergence of an important character that succeeds in uniting Asia and the
> Middle East in a common cause whose doctrine would feed itself from the blood of
> its own adepts. Possibly the Antichrist of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,60 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q60.htm>
>
>
> 5,47 : A great leader imposes himself at the head of the united Moslem nations.
> The treason of the Turks against him. The Greek and Hungarian armies work
> against his troops. War of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,47 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q47.htm>
>
>
>
> 5,55 : Birth, in the Moslem world, of a man called to occupy high functions. An
> armed aggression against Spain and North Italy led by this possible leader.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,55 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q55.htm>
>
>
> 5,69 : A great character perishes in his sleep during a fire. His disappearance
> brings back peace for a time. Emergence of a military chief identified with the
> colors gold, blue and red, and his conquest of Africa. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,69 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q69.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,70: A future messiah of Islam, originating from Iran, invades Iraq. The
> tyranny experienced by this conquered country. The physical look of the
> conqueror generally associated to black.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,70 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q70.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Political murder in Italy
>
> 8,47 : The execution of a member of an Italian family at the hands of an
> individual pretending to wisdom. Some conspirators shut in in Peruse and the
> role of the Trasimene lake as a particular symbol of the facts evoked. Events to
> come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,47 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q47.htm>
>
>
> 8,94 : An Italian revolution provokes the murder of an important character in
> the country (possibly the pope of the previous quatrain). The defeat of his
> troops, and of those of the Spaniards sent to bring their support, imputed to
> the delay on taking the important decision of the reaction to it. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,94 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q94.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Religious revolution in Islam
>
> 4,43 : The religious revolution, possibly in Islam, at the same moment of a
> major military confrontation. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,43 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q43.htm>
>
>
> 6,33 : A future leader of Iran takes it out on Iraq where he undertakes a bloody
> drench. His name associated to the old divinity Roman Alus. The character
> recognized for his stern look and for his irate character.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,33 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q33.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Attack on Jerusalem by Iraq
>
> 8,96 : Jews chased out of Jerusalem by the armies of Iraq if the aggressors
> identified to descendants of the Hebrews brought in captivity to Babylon in the
> VI th century before Christ and the absence of real leader within this nation as
> the very basis of this new decay. Or else it is Iraqis heirs that are disarmed.
> Events to come after Israel is fully accepted in the midst of the Islamic world first.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,96 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q96.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> The use of some biological agent in food
>
> 9,14 : The use of a biological agent camouflaged in the food brings a pestilence
> that contaminates France and especially drags in the death of seven children in
> Bordeaux before being confirmed.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,14 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q14.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Epidemics on the year prior to the preparation to a war
>
> 9,55 : The preparation of war by the follow-up west by an exceptional epidemic,
> possibly attributable to the utilization of a bacteriological weapon by the
> enemy concerned. Event of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,55 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q55.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Possible Atlantic Alliance intervention in Spain (Basque conflict ?)
>
> 10,96 : The Basques Sect (wind of sea), or of an another group with a sea
> related name (new one?) will face an oppressor.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,96 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q96.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> The Holy War (Jihad) of Islam led in Greece, in Italy and in France
>
> 3,54 : Emergence of a great military leader from south of Europe. His war led in
> Greece, in Italy and in France against the armies of Islam and the ultimate
> defeat of these troops at the hands of troops sent from the west. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,54 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q54.htm>
>
>
>
> 3,64: An Iranian appropriation of oil transportation and naval battles resulting.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,64 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q64.htm>
>
>
> 4,39 : The island of Rhodes threatened by a Moslem invasion. The west intervenes
> but the aggressor straightens the matter in his favor. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,39 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q39.htm>
>
>
> 4,67 : The world war that puts to grips Islam versus the remainder of the
> planet. A city entirely destroyed by nuclear engines. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,67 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q67.htm>
>
>
> 4,68 : Islam triggers its war against the West. Its two main leaders are
> perceived as originating from a region watered by the Rhine and by the Danube.
> Their meeting in the immediate vicinity of Greece. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,68 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q68.htm>
>
>
> 4,85 : The war of the future that witnesses the confrontation of the west and
> Islam. A famine comes with the confrontation. A particular prisoner transported
> in a van. An individual eclipses another. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,85 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q85.htm>
>
>
> 5,11 : A holy war provoked by Islam led against West Europe and the West in
> general . Moslem Asia allied with the aggressor. The Mediterranean become
> dangerous for navigation. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,11 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q11.htm>
>
>
> 5,13 : The armies of Islam occupy Europe, from Hungary to Spain. Military
> alliance of no precedence of different nation ns belonging to this faith. Events
> to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,13 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q13.htm>
>
>
> 5,14: War of Islam led in Europe. The end of the conflict and the capture, by
> the west of a Libyan chief in part responsible of atrocities. Possibilities for
> the next 50 years: 2008, 2036 or 2038.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,14 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q14.htm>
>
>
> 5,24 : The war of the future that will put in presence Islam in general against
> Christendom. Right from the beginning of the conflict, Islam imposes its
> domination. Events to come probably related to the three previous quatrains.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,24 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q24.htm>
>
>
> 5,25 : The beginning of this war of the future between the Islam and the
> Christendom, at the earliest by August 2006. The church of Rome toughly bruised
> by the conflict. Iran (or Iraq?) deploys at this moment a million of troops.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,25 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q25.htm>
>
>
> 5,27 : Iran invades Turkey. The bloody confrontations occurs in the Black sea.
> Egypt and Greece fear for their security. Great Arabian blood effusion at the
> conclusion of this war of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,27 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q27.htm>
>
>
> 5,48 : The fall of the Iran shah in 1979 preludes a war to come between the
> Islam and the west. Aggression by the Moslem of Africa against Hungary.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,48 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q48.htm>
>
>
>
> 5,58 : The city of Nîmes becomes an important military center during the third
> world war. The military chief of this base of operation injured during a
> confrontation with the enemy in the Mediterranean.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,58 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q58.htm>
>
> 5,59 : A chief of army by the name "Aenobarbe" intervenes in Spain to chase out
> the Moslem invader. During this time, the English are in Nîmes. Fall of a
> meteoroid or a comet in Artois or use of missiles by the enemy. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,59 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q59.htm>
>
>
> 5,63 : Ships along of the Italian coasts. A war, been born of contrary
> ideologies, generates important massacres in the peninsula. Wounds cover the
> body of survivors. Holocaust, possibly nuclear, to come between Moslems and
> Christians.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,63 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q63.htm>
>
>
> 5,64 : The coast being located between Genoa and Nicea attacked militarily at
> the time of the end of the traditional vacations of commuters. The leaders made
> so unsuspecting that the threat felt provokes a delay of anticipated
> reinforcements. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,64 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q64.htm>
>
>
> 5,68 : A war led in central Europe and in France by a military chief designated
> with the epithet "The great camel". His defeat close to the Alps at the hands of
> a great French general. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,68 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q68.htm>
>
>
> 5,78 : Either the alliance concluded in 1987 between the ex-USSR and the United
> States of America, or when relations really normalize, ends in the year 2000, or
> else 13 after the true normalization. The two nations undergo heavy losses in
> the course of a military conflict that oppose them to the Arabian world.
> Intervention of the Vatican to limit the damages.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,78 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q78.htm>
>
>
> 6,81 : Human massacres in Switzerland, in the British Islands and Genoa
> perpetrated by an army chief qualified as inhuman and blood thirsty. Several
> other countries also invaded by this conqueror of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,81 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q81.htm>
>
>
> 6,98 : The region of the French Vaucluse attacked militarily. Temples of Avignon
> desecrated. Human massacres of no precedence in this region that waters the
> Rhone and the Durance. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,98 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q98.htm>
>
>
> 6,99 : Troops of invasion in France blocked below the Pyrenees and the Alps. The
> confusion of the chief of the armies of occupation . Discovery, at that moment,
> of an important archaeological site within one of these mountain chains. Events
> to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,99 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q99.htm>
>
>
> 7,7 : Invasion of Greece by Albania and by its Moslem allies. Numerous massacres
> within the population in general. Next possibility: The summer of 2023.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,7 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q7.htm>
>
>
> 8,64 : Invasion of the western part of Europe. The children shipped massively to
> the British islands in order to insure their security. Good probability that it
> was about facts that have to do with the future world conflict that see the
> confrontation between the nations of Islam and the west.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,1 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q1.htm>
>
>
>
> 9,16 : A high character assembly that will be held at Castel-Franco having for
> object a peace treaty which the official representatives of the nation in
> litigation, little minded for compromise, will refuse to ratify. This state of
> thing will bring a blockade that will prevent the Italian and the French to have
> access to the Gulf of the Adriatic. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,16 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q16.htm>
>
> 9,62 : Prisoners, possibly maintained under the ascendancy of opiates, brought
> to Salon at the time of a temporary defeat of the Great Monarch, of which the
> third would be freed thanks to a separation between the factions of the
> invaders, which will take place, lasting the whole month of October at the time
> of the next world conflict (or at another moment with one of the other French
> liberators during one of the subsequent wars against one of the Antichrists).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,62 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q62.htm>
>
>
>
> 9,67 : The gathering of Christian forces in the regions of the Isère and the
> Drôme to counter the Moslem invader, probably in support of the pope in Avignon.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,67 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q67.htm>
>
>
>
> 9,85 : The beginning of the Moslem invasion in a war of the future, and the
> mobilization of inhabitants of the South of France, of Marseilles, of Lyons, of
> the Guyenne, and of the Languedoc, that flock to the rescue of their Monarch and
> their Faith, to a location close to Saint-Paul-of-Mausole, a famous monastery of
> Saint-Rémy-of-Provence, where a conflict will be raging.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,85 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q85.htm>
>
>
>
> 10,92 : A child killed directly before his father in Geneva whereas the chief of
> the city is dismembered. Could be terrorists, or some exaction of occupant
> armies or, although less obvious, a metaphor for Calvin's epic.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,92 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q92.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Condition of the woman in territory occupied by Islam
>
> 10,98: The condition that will be imposed to the European girls under Islamic
> law, the Islamic constraints of the excision, the mentality of harem, their low
> statute leading to debauchery and predatory merchants, according to the
> occupant's new law, so they'll becomes odious. One of the rare quatrains that
> speaks of the young women's life conditions under the future occupation, and
> possibly the generalized crossbreeding that would occur.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,98 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q98.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Murder attempt on a pope close to Baghdad
>
> 2,97 : Murder attempt on the pope in the vicinities of the old city of Babylon,
> in Iraq. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 2,97 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q97.htm>
>
>
> 5,15 : A pope of Rome made captive during a journey to Baghdad. An unfit
> substitute named to his succession. The tragic end of this last character.
> Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,15 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q15.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Emergence of three great leaders in France
>
> 8,46 : The three great leaders who France would eventually know. Emergence of a
> catastrophic war shortly after their coming on the scene. The murder of the pope
> of the moment in the valley of the Rhone. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,46 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q46.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,97 : The birth of three predestined children on the French Riviera. The
> country very close to a crisis just as these would reach their majority. Fall of
> the government and return of several important characters just as these three
> sons would affirm their authority. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,97 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q97.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Emergence of a great Leader in Spain
>
> 10,95 : A great king, of Spaniard origin, imposes hardships to the troops of
> Islam, possibly the Great Chiren or the great monarch since he also frees the
> seas from the Moslem invader during the next world conflict.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,95 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q95.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Murderous war at the beginning of a millennium
>
> 2,46 : Louis XIV and the war of Succession of Spain (1701-14) or the Third world
> War, occurring at the beginning of a millennium.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 2,46 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q46.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Defeat of America at the opening of hostilities
>
> 8,10 : The defeat of America during beginning of the next world conflict. Likely
> use of atomic weapons during this lightning victory of Islam. Switzerland hit by
> an epidemic of unknown type. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,10 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q10.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Iran invades Macedonia and the noon of France
>
> 2,96 : Iran invades Macedonia. France attacked on the south front. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 2,96 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q96.htm>
>
>
>
> 5,62: France attacked by the south just as Italy would have been defeated. Spain
> threatened at the same moment. The control of seas passes into the hands of the
> Moslem invader. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,62 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q62.htm>
>
>
> 5,71 : Some leaders of France gathered on seventeen ships by Bouche-du-Rhone.
> The impatience demonstrated at sea with their troops by the wait imposed by the
> slowness of orders as well as by the low level of water of the Rhone. Events to
> come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,71 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q71.htm>
>
>
> 7,19 : The city of Nice destroyed by a weapon associated to its sheen metal. The
> aggression makes the object of commentaries and analyses by the numerous victims
> within the tourist clientele of the region. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,19 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q19.htm>
>
>
> 7,21 : The occupied French Vaucluse. A plot fomented against the government's
> chief. The tense relations between this department and its neighbors. Good
> probability that it was about a page of this war of the future that will oppose
> Islam to Christendom.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,21 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q21.htm>
>
>
> 9,10 : Two monks that would have a child who would be killed by a wild beast
> after have been removed by a glass maker while armies attack regions located to
> the South West of France, in the future, or the past if hidden in the secret
> files of the Vatican. Or possible veiled evocation of events of 1845, with the
> discoveries by Verrier concerning Uranus and archaeological discoveries of that
> moment at the beginning of the end of the reign of Louis-Philippe the 1st and
> the crisis of 1847.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,10 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q10.htm>
>
>
>
> 10,58 : France vacillates even though the great Monarch, artful, will fight the
> young chief of war related to the Libyan "Emathian", at the time of a period of
> mourning. The Vatican in peril at the same moment whereas Marseilles is attacked
> by the forces of Islam, in direct provocation to talks started by the remainder
> of the West.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,58 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q58.htm>
>
> 10,59 : Presumably a counter-offensive of a light contingent, composed of 25 men
> from Lyon, of which 5 would not be French, possibly UN experts, accompanying a
> character of the royal family of the Great Monarch at the time of the
> establishment of his general Head Quarters in this region.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,59 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q59.htm>
>
>
>
> 10,60 : An attack, by a nuclear weapon, or with a weapon of the future, which
> provokes tsunamis (kind of hurricanes) in all the region of the black sea and
> all the region of the Mediterranean Sea between the Black sea and the coasts of
> the Northern Italy and the South of France.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,60 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q60.htm>
>
> 10,61 : A conspiracy orchestrated by various people from Greece and from some
> cities of Austria, Russia and central Asia, aimed at delivering Hungary into the
> forces of Islam. The plot would be uncovered by intelligence bureau located
> close to the Marne. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,61 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q61.htm>
>
>
>
> 10,94 : One of the invaders of France that, in opposition with a United Nation
> resolution, exert reprisals, against farmers of Nîmes, Arles and Vienna, in
> Provence, of a violence such that only six would survive to testify of the
> attack, after having escaped disguised as monk (or most probably in the
> traditional north African Arab cloak).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,94 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q94.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Hungary and Serbia occupied by the invader
>
> 10,62 : Hungary threatened all over again by Turkey (conquered already?), from
> Serbia, whereas Budapest alerts the West, in vain, as this country would find
> itself again soon under the boot of invaders that will impose the Islamic law.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,62 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q62.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A monarch ousted from his throne
>
> 3,47 : A monarch, ousted from his throne, constrained to seek shelter in the
> Greek island of Lesbos. His previous tentative to find support in Orient. Events
> to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,47 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q47.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Seven hundred hostages of which fifteen are executed
>
> 3,48 : Seven hundred convicts, of which half are designated by fate to be
> executed. Disappointment because of some help coming too late since these
> fifteen among them would already have been executed. Events probably to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,48 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q48.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Invasion of Italy by Islam
>
> 3,43 : Invasion of the Italy by the Islamic armies. France intervenes to push
> back the enemy out of the borders of the peninsula. Physical features of the
> Arabian conqueror. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,43 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q43.htm>
>
>
> 4,24 : Military aggression in Italy and profanation of the Vatican by the
> Islamic troops. A false Moslem prophet at the head of attackers. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,24 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q24.htm>
>
>
>
> 4,59 : The shortage of drinking water in Italy and invasion of the country by
> Iran. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,59 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q59.htm>
>
>
>
> 4,66 : Moslem invasion of Italy. Shortage of drinking water and victuals in the
> country. The starved become anthropophageous. The seven chiefs identified with
> the aggressor. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,66 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q66.htm>
>
>
> 4,77 : A monarch of Islam pacifies Italy, A Christian king affirms himself on
> the planet. Kingdoms of the world know a short lived quietude. The desire of
> this newly elected to be buried in Blois after his actions of fame on the seas.
> Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,77 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q77.htm>
>
> 5,32 : The invasion of Italy and destruction of the city of Rome. At the same
> moment, ruin of an important country (possibly the USA) during these tragic
> events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,32 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q32.htm>
>
>
>
> 5,67 : The chief of the Italian city of Perouse refuses to show himself in
> public. Seven new aristocrats made captives. A father and his son lose their
> lives during a particular duel or a tentative of murder. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,67 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q67.htm>
>
>
> 5,84 : A character identified to the Italian city of Trieste takes it out with
> France in an armed conflict of the future that can correspond to the third world
> war.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,84 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q84.htm>
>
>
> 5,88 : The Italian city of Savone becomes the slave of the city of Turin. A
> marine monster, or a ship, beaches itself on a beach, after a storm. A monument
> erected on this place. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,88 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q88.htm>
>
>
> 6,6 : War you future underlined by the apparition of a comet in the zodiacal
> constellation of Cancer. Death in Rome of an important military chief. Other
> likely allusion about this war that will oppose Islam and the west.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,6 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q6.htm>
>
>
>
> 6,17 : Invasion of Italy by Islam. Inhabitants opt to collaborate with the
> enemy. But faced with the atrocities committed , the Italians eventually turn
> against the aggressor. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,17 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q17.htm>
>
>
> 6,36 : The invasion of Italy by troops associated with Islam. The city of
> Perouse ignored by the aggressor. Pisa and Florence in state of revolt. Murder
> of a monarch. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,36 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q36.htm>
>
>
> 6,38 : War of the future where troops identified with Islam would undertake the
> conquest of the Italy. Horrible massacres in the defeated peninsula.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,38 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q38.htm>
>
>
> 6,39: A ransom imposed to an Italian prince for the liberation of a parent
> associated to the color blue. The city of Peruse at the center of the matter.
> Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,39 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q39.htm>
>
>
> 6,42 : Invasion of Italy by a set of nations associated with Islam. Advent in
> France d a great military chief called to dislodge the aggressor from the
> territories conquered. The counselor of this valiant warrior judged as too
> prudent. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,42 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q42.htm>
>
>
> 6,68 : Invasion of Italy by troops identified to Islam. The defeat of the
> country drives the Italian soldiers to rebel against their chief and to foment a
> plot to murder him. The government forces achieve a compromise with the invader.
> Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,68 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q68.htm>
>
>
> 6,69 : Continuation of the previous quatrain. The Roman curia must go into exile
> in France after the invasion of Italy. The country touched by a great famine.
> Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,69 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q69.htm>
>
>
> 6,78 : The invasion of Italy during the course a world conflict to come. The
> peninsula adopts a certain form of collaboration with the enemy. But confronted
> with the acts of barbarism of the aggressor, Italy is compelled to call to its
> help the great monarch 's troops that had imposed themselves in Western Europe
> by then.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,78 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q78.htm>
>
>
> 7,6 : The region of Naples and Sicily become inhabitable. Exodus of inhabitants
> toward Corsica and Sardinia. Efforts put forward in order to stop the conflict
> and to put a term to the famine that will have resulted. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,6 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q6.htm>
>
>
> 7,8 : Italy conquered by an invader of the future. Warning launched at the city
> of Florence to mistrust the policies of the capital. The country put to fire and
> sword . Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,8 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q8.htm>
>
>
> 7,30 : Invasion of Italy of the North and of the ancient Savoy. Cities of Genoa
> and Nicea hardly hit. Huge massacres perpetrated against the population of these
> regions. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,30 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q30.htm>
>
>
> 8,8 : The fall of the Italian government and political abduction of a women in
> Turin. A commando rushed there for the liberation of the precious hostage.
> Events of the future to likely take place in the setting of an invasion of Italy.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,8 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q8.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,9 : The invasion of Italy at the very beginning of a future world conflict.
> Conference in Savone between the French leaders and those of Italy. Massacres
> perpetrated in the peninsula by a Moslem conqueror identified to his black beard.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,9 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q9.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,13 : The recall of the character's eventful life associated with mythological
> Bellerophon to announce the suicide of two lovers after the capture of the city
> of Milan at the time of a future world conflict. The two heroes associated to
> the ultimate fight delivered before the definitive defeat of the country.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,13 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q13.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,40 : Invasion of Italy by a coalition of countries of Islam and vengeance by
> the aggressor experienced against a noble family of the peninsula that will be
> harmed. The invader's march toward Rome. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,40 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q40.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,62 : The havoc of the Vatican and religious persecutions carried on by troops
> of a monarch installed in French Avignon. Injustices committed by this important
> character of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,62 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q62.htm>
>
> 8,72 : The future invasion of Italy by conjugated forces from countries of
> Islam. Ravenna and Perouse to the heart of the matter. The general scarcity
> brought by the conflict. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,72 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q72.htm>
>
> 8,84 : Invasion of Sicily by a fleet part of the Italian harbor of Trieste,
> after the capture of this harbor by the enemy. Good probability that it is about
> this world conflict to come that will oppose the countries of Islam against the
> West.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,84 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q84.htm>
>
> 9,3 : The deportation of a great character, or his death, or else the evacuation
> of the population of the place or its total eradication, in Ravenna. Evacuees
> would be deported to Fours. Birth in Rome of a double concordat. Events
> concerning the invasion of Italy during a conflict to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,3 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q3.htm>
>
> 9,30 : The sailing of boats with French crews from the harbor of Puola with the
> participation of Spain, from off the coasts of Yugoslavia which will be in the
> hands of the Moslem invader, who will also have conquered Turkey. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,30 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q30.htm>
>
> 9,32 : An archaeological discovery of importance. Italy tried by the Moslem
> conqueror whose leader will be frizzy and bearded, while one of his fleets would
> leave from the harbor of Mytilene in Crete.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,32 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q32.htm>
>
> 9,76 : The tyranny that will be exercised by an Islamist invader, probably
> Libyan, at the time of the next world conflict, or one of the Antichrists to
> come, against Italy. His murder by a rich young man in a place being located at
> the junction of two streams.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,76 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q76.htm>
>
> 10,20 : The military movement that would pursue and kill partisans that would
> hold meetings, whereas propaganda and/or censors would dominate the press. A
> defender of liberty (the great Hadrie?) come to the rescue in Rome, but loses
> his legal authority because of some fiscal irregularity and finishes by being
> condemned to death. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,20 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q20.htm>
>
> 10,27 : The liberators of Italy suffer a reverse of fortune without precedent
> because authorities in place "back down" allowing the ex-occupant back with a
> vengeance, that would then exercise itself in force against the authorities in
> place under its aegis in a war to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,27 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q27.htm>
>
> 10,33: Some cruel zealous with daggers under their long dresses seize Florence's
> leader, in the small city of Fiesole, at a moment when Florence is rendered
> vulnerable due to the treason of idiots. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,33 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q33.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Fall of an Italian monarch and aggression against Venice
>
> 3,11 : The decay of an Italian monarch and the attack on the city of Venice.
> Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,11 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q11.htm>
>
>
> 4,1 : The fall of Venice just as the city would wait for reinforcements.
> Numerous losses of life during the brief confrontation. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,1 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q1.htm>
>
>
> 5,21 : The murder of an Italian chief into the hands of people to whom he would
> have provided help before. The public execution of those that came to avenge
> him. A particular loot shared between the conjured. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,21 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q21.htm>
>
>
> 5,22 : Continuation of the previous quatrain. An foreign army arrival that
> brings help to Italy undergoes an important defeat close to Parma. Good
> probability that the announced events occur during the month of May 2002
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,22 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q22.htm>
>
>
> 8,11 : A crowd without precedent in the Italian city of Vicenza and destruction
> of its famous basilica. French defeat in the Ligurie and important mourning
> lived by the population of Venice. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,11 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q11.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A submarine a long the Italian coasts
>
> 3,21 : Surfacing of an operational submarine at the opening of the Italian river
> Crustamin. Tentativeto capture it. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,21 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q21.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A commando at a sea harbor
>
> 7,40 : The heroic combats of 21 commando troops against a non identified sea
> harbor. The success of the raid in spite of the numerous losses amongst the
> volunteers. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,40 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q40.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Attack on Monaco
>
> 3,10 : The military aggression of Monaco by way of sea. The seven assaults
> required for its fall. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,10 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q10.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Iraqi invasion of Italy and of the South of France
>
> 3,99 : Iraqi invasion in Italy and in the south of France. Defeat of the
> attacker on French soil. Advent of a dictator in Iraq wearing beard and black
> hairs. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,99 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q99.htm>
>
>
> 4,27 : A prince, originating from Denmark, delivered to his enemies in Provençal
> soil. The cowardice punished severely. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,27 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q27.htm>
>
>
> 8,21: Masterly orchestrated invasion of the south coast of France during a next
> world conflict. The three necessary assaults for the success of the enterprise.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,21 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q21.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Major confrontation between Christian and Moslem in Spain
>
> 3,20 : The military confrontation between Christian and Moslem in Spanish
> territory. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,20 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q20.htm>
>
>
> 5,80 : The approach of a Moslem fleet near the strait of Gibraltar and its
> defeat. Military confrontation having an ideological and religious foundation.
> The important role of France in this conflict to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,80 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q80.htm>
>
> 5,87 : The alliance of France and Spain to fight against an invader originating
> from a country professing Islam. The planet Saturn isolated from the other
> planets at that moment. Events to come
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,87 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q87.htm>
>
>
> 7,22 : The Tarraconese, eventually allied with an Iraqi invader. The faction
> getting settled slowly between the two brothers-in-arms. The capture of the
> chief of the aggressors and the festivities surrounding the event. The pope in
> Lyons at the time of the tumult. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,22 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q22.htm>
>
>
> 8,51 : Capture of the Spanish city of Cordoba by Arabs and commemorative visit
> of the old mosque by the conqueror. The support given by Cologne to invaders.
> Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,51 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q51.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,54 : A sumptuous wedding brings the displacement of important characters of
> the north of France and from Spain. The truce agreed with the Moslem occupier to
> allow the celebration. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,54 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q54.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,61 : A certain consignment from Spain reaches late a politician of France
> rather than getting to its real recipient, the chief of the nation. Spain
> warrants in time of the expedition of the precious merchandise. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,61 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q61.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,85 : Military & religious sanctions and against republics of the south of the
> ex-Soviet Union on behalf of the Islamic fundamentalists of Iran and Iraq.
> Invasion of Spain and establishment of a bridge head at the border of France, in
> Basque Country, by the same elements. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,85 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q85.htm>
>
>
>
> 8,86 : The invasion of Spain by Islam and aggression against the French city of
> Bayonne by its troops. Events preceding by little those announced by the
> previous quatrain.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,86 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q86.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Invasion of Majorca by the Islamic Forces
>
> 9.56 : The follow-up journey until the capture of the island of Majorca, and its
> (re-) integration to the Kingdom of France when the French did put back in chain
> (until today) this independent kingdom, after the capitulation of Perpignan
> September 9, 1642, or else conquest to come by the Islamist conquerors possibly
> making part of the invasion plan that would aim France and Spain.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,56 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q56.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Advent of a great chief in Burgundy
>
> 1,65 : Advent of a great chief and, at the same period of time, thunderbolt in
> Burgundy. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 1,65 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q65.htm>
>
>
> 4,84 : The miserable end of a important character of the French Burgundy. His
> captivity close to his former subjects and his death during one summer
> associated with a global Mars-Venus-Sun conjunction into one of the summer
> constellations (Gemini-Cancer-Leo). Events of the future. (Last possibility was
> 23 June 2000 - next one has to be checked out).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,84 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q84.htm>
>
>
> 5,45 : The advent of a great leader in France. His physical features. The
> government of the country transferred close to the forest of the Ardennes.
> Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,45 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q45.htm>
>
>
> 5,79 : The emergence of a future leader partner to the justice and the social
> equity. The character's value would be such that no one could hence forth
> compare oneself to him.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,79 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q79.htm>
>
>
> 6,70 : A great chief of armies, known as "Great Chiren", comes to the rescue of
> defeated Italy and overthrows the invader. The glory that he would benefit and
> the humility that he would display while only adopting only "the victorious"
> for title. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,70 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q70.htm>
>
>
> 8,44 : The advent of a great French warrior comparable with the Ogmios of the
> Celtic tradition. His role within the government preceding this. Good
> probability that it was about a descendant of the Bourbon lineage. Events of the
> future (End of the XX th or beginning of the XXI th century).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,44 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q44.htm>
>
>
>
> 10,44 : A " king ", native of Blois, surely the future great Monarch,
> (re-)conquers Messina in Northern Italy, Courdoue in Spain, and the coast of
> Yugoslavia, from Moslem bands hands, but after seven years, he disappears.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,44 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q44.htm>
>
>
> 10,79 : The paths of Egypt are embellished for the passage of the "Mercury" or
> "Gallic Hercules", symbol of the French people at the moment, at the height of
> his power (making tremble earth, sea and regions), at Memphis in Egypt.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,79 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q79.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Advent of a great chief in Avignon
>
> 8,52 : The reign of a future monarch of France established in Avignon. The
> opposition against his regime operated from Poitiers. The end of hostilities in
> the region of the Vaucluse.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,52 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q52.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Advent of an exceptional being that will make the Thursday a day of feast
>
> 10,71 : Advent of an exceptional being that will make, one day, the Thursday, a
> day of feast, and that will acquire a renown all over the world that will
> attract crowds.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,71 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q71.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A collaborator opposing of the French Great Monarch
>
> 9,41 : Whereas fights will still be raging in the south of France, one of the
> invader's thug , called the black duke with a red feather, will seize of
> Carpentras not far of the general district of the Great Monarch in Avignon.
> Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,41 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q41.htm>
>
> 9,80 : The collaboration of a French military chief with the Moslem conqueror,
> to whom he will give troops, which the invader will send to fight far away,
> probably in Istanbul, against a rebel chief to the Islamic cause, at the time of
> a war of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,80 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q80.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A Moslem fleet before Marseilles
>
> 1,18 : The Turkish fleet before Marseilles (1543) or event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 1,18 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q18.htm>
>
>
> 3,79 : The harbor of Marseilles. The multiple invasions it has known in the
> course of the past century. Its strategic position and its importance in
> conflicts to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,79 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q79.htm>
>
>
> 10,87 : One of the (Iranian , Iraqi or Libyan) invaders who invest the South of
> France bringing a reign of death with him. He will get settled in with weapons
> and luggage's; close to Nice, and will ransack the whole region and will ship
> the loots oversea by boat to his country.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,87 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q87.htm>
>
>
>
> 10,88 : Marseilles is invaded by infantry and mobile troops, at the time of the
> third assault of an attack to invade France at the time of a next world conflict
> to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,88 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q88.htm>
>
>
>
> 10,97 : The exile by boats of inhabitants (full ships of captives of all age) of
> a region, at the time of an invasion by the forces of Islam that they would have
> facilitated by giving up to the requirements of invaders too early, in order to
> be able to recover their freedom of speech as soon as possible.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,97 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q97.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Invasion of France and fall of Paris
>
> 3,93 : Invasion of France and fall of Paris. The French government gets settled
> in Avignon. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,93 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q93.htm>
>
>
> 6,43 : The destruction of the city of Paris and its suburb. Inhabitants
> prevented to return to live in the region ravaged because of the consequences of
> the lasting deadly effects of the weapons used (radiations?!). Intervention of
> Great Britain to sustain the country. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,43 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q43.htm>
>
>
> 8,34 : A pope's death in Germany and the victory of a British in the south of
> France. The invasion of the country via the Alps and by its border of the Jura.
> Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,34 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q34.htm>
>
>
> 10,8 : The Moslem would make common front following the capture of some among
> them. Following this alliance, in the course of one week, three people would
> either be decimated or be seriously wounded, at the noteworthy moment when a
> count of the region of Sinigaglia, Italy, baptizes his own son. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,8 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q8.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Confrontations between the Emathien and the French liberator
>
> 9,38 : Some English troops enter in Blaye while passing by La Rochelle, but
> while going around the Great Emathien, a Moslem occupant of France, to rejoin
> the French liberator, who will be located upstream close to Agen at the time of
> the next world conflict. The secret of an expected support for the French
> monarch is betrayed by a conversation in Narbonne .
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,38 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q38.htm>
>
> 9,93 : The attack of the Great Monarch that will defeat the Emathion while
> putting instead defensive walls, in place of pulverized ones of a stronghold;
> others brought there with the help of vehicles whereas allies of this Emathion
> would have been far from there. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,93 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q93.htm>
>
> 10,7 : The Emathion at the head of a complementary army to the Iranian forces in
> the beginning of the invasion of a France that is attacked by the North this
> time. Event to come.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Narbonne touched toughly by the war
>
> 3,92 : Narbonne hardly hit by an armed conflict. The French government gets
> settled in the High-Alps. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,92 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q92.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Air raid against the French Gers
>
> 8,2 : Air raid on the French Gers and destruction of an important building in
> the region of the Garonne. Events of the future. Next possibility: 2006.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,2 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q2.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Total destruction of a city important of the globe
>
> 3,84 : The total destruction of an important city of the globe. Impossibility
> for survivors to return there (nuclear radiations?). Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,84 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q84.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Temples of Toulouse desecrated
>
> 3,45 : Temples of Toulouse desecrated. The death of five intruders. Events to
> come (2232?).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,45 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q45.htm>
>
>
> 9,72 : The profanation and ransacking of temples of Toulouse, by a decree in
> advice of the town hall of this city. This event would take place during spring,
> about 250 years after the beginning of the era of Saturn, in the 25th century,
> by a new sect of people.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,72 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q72.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Toulouse Tried
>
> 9,46 : The discovery of an individual who died by strangulation foretelling
> reprisals without precedent, probably ordered from the Middle East, against
> Toulouse for a sacrifice not specified. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,46 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q46.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Lyons and region tried
>
> 3,46 : The French city of Lyons and the major changes that it would have to go
> through. Future events (2478?).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,46 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q46.htm>
>
>
> 8,6 : The devastating attack launched against the city of Lyons. Conquest of the
> islands of Malta and Sardinia during a world conflict to come. A meeting in
> London between Switzerland and England passes for a gesture of weakness.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,6 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q6.htm>
>
>
> 8,38 : A new revolution hits France just as its government's headquarters would
> have been moved to Avignon. The valley of the Rhone becomes the main center of
> the big slaughter evoked here. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,38 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q38.htm>
>
>
> 9,68 : An attack on the great monarch by soldiers hidden in bushes, possible
> regicide, or otherwise, wounding that will led to important aftermaths until his
> death. Plot taking its origin in Lyons and that takes place at Montélimar. Event
> to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,68 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q68.htm>
>
> 9,69 : Commandos from the French resistance, camouflaged on mounts of Belley and
> Bourg in Bresse, which is in the surroundings of Lyons, to counter the Moslem
> invader, are victims of intense storms and hailstones, probably artificially
> provoked, that will kill fauna, and two third of insects of these places. The
> likely continuation of the preceding quatrain.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,69 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q69.htm>
>
>
> 9,70 : A terrorist act killing villagers of a neighboring city, Vienna, at the
> time of the feast of the St-Sacrament in Lyons. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,70 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q70.htm>
>
>
> 10,29 : At the time of one of the wars to come, an escaped prisoner is caught up
> in one of the goats cave in Saint-Paul-of Mausole and brought to Tarbes by the
> Bigornaises.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,29 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q29.htm>
>
>
> 10,47 : A lady of Bourg-les-Valences, convicted to a torment for treason. The
> mayor of Lyons pursues her accomplices while passing by Mirmande, and operates
> so that other false pilgrims and captors are captured.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,47 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q47.htm>
>
>
> 10,48 : An offensive at the time of the next world conflict that would take
> place upstream whereas pursuers having attacked the Provence without finding a
> soul there, and would then continue their path northwards but would be stopped
> near Leignes by an ambush that would decimate them. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,48 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q48.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Three Great nations from the East submit to the invader
>
> 10,53 : Three nations that, at the time of the next world conflict, will have
> chosen to leave the western coalition in order to ally with the invader after
> intimidation, and also in order to have the leisure to fight between themselves,
> without sudden intervention on behalf of the Iranian chief, about territories
> that they would covet one another. (China, India and Russia?)
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,53 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q53.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Reign closely of 27 years, in Foix, of a Moslem invader,
>
> 9,73 : Arrival of one of the Moslem invaders in Foix at the time of one of the
> conflicts to come. His reign of less than 27 years. Turkey enemy of this
> invader. Next possibility in February 2011.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,73 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q73.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Conflict between the Middle East and the West
>
> 2,79 : Conflict between the Middle East and a country considered as being
> located to a great distance. Contemporary events or to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 2,79 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q79.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Advent of two important characters. Greece and Turkey at the center of an armed
> conflict.
>
> 1.74 : Advent, in Greece and Turkey, of two main characters, future events.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 1,74 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q74.htm>
>
>
> 4,23 : The Turkish city of Istanbul attacked and set ablaze, result of a
> poisoned gift on behalf of an former ally. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,23 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q23.htm>
>
>
> 4,38 : A chief of Istanbul made captive and the bitter retreat of two united
> armies in the Turkish territory. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,38 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q38.htm>
>
>
> 5,17 : The submissive Cyprus island suffers a new armed conflict. A Catholic
> prelate, nephew of the pope in title, murdered in the valley of the Rhone at
> that time. A French leader, Breton of origin, made prisoner by the Moslem during
> a confrontation in Mediterranean. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,17 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q17.htm>
>
>
> 5,70 : Military aggression by the Chinese or Indochinese troops against Turkey.
> The population of Istanbul kept in captivity. War of the future (possibly in 1998).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,70 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q70.htm>
>
>
> 5,91 : Swift invasion of Greece, possibly in the year 2023. Premises of the
> third world war.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,91 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q91.htm>
>
>
> 6,24 : The advent of an important political character, probably French, shortly
> after the observation a notorious conjunction of the planets Mars and Jupiter in
> the constellation of Cancer. Its reign at the conclusion of a war of the future
> (2026 or 2027).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,24 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q24.htm>
>
>
> 8,83 A :military controlled aggression against Turkey from the Croatian harbor
> of Zadar. The success of the enterprise by reason of the idleness of one of
> allies of Turkey. Uprising of the Turkish people against its religious chiefs.
> Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,83 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q83.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Come in this world of an individual must be designated under the appellation of
> "grand Hadrie"
>
> 1,8 : Character of the great Hadrie (great military chief). Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 1,8 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q8.htm>
>
>
> 1,9 : Character of the great Hadrie (great military chief). Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 1,9 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q9.htm>
>
>
> 6,49 : A pope of Sicilian origin takes up weapons to chase an invader having
> submitted some countries bathed by the Danube. His victory, without bloodshed.
> Possessions of the enemy seized. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,49 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q49.htm>
>
>
> 10,38 : Following a siege or the installation of quarters not far from a place
> that could be the harem of the troops chief, the great Hadrie confronts
> garrisons that belong to contingents of the "Saint Moslem" rather than accept to
> be handed over to the Islamic forces occupying Switzerland. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,38 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q38.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Consecration of a monarch in Italy
>
> 8,90 : The consecration of a king marked by certain links with the ancient
> Serapis god. Religious persecutions at the same moment. Possible disavowal of
> the population of the country for this insane monarch. Italy probably to the
> heart of the matter. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,90 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q90.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> The invader pushed back out of France
>
> 4,12 : An invader hunted out of borders of France. The aggression results from
> the alliance of at least two nations. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,12 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q12.htm>
>
>
> 9,25 : Hispano-Americans cross the Atlantic, in the spring of a non-specified
> year, to free France then under the rule of Moslem forces at the time of the
> next world conflict.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,25 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q25.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A monument erected in Maine-and-Loire
>
> 8,36 : The construction of an imposing work of art in the French department of
> the Maine-and-Loire. Opposition of the nation to the project at the exception of
> the Jura and the Haute-Saône. Consecration of the monument by the pope. Events
> to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,36 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q36.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Concession of a territory of the Aquitaine to England
>
> 9,6 : The concession to England of a territory of the Aquitaine, and reign of
> the Great Monarch at the time of, or following, the next world conflict.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,6 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q6.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A Counter-attack that fails in Italy, against the aggressor,
>
> 9,43 : Naval interventions in the Adriatic against a western fleet, by ten
> Moslem ships either because of a treason or because of an Islamic intelligence
> service particularly efficient.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,43 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q43.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Defeat of the aggressor in Italy
>
> 4,34 : A future world war where the chief of aggressors would possibly be
> delivered in the hands of his enemies after a defeat without precedent in Italy.
> Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,34 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q34.htm>
>
>
> 5,23 : Continuation of the two previous quatrains. Defeat of Libya, allied to
> Islam, in this war of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,23 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q23.htm>
>
>
> 6,28 : A future French chief, both military and religious, frees the city of
> Rome during a confrontation of the third world war. The ultimate battle between
> belligerents occurs in the Alps. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,28 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q28.htm>
>
>
> 7,28 : A military chief captured by a valorous war facing many perils to cross
> some occupied territories. The success of the mission in spite of the loss of 30
> men. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 7,28 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/settima%20centuria/c7q28.htm>
>
> 8,73 : The capture of the chief of armies of invasion during the world war
> announced in the previous quatrain. His public execution for crimes of war hides
> a less noble incentive. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,73 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q73.htm>
>
> 9,33 : Possibly Napoleon, and the wars of Italy, but more probably the future
> great monarch called to push back the Islamic forces during the war that they
> will undertake against Italy.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,33 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q33.htm>
>
>
>
> 10,80 : The liberation of Rome by armies of the great Chiren and two allies that
> sink the Moslem fleet in the Italian harbors.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,80 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q80.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> The invader pushed back to Tunis
>
> 9,42 : The final counter-offensive against the Moslem fleets at the time of the
> next world conflict whereas Spain Italy and Monaco would be experiencing an
> important epidemic. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,42 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q42.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Long period of prosperity after the victory
>
> 10,89 : The auspicious time, following the liberation of France by the great
> Monarch from the Islamist oppressor, that will ream in peace during a very long
> time.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 10,89 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/decima%20centuria/c10q89.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Sharing of a war loot; the Tuscans and Greeks touched by the conflict (2002?)
>
> 1,83 : Tuscany, Italy and Greece, the sharing of some loot, future event (May
> 2002?).
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 1,83 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q83.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Consecration of a great monarch and reconquest of islands of the Ionie
>
> 9,21 : The consecration of the great monarch and his reconquering of the Greek
> island composing the ancient Ionia after a journey by France et the ex-Yugoslavia.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 9,21 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/nona%20centuria/c9q21.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Armies in movement in Europe
>
> 2,22 : The disappearance of an island. Some armies, making movement in Europe,
> crushed just as the chief of a great nation would be put down. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 2,22 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q22.htm>
>
>
> 4,5: Spain and France unite their strengths in a terrifying military
> confrontation. The final victory of troops identified under the symbol of the
> cross and the universal peace that would result. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,5 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q5.htm>
>
>
> 5,74 : The birth in Germany of an exceptional being, descended from the ancient
> Roman blood, called to become the military chief that will defeat Islam and give
> back to the church of Rome its glory of yesteryear, at the conclusion of an
> important military conflict to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,74 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q74.htm>
>
>
> 5,100 : Alliances between Germany and France during a war to come. The Southwest
> of France at the heart of the conflict. Important destructions in Carcassonne.
> One adopts the strategy of the " burnt " earth.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,100 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q100.htm>
>
>
> 6,40 : A Great one from the German city of Mainz deprived of his dignity.
> Compassion demonstrated towards him by the inhabitants of Cologne. The tragic
> end of his disciples. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,40 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q40.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Important confrontation in the Turkish straits
>
> 3,68 : An important military confrontation in the region of the straits of the
> Bosporus and the Dardanelles where Spaniards and Italian troops would undergo
> very dear losses in human lives. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,68 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q68.htm>
>
>
> 5,90 : A war of the future will last nine months inside the territory of the
> actual Greece and in the straits of the Bosporus and the Dardanelles. Strong
> probability that it was about one of the phases of the third world conflict.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,90 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q90.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Invasion of two neighboring countries of the Middle East
>
> 3,4 : Invasion of two adjoining countries of the Middle East. A direct
> consequence of the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. Event to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,4 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q4.htm>
>
>
> 6,85 : The possible destruction of the Turkish city of Tarsus by the French
> armies. Moslem defenders brought in captivity. Intervention of Portugal in the
> matter. A pope to come adopts the name "Urban" for his pontificate. The
> importance of June 21st of this same year of the announced events.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,85 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q85.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> The Middle East surrounded by its enemies
>
> 3,31 : The Middle East grasped by the allied armies, at the conclusion of the
> first and the second world conflict. Repetition of the same phenomenon in a
> conflict to come, marked by the massacre of the family of an important leader of
> a country of Islam.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 3,31 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/terza%20centuria/c3q31.htm>
>
>
> 4,95 : The world aligns on two superpowers: America and the Islamic block. World
> war stretching over 43 months. Victory of the West and its allies. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,95 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q95.htm>
>
>
> 5,16 : The defeat of Islam at the end of a future world conflict. Misfortunes of
> the island of Rhodes at the same moment. Southern Iraq invaded and the cruel
> repression that would be exercised there.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 5,16 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quinta%20centuria/c5q16.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A war of a length of seven months
>
> 4,100 : A war of a length of seven months ending by the defeat of troop
> qualified of the term mischievous. Destruction, by a weapon of the sky, of a
> royal palace. The planet Mars invisible at that moment. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 4,100 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q100.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Several cities of the globe become inhabitable
>
> 2,95 : Cities of the globe become inhabitable. Townsmen, constrained to return
> to sources, must learn to cultivate the earth to survive all over again.
> Apocalyptic events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 2,95 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q95.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Political tumults in north Africa
>
> 6,54 : A gesture of treason done by the populations of Tunisia, Algeria and
> Morocco provokes the arrest of the monarch of this later country. Event dated
> precisely by Nostradamus that will occur in 2180 of the Christian era.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,54 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q54.htm>
>
>
> 6,80 : A future leader, originating from Fez in Morocco, imposes his law. His
> Asian allies invade Europe. Defenders associated to the cross, as well as to a
> flag that bears the colors blue and pers. Events of the future.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 6,80 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/sesta%20centuria/c6q80.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> The Middle Orient and its future role in the sharing of the world
>
> 2,73 : The Middle East and its future role in the sharing of the world.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 2,73 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q73.htm>
>
>
> 8,59 : The ancient Moslem Empire knows a new height. The world war that results
> from the ambition of its new leaders. The eventual defeat of the aggressor. The
> Orient and the Occidental extremely weakened by the ferocious combats that will
> have taken place. Events to come.
>
> Original editions with good translation for this 8,59 quatrain
> <http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q59.htm>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> (Top of page <#debut> )
>
>
>

startum

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> As I said, just speculation but I wouldn't want to be there if it
> happens, not to mention the effects on earth from the sudden loss of
> billions of tons of matter. and who knows the gate might swing both
> ways and we could end up with aliens wondering where the hell they are
> and how the hell they got here.

And mad as hell!


cesar

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"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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> The fact that you ignore that most of the quatrains that remain to happen,
the
> gtreat majority of them, shows you are an impsoter and a fraud.
>
> there si no other possible interpretation for these. No exegete ever
considered
> anything else than a future invasion of Europe by Muslims.
>
> You are a fraud, that is all you are ""cesar"", you have absolutely no
clue adn
> do not blelong here and so far all you do is use Nostradamus to spread
your
> lies about the US.
>
> The other liars are not as cunning I must admit. You are in fact the worse
by
> the very sacrilege of using the Seer.
>
> It is really a shame, but the Seer has a curse for people like you. You
should
> expect the worse soon.
>

It is actually none of your business but I happen to know that one c7,32 is
about me. His letter to cesar also has some references about me that only I
would know, which is why I adopted the nym cesar.

But never mind that. I want to know which quatrains specifically alludes to
an invasion of Europe by Muslims. Don't change the subject. Show us what
an exegete you are instead of polluting this newsgroup with pro-Bush,
anti-Islamic neocon bullshit.

And again you make veiled threats at me. What do you mean by "expect the
worse soon"?

cesar


Jean Guernon

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cesar a écrit:

> "Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
> news:KYAmc.14820135$Id.24...@news.easynews.com...
>
>
>
>>The fact that you ignore that most of the quatrains that remain to happen,
>
> the
>
>>gtreat majority of them, shows you are an impsoter and a fraud.
>>
>>there si no other possible interpretation for these. No exegete ever
>
> considered
>
>>anything else than a future invasion of Europe by Muslims.
>>
>>You are a fraud, that is all you are ""cesar"", you have absolutely no
>
> clue adn
>
>>do not blelong here and so far all you do is use Nostradamus to spread
>
> your
>
>>lies about the US.
>>
>>The other liars are not as cunning I must admit. You are in fact the worse
>
> by
>
>>the very sacrilege of using the Seer.
>>
>>It is really a shame, but the Seer has a curse for people like you. You
>
> should
>
>>expect the worse soon.
>>
>
>
> It is actually none of your business but I happen to know that one c7,32 is
> about me. His letter to cesar also has some references about me that only I
> would know, which is why I adopted the nym cesar.
>
> But never mind that. I want to know which quatrains specifically alludes to
> an invasion of Europe by Muslims.

Liar.

Nova Carta

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"Que sera, sera" Ok, I must have misread your post. However, my vague
memory of the hostages in Iran reminds me that Jimmy Carter failed to
rescue them by the military might he did send there. Of, course it
wasn't anything like an army. It was just a covert operation (if my
memory serves me right). I just find it implausable for the US to go
to war over this matter when it is seen in isolation. I believe that
if such a scenario were to take place then there must be other factors
at play.

China is doing pretty well in world trade and there are a lot of
chinese people growing wealthy. While it remains a communist state, it
has embraced some of the values of capitalism. It is perceivable that
a hard line group could seize power and clamp down on the chinese
people. However, if diplomats are killed and war ensues then I believe
that the death of the diplomats will be the straw that breaks the
camel's back rather than a singular incident that outrages the US into
war. If war does come because of it, then it will come as a surprise
to the Chinese, unless of course, they believe they can defeat the US.

I will wait and see.

Nova


On 6 May 2004 12:42:12 GMT, cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Claude

Claude Latremouille

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On 6 May 2004 11:43:55 -0700, abook...@yahoo.com (Michael Johnathan
McDonald) wrote about what
*

cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Claude Latremouille) wrote in message
news:<c7cg70$sj8$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>...
*

>> >> And when the US, intending to nuke Tienanmen, immediately
>> >> retaliates against Peking,
>
>
>Claude , Peking is called Beijing in the west. So if the west wants to
>know what city your are speaking about use the newer version.
>Westerners have a hard time pronouncing the picturebet of Chinese
>writing so they familiarize it with western equivalent characters.
*
This very point was discussed last July (when Mark was making a
similar point) and, as I have nothing new to add to it, I would
suggest that you search Google to retrieve that exchange. I have
just done that, and it is still there to be consulted.
*
In my first reply to Mark, I had indicated that I had been the
very first person to think about this point. Quite normal, in the
circumstances, as I had just decyphered the hidden text which
does refer (in French) to "Péquin" (most of the time), and to
"Pékin" (once) where Nostradamus uses a very rare "k" in his
original text.

*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
=== cla...@torfree.net ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================

Anon Ymous

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Jean Guernon <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<4zDmc.14920365$Of.24...@news.easynews.com>...
> cesar notaprophet a écrit:

> > It is actually none of your business but I happen to know that one c7,32 is
> > about me. His letter to cesar also has some references about me that only I
> > would know, which is why I adopted the nym cesar.

> Liar.

Hey Jean, I dont think this necessarily proves he is a liar. He could
be, but he could also be incredibly stupid, megalomaniacal, insane,
gullible or some combination of some of the above. You really should
ask yourself, "does cesar really believe what he just posted or is he
trolling. Personally, I think he believes it, but Im an optimist and
still understand the possibility that he might be a very persistant
(ad nauseum) troll. So, I dont think it's fair to call him a liar
(except for the fact that he lies to himself).

I really think he deserves our pity. If he walked around his town
asserting the kinds of nonsense he does on here, he would be
institutionalized (which is why he uses the internet to feed his
delusion and always will). There's no way to tell if he's a troll or
a kook or an idiot, but I think "idiotic kook" fits him better than
"liar."

> > Don't change the subject. Show us what
> > an exegete you are instead of polluting this newsgroup with pro-Bush,
> > anti-Islamic neocon bullshit.

Notice how he applies a standard to you which he cant live up to
himself. He pollutes the NG with anti-Semitic, anti-American B.S.
while never providing
any credible exegesis himself. For instance, his idea of exegesis is
saying that N. mentions him directly. And he doenst claim to think
this, but to "know" it. He's one sorry sap.

S~

Claude Latremouille

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On Fri, 07 May 2004 12:58:46 GMT, Nova Carta <re...@newsgroup.net>
still did not want his article to be archived...

*
>X-No-Archive: yes
*
...but nevertheless wrote:
*
>"Que sera, sera" Ok, I must have misread your post. However, my vague
>memory of the hostages in Iran reminds me that Jimmy Carter failed to
>rescue them by the military might he did send there. Of, course it
>wasn't anything like an army. It was just a covert operation (if my
>memory serves me right). I just find it implausable for the US to go
>to war over this matter when it is seen in isolation. I believe that
>if such a scenario were to take place then there must be other factors
>at play.
>
>China is doing pretty well in world trade and there are a lot of
>chinese people growing wealthy. While it remains a communist state, it
>has embraced some of the values of capitalism. It is perceivable that
>a hard line group could seize power and clamp down on the chinese
>people. However, if diplomats are killed and war ensues then I believe
>that the death of the diplomats will be the straw that breaks the
>camel's back rather than a singular incident that outrages the US into
>war. If war does come because of it, then it will come as a surprise
>to the Chinese, unless of course, they believe they can defeat the US.
>
>I will wait and see.
>
>Nova
*
A reasonable attitude in the circumstances but... why do you keep
missing the point? In the decyphered text, there is NO WAR
between the US and China. It is the second time in so many posts
that you assert that there is. And the reason there is no war is
simple: the ICBM intended to nuke Peking *never gets there*. Is
this too simple to understand?
*
As to what you may find plausible or implausible, well, all I can
say, thinking of other factors at play, is that... you are no
Kennedy! :-)

*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559

*
=== cla...@torfree.net ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================

Nova Carta

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Dear Claude

I understand there is no actual war but given your statement;


"And when the US, intending to nuke Tienanmen, immediately

retaliates against Peking," I must assume there is an intended strike
against Peking. Forgive me if I am wrong but a nuclear strike sounds
like a pretty overt declaration of war to me. Even if the strike
missed it's mark by the breadth of a continent. Ok, the US may then
pull its head in and not proceed against China. However, once the
Chinese learn that, what hit Paris was intended for them, they are
unlikely to sit back and say. "not to worry". Unless of course they
never find out.

Nova


On 7 May 2004 16:41:13 GMT, cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Claude

Jean Guernon

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Anon Ymous a écrit:

> Jean Guernon <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<4zDmc.14920365$Of.24...@news.easynews.com>...
>
>>cesar notaprophet a écrit:
>
>
>>>It is actually none of your business but I happen to know that one c7,32 is
>>>about me. His letter to cesar also has some references about me that only I
>>>would know, which is why I adopted the nym cesar.
>
>
>
>>Liar.
>
>
> Hey Jean, I dont think this necessarily proves he is a liar. He could
> be, but he could also be incredibly stupid, megalomaniacal, insane,
> gullible or some combination of some of the above. You really should
> ask yourself, "does cesar really believe what he just posted or is he
> trolling. Personally, I think he believes it, but Im an optimist and

OK stop.

I am saying he is a liar becasue I posted all the 100% sure to be relevant
quatrains and he snipped them and ask the same stupid question again.

I mean, he can be braindead and not tknow the quatrains about teh next WW, but
when they are shown to him and referencved, one by obne, and he snips it and ask
the same question and says he is interested, WHICH IS A LIE... See?

He is like this little diseased doggie, Tom the tw; when you put the answer in
front of his eyes, he snips it and repeats the question, and acts as if there is
no answer from you but he would be interested if tehre were one. Note that maybe
tw is an anti-semite, but at least he doesn't use Nostradamus, he is not that
wicked I guess, or not that bright, anyway, he doesn't have that knowledge, even
if he is quite a little devil who abuses the NG, but he does not abuse the Seer
Himself, see?

This guy cesar really abuses the Seer by his very exactions. They both have the
same agenda though, apparently. Do you see what I mean now?

J.

cesar

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Unfortunately you don't supply any rationale for your particular
interpretations. Just conclusions obviously based on a preconceived
anti-Islamic agenda. Are these your works or that of Michel Dufresne?
O.K. There's a lot here. Nevertheless I will check each one and state my
critiques, time permitting.

However, you should not be calling me a "fraud". I make a serious effort at
interpreting the end time quatrains that may have more validity than yours.
Also I am not anti-American any more than an anti-Bush, anti-war,
anti-neocon American is anti-American. You should not assume that all
Americans are pro-neocons like you are. I am anti-evil. And to paint
Muslims as evil people just because you don't like them is being a racist,
just as bad as being anti-semite, which I not either.

cesar


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Jean Guernon

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cesar a écrit:

> Unfortunately you don't supply any rationale for your particular
> interpretations. Just conclusions obviously based on a preconceived
> anti-Islamic agenda.

Only in your dreams. This is Nostradamus agenda.

> Are these your works or that of Michel Dufresne?

Our work is one collection. He started it, with the Nostradamus dictionary based
on a 1605 edition we published, then went on to research and write one century a
year. He died and I finished it. It took well over ten years of full time daily
research to complete the Centuries. I am the surviving author of our collection.


> O.K. There's a lot here. Nevertheless I will check each one and state my
> critiques, time permitting.
>
> However, you should not be calling me a "fraud". I make a serious effort at
> interpreting the end time quatrains that may have more validity than yours.
> Also I am not anti-American any more than an anti-Bush, anti-war,
> anti-neocon American is anti-American.

Except you are a pro terrorist anti-semite who despise your government. So yes
you are all the above.

> You should not assume that all
> Americans are pro-neocons like you are.

I am pro truth. And I hate terrorists and all the assholes who support them
including the indoctrinated Muslims. I am not neo-conserative. Nor neo-liberal.
Politically, I have been a Green candidate at two elections on the other hand,
but that was before the anti-semite Nader who is now a thing of the past. How
many elections have you presented your candidacy to?

> I am anti-evil.

Bullshit, you are pro-evil if you take the side of pro terrorists.

> And to paint
> Muslims as evil people just because you don't like them is being a racist,
> just as bad as being anti-semite, which I not either.
>

I agree with that. No one does that. Reasons of evil is support of serial
killers, and of any lies just to destroy what is not like them. This is the
truth. You have just to open your eyes to the truth. To be against terrorists
who murder innocents, or Muslims who blindly are against anything the US or
Israel does, is NOT neo-conservative. Only pro terrorists say such things, and
pretend UN resolutions say the exact opposite of what they say.

Neo-conservatives have nothing to do with any of that.

Anyway, we are the most advanced in interpretations of Nostradamus work, but all
the other exegetes we quote, all the well known exegete in the world, all see
the Muslim invasion of Europe. Hell, even Lemesurier who pretends all concerns
the past admits this part, even if nothing else.

You are the only one who make up that it is not there. It is black on white each
Arab country are very often named with what they will do.

Anyway, you obviously have no clue about your research on Nostradamus. maybe you
barely start. The truth of the matter is that if you were really looking for the
truth and not for some political agenda, you would know at least this much about
the prophecies of the Seer.

J.

> cesar
>
>
> "Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
> news:KYAmc.14820135$Id.24...@news.easynews.com...
>
>>
>>Jean Guernon a écrit:
>>

>>[snip]
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Jean Guernon

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Or maybe you are a naive easily influenced young man...

J.

Jean Guernon a écrit:

cesar

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"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:BpXmc.14885794$Id.24...@news.easynews.com...
>
>
> cesar a écrit:

>
> > Unfortunately you don't supply any rationale for your particular
> > interpretations. Just conclusions obviously based on a preconceived
> > anti-Islamic agenda.
>
> Only in your dreams. This is Nostradamus agenda.

>
> > Are these your works or that of Michel Dufresne?
>
> Our work is one collection. He started it, with the Nostradamus dictionary
based
> on a 1605 edition we published, then went on to research and write one
century a
> year. He died adn I finished it. It took well over ten years of full time

daily
> research to complete the Centuries. I am the surviving author of our
collection.
>
>
> > O.K. There's a lot here. Nevertheless I will check each one and state
my
> > critiques, time permitting.
> >
> > However, you should not be calling me a "fraud". I make a serious
effort at
> > interpreting the end time quatrains that may have more validity than
yours.
> > Also I am not anti-American any more than an anti-Bush, anti-war,
> > anti-neocon American is anti-American.
>
> Except you are a pro-terrorist anti-semite who despise your government. So

yes
> you are all the above.
>
> > You should not assume that all
> > Americans are pro-neocons like you are.
>
> I am pro-truth. And I hate terrorists and all the assholes who support
them
> including the endoctrinated Muslims. I am not neo-conserative. Nor
neo-liberal.
> Politically, I have been a Green cadidate at two elections on the other

hand,
> but that was before the anti-semite Nader who is now a thing of the past.
How
> many elections have you presented your candidacy to?
>
> > I am anti-evil.
>
> Bullshit, you are pro-evil if you take the side of pro-terrorists.

>
> > And to paint
> > Muslims as evil people just because you don't like them is being a
racist,
> > just as bad as being anti-semite, which I not either.
> >
>
> I agree with that. No one does that. Reasons of evil is support of serial
> killers, and of any lies just to destroy waht is not like them. This is
the
> truth. You have just to open your eyes to the truth. To be agasint
terrorists
> who murder innocents, or Muslims who blindly are agaisnt anythign the US
or
> Israel does, is NOT neo-conservative. Only pro-terrorists say such things,

and
> pretend UN resolutions say the exact opposite of what they say.
> Neo-conservatives have nothing to do with any of that.
>

You answered your own question. You are political; I am not. Typical of
the Green party, which has never had ANY credibility, you see things too
simplistically. There may be more to "terrorism" than meets the eye. War
against Terrorism is illogical. What is terrorism? It is a crime. You
cannot conduct a war against a crime. Wars are fought against identifiable
enemies with a sound strategy conforming to international laws and with a
clear goal and exit strategy. Terrorists can be anyone. The FLQ were
terrorists and all French Canadians with a beard were rounded up for
questioning. Was that right? Canadian soldiers were at every street
corner. Who were they aiming at? It was only a psychological show of
force but it was pretty silly, don't you agree? Do you have a beard, btw
and were you in Montreal around the early 70's? If so, you'll know what I'm
talking about. The neocons, who are in fact a pro-Israel, right wing Jewish
American hawks (and they don't hide that fact so you can't cry "anti-semite"
here) have found that fundamentalist Islamic terrorism suited their agenda
just fine. So, when al-Qaeda strikes at America, it gives reason for
America to strike back at any country that can be framed by al-Qaeda. If
Islamic countries really hated the West, they'd be really at their throats,
which they're not. Indonesia, with 800 million Muslims are not arming and
mobilizing or threatening war against Christian countries. Neither is Iran
or Turkey or Egypt or any other Islamic country. People are people. They
just want to live in Peace and trade with other countries. The only Islamic
countries with terrorist activity are not even countries. They are Islamic
people seeking to regain their country or form their own country like
Chechnyans and Palestinians. These are no different than Shining Path or
Basque or IRA, etc. Al Qaeda ought to be investigated more as to their true
origin and agenda. Its purported goal does not seem to benefit anyone
except those who are against Islam.

You are a victim of demagoguery, not pro-truth because you have concluded
that Islam was evil and you refuse to investigate the Prophecies to find the
truth.


cesar

Claude Latremouille

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On Fri, 07 May 2004 21:41:47 GMT, Nova Carta <re...@newsgroup.net>

still did not want his article to be archived...
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>X-No-Archive: yes
*
...but nevertheless wrote:
*
>Dear Claude
>
> I understand there is no actual war but given your statement;
>"And when the US, intending to nuke Tienanmen, immediately
>retaliates against Peking," I must assume there is an intended strike
>against Peking. Forgive me if I am wrong but a nuclear strike sounds
>like a pretty overt declaration of war to me. Even if the strike
>missed it's mark by the breadth of a continent. Ok, the US may then
>pull its head in and not proceed against China. However, once the
>Chinese learn that, what hit Paris was intended for them, they are
>unlikely to sit back and say. "not to worry". Unless of course they
>never find out.
>
>Nova
*
An intended strike is not a strike. Absent a strike against
Peking, no act of war is actually committed against Peking. The
US is so convinced that her missile has hit Tienanmen that she
does not... try again. China learns -- like everybody else --
that Paris has been destroyed. For a while, the US denies that
her missile destroyed Paris. As she has not been attacked, China
does not retaliate against a non-existent attack.
*
Everything seems logical so far. As to China, as she is in the
throes of a (second) Communist Revolution, she has other things
to do than to start a nuclear war. What the revolutionaries
intended was to enrage beyond belief this paper tiger. They
succeeded.
*
As to the decyphered prophecy, prior to August 13, 2017, all
three Governments -- the Chinese, the American and the French --
officially deny that it comes from Nostradamus and describe it as
a pure invention on my part.

*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================

Jean Guernon

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cesar a écrit:

Yes you are, and thus you are a liar.

Your sidings with the enemies of democracy against the US and with the assholes
here is political. That you have no idea that terrorism is more than a crime, it
is a Geneva Convention mater and there is a war against it, as I have shown you
thoroughly but you dismisses and still maintain your simplistic lies is also
(albeit very simplistic - childish in fact) propaganda lies. This too is political.

But true, you are also an idiot... to think no one else who matters here doesn't
see that.

You should start changing your strategy because you fool no one here, and only
those who support the lies you support will pretend otherwise, but they are
idiots too.

J.

Michael Johnathan McDonald

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"cesar" <ce...@no.email> wrote in message news:<ZaYmc.454579$2oI1....@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...


Ceasr, Do you offer a solution or just investigate Al Qaeda more as a
recommendation? Because if you want me to give you specifics on Arab
terrorist attacks against Americans and there targets back to the
early decades of the founding of America, be my guest? So finding out
the origins of terrorism can be taken one back to Mesopotamia periods.
Yes, there were Arabs and Non-Arab people inhabiting the region at the
same time and terrorism.

So what is your solution? To go into Pakistan after Usama when nuclear
missiles are pointed at India and any freak of nature could happen and
one of those things are set off and blamed on the west? Fighting
terrorism does not happen over night. Just as the Israelis have
learned. Its called little by little.

cesar

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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abook...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Going back to the quatrain, contre Roy Paz means the Antichrist. Whether
those degrading atrocities were perpetrated by sadistic soldiers on their
own or ordered by higher ups, the result is that Islamic hatred against
America will increase a thousand fold. It will have achieved its aim, which
is Bush's call for a Jihad and the Final Solution. He did say "Bring it
On!" and "We'll all be dead", didn't he? He wants nothing less than a
show down. Al Qaeda, of course, will try to ignite the spark of Islamic
response. The idea, of course, is to taunt Iran, the largest military power
of the region into action. Let's hope it doesn't work. Let's hope the
Arab and Islamic world will simply shake their heads in disgust, turn the
other cheek and not call for any all-out Jihad to avenge the worst done to
their religious dignity. Of course, when al-Qaeda strikes, it will be
blamed as an Islamic retaliation. What else can it possibly be, right? The
stage is being set for the destruction of Babylon the Great and a nuclear
counter attack against Iran.

If you think the U.S. is withdrawing due to worldwide condemnation, you bet
they will. What a face-saving way to get out of the quagmire. Blame it on
the red neck trailer trash recruits. Then when America gets attacked by
al-Qaeda using nuclear, wham! The response will have to be nuclear.

Don't forget that things are not as they seem.

Le Contre Roy Paz the Master of Deceit.

cesar


Nova Carta

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Dear Claude

Firstly I wasn't aware these messages were archived, but if someone
wants to archive them, then let them go ahead. However, saying that, I
can't remember how to change that X-No archive thing anyway.

Now to your response. Thank you. Since China doesn't know the nuke was
intended for them, then obviously they don't respond. I guess the
French are in a quandary though. Is there a chance they retaliate
against the US, after all they are also a nuclear power. It would be
interesting to see the look on the faces of the Generals in Washington
when Tienamen square is still there after they think they nuked it. I
would love to be in the Oval Office when that happens. :o)


BTW: I'm not from the U.S. Neither is my name Al. So bidding me a nice
day, though a wonderful gesture on your part, seems as though you are
trying to imitate a southern U.S. accent or, by the use of "ye" are
trying to use old English.

You can simply say; "You have a good day" or if you prefer old
English, "Fare thee well".


I understand that you feel you have the right interpretation for
Nostradamus prophecy. As for me, I shall take a wait and see attitude,
for I have seen many prophets and their words have yet gone
unfulfilled.


Claude, may the God of all things grant you the eyes to see, the ears
to hear and the wisdom to discern, that which is His truth.

Until next time, fare thee well.

Nova

On 8 May 2004 05:51:59 GMT, cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Claude

Claude Latremouille

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On Sun, 09 May 2004 04:59:43 GMT, Nova Carta <re...@newsgroup.net>
using...
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>X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American)
*
...without knowing how to turn off the
*
>X-No-Archive: yes
*
...option, wrote in part about the decyphered prophecy:
*

> Since China doesn't know the nuke was
>intended for them, then obviously they don't respond. I guess the
>French are in a quandary though. Is there a chance they retaliate
>against the US, after all they are also a nuclear power. It would be
>interesting to see the look on the faces of the Generals in Washington
>when Tienamen square is still there after they think they nuked it. I
>would love to be in the Oval Office when that happens. :o)
*
Funny, I just knew you would be alluding to a possible French
retaliation. Indeed, France is also a nuclear power (that's why
Paris finds herself in the list of US potential targets for her
nuclear force).
*
France knows that a mistake has been made by her best friend, the
US, and knowing that, it cannot retaliate *as if* the nuking of
Paris had been intentional. Her President, however, does ask for
the death penalty for the very stupid and very young soldier
responsible for the worst snafu in history.
*
As to the look on the face of US Generals in Washington (assuming
that they are still in Washington and not in an anti-nuclear
bunker after having intended to nuke Peking), the decyphered
prophecy does not comment on it.
*
And I do not believe that you would love to have been in the
White House when you might have seen one of your best friends,
recently appointed and confirmed as US Ambasador to Peking
slaughtered with his entire male staff by the Chinese Communist
Revolutionaries; nor do I believe that you would love to have
been in the White House when you learn that Paris has been
destroyed but are told by your generals that they didn't do it;
nor do I believe that you would love to have been in the White
House after you had read Nostradamus' decyphered prophecy
informing you that you would be elected US President in November
2016, just in time to become President in January 2017, just in
time to laugh at the decyphered prophecy, just in time to have
sent a trusted US expert in nuclear matters to Paris in August
2017 to reassure her good people that this so-called Nostradamus
prophecy is nothing but the ramblings of an old fool from Toronto
dating back to 1996 and that they have nothing to fear from the
US, on August 13, 2017.
*
Had you been in President Kennedy's shoes, after all of this, you
might even have contemplated suicide.
*

>BTW: I'm not from the U.S.
*
I couldn't care less where you are from.
*
[...]
*

>I understand that you feel you have the right interpretation for
>Nostradamus prophecy. As for me, I shall take a wait and see attitude,
>for I have seen many prophets and their words have yet gone
>unfulfilled.
*
For the zillionth time in this NewsGroup, I am neither a seer nor
a prophet. And you have also missed the whole point: these are
not interpretations, they are decypherings of Nostradamus'
published meaningful gobbledygook, which you can't read. Thus:
*
--------------------- C E N T V R I E___I X. -----------------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
*
------------------------- X L I I I I. -----------------------
--------- Migres migre de Genesue trestous, ------------------
--------- Saturne d'or en fer se changera, -------------------
--------- Le contre R A Y P O Z exterminera tous, ------------
--------- Auant l'a ruent le ciel signes fera. ---------------
*
Which is the published meaningful gobbledygook. The decyphered
text about the unintended destruction of Paris follows:
*
--------- Bien des Gens d'US meurent esgorgés ----------------
--------- dans la très féroce Chine auant --------------------
--------- l'exterminatyon à zéro (pour ce très ---------------
--------- cruel aduent) de nostre digne Paris. ---------------
*
A text which, if I were able to translate it into an equivalent
form of English, would then become an interpretation. Which is
why I leave it *as is*. After all, it is intended for the good
people of Paris, to allow them to flee the city in time for the
unintended nuking of their beloved city on a most beautiful
Sunday, August 13, 2017, at 3:53 a.m., after an eclipse of the
Moon and before an eclipse of the Sun, when Saturn is in
Sagittarius.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!

*
Claude Latrémouille
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================

Nova Carta

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Dear Claude

I wasn't here for the previous times you declared yourself as a
decypherer of prophesy. You are right I would not really wish to be
anywhere near Washington or even the USA when this catastrophe occurs.
Let us hope that Michelle's prophecy in this instance is averted.

Nova


On 9 May 2004 13:59:38 GMT, cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Claude

Anon Ymous

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Jean Guernon <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<QCWmc.4028743$iA2.4...@news.easynews.com>...

> Anon Ymous a écrit:
>
> > Jean Guernon <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<4zDmc.14920365$Of.24...@news.easynews.com>...
> >
> >>cesar notaprophet a écrit:
> >
> >
> >>>It is actually none of your business but I happen to know that one c7,32 is
> >>>about me. His letter to cesar also has some references about me that only I
> >>>would know, which is why I adopted the nym cesar.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Liar.
> >
> >
> > Hey Jean, I dont think this necessarily proves he is a liar. He could
> > be, but he could also be incredibly stupid, megalomaniacal, insane,
> > gullible or some combination of some of the above. You really should
> > ask yourself, "does cesar really believe what he just posted or is he
> > trolling. Personally, I think he believes it, but Im an optimist and
>
> OK stop.
>
> I am saying he is a liar becasue I posted all the 100% sure to be relevant
> quatrains and he snipped them and ask the same stupid question again.
>
> I mean, he can be braindead and not tknow the quatrains about teh next WW, but
> when they are shown to him and referencved, one by obne, and he snips it and ask
> the same question and says he is interested, WHICH IS A LIE... See?

Ahhhh, I see it now. Couple of posts up--I hadnt read that post. You
list a whole boatload of quatrains in answer to his question and he
just snipped them implying that you never answered his question.

I think, though, that you may be underestimating how deluded and
stupid (rather than dishonest) he really is. If an idea doesnt fit
into his twisted and continuously teetering house-of-cards cosmogony,
he will simply refuse to see it.

> He is like this little diseased doggie, Tom the tw; when you put the answer in
> front of his eyes, he snips it and repeats the question, and acts as if there is
> no answer from you but he would be interested if tehre were one. Note that maybe
> tw is an anti-semite, but at least he doesn't use Nostradamus, he is not that
> wicked I guess, or not that bright, anyway, he doesn't have that knowledge, even
> if he is quite a little devil who abuses the NG, but he does not abuse the Seer
> Himself, see?

I have a lot more respect for tw than I do cesar. Tw is capable of
self-examination and criticism. He doesnt like it (who does?), but he
can do it. Cesar/tyk on the other hand, is completely incapable of
seeing his mistakes. He truly thinks both the Bible and N. refer to
him directly. He mistakenly thinks he has divinely inspired
visions/trances/predictions/etc. which he sees as accurate no matter
how flagrantly wrong they turn out to be. He cant make mistakes
because he thinks the info he imagines comes from GAWD ALMIGHTY.

> This guy cesar really abuses the Seer by his very exactions. They both have the
> same agenda though, apparently. Do you see what I mean now?

Like I said, I dont think he realizes that he is being exacting. He
really believes you never answered him. Tw and cesar might both
criticize the U.S., but their approach to God and the Universe is
vastly different. I think they both are too attached to their
agendas, but Ive seen tw take a second look. Cesar cant do that. He
twists and twists until he pops. Then he'll leave for awhile only to
come back (usually when he thinks Im not around) and tell people he is
a witness in Revelation or is some reincarnation of N.'s son.

S~

Jean Guernon

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Anon Ymous a écrit:

Yes, maybe. He did re-reply and included them the next time around, as if he got
he couldn't get away with this game. But I think you are right, he has a very
simplistic view in which the US is the big Satan and he is sure that the fight
for freedom is much worse than those who try to destroy democracy at all cost in
order to rule by fanaticism or terror. i doNt, know how he can make that fit
Nostradamus view, but he doens't know much about the Seer, just pretend he does
because he has made some projection of his own - indeed schizophrenic -
propaganda painted, world on some (very few - he is not even aware of the
multitude that are about he war to come) quatrains.

>
>
>>He is like this little diseased doggie, Tom the tw; when you put the answer in
>>front of his eyes, he snips it and repeats the question, and acts as if there is
>>no answer from you but he would be interested if tehre were one. Note that maybe
>>tw is an anti-semite, but at least he doesn't use Nostradamus, he is not that
>>wicked I guess, or not that bright, anyway, he doesn't have that knowledge, even
>>if he is quite a little devil who abuses the NG, but he does not abuse the Seer
>>Himself, see?
>
>
> I have a lot more respect for tw than I do cesar. Tw is capable of
> self-examination and criticism.

I haen,t seen tw make any real criticism, even debinked to the bone, he always
repeat his lies and make as if he wasn't shown wtrong. The only difference is
that tw despises the quatrains. Has absolutely no concern for the group or the
topic, is here only to boost his ego and show is is a smart alec by spreading
propaganda lies that he thinks make him look like the clever liberal dude.

> He doesnt like it (who does?), but he
> can do it. Cesar/tyk on the other hand, is completely incapable of
> seeing his mistakes. He truly thinks both the Bible and N. refer to
> him directly.

Yes, I must admit it is quite Schizo.

> He mistakenly thinks he has divinely inspired
> visions/trances/predictions/etc. which he sees as accurate no matter
> how flagrantly wrong they turn out to be. He cant make mistakes
> because he thinks the info he imagines comes from GAWD ALMIGHTY.
>

Hehe, indeed, he is totally deluded.

>
>>This guy cesar really abuses the Seer by his very exactions. They both have the
>>same agenda though, apparently. Do you see what I mean now?
>
>
> Like I said, I dont think he realizes that he is being exacting. He
> really believes you never answered him. Tw and cesar might both
> criticize the U.S., but their approach to God and the Universe is
> vastly different. I think they both are too attached to their
> agendas, but Ive seen tw take a second look. Cesar cant do that. He
> twists and twists until he pops. Then he'll leave for awhile only to
> come back (usually when he thinks Im not around) and tell people he is
> a witness in Revelation or is some reincarnation of N.'s son.
>
> S~

Yes, I see what you mean now, in relation with tw. In a word, Cesar is probably
more than naive... tw is much less than that.

J.

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