Ft. Hood shooter tried to contact Al Qaeda
Bob
"Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect
with Terrorists"
By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
Nov. 9, 2009
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal
Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with
al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the
case told ABC News.
It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army
that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al
Qaeda figures, the officials said. [end excerpt]
Marvin The Paranoid Android
None of this was confirmed by intelligence agencies.
Quick question -- are you an American first or a Christian first?
---
He was also given a hard time about his religion and tried several
times to leave the army.
People snap.
It happens.
Sometimes it's preventable.
Cheers.
John Lemke
> None of this was confirmed by intelligence agencies.
Intelligence? Who needs intelligence unless you're trying to hide
something?
I say we find out what the good Dr's country of origin or ancestry is
and after a heavy dose of shock and awe we invade 'em. He's an Arab,
they've got to have oil in the ground wherever he's from.
I'll bet they've even got some 10 year old yellowcake laying around in
the open somewhere.
Bob
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Nov 9, 3:47 pm, Bob <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Headline "Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda"
>
> > "Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect
> > with Terrorists"
>
> > By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
> > Nov. 9, 2009
>
> > U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal
> > Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with
> > al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the
> > case told ABC News.
>
> > It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army
> > that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al
> > Qaeda figures, the officials said. [end excerpt]
>
> >http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terr...
>
> None of this was confirmed by intelligence agencies.
Brian Ross would not put his name on that story if he didn't trust the
two sources. Other news agencies are also reporting the information as
fact.
>
> Quick question -- are you an American first or a Christian first?
Haven't I answered that question enough times for you? I just recently
expressed my revulsion for a painting that equates Jesus with our
government's leaders. As I noted at the time, Jesus is far above any
worldly government. Does that answer your question, or do I need to
explain it further?
By the way, what does your question have to do with the news reported
above?
>
> ---
>
> He was also given a hard time about his religion
There is no reason to believe that speculation. And that's all that is
-- speculation. He was an Army Major. Officers live by a code of
conduct, and one of them is that they don't give other officers a bad
time about their religion. To do so would mean the end of their
career.
But what is far more likely possible is that he was argued with about
his views on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- views he reportedly
expressed to other officers. Maybe he didn't like their arguments, and
took their point of view as giving him a hard time about his religion.
>
> and tried several times to leave the army.
No, he was reportedly in the process of trying to get out of the Army.
That speculation comes from his own extended family members, who say
he had contacted a lawyer to help him get out of the Army.
>
> People snap.
>
> It happens.
>
> Sometimes it's preventable.
It seems there were a lot of warning signs about this guy, but
political correctness may have stopped people from taking proper
action.
>
> Cheers.
Nothing to cheer about with this story.
Bob
>
> Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
>
> > None of this was confirmed by intelligence agencies.
>
> Intelligence? Who needs intelligence unless you're trying to hide
> something?
>
> I say we find out what the good Dr's country of origin or ancestry is
He was born in Virginia, but thought of himself as a Palestinian.
Woodswun
So, did he know the people he was seeking to make contact with were
associated with al Qaeda? If you tried to contact someone about an
item for sale on Craigslist, and that person was "associated with al
qaeda" ... would *you* know? No, but the intelligence agencies would!
Woods
Marvin The Paranoid Android
John Lemke!!! ((( John ))) :-D
Still got the VW van running???
Great Cheers My Friend!
Marvin The Paranoid Android
Palestinian? "Palestinian".
Now where have I heard that word before and why do I associate it with
'struggle'???
Can you help me with this???
Doc
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---
People snap.
It happens.
Sometimes it's preventable.
Cheers.
Well, Marv, what really concerns me are the assertions of military spokesmen
that the 13 dead had given their lives 'for their country.'
Now, unless I missed something, that description would be reserved for those
in combat action against a known enemy.
Obviously, the investigations have not reached a conclusive stage, so why is
this description being used prematurely, if not erroneously?
What we have right now with available background, scene, and forensic
evidence is that this is mentally ill man whose Islamic faith appears quite
strong, and who was at least harassed for his faith or race recently, and
within the context of a post-9/11 anti-Muslim environment here, became
increasingly upset until he exploded into violence.
What also concerns me are varying reports of what he shouted in Arabic
language, as if an irrational man's words held evidence he was really a
terrorist, whether a self-made one, or connected to a group. And so much
attention about the traditional garb he worse is present in the media. Well,
again, he does have the right to show his devotion and pride in his faith,
but again, we're pretty certain at this point, this man was deeply troubled.
What irrational people do or say is not reliable indicators of what some
want to glean from this incident to satisfy their suspicions, fears, support
their hate, or ideology.
And further, to have a prominent leader, Sen. Lieberman, pass along his
suggestion Hasan was a 'home made terrorist' before a full investigation has
been done, and call for a congressional investigation which seems unneeded
when the FBI, police, DOJ, and military investigators are all working on
this case.
Perhaps, Joe Blo wants to make this into a witch hunt, eh?
Of course, the mainstream and partisan minor media are working on an angle
to make this into a terrorist strike, and I'm not saying it isn't. What I'm
saying is that the desire of many Americans, for self-serving purposes, to
draw premature conclusions or advance their suspicions, is more indicative
of a self-centered, immature, and overtly and self-destructive culture that
has little interest in fairness, due process, and not making the presumed
innocent appear guilty until all the evidence is weighed and the jury
decides.
But that is what I've seen all my fucking life in this fucking nation, Marv.
Unfairness, biasedness, self-interest, hatred, a lack of respect for the
individual's full rights, even from those who make it a point to say they
believe in this nation's creed so fervently they'd kill or die for it. Or
from those who say they do not hate, but are loving Christians living in a
God-blessed nation.
And every fucking time, when we have these difficult emotionally charged
situations, of which we've had many in my lifetime, I see this chorus of
sick little minds come out of the slimy cracks in disturbingly large
numbers.
If Hasan attempted to contact Bin Laden's people, it could merely be that he
wanted to connect to an ideological comradery, not that he was a part of it,
or that he'd be accepted, if he were. He was, after all, living in a land of
intensified anti-Islamic sentiment, right along with many non-Arabic people
not liking what the USA did in Iraq, and not happy with Afghanistan, by a
majority. He may have felt quite isolated in his ideology.
To have this little biased rightwing insect, StevenBob, pass along some
speculative shit like this is what I fully expected from him. And now he can
tell us that his news item isn't necessarily reflecting his viewpoint, but
that he's just following the developing situation. If it develops, though,
that this was simply a severely deranged man who happened to be Muslim and
killed some people (as most mass killings are done by white men), the lil'
insect will drop this like last week's smelly fish, and slither off to
sliming some other American or group he fears or detests.
Doc
Woodswun
And yet, officers give women a hard time about being women all the
time, and THAT's not part of the "code of conduct" is it? Or are you
saying that it is?
>
> But what is far more likely possible is that he was argued with about
> his views on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- views he reportedly
> expressed to other officers. Maybe he didn't like their arguments, and
> took their point of view as giving him a hard time about his religion.
IOW - it's okay for you to engage in speculation, but nobody else,
right?
>
>
>
> > and tried several times to leave the army.
>
> No, he was reportedly in the process of trying to get out of the Army.
> That speculation comes from his own extended family members, who say
> he had contacted a lawyer to help him get out of the Army.
>
How is it "speculation" if it's been confirmed by his family??
>
>
> > People snap.
>
> > It happens.
>
> > Sometimes it's preventable.
>
> It seems there were a lot of warning signs about this guy, but
> political correctness may have stopped people from taking proper
> action.
>
Hmm, there's a word for what you just did. What waaas it,
again?? .... ah, yes - "speculation"!
Woods
Woodswun
>
>
>
> > Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
>
> > > None of this was confirmed by intelligence agencies.
>
> > Intelligence? Who needs intelligence unless you're trying to hide
> > something?
>
> > I say we find out what the good Dr's country of origin or ancestry is
>
> He was born in Virginia, but thought of himself as a Palestinian.
Er ... not exactly...
"On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a programme at
the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Virginia, but
his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said."
Wouldn't that be akin to a Chinese-American looking for a spouse
filling their "nationality" as Chinese? Or an Irish-American listing
their "nationality" as "Irish"?
Woods
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225712/Fort-Hood-s...
Doc
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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There is every reason to believe it. Are you denying that this nation hasn't
been going through an overreationary post-9/11 anti-Islamic, anti-Arabic
period?
Everyone knows rightwingers have misplaced their hatred of a fringe group by
whacking at the larger whole of Islam, junior. It's been all over the
rightwing and christian websites, the TV, everywhere. It's trying to get a
renewal, another foothold again with "speculation" about this incident.
And that's all that is
-- speculation. He was an Army Major. Officers live by a code of
conduct, and one of them is that they don't give other officers a bad
time about their religion. To do so would mean the end of their
career.
Well, why dont' you take the advice you gave me, and wait until the
investigation is over and then comment, or pass along such news items, or
other's opinions? LOL! No, we all fucking know what you're up to here, as
usual, junior. As I warned early, you'd make this into a politicized issue
for your nationalisitc ideology, your fearmongering, your religious
bigotry, your sickening paranoid personality. And you're off and running
with it. Any speculation that in the slightest taints your Ivory Tower view
of the military gets the biased reaction you just gave. Oh no, those saintly
folks on the military bases couldn't be some ignorant, stupid, racist, and
bigoted people harassing an object of fear and hatred. Oh no, not on a US
military base. It's like a Catholic seminary, eh?
Well, even with religous devotees, all manner of human sickness is present,
lurking under a social veneer.
But what is far more likely possible is that he was argued with about
his views on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- views he reportedly
expressed to other officers. Maybe he didn't like their arguments, and
took their point of view as giving him a hard time about his religion.
>
> and tried several times to leave the army.
No, he was reportedly in the process of trying to get out of the Army.
That speculation comes from his own extended family members, who say
he had contacted a lawyer to help him get out of the Army.
>
> People snap.
>
> It happens.
>
> Sometimes it's preventable.
It seems there were a lot of warning signs about this guy, but
political correctness may have stopped people from taking proper
action.
>
> Cheers.
Nothing to cheer about with this story.
Nothing to cheer about your assinine biased attitude, either. As usual.
Doc
Bob
Keep that finger in the dike, Woods. For as long as you can, anyway.
Bob
What does this have to do with a United States Army Major who listed
his *nationality* somewhere as Palestinian?
Bob
I'll say that if a male officer is found to be giving women a hard
time because they're women, the male officer's career will be over.
>
> > But what is far more likely possible is that he was argued with about
> > his views on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- views he reportedly
> > expressed to other officers. Maybe he didn't like their arguments, and
> > took their point of view as giving him a hard time about his religion.
>
> IOW - it's okay for you to engage in speculation, but nobody else,
> right?
No, I'm trying to come up with a rational explanation for the why his
relatives said he told them he was given a hard time about his
religion. I made it clear in that paragraph that I was speculating.
Others have offered speculation without making it clear it was
speculation.
>
> > > and tried several times to leave the army.
>
> > No, he was reportedly in the process of trying to get out of the Army.
> > That speculation comes from his own extended family members, who say
> > he had contacted a lawyer to help him get out of the Army.
>
> How is it "speculation" if it's been confirmed by his family??
Confirmed by his family? You take family members in situations like
this as confirmation of anything? All they know is what he told them.
There is nothing confirmed whatsoever. Sheesh, you're incredible! I
mean, really!
>
> > > People snap.
>
> > > It happens.
>
> > > Sometimes it's preventable.
>
> > It seems there were a lot of warning signs about this guy, but
> > political correctness may have stopped people from taking proper
> > action.
>
> Hmm, there's a word for what you just did. What waaas it,
> again?? .... ah, yes - "speculation"!
That's right, I said it "seems" there were warning signs, and that
political correctness "may" have stopped people from taking proper
action. What is your problem, Woods?
Bob
No, his nationality is American. His heritage is Palestinian.
Marvin The Paranoid Android
> "Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:c1b4db54-54fa-44fe...@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
Bottom Line -- Christians only murder evil-doers.
Cheers Doc!
Dani
"Woodswun" <wood...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, that's my take on it as well. I agree with your assessment, Woods.
If I was asked my country of origin...I would answer United States. If I
was asked my nationality, I would answer Irish-American. Just as an
African-American would likely answer as such and so forth...
Some people are "picky" and/or prideful about their roots, and won't just
answer "American" when asked...but answer "Irish-American" or
"Asian-American" etc..
Cheers,
Dani
Bob
>
> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>
> On Nov 9, 1:21 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
> <marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>He was also given a hard time about his religion
>
> >There is no reason to believe that speculation.
>
> There is every reason to believe it. Are you denying that this nation hasn't
> been going through an overreationary post-9/11 anti-Islamic, anti-Arabic
> period?
As I've said a number of times, I live in an area that has people of
every ethnicity under the sun, and we all get along great. Muslims
feel free to dress as they please, and no one bothers them. It's
really not as bad out here as you think it is, Doc. Try living in the
real world rather than the fantasyland you've created for yourself.
As for the Army, it would be the end of an officer's career if he made
fun of another officer's religion. I don't expect you to know the
first thing about the military, but I do expect you to not lie about
it.
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, but you KNOW how a black man or woman would answer that question as:
"African-American" ..and you know how I would answer the question!
Maybe not technically correct, but that's how a large majority of us answer.
Dani
Bob
>
> "Bob" <steven0.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
Your nationality is American, Dani. Your heritage is Irish.
Dani
"Woodswun" <wood...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hehe.. Bob calls speculation "lying" !!!
..lol
Cheers,
Dani
Bob
>
> Hehe.. Bob calls speculation "lying" !!!
If it's speculation about me, and I deny its validity, but you persist
anyway, yes, I'm going to call you a liar.
Doc
Do we REALLY NEED to recount the copious evidence of anti-Muslim
discrimination, harassment, violence in the post-911 period, for ya,
asshole? Huh? Do you want to go down that fuckng road, junior? And
please don't say that such attitudes have evaporated since then. I
even had an Egyptian doctor who took his family back to Saudi Arabia
because of racist initimidation before 9-11, around 1998-2000. I've
talked to other Arabs who relate to racism against blacks, hispanics,
asians, and Native Americans, who, are, BTW, still experiencing much
racism. You're the one who's on Fantasy Island, asshole.
Doc
Hamilton College Muslim America Poll: Accounts of Anti-Muslim
Discrimination
Not Exaggerated
5/30/2002
From: Sharon Rippey, 315-725-4301 Dennis Gilbert, 202-244-5654 both of
Hamilton College
ADVANCE: Embargoed for release until Thursday, May 30 at 9:30 a.m.
/ADVANCE/ WASHINGTON, May 30, -- Nearly 75 percent of Muslim Americans
either know someone who has or have themselves experienced an act of
anti-Muslim discrimination, harassment, verbal abuse or physical
attack since September 11, according to a national survey released May
30 at the National Press Club. The Muslim America Poll by Hamilton
College and Zogby International, shows that almost two out of three
Muslims believe that the FBI questioning and arrests of Muslims in the
U.S. after Sept. 11 are unwarranted abuses of civil liberties. The
poll of 517 Muslims living in America was developed by Hamilton
College and administered by Zogby International.
Poll respondents report being told "you are demons," "Pig religion,"
"you guys did it" and actions of "he spit in my face," "he pulled off
my daughter's hijab" -- the list of taunts and abuses goes on. "It is
clear from this poll that reports in recent months of anti-Muslim
discrimination, harassment or attacks have not been exaggerated," said
Hamilton Professor of Sociology Dennis Gilbert whose class designed
the poll.
Eighty-five percent of Muslims surveyed say that the U.S. has always
supported the Israelis in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and 60
percent don't believe the Bush administration is seeking a "fair
peace" between the two sides. Gilbert said, "American Muslims do not
trust the Bush administration to deal equitably between Israelis and
Palestinians in the current conflict." Almost half of U.S. Muslims
agree that the United States
should try to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Hamilton
senior Paul Jones, one of the student researchers who developed the
survey, said, "When speaking to Muslims on the phone, it was amazing
to see how passionate and educated they were on the affairs in the
Middle East."
Among other findings in the report is that nearly half of the Muslim
Americans believe that the military actions in Afghanistan after 9/11
were not morally justified.
The Muslim American Poll was designed and analyzed by Gilbert and a
group of Hamilton students. Zogby International, an independent public
opinion research firm, administered the sampling and calling to a
national sample of 517 Muslims Americans in calls made between April
14 and the 28. The expected margin of sampling error is plus or minus
5 percent. Funding for the study was provided by the Arthur Levitt
Public Affairs Center at Hamilton College.
--- Hamilton College Muslim America Poll Executive Summary
American Muslims do not trust the Bush administration to deal
equitably between Israelis and Palestinians in the current conflict,
according to a new national poll conducted by researchers at Hamilton
College. The Hamilton Muslim America Poll examines Muslim attitudes
toward the U.S. war on terrorism and related international issues. It
also documents anti-Muslim discrimination and harassment in the United
States since September 11 and the support that U.S. Muslims have
received from other Americans. The survey of over 500 Muslims, most of
them U.S. citizens, was designed and analyzed by Hamilton Sociology
Professor Dennis Gilbert and his students. The Muslim America Poll was
funded by Hamilton's Arthur Levitt Public Affairs Center and
administered by the polling firm Zogby International. It had a margin
of sampling error of plus or minus 5 percent.
The poll's main findings include the following:
-- Only one third of U.S. Muslims are convinced that Osama Bin Laden's
Al Qaeda network was responsible for the September 11 attacks in New
York and Washington. Nonetheless, a majority say U.S. military action
in Afghanistan is justified.
-- Eighty-five percent say that the U.S. has always supported the
Israelis against the Palestinians. Sixty percent don't believe the
Bush administration is seeking a "fair peace" between the two sides.
-- Almost half of U.S. Muslims agree that the United States should try
to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.
-- Over half report they personally know individuals who have been
victims of anti-Muslim discrimination, harassment, or physical attack
since 9-11. One in four say that they have themselves been victims of
anti-Muslim discrimination, harassment or attack in recent months.
-- Almost half say that non-Muslim community
leaders in their areas have spoken out against anti-Muslim abuses
since 9-11. Seventy percent say that non-Muslims have personally
expressed support during this period.
-- Sixty percent regard the widespread questioning and numerous
arrests of Muslims in the United States by federal agents as an
unwarranted abuse of civil liberties.
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/archives/K/5/pub5767.html
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I know that, Bob (lol! sorry, can't help it!!!)
I said that it's not "technically correct" ..remember? But it's still how a
LOT of Americans answer that question.
Dani
Doc
Liars calling others liars.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
Bob
What have I lied about, Doc? Explain it to me, so I can correct it.
Bob
> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
But an United States Army officer, who was born in this country,
should not refer to his nationality as anything other than American.
Woodswun
Why not? It was a form he filled out at his place of worship for
being matched up with a wife, not an Army document about his patriotic
allegiances.
Woods
Bob
When one joins the military, one swears an oath to the United States
of America. Your life is no longer your own. They own you 24-hours-a-
day. When they give you off time, it's a privilege, not a right.
Everything you do reflects on the military. If one breaks the law, one
does one's time in civilian jail or prison. Then, when released, you
do more time in military jail or prison. So, no matter the situation,
an American-born military officer should list his nationality as
American.
Bob
>
> Well, Marv, what really concerns me are the assertions of military spokesmen
> that the 13 dead had given their lives 'for their country.'
> Now, unless I missed something, that description would be reserved for those
> in combat action against a known enemy.
You have absolutely no concept of anything military, so why don't you
just shut up about it? You have no idea what you're talking about.
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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It was *understood* that he was an American, though. That had already been
established, as he was looking for a mate within the United States, correct?
Or was it a world-wide dating service? He obviously wanted a wife who was
ALSO of Palestinian (or Muslim) heritage...which I'm assuming is the reason
he wrote "Palestinian" because he was looking for a woman who was of the
SAME descent!
That makes perfect sense to me, Bob. Really, if a black man went to a
dating service, and wanted to marry a black woman...wouldn't it make sense
that he list himself as: "African-American"??
Dani
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope. And if you want, I'll pull a you and go back and get my exact words.
I clearly said (a few times!) that that was "my take" on the situation, and
I also clearly wrote that I "am not 110% sure" ..
It was my take, my opinion. And I stated that.
Dani
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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This guy was looking for a girlfriend, Bob! It had nothing to do with the
Military! It had to do with his taste in women, and his desire to be with a
woman who shared his same Heritage (I'm assuming).
Dani
Doc
I know human behavior doesn't change simply because of a uniform and code to
follow. Even the threat of punishment doesn't deter everyone, junior.
Hatred of others transcends all laws. If there's an opportunity to sneakily
get after someone, with minimal risk to the perpetrator, they're always a
few who will engage in such behavior.
Now, we have plenty of examples of racism, sexism, violation of basic rights
on US military bases. Do you want to deny it? Shall we go over the list?
To say as you did that a soldier wouldn't harass another is pure horseshit,
whether an officer or not.
When are you going to grow the fuck up?
Bob
>
> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> >> Hehe.. Bob calls speculation "lying" !!!
>
> > If it's speculation about me, and I deny its validity, but you persist
> > anyway, yes, I'm going to call you a liar.
>
> Nope. And if you want, I'll pull a you and go back and get my exact words.
> I clearly said (a few times!) that that was "my take" on the situation, and
> I also clearly wrote that I "am not 110% sure" ..
>
> It was my take, my opinion. And I stated that.
Yes you did, despite the fact I told you differently. Only one of us
knows the truth, and that's me. I know your "opinion" is a lie. You
don't know that, and you refused to believe me. So be it. It was fun
while it lasted, Dani. But that's it for me. I'm through with you.
Doc
Ok, insect, what did these people do that is any different from civilians in
a shopping center, a corporate office, or a McDonald's restaurant?
Were they, too, heroes defending their nation, dying for it, when they took
any action against the attackers, which some did, as they did in this case?
You don't have military personnel involved in a war here, or a battle, until
you first fucking know that the assailant is part of a terrorist group, or
that he is a 'home made' terrorist in sympathy with them. That he is
something other than a lone sick man. In the latter, the threat to the
nation overall is extremely minimal, limited to the one incident and
contained within the base. "Protecting the nation" is everyone else outside
the base. Did he threaten anyone outside the base? Well, goddamnit, did he?
Do we know they died for their nation? No we do not. The description is
invalid and premature.
Do we even know that he is a 'terrorist' connected to any group? No, we do
not. So, why do military spokespeople characterize this as soldiers
defending the nation, when they were, as far as anyone fucking knows right
now, defending their own asses...as civilians have done in civilian mass
killer cases.
Those who go over to some fucking nation and kill and die 'for their
country' would apply only if that nation represented a direct security
threat to the USA.
Iraq did not. Nor did Viet Nam. Nor did Korea.
Tossing loosely around such patriotic euphemisms certainly makes the stupid
out there feel a rush, and the devoted insects like you feel great, but it
is a perversion of reality, junior.
Americans die in foreign lands to defend sovereign people, commercial
profits, advance self-serving leaders here, and fuel the defense industry,
and those who died at Ft.Hood, as far as we know, didn't die to defend any
of us.
They died to defend themselves or each other.
Survival much more than altruism, junior.
That's all we actually know at this point. The rest is fantasy.
Such ludricrous overstretched rationalizations have the underlying purpose
to arrogantly magnify a group's importance, its societal stature. Nothing
more.
It is arrogant stupid fascists that make such silly comments.
I'll wait until all the investigative conclusions come in, junior, and then
I can confidently define what has happened in Ft. Hood. You are certainly
free to run wild and make all kinds of claims, defend something when you
don't know what has occurred, and give your usual patriotic biased
propaganda.
When we create and engender a racist and religously bigoted environment, as
this nation has since 9-11, against Islam, against Arabs, we cannot totally
absolve ourselves from the irresponsibility, the immaturity, the ignorance
inherent in such foolishness.
To proclaim some kids on a base are dying for their nation, is to fucking
ignore that our leaders, media, and blind followers have helped create the
conditions that lead to such overreactive dangerous behavior.
Instead of blowing our horn for the heroes we think are there, we should
humble ourselves and face the bad social conditions we create that lead to
such trajedies.
Doc
Bob
>
> I know human behavior doesn't change simply because of a uniform and code to
> follow. Even the threat of punishment doesn't deter everyone, junior.
> Hatred of others transcends all laws. If there's an opportunity to sneakily
> get after someone, with minimal risk to the perpetrator, they're always a
> few who will engage in such behavior.
> Now, we have plenty of examples of racism, sexism, violation of basic rights
> on US military bases. Do you want to deny it? Shall we go over the list?
Isolated cases, and what happened to those military members when their
violations were found out?
Doc
On Nov 9, 3:14 pm, Woodswun <woods...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 3:47 pm, Bob <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Headline "Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda"
>
> > "Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect
> > with Terrorists"
>
> > By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
> > Nov. 9, 2009
>
> > U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal
> > Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with
> > al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the
> > case told ABC News.
>
> > It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army
> > that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al
> > Qaeda figures, the officials said. [end excerpt]
>
> >http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terr...
>
> associated with al Qaeda? If you tried to contact someone about an
> item for sale on Craigslist, and that person was "associated with al
> qaeda" ... would *you* know? No, but the intelligence agencies would!
Keep that finger in the dike, Woods. For as long as you can, anyway.
Keep your head up your ass as long as the next shitload hovers above.
Bob
>
> Ok, insect, what did these people do that is any different from civilians in
> a shopping center, a corporate office, or a McDonald's restaurant?
> Were they, too, heroes defending their nation, dying for it, when they took
They died serving their country. Anyone in the military is serving his/
her country, no matter where he/she is. Your premise is contemptible,
Doc. Absolutely contemptible. I know you think you're a wonderful
person, but you're contemptible.
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:ab657696-2645-473a...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Oh bawwb! Listen, why is it so impossible for you to even consider that
maybe YOU have done some wrong here that made me take a shot at you?
You think you're perfect, don't you?
I will tell you again... I did not like the way you were treating Jane. And
NO don't say: "Oh, so you thought she couldn't handle me on her own??"
Because I've already told you that that is NOT the reason I intervened.
Did you ever stop to consider the fact that you were saying some rude things
about WOMEN and ahhh... what do you think MY gender is??? ..lol!
You're quite book-smart, there, Bawwb, but you seem to be lacking a bit in
common sense!
How many times did you reference a broom-stick?
How many times did you mention menopause?
How many times did you say she went "crying & whining" and "ran off" from
this group?
And I also wasn't too fond of your repeated intimidation when you kept
saying: "Person whose name doesn't start with an S" etc.. etc..
And again... I said that it was "my take" that you were trying to be
intimidating by using the "name doesn't start with an S" thing, and that I
wasn't 110% sure?
You need to CHECK YOURSELF and consider that maybe YOU have done some wrong
here, too!
Dani
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
What does that mean? The "finger in the dike"??
I'm serious! What the hell does that mean???
Dani
>
Werewolfy
> What does that mean? �The "finger in the dike"??
>
> I'm serious! �What the hell does that mean???
It's from a Fable, Dani. A town was under threat in Holland, threat
from a dam that had cracked and was pouring water through a small hole
which would have become larger. However, a small boy noticed the
danger, and placed his finger into the defective barrier, thus halting
the flow of water until assistance arrived. He was hailed for the
action, action which saved the town and it's inhabitants.
Used as a cliche (above) it refers to someone using a 'stop-gap'
method of halting temporarily an ensuing and inevitable event.
Ricky
Doc
Still doesn't prevent the damage being done before the reprimand or
discharge, does it?
Doc
The issue is not whether they're serving their country, stupid, but that
officials are claiming they're 'dying for their country.'
One cannot die for another unless an enemy threatens another.
Just being an army member and getting killed by a psychotic man isn't
'defending' the nation, and therefore one cannot 'die for the nation.'
Defending oneself is the goal in such situations. The danger is not proved
to be on the outside, but claims like this are made anyway. Prematurely.
Simple, isn't it?
Anything else is propaganda, nationalistic hysteria.
Do we know this is an enemy or part of an enemy that threatens others?
We do not know that now, and we did not know that the past several days.
And so why did/do we hear these proclamations from officials?
Patriotic euphemisms are part of an agenda, junior.
It is to evoke the maxiumum sympathy for and allegiance to authority.
Authority expects that idiots like you will not rationally evaluate the
illogic of their claims, and that you will go willy-nilly into
bugle-blowing, flag waving and...
bashing a target group.
And eagerly seek out evidence to back their claim. As you are avidly doing
right now, as I expected. Reaffirmation of the worth of nationalistic
servitude is always a joyful, albeit ultimately a self-serving enterprise.
Final result?
More violence, oppression, privacy invasion, persecution, innocent Muslims
hurt or killed, racism, religious bigotry, media exploitation/profit,
idealogue/medialogue ego advancement and...if it gets thick enough out
there, more support for Mideast warfare (and defense profiteering).
My, my, but you are dense.
Doc
Jane
Steven-Bob always has to say everything 100 times, in thread after
thread. I wonder if he repeats himself as often in real? Damn
annoying, not to mention boring!
Thanks to you and Woods for your support. I know that you know that I
am capable of taking on Steven-Bob, but we are likely to hear at least
50 more times that you guys thought I was some kind of delicate
flower. Oh, well.
Sometimes women DO need to stick together, though, :).
Werewolfy
> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> They died serving their country. Anyone in the military is serving his/
> her country, no matter where he/she is. Your premise is contemptible,
> Doc. Absolutely contemptible. I know you think you're a wonderful
> person, but you're contemptible.
>
> The issue is not whether they're serving their country, stupid, but that
> officials are claiming they're 'dying for their country.'
Exactly Doc. The moment I first read the, 'Giving their lives for the
Country', I exploded into laughter at the crass Nationalism propaganda
people are trying to grasp from this murder.
You 'Give your life etc...' for an action, not for an inaction, well,
certainly not for wandering around a training camp on US soil and
being murdered by your commanding Major...;)
You cannot 'give etc' unless you are actually 'giving' something.
Being a soldier isn't enough..that's an occupation.
You debase many brave men, Steven by persisting with this. You debase
true bravery, true courage, and all of those many men who DID
sacrifice their lives for another, or their Nation, in combat.
Werewolfy
Bob
>
> Steven-Bob always has to say everything 100 times, in thread after
> thread.
I don't initiate it, I respond to someone who needs to have it
explained all over again. I've found that saying something once around
here means nothing. If I don't repeat it several times, I'll get
someone else a week later repeating the same false claim that I've
already knocked down.
>
> I wonder if he repeats himself as often in real? Damn
> annoying, not to mention boring!
If I'm so boring, why are you following me around? So you can continue
to throw out your childish taunts?
>
> Thanks to you and Woods for your support.
You mean their lies.
>
> I know that you know that I
> am capable of taking on Steven-Bob, but we are likely to hear at least
> 50 more times that you guys thought I was some kind of delicate
> flower. Oh, well.
Only because they deny their own words. Woods said I toyed with you,
that I pushed you, that I tormented you, and that I wouldn't stop when
you cried uncle. Poor little delicate flower!
>
> Sometimes women DO need to stick together, though, :).
Yes, especially when you have to back up each others' lies.
Bob
>
> On 10 Nov, 18:20, "Doc" <cmdrl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> > They died serving their country. Anyone in the military is serving his/
> > her country, no matter where he/she is. Your premise is contemptible,
> > Doc. Absolutely contemptible. I know you think you're a wonderful
> > person, but you're contemptible.
>
> > The issue is not whether they're serving their country, stupid, but that
> > officials are claiming they're 'dying for their country.'
>
> Exactly Doc. The moment I first read the, 'Giving their lives for the
> Country', I exploded into laughter at the crass Nationalism propaganda
> people are trying to grasp from this murder.
Actually, the official statement was that the gave their lives in
service to their country. Notice above that I also said they died in
service to their country.
>
> You 'Give your life etc...' for an action, not for an inaction, well,
> certainly not for wandering around a training camp on US soil and
> being murdered by your commanding Major...;)
Here's what President Obama said today at the memorial:
"Here, at Fort Hood, we pay tribute to 13 men and women who were not
able to escape the horror of war, even in the comfort of home."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-obama-fort-hood-text,0,5475557.story
>
> You cannot 'give etc' unless you are actually 'giving' something.
> Being a soldier isn't enough..that's an occupation.
I disagree. If a police officer is murdered by a criminal at the
police station, is that police officer no less a police officer than
if he'd been killed on the street? Some of those soldiers who were
killed had just come home from the battlefield. Others were getting
ready to go over there. They were killed by a terrorist who targeted
them *because* they were American soldiers, and their deaths are no
less in "service to their country" than any other.
>
> You debase many brave men, Steven by persisting with this. You debase
> true bravery, true courage, and all of those many men who DID
> sacrifice their lives for another, or their Nation, in combat.
I understand you point, and I disagree with it. With every fiber of my
being.
Werewolfy
> I disagree. If a police officer is murdered by a criminal at the
> police station, is that police officer no less a police officer than
> if he'd been killed on the street?
Both are Police Officers, and both are dead. The difference is in the
word, 'give'. The Officer in the Office did not 'give' his life for
his Country. He was murdered.
An Officer who dies protecting the public during some disorder or
another, does 'give' his life in the service of the public and the
Country.
Werewolfy
Bob
Again, I understand your point, but I disagree. To me, any police
officer who dies in the line of duty is a hero, no matter the
circumstances. Just the fact he became a police officer, and died
because he's a police officer, makes him a hero in my book. Same with
the soldiers at Fort Hood, who died because they were soldiers. They
died in an act of war against them, no matter what the politically
correct crowd has to say about it.
Doc
On Nov 10, 1:18 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 10 Nov, 18:20, "Doc" <cmdrl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> > They died serving their country. Anyone in the military is serving his/
> > her country, no matter where he/she is. Your premise is contemptible,
> > Doc. Absolutely contemptible. I know you think you're a wonderful
> > person, but you're contemptible.
>
> > The issue is not whether they're serving their country, stupid, but that
> > officials are claiming they're 'dying for their country.'
>
> Exactly Doc. The moment I first read the, 'Giving their lives for the
> Country', I exploded into laughter at the crass Nationalism propaganda
> people are trying to grasp from this murder.
Actually, the official statement was that the gave their lives in
service to their country. Notice above that I also said they died in
service to their country.
Which official statement is that? There were a flurry of 'statements',
Baaawb, on video and in print for several days, and military CO's,
spokesmen, were simply stating "they gave their lives for this nation." Now,
if you wish to banter this around, ridiculously, I will inform you that your
preferred version means exactly the same thing, anyway. You're a mainstream
mindless conformist, Baaawb. You don't step back, as Wolfy and I, and many
do, and carefully examine the content (and ultimate purpose) of such
mis-statements. Certainly, they provide great nationalistic/media theater
for the gullible, the simple minded. If we're to progress as a 'free people'
we need to independently, carefully analyze the content and agenda of
leaders, the medias' comments and actions. If we don't, fascism threatens to
take hold. And in America, I can see it has taken root over the decades.
People are more adept at picking apart the sordid sensationalistic story of
a statutory rape by a famous personage than they are such mechanizations of
authority and exploiters as this. If you were to simply wait and see what
all the facts are, the analyses, the conclusions, you could spare us here.
Instead, you're stirring the pot to make a tasty stew for your biased views.
>
> You 'Give your life etc...' for an action, not for an inaction, well,
> certainly not for wandering around a training camp on US soil and
> being murdered by your commanding Major...;)
Here's what President Obama said today at the memorial:
"Here, at Fort Hood, we pay tribute to 13 men and women who were not
able to escape the horror of war, even in the comfort of home."
Sheesh, Baaaaawb, what did you think he's say? LOLOL! Of course, he will go
right along with the popularism, especially among the conservative base, of
promoting the status quo. He'd be committing political suicide if he said
anything less promotional. Earlier he was lambasted he didn't strongly
support the confusing Iranian protest movement, by criticizing the
government in harder terms. And what did he do? LOL! Huh? He acquiesced to
the furor mostly from conservatives, and made stronger anti-government
comments. Conservatives' growing ire was lessened and placated. He's
thinking...re-election, poll numbers, junior. As they ALL do. My, my, but
you are thick. And do ya know why he really flew to Dover AFB in the wee
hours to salute the dead soldiers' bodies, junior? Huh? Do you really think
he wasn't doing that to satisfy his wavering conservative support? I voted
for Obama ostensibly for these reasons, junior: I wanted to deny the horrid
Palin-McCain team ultimate power, I wanted the wars in the Mideast to end,
and I wanted universal healthcare. Well, one outta three so far...but it's
early. LOL!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-obama-fort-hood-text,0,5475557.story
>
> You cannot 'give etc' unless you are actually 'giving' something.
> Being a soldier isn't enough..that's an occupation.
I disagree. If a police officer is murdered by a criminal at the
police station, is that police officer no less a police officer than
if he'd been killed on the street? Some of those soldiers who were
killed had just come home from the battlefield. Others were getting
ready to go over there. They were killed by a terrorist who targeted
them *because* they were American soldiers, and their deaths are no
less in "service to their country" than any other.
>
> You debase many brave men, Steven by persisting with this. You debase
> true bravery, true courage, and all of those many men who DID
> sacrifice their lives for another, or their Nation, in combat.
I understand you point, and I disagree with it. With every fiber of my
being.
Which being? Baaawb's or Steven's? LOL!!!!
Bob
>
> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>
> On Nov 10, 1:18 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 10 Nov, 18:20, "Doc" <cmdrl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> > > They died serving their country. Anyone in the military is serving his/
> > > her country, no matter where he/she is. Your premise is contemptible,
> > > Doc. Absolutely contemptible. I know you think you're a wonderful
> > > person, but you're contemptible.
>
> > > The issue is not whether they're serving their country, stupid, but that
> > > officials are claiming they're 'dying for their country.'
>
> > Exactly Doc. The moment I first read the, 'Giving their lives for the
> > Country', I exploded into laughter at the crass Nationalism propaganda
> > people are trying to grasp from this murder.
>
> Actually, the official statement was that the gave their lives in
> service to their country. Notice above that I also said they died in
> service to their country.
>
> Which official statement is that? There were a flurry of 'statements',
> Baaawb, on video and in print for several days, and military CO's,
General Casey's statement is the official statement. And now we have
President Obama's statement equating the terrorist's actions to an act
of war.
Doc
And what happens when the 'enemy' is simply another American, perhaps
mentally deranged? How many killings at US air bases have we had that've
been done by enlisted non-Muslims? Plenty more. Practically all. You give
away your extreme biasedness in another thread by claiming or suggesting
Muslims are receiving preferential or 'special' treatment in the military -
that COs look 'the other way' to avoid inter-racial tensions on bases.
Another interpretation is that you minimize the importance of understanding
the reality of racial and religious bigotry seething under the social
veneer, junior. It's not simply a matter of Hasan receiving preferential
treatment, ignoring his behavior, but that the commanders are making grave
errors, endangering their men. A nice way to wiggle out of recognizing
racism and religious bigotry is present on US military bases, as it is
everywhere else. And that such prejudice has risen sharply since 9-11. Tens
of thousands of Muslims have died in our bombardment, and it still
continues, as thousands of young Americans are being thrusted into two wars
no one can see a clear sane resolution of. Do you think Vietnamese or Asian
people here were treated nicely at the height of a favorable public attitude
toward the Nam war? There was racism before and it increased during the
height of that foolish conflict. It is that way now with Muslim-Americans.
And plenty of polls, one of which I've cited, will show anyone with a mature
mind that is the case today. You want us to believe racism and religous
bigotry stop at the gates of US bases. Ridiculous. You've been waving that
red, white, and blue flag so hard and long, junior, you've become a
brainwashed fascist, a conformist, if you ever anything else. When John
Kerry criticized the Nam chain of command 35 years ago, you became outraged
he was being so critical of the US military. And now you are laying blame
for this mess on the US command at Ft. Hood? LOL!!!!! Well...irony is the
mother of insanity.
So, just joining a protective governmental service is your definition of a
'hero'?
He wears a uniform, takes an oath, receives taxpayer's money for wages, and
follows orders.
And what of the millions more than join civilian social service aid
agencies?
Are they, too, "heroes", whether they've actually done anything?
You mean I was instanlty a "hero" for joining VISTA in 1972?
LOL!!!!!
Hardly.
Many join because they are attracted to the mechanics or nature of the job,
not its supposed altruistic image. They want money, prestige, privilege.
Sometimes, they can't decide what they want...until they begin to serve or
they exit.
People join such things for many different reasons other than to
altruistically serve humanity.
Doc
Doc
It means precisely the same thing. You quibble, as usual, over nothing. And
what are we to make of the many other statements?
Were they just in a hallucinatory state of mind, mentally aberrant, stupid?
LOL!
Political pandering. Status quo conservatives.
And previously you lambasted Obama because he wasn't 'strong' enough against
the Iranian government.
Now, is he quite 'strong' and right now? Welll, sure, if he lives up to your
fantasizing, your expectations, he's the best pal around. Previously, you
were accusing him of palling around with terrorists, of being a meanie
towards Nancy, and being disrespectful and uncouth in gift exchanging.
Is he a 'hero' to ya now?
You're a real piece of work, Baaawb.
Bob
>
> And what happens when the 'enemy' is simply another American, perhaps
> mentally deranged?
Then you have a mentally deranged killer on your hands. In this case,
there is plenty of evidence (with more coming by the hour) that Major
Hassan's actions were the actions of a terrorist. Some witnesses have
reported he shouted "Allahu Akbar" before he started killing other
soldiers. Others have reported some of his militant Islamic actions at
both Walter Reed Hospital and Fort Hood. But go ahead and ignore all
that, Doc, if it makes you happy. Keep your head in the sand. And
encourage our military to continue to keep their heads in the sand,
too, while you're at it.
Bob
President Obama, General Casey, and I have our opinion, and you have
yours.
Jane
> On Nov 10, 11:05 am, Jane <pushlin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Steven-Bob always has to say everything 100 times, in thread after
> > thread.
>
> I don't initiate it, I respond to someone who needs to have it
> explained all over again. I've found that saying something once around
> here means nothing. If I don't repeat it several times, I'll get
> someone else a week later repeating the same false claim that I've
> already knocked down.
>
>
> > I wonder if he repeats himself as often in real? Damn
> > annoying, not to mention boring!
>
> If I'm so boring, why are you following me around?
In case you are unable to read and comprehend, I was responding to
Dani's post, not one of yours.
So you can continue
> to throw out your childish taunts?
>
>
>
> > Thanks to you and Woods for your support.
>
> You mean their lies.
>
>
>
> > I know that you know that I
> > am capable of taking on Steven-Bob, but we are likely to hear at least
> > 50 more times that you guys thought I was some kind of delicate
> > flower. Oh, well.
>
> Only because they deny their own words. Woods said I toyed with you,
> that I pushed you, that I tormented you, and that I wouldn't stop when
> you cried uncle. Poor little delicate flower!
>
Steven-Bob want a cracker?
Werewolfy
> Again, I understand your point, but I disagree. To me, any police
> officer who dies in the line of duty is a hero, no matter the
> circumstances. Just the fact he became a police officer, and died
> because he's a police officer, makes him a hero in my book. Same with
> the soldiers at Fort Hood, who died because they were soldiers. They
> died in an act of war against them, no matter what the politically
> correct crowd has to say about it.
It has nothing to do with 'political correctness'. Those soldiers did
not 'give' their lives away. They had them taken away by a murderer.
Does a Bank clerk, shot in a Bank raid whilst handing over the money,
'give' his life to the Bank? It's nonsense and remains nonsense
despite your patriotic flag-waving.
You cannot 'give' your life when it is simply suddenly taken away from
you as you perform everyday functions. People who 'give' their lives
are very brave people, they are usually given medals of honour
posthumously. Don't tell me these soldiers will recieve posthumous
medals celebrating their 'sacrifice'.
To 'give', there must be willing sacrifice.
Werewolfy
Bob
>
> On Nov 10, 8:01 pm, Bob <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > Steven-Bob always has to say everything 100 times, in thread after
> > > thread.
>
> > I don't initiate it, I respond to someone who needs to have it
> > explained all over again. I've found that saying something once around
> > here means nothing. If I don't repeat it several times, I'll get
> > someone else a week later repeating the same false claim that I've
> > already knocked down.
>
> Sheesh! Get over yourself!
It's just a fact. It happens repeatedly, so I repeat whatever I have
to repeat. And I'll keep doing it, as long as it takes.
>
> > > I wonder if he repeats himself as often in real? Damn
> > > annoying, not to mention boring!
>
> > If I'm so boring, why are you following me around?
>
> In case you are unable to read and comprehend, I was responding to
> Dani's post, not one of yours.
And Dani was responding to me, but you've once again jumped in and
made me the subject of your taunts.
>
> >So you can continue
> > to throw out your childish taunts?
<crickets>
>
> > > Thanks to you and Woods for your support.
>
> > You mean their lies.
>
> > > I know that you know that I
> > > am capable of taking on Steven-Bob, but we are likely to hear at least
> > > 50 more times that you guys thought I was some kind of delicate
> > > flower. Oh, well.
>
> > Only because they deny their own words. Woods said I toyed with you,
> > that I pushed you, that I tormented you, and that I wouldn't stop when
> > you cried uncle. Poor little delicate flower!
>
> Steven-Bob want a cracker?
You know, when I told you not to call me Bobby, I knew you would --
immediately -- and of course you did. But it must not have given you
the same vindictive satisfaction using an alternate variation of my
real name does, did it? Of course it didn't, which is why you've come
up with a new alternate variation of my real name. Thank you for
proving my point about why I was frustrated having to call you "Jane"
after you had made that sick and twisted statement about me (for which
you later apologized).
Despite the lies of you and the other liars, I had no intention to
reveal your name. In case you missed it, I mentioned the fact I had
not revealed Randy's personal information when Ricky wanted it. And
despite the various disagreements I have with Ricky, he knows me well
enough to know I will not reveal anyone's personal information on this
group, even if they taunt me until the end of time. Obviously you know
this about me, or you wouldn't feel so comfortable taunting me the way
you continue to do.
And by the way, Poor Little Delicate Flower, when was it that you
cried uncle? I notice you've failed to address that point, and I'd
really like to know. Did you really cry uncle, or was Woods lying?
Never mind, Poor Little Delicate Flower, I won't make you say it. I
already know.
Jane
> On Nov 10, 7:05 pm, a Poor Little Delicate Flower wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 8:01 pm, Bob <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 10, 11:05 am, a Poor Little Delicate Flower wrote:
>
> > > > Steven-Bob always has to say everything 100 times, in thread after
> > > > thread.
>
> > > I don't initiate it, I respond to someone who needs to have it
> > > explained all over again. I've found that saying something once around
> > > here means nothing. If I don't repeat it several times, I'll get
> > > someone else a week later repeating the same false claim that I've
> > > already knocked down.
>
> > Sheesh! Get over yourself!
>
> It's just a fact. It happens repeatedly, so I repeat whatever I have
> to repeat. And I'll keep doing it, as long as it takes.
>
>
>
> > > > I wonder if he repeats himself as often in real? Damn
> > > > annoying, not to mention boring!
>
> > > If I'm so boring, why are you following me around?
>
> > In case you are unable to read and comprehend, I was responding to
> > Dani's post, not one of yours.
>
> And Dani was responding to me, but you've once again jumped in and
> made me the subject of your taunts.
>
>
> > >So you can continue
> > > to throw out your childish taunts?
>
> <crickets>
>
>
>
> > > > Thanks to you and Woods for your support.
>
> > > You mean their lies.
>
> > > > I know that you know that I
> > > > am capable of taking on Steven-Bob, but we are likely to hear at least
> > > > 50 more times that you guys thought I was some kind of delicate
> > > > flower. Oh, well.
>
> > > Only because they deny their own words. Woods said I toyed with you,
> > > that I pushed you, that I tormented you, and that I wouldn't stop when
> > > you cried uncle. Poor little delicate flower!
>
> > Steven-Bob want a cracker?
>
> You know, when I told you not to call me Bobby, I knew you would --
> immediately -- and of course you did. But it must not have given you
> the same vindictive satisfaction using an alternate variation of my
> real name does, did it? Of course it didn't, which is why you've come
> up with a new alternate variation of my real name. Thank you for
> proving my point about why I was frustrated having to call you "Jane"
> after you had made that sick and twisted statement about me (for which
> you later apologized).
It makes no such point. Your Steven name was already all over the
archives. My name is not. Amy once posted my initials in a spat and I
reacted the same way as I did when you obliquely threatened me.
>
> Despite the lies of you and the other liars, I had no intention to
> reveal your name. In case you missed it, I mentioned the fact I had
> not revealed Randy's personal information when Ricky wanted it. And
> despite the various disagreements I have with Ricky, he knows me well
> enough to know I will not reveal anyone's personal information on this
> group, even if they taunt me until the end of time. Obviously you know
> this about me, or you wouldn't feel so comfortable taunting me the way
> you continue to do.
>
> And by the way, Poor Little Delicate Flower
Lol. You see why I think you are just like a parrot?
Bob
>
> On Nov 10, 10:58 pm, Bob <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You know, when I told you not to call me Bobby, I knew you would --
> > immediately -- and of course you did. But it must not have given you
> > the same vindictive satisfaction using an alternate variation of my
> > real name does, did it? Of course it didn't, which is why you've come
> > up with a new alternate variation of my real name. Thank you for
> > proving my point about why I was frustrated having to call you "Jane"
> > after you had made that sick and twisted statement about me (for which
> > you later apologized).
>
> It makes no such point. Your Steven name was already all over the
> archives. My name is not. Amy once posted my initials in a spat and I
> reacted the same way as I did when you obliquely threatened me.
I posted one initial. It was not a threat. It was frustration at
having to call you "Jane" when I was trying to get through to you. And
now you used "Bobby" twice before you realized it left you with a
hollow feeling. It's just not the same having to refer to someone by a
pseudonym when you know their real name, is it? Of course it's not,
and you've proven it very nicely. Thank you for that. And before you
argue this further, if it really gave you the same vindictive
satisfaction, you'd still be calling me "Bobby" -- as you started to
(twice), but quickly abandoned.
>
> > Despite the lies of you and the other liars, I had no intention to
> > reveal your name. In case you missed it, I mentioned the fact I had
> > not revealed Randy's personal information when Ricky wanted it. And
> > despite the various disagreements I have with Ricky, he knows me well
> > enough to know I will not reveal anyone's personal information on this
> > group, even if they taunt me until the end of time. Obviously you know
> > this about me, or you wouldn't feel so comfortable taunting me the way
> > you continue to do.
>
> > And by the way, Poor Little Delicate Flower
>
> Lol. You see why I think you are just like a parrot?
Why? Because Woods said I toyed with you, that I pushed you, that I
tormented you, and that I wouldn't quit even after you cried uncle? Is
that what you mean, Poor Little Delicate Flower?
Doc
You didn't catch the interview with a private slightly wounded in his leg
and his zombie wife, did ya? He was right there, in the 2nd row, when the
assailant jumped up and began firing.
At first, he told the reporter he'd heard him yell out "Allahu Akbar", then
when the reporter said, "Some have reported he said that, but you're saying
you heard him say that?"
(pause, eyes flitter)
"Yes, sir, I believe so. There was a lot of noise, confusion, people moving
around really fast...I..."
"You're sure he said that, then?"
"I think he did..." (trails off)
At first, he's stating it like it happened as fact, then he's not quite
sure. LOL!
The mentally ill say a lot of weird things -- doesn't mean much, junior.
Killers have shouted satanic ritual words only to find out they had no
direct involvement in satanic groups other than to read books and watch
movies, and play with dead chicken parts in their apartment.
That is why, junior, we need to wait for a full scene and forensics
investigation, psychological analyses, interviews, etc. to complete, and not
be passing about media information, opinions, theories.
But, shit, that wouldn't be the course for fair-minded Americans would it??
Don't count yourself out.
Poooooolaaaaaaaanskiiiiiiii ....
LOL!
You fool.
Doc
Doc
"Werewolfy" <Werew...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Obama, with ratings slipping, may give them all posthumous Congressional
Medals of Honor for the highest sacrifice to save the nation from one Mr.
Hasan. I felt threatened 3 thousand miles away as soon as I heard Hasan had
fired on a roomful of soldiers.
I said aloud, "Thank God in heaven for those brave men and women for saving
my fucking ass."
Doc
>
Doc
The only 'opinion' that fucking counts are the final results of the many
investigations, AND the evidence in a fair court trial (if he can get one
after this shit), a jury and a judge.
Not the fucking media, self-serving politicians, reactionary rightwingers,
usenet junkies.
Bob
>
> You didn't catch the interview with a private slightly wounded in his leg
> and his zombie wife, did ya? He was right there, in the 2nd row, when the
> assailant jumped up and began firing.
What's the point in insulting the man's wife? It was the predawn hours
in Texas, she's very young, she's on national television, they're
obviously still reeling from the after effects of the killings, her
husband was shot, and you sit there in your comfy little apartment and
call her a zombie? Why are you such a creep?
>
> At first, he told the reporter he'd heard him yell out "Allahu Akbar", then
> when the reporter said, "Some have reported he said that, but you're saying
> you heard him say that?"
> (pause, eyes flitter)
> "Yes, sir, I believe so. There was a lot of noise, confusion, people moving
> around really fast...I..."
> "You're sure he said that, then?"
> "I think he did..." (trails off)
You've added some fiction to that exchange, liar. Why do you feel the
need to lie about this? The guy was shot in the hip right after the
shooter said whatever he said. It's obvious he said something, since
several other people heard it. I wonder what the dead people, who were
probably closer, heard? I guess we'll never know what they heard just
before they died, will we?
>
> At first, he's stating it like it happened as fact, then he's not quite
> sure.
Here's the link to the video. He heard the shooter say something, then
he was shot. He said he heard him say Allahu Akbar, then when the
reporter questioned him again, he said he believes so. He believes he
heard him say it. Others also heard it, Doc. Why are you so determined
to protect the shooter? Is your hatred for the military really that
strong? If you feel the need to call a soldier's wife a "zombie," your
hatred for everything military must be that strong.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/09/fort.hood.foster/index.html
Doc
On Nov 10, 10:01 pm, "Doc" <cmdrl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You didn't catch the interview with a private slightly wounded in his leg
> and his zombie wife, did ya? He was right there, in the 2nd row, when the
> assailant jumped up and began firing.
What's the point in insulting the man's wife? It was the predawn hours
in Texas, she's very young, she's on national television, they're
obviously still reeling from the after effects of the killings, her
husband was shot, and you sit there in your comfy little apartment and
call her a zombie? Why are you such a creep?
She looked like she'd been lobotomized. I'm only reporting my...opinion.
LOL!
>
> At first, he told the reporter he'd heard him yell out "Allahu Akbar",
> then
> when the reporter said, "Some have reported he said that, but you're
> saying
> you heard him say that?"
> (pause, eyes flitter)
> "Yes, sir, I believe so. There was a lot of noise, confusion, people
> moving
> around really fast...I..."
> "You're sure he said that, then?"
> "I think he did..." (trails off)
You've added some fiction to that exchange, liar. Why do you feel the
need to lie about this? The guy was shot in the hip right after the
shooter said whatever he said. It's obvious he said something, since
several other people heard it. I wonder what the dead people, who were
probably closer, heard? I guess we'll never know what they heard just
before they died, will we?
That's the way I REMEMBER it, but the gist of it is correct. He wasn't as
sure when he was questioned as he was when he gave his account. Now, if a
man is right there, he either heard the words or he didn't. There is no room
for 'believing' one did, other than he's not confident of his recollection.
If anything, I helped him out with his unconvincing testimony by excusing
his lack of confidence with 'a lot of noise, confusion...' which,
undoubtedly, there was, since I heard that from some other witness and got
the two lumped together in memory.
So, why is it that you cannot accept the discrepancies in eyewitness
accounts? Why are there discrepancies? Human fallibility, junior.
That is why, again, again, again, psycho, the only things that count is the
evidence, a fair court trial, and a jury to decide.
Fuck you.
>
> At first, he's stating it like it happened as fact, then he's not quite
> sure.
Here's the link to the video. He heard the shooter say something, then
he was shot. He said he heard him say Allahu Akbar, then when the
reporter questioned him again, he said he believes so. He believes he
heard him say it. Others also heard it, Doc. Why are you so determined
to protect the shooter? Is your hatred for the military really that
strong? If you feel the need to call a soldier's wife a "zombie," your
hatred for everything military must be that strong.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/09/fort.hood.foster/index.html
Others say they didn't hear it. Why are you so eager to believe the ones who
did? Your love for the military is a fucking psychosis, junior. That's why.
It filters out all news or evidence that doesn't fit your viewpoint. And
that is even more reason that your and the rest of stupid America
armchairing this case from the comfort of their middle-class homes means
fucking nothing, nothing but horseshit.
Doc
Jane
> On Nov 10, 8:15 pm, a Poor Little Delicate Flower wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 10:58 pm, Bob <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > You know, when I told you not to call me Bobby, I knew you would --
> > > immediately -- and of course you did. But it must not have given you
> > > the same vindictive satisfaction using an alternate variation of my
> > > real name does, did it? Of course it didn't, which is why you've come
> > > up with a new alternate variation of my real name. Thank you for
> > > proving my point about why I was frustrated having to call you "Jane"
> > > after you had made that sick and twisted statement about me (for which
> > > you later apologized).
>
> > It makes no such point. Your Steven name was already all over the
> > archives. My name is not. Amy once posted my initials in a spat and I
> > reacted the same way as I did when you obliquely threatened me.
>
> I posted one initial. It was not a threat. It was frustration at
> having to call you "Jane" when I was trying to get through to you. And
> now you used "Bobby" twice before you realized it left you with a
> hollow feeling. It's just not the same having to refer to someone by a
> pseudonym when you know their real name, is it? Of course it's not,
> and you've proven it very nicely. Thank you for that. And before you
> argue this further, if it really gave you the same vindictive
> satisfaction, you'd still be calling me "Bobby" -- as you started to
> (twice), but quickly abandoned.
Actually, that is not the reason, but believe whatever you like.
I liked Jim-Bob and was prepared to use that, but then Doc used steven-
Bob and it had a nice ring to it. I'll change it to Bobby-Steve.
>
>
> > > Despite the lies of you and the other liars, I had no intention to
> > > reveal your name. In case you missed it, I mentioned the fact I had
> > > not revealed Randy's personal information when Ricky wanted it. And
> > > despite the various disagreements I have with Ricky, he knows me well
> > > enough to know I will not reveal anyone's personal information on this
> > > group, even if they taunt me until the end of time. Obviously you know
> > > this about me, or you wouldn't feel so comfortable taunting me the way
> > > you continue to do.
>
> > > And by the way, Poor Little Delicate Flower
>
> > Lol. You see why I think you are just like a parrot?
>
> Why? Because Woods said I toyed with you, that I pushed you, that I
> tormented you, and that I wouldn't quit even after you cried uncle? Is
> that what you mean, Poor Little Delicate Flower?
Do you even know what a parrot is and what it is known for (besides
bright colours)?
Dani
"Doc" <cmdr...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hddmt7$7n0$1...@aioe.org...
I feel sick in my stomach for what happened to these poor people and their
families :( ..I'll state that right off so Bawwwb doesn't somehow assume
that I don't care (it should be obvious that I'm sick over this; I shouldn't
have to state it...but Baawwb has been acting weird lately).
Anyway, that said...I'm still not convinced that this man is not just
another random nut-job that pulled a psycho and went off. I'm not 110%
convinced that he was committing a terrorist act, related to Islamic
terrorism, or if he's just another extreme case like a Timothy McVeigh type.
Again.. if he was white and Catholic, would we even be considering that this
case is related to terrorism?
I'm so afraid of us becoming a paranoid Nation that sees a "Terrorist!!!!"
in every man or woman who is of Arab descent. That's one of my biggest
fears as an American.
If in fact it *does* turn out in the end that this man is a terrorist, and
the evil thing that he did when he murdered those innocent people was an act
of terrorism...then at least I'll feel okay about myself, deep down, that I
kept an open-mind and wasn't prejudice.
Dani
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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What lies? Seriously... are you SLOW??
How many times do I have to remind you that I clearly wrote that it was "my
take" and I "wasn't 110% sure"??
As I said.. you're book-smart, but where the hell is your COMMON-SENSE???
Do I really need to pull a you and go back in the archives to get my exact
words? This was just the other day, man, you've really already forgotten?
..lol!
WTF is going on with you?
Dani
Dani
"Jane" <pushl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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.. ;)
Of course you can handle Baawwwb, I actually shut my mouth for quite some
time, then I couldn't handle it anymore which is probably the reason that I
appeared to come-off like I was over-reacting when I (finally) said
something to him. It was bottled-up inside. I have a bad habit of keeping
things in for too long; so when they finally come-out, I can sometimes
appear to have a bad temper .. ;)
But anyway.. lots of references to "broom-sticks" and "whining and crying"
and "running off" and "menepause" etc.. just started to wear on me. Then
the tip of the Iceberg was when he made you feel like you had to come on
here and tell us all your real name. Ugh! That was it for me.
Now he keeps saying that I "lied" lolololol! How in Christ's name is an
opinion, a take on a situation "lying" is beyond me!
Maybe I'll go easy on 'em. He appears to be going through something (he's
changed his name; he's swearing; he's behaving very
UN-Christian like! ..lol)
I'll go easy...
Have a good one, Jane!
All the best,
Dani
Bob
So you'll allow people who may have been further away to overrule
those who actually DID hear it? Sheesh, are you for real?
Bob
I'll believe it because you stopped using it so quickly, and
apparently felt the need to reincorporate my real name to achieve that
vindictive satisfaction you're so desperately looking for.
>
> I liked Jim-Bob and was prepared to use that, but then Doc used steven-
> Bob and it had a nice ring to it. I'll change it to Bobby-Steve.
You know, if you'd stuck with Jim-Bob, I wouldn't have a case. But as
long as you keep using my real name, you're making my point very
nicely, whether you admit it or not.
>
> > > > Despite the lies of you and the other liars, I had no intention to
> > > > reveal your name. In case you missed it, I mentioned the fact I had
> > > > not revealed Randy's personal information when Ricky wanted it. And
> > > > despite the various disagreements I have with Ricky, he knows me well
> > > > enough to know I will not reveal anyone's personal information on this
> > > > group, even if they taunt me until the end of time. Obviously you know
> > > > this about me, or you wouldn't feel so comfortable taunting me the way
> > > > you continue to do.
>
> > > > And by the way, Poor Little Delicate Flower
>
> > > Lol. You see why I think you are just like a parrot?
>
> > Why? Because Woods said I toyed with you, that I pushed you, that I
> > tormented you, and that I wouldn't quit even after you cried uncle? Is
> > that what you mean, Poor Little Delicate Flower?
>
> Do you even know what a parrot is and what it is known for (besides
> bright colours)?
Do you realize you're very clumsily dodging the point? Of course you
do!
Bob
> "Doc" <cmdrl...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:hddmt7$7n0$1...@aioe.org...
>
> > "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
Uh, Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. In case you haven't seen me say
that before, I'll repeat it -- as I have to repeat things around here
several times before some people get it. And for that I'm called a
parrot, but I don't care. I'll keep repeating things whenever someone
doesn't get it.
>
> Again.. if he was white and Catholic, would we even be considering that this
> case is related to terrorism?
It would depend on his motives, wouldn't it? Timothy McVeigh had
terrorist motives. So did the Unabomber. The Unabomber, in case you
don't know, was not of Arab descent and had no religious beliefs as
far as I know.
>
> I'm so afraid of us becoming a paranoid Nation that sees a "Terrorist!!!!"
> in every man or woman who is of Arab descent. That's one of my biggest
> fears as an American.
Don't worry, Dani, that's not even close to happening. In fact, we're
leaning so far in the opposite direction that our Army allowed an
officer to remain in his position despite numerous warning signals
that he was a potential problem. Does that make you feel better,
knowing they allowed this guy to remain there and kill those people
when anyone who WASN'T a Muslim would have been removed for similar
kinds of extreme statements?
>
> If in fact it *does* turn out in the end that this man is a terrorist, and
> the evil thing that he did when he murdered those innocent people was an act
> of terrorism...then at least I'll feel okay about myself, deep down, that I
> kept an open-mind and wasn't prejudice.
Yes, you and others can feel good knowing your open and wonderful
tolerance allowed the man to remain in his position so he could kill
all those people. Political correctness has now proved deadly.
Bob
>
> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>
> words?
I know your exact words. After I told you they were wrong, and you
persisted in repeating them, your exact words became lies.
Bob
>
> But anyway.. lots of references to "broom-sticks"
Oh, you mean her repeated references to me having a broomstick up my
ass? That is what you mean, isn't it?
>
> and "whining and crying" and "running off"
Oh, you mean after she said I have a thin skin and should leave usenet
if I can't take it? So I pointed out that she's the one who left the
group whining and crying all the way. And I'll also take this
opportunity to point out that you were one of the worst offenders
AFTER she left the group, and you wouldn't quit pounding on her for
over a week. So I defended her against your unfair attacks, and
apparently Jane has never forgiven me for that -- even though she did
thank me at the time.
>
> and "menepause" etc..
Menopause? That was only after repeated unfair attacks from Jane, as
well as episodes where she displayed her faulty memory.
>
> just started to wear on me. Then
> the tip of the Iceberg was when he made you feel like you had to come on
> here and tell us all your real name.
She didn't have to reveal her real name. I didn't ask her to, I didn't
want her to. I'd have never done it. But none of that seems to matter
to you liars.
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 11, 6:19 am, "Dani" <purplewildflo...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>> But anyway.. lots of references to "broom-sticks"
> Oh, you mean her repeated references to me having a broomstick up my
> ass? That is what you mean, isn't it?
Nahh.
>> and "whining and crying" and "running off"
> Oh, you mean after she said I have a thin skin and should leave usenet
> if I can't take it? So I pointed out that she's the one who left the
> group whining and crying all the way. And I'll also take this
> opportunity to point out that you were one of the worst offenders
> AFTER she left the group, and you wouldn't quit pounding on her for
> over a week. So I defended her against your unfair attacks, and
> apparently Jane has never forgiven me for that -- even though she did
> thank me at the time.
HA! Nice attempt at reverse Psychology, bub, but it won't work. Cute
little try, though!
Baawwwb's mindset, above: "Hmmm.. maybe if I mention that Jane and Dani have
fought in the past, it will spark something-up between the two of them
again, and THEY will fight each-other and forget about me!!!"
Nope! Bait denied. Whatever happened between Jane and I in the past is in
the past! Her and I get along great now, and that won't change...despite
your sly, under-handed interjection (that I spotted right off, btw!) above.
I'm sure Jane won't fall for it either.
NEXT!!! .. ;)
>> and "menepause" etc..
> Menopause? That was only after repeated unfair attacks from Jane, as
> well as episodes where she displayed her faulty memory.
Did Jane mention anything to you about ahhh, oh, I dunno... needing Viagra,
or anything else that may have hit you at your core as a man? Hit you at
your Masculinity?
Some things are just below the belt.
>> just started to wear on me. Then
>> the tip of the Iceberg was when he made you feel like you had to come on
>> here and tell us all your real name.
> She didn't have to reveal her real name. I didn't ask her to, I didn't
> want her to. I'd have never done it. But none of that seems to matter
> to you liars.
Oh Christ Almighty! If you keep saying that my take on the situation is
"lying" then I'll really have to question whether or not you're fucking
SLOW!
OMG!!!
Dani
Bob
>
> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> >> But anyway.. lots of references to "broom-sticks"
>
> > Oh, you mean her repeated references to me having a broomstick up my
> > ass? That is what you mean, isn't it?
>
> Nahh.
Well, then, that's all I need to know about you and your lack of
fairness. Good-bye, liar.
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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It's called sarcasm. It's called my way of showing you how fed-up I am with
how infantile you've been behaving lately. It's called my way of answering
"questions" that aren't even fucking questions!
Doc
As I said, stupid, it doesn't much matter if he said it or not. If he's
insane or nearly so, what he says has little bearing on disproving or
proving anyones' OPINIONS, at this point.
When the court trial finally gets here, if he survives and can give
testimony, I think we'll see that overly zealous patriotic assholes like you
should've kept their biased opinions to themselvs. But, what the fuck, by
then, you'll be onto another 'burning issue' that's outraging your sensitive
nature. LOL! And I wonder how many thousands of 'critical issues' you
will have lumbered through by the time you reach my age, supposing you're
able to admit even to yourself your age group. Actually, you have more in
common with nutballs like Hasan than you'd ever consider.
Maybe you oughta' take a reality check and see if you're 'real'?
It's the HOLY TEMPLE OF G.I. JOE down there in RedneckLand. Why would anyone
want to disbelieve? LOL!
Doc
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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The fact of the matter is I do not KNOW for a FACT whether or not what he
did was an act of terrorism, related to Islamic terrorists, or if he is just
another random nut-job amongst so many other random nut-jobs that have
pulled psycho acts like this and have gone-off.
I don't know. Plain and simple. And for that I'm chastised by you? And
you attempt to make me feel guilty because I state the truth, that I don't
fucking know??
Would you rather me speculate and be wrong? Oh, but I thought you believe
speculation to be "lies" (lol!) afterall.
Dani
Doc
"Dani" <purplewi...@live.com> wrote in message
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You must have FAITH in the military mind and purpose, Dani. It's superior to
all the other kinds of mindsets and agendas out there.
Coldly logical, deliberate, committed, unwielding, it marches en masse in
lock-step, turns on a dime from an order shouted, and marches on some more,
then it turns once more, on another order...and stops like a 4-wheel ABS
brake system on yet another shouted command, stands solidly, unsmiling,
unemotional, like a forest of oaks, chins up, eyes fixed forward, arms
rigidly horizontal, boots together...
and then...another command is shouted...and the inhuman marching machine
begins again, each set of legs in perfect unison with the others, as the
drums beat the rythym for the march into...
mass killing and maiming, where they split into smaller sections, and fix
their gazes on some other human being across the field, in the jungle, out
in the desert...
and BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG....
Bullets fly, blood splatters into the air, men scream in agony...
others scream in excitement.
(Baaawb's World to be continued)
Doc ;))~~
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You must have FAITH in the military mind and purpose, Dani. It's
superior
> to all the other kinds of mindsets and agendas out there.
> Coldly logical, deliberate, committed, unwielding, it marches en masse in
> lock-step, turns on a dime from an order shouted, and marches on some
> more, then it turns once more, on another order...and stops like a 4-wheel
> ABS brake system on yet another shouted command, stands solidly,
> unsmiling, unemotional, like a forest of oaks, chins up, eyes fixed
> forward, arms rigidly VERTICAL, boots together...
> and then...another command is shouted...and the inhuman marching machine
> begins again, each set of legs in perfect unison with the others, as the
> drums beat the rythym for the march into...
> mass killing and maiming, where they split into smaller sections, and fix
> their gazes on some other human being across the field, in the jungle, out
> in the desert...
> and BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG....
> Bullets fly, blood splatters into the air, men scream in agony...
> others scream in excitement.
Then they have a comradery moment of chain smoking, coffee drinking,
telling
weird macho jokes, and some undoubtedly throw up, while others change
their
pissed and shitted fatigues...and then another command is shouted to
advance
forward.
"We've got air cover, those flyboys better not let us down," Baaaawb
mutters.
"If those fuckers do, we'll beat their shitty pants off in the next
Army-Air
Force game," Ofc. VOR assures Baaaaawb, laughing, patting Baaaawb on
the shoulder.
Baaaawb smiles wickedly, nods his head, and tightens his helmut
strap,
checks his rifle clip and handgun.
"I wanna get one of those smirking camel-fuckers. I wanna see one of
their
faces just once, see 'em look like a goddamn deer in the headlights
just
before I blow his evil head clean off, " Baaaawb growls.
> (Baaawb's World, Revised Edition, to be continued)
> Doc ;))~~
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> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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The following article was written by a liberal -- not a fringe radical
leftist like some members of this group, but a true liberal:
Headline: "Failing the troops at Fort Hood"
By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
There's a difference between sensitivity and stupidity. If there were
indeed signs that Maj. Nidal Hasan, the alleged Fort Hood mass
murderer, was becoming radicalized in his opposition to the U.S. wars
in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army had a duty to act -- before he did.
Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff, said Sunday that he was
concerned "this increased speculation" about Hasan's evolving
political and religious views "could cause a backlash against some of
our Muslim soldiers." Casey is right to worry about the lunatics and
bigots who now will think of all Muslims in the military as potential
enemies. But it only feeds such paranoia to ignore alarm bells that an
unstable individual, Muslim or not, is about to blow.
According to published reports, Hasan told people of his serious
doubts about the U.S. military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hasan, a psychiatrist who had evaluated returning soldiers for stress-
related disorders, made no secret of his reluctance to serve in the
Afghan theater, where he was to be sent within weeks. According to ABC
News, fellow Army doctors told superiors of their concern that Hasan
felt divided allegiance -- both to the Muslims whom he felt were under
attack and the country he had volunteered to serve.
All this should have been enough to prompt an urgent intervention by
Army brass, regardless of Hasan's religion. That it did not is unfair
to the thousands of Muslims who have served in the military, and
continue to do so, with honor and distinction.
"The system is not doing what it's supposed to do," Army doctor Val
Finnell told the Associated Press. Finnell, who studied with Hasan,
complained to higher-ups about Hasan's "anti-American" rants and his
stated view that the United States was conducting a war against Islam.
"He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to
cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out."
Indeed he should have been. In the Army, there's a rich tradition of
grousing about idiotic higher-ups and their ridiculous orders. But it
sounds as if Hasan's complaints went far beyond the ordinary,
especially in the notion that he might be unsure of his loyalty and
duty. [end excerpt]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/09/AR2009110902601.html
Bob
> all the other kinds of mindsets and agendas out there.
> Coldly logical, deliberate, committed, unwielding, it marches en masse in
> lock-step, turns on a dime from an order shouted, and marches on some more,
Now I see why you're more concerned with the shooter's sensibilities
than you are with the people he murdered. You don't like the people he
murdered, so you feel a sort of kinship with the murderer. And now
you're "joking" about killing me. And it's all perfectly acceptable
around here, isn't it?
Doc
Your kind of biased extremist *speculation* fuels the fire, junior.
We'll see how many innocent Muslims get harassed, hurt, or killed in
the days ahead. This case has barely begun. Had he died, it'd been
better, but it appears he'll live.
That means the media and rightwng assholes like yourself will get
extra nationalistic propaganda milked from it.
Evil comes in all disguises, including an ex-soldier that can't resist
stirring the racially charged environment up to satisfy his hatred and
fears, and promote his self-glorifying agenda.
You are evil, junior.
Evil with one name, two, or a dozen.
It doesn't matter.
You slip and slide about to protect yourself, whether physically or
psychically, as you spew out *speculation* designed to reinforce your
narrow worldview.
It is you who finds a good many Americans 'threatening', 'morally
inferior', and 'insignificant', as you've described this 'tiny group
of fringe leftists.'
You are the threat.
The threat not only to our stability and cohesion as a nation, but a
threat to sanity and reason.
I joke about killing, but it is your military that kills en masse,
maims, tortures, and wreaks bloody fucking havoc on this planet of
apes.
You fucking piece of silly shit.
Doc ;))~~~
Dani
"Bob" <steven....@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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While I agree that anyone in the Military who has a duty to "serve and
protect" his country, yet he has doubts, and/or mixed emotions (feels "torn"
etc..) between two allegiances, should be Psychologically evaluated to get
to the bottom of his inner-conflict...I will say again that I still don't
know for 110% certainty that what he did was an act of Islamic terrorism, or
if he is just another random psycho who went off.
If he was an American Soldier, but deep down, he also believed himself to
have an allegiance to his Muslim/Arab roots, his ancestry, yet at the same
time...his "enemy" the ones that he was sent to fight are also
Muslims...that must've been very, very hard on him.
But you and I can go back and forth speculating from here to high-Heaven for
all of eternity, Steven.. but the end result will still be the same. That
neither you, nor I know for an absolute, definite FACT.
But isn't that one of the things that you love most about our country? You
are so very Patriotic, so I would imagine that you are happy that we have
Due Process! Or would you rather we become like those other "uncivilized"
countries of the past that would just throw this man in some Internment
Camp, or throw him in a prison-cell to rot without a fair trial in Court?
Which is it? Because you can't have it both ways. Now I'm being serious
here, not pulling a "Baawwwb" ..I'm talking to Steven Douglas right now.
And you, Steven Douglas are one of the most Patriotic Americans I have ever
come-across in my life. And in this Nation (that you so adore), we have
something called: "Innocent Until Proven Guilty." ..and, Steven, I tend to
to like that we have that. Makes me feel a bit comfortable...don't know
about you but that's just me.
Now with that said... do you think that if you were called for Jury Duty in
this case, and you were asked during the qualification process, if you could
remain unbiased, and judge this case completely openly and fairly, and look
solely at only facts here without any personal emotion...would you be able
to participate in that Jury?
Dani
Doc
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We should've never gotten involved in Iraq, and here you are, and your
rightwing buddies, distressed about the inevitable social fallout at
home. You make you fucking bed, and now lie in it.
And stop complaining that a racially charged environment of paranoia
and moral self-righteousness, blind patriotism, and stupidity has
arisen in the wake of Bush's Big Blunder.
If you want to criticize the command, then remind yourself that
commanders are no more than the rest morally. I've heard this
horseshit many times before. With Mai Lai in Nam -- let's clean up the
command mistakes, make improvements, but the same results inevitably
occur in the fucking sickness of war's hate and fearmongering.
I said you'd polticize this quickly and have already laid blame on the
"liberal media".
You can't stop with your insect mind, stupid.
Whether paranoid in this group, or paranoid outside of it, you are in
your mind's bunker, ready to spread some more hate and fear around,
and then sit back and be aghast at the horrid violence it engenders.
You rightwing assholes have been acting strangely all year, reacting
to the smallest of events, such as Letterman's misfired joke, and
stomping about, thrashing the branches, beating your chests.
You bloody ape.
Doc
Woodswun
> On Nov 11, 6:19 am, "Dani" <purplewildflo...@live.com> wrote:
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> > But anyway.. lots of references to "broom-sticks"
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> Oh, you mean her repeated references to me having a broomstick up my
> ass? That is what you mean, isn't it?
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> > and "whining and crying" and "running off"
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> Oh, you mean after she said I have a thin skin and should leave usenet
> if I can't take it? So I pointed out that she's the one who left the
> group whining and crying all the way. And I'll also take this
> opportunity to point out that you were one of the worst offenders
> AFTER she left the group, and you wouldn't quit pounding on her for
> over a week. So I defended her against your unfair attacks, and
> apparently Jane has never forgiven me for that -- even though she did
> thank me at the time.
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> > and "menepause" etc..
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> Menopause? That was only after repeated unfair attacks from Jane, as
> well as episodes where she displayed her faulty memory.
Thus making it okay to use a medical term specific to women as a
slur. But nooooo, he's not mysoginistic at all - lol!
Woods
Woodswun
> "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
Once you brought it up, I had to look ....
From http://www.drugs.com/sfx/viagra-side-effects.html:
"
Psychiatric
Psychiatric side effects have included anecdotal reports and case
studies of psychological disturbances and aggressive behavior
"
Woods
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Dani
"Doc" <cmdr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You're on a "Writing Roll" today, Doc!
Artistic, articulate!
.. ;)
Cheers,
Dani
Bob
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> On Nov 11, 10:04 am, Bob <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 11, 9:26 am, "Doc" <cmdrl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > You must have FAITH in the military mind and purpose, Dani. It's superior to
> > > all the other kinds of mindsets and agendas out there.
> > > Coldly logical, deliberate, committed, unwielding, it marches en masse in
> > > lock-step, turns on a dime from an order shouted, and marches on some more,
>
> > Now I see why you're more concerned with the shooter's sensibilities
> > than you are with the people he murdered. You don't like the people he
> > murdered, so you feel a sort of kinship with the murderer. And now
> > you're "joking" about killing me. And it's all perfectly acceptable
> > around here, isn't it?
>
> Your kind of biased extremist *speculation* fuels the fire, junior.
> We'll see how many innocent Muslims get harassed, hurt, or killed in
> the days ahead.
It's been almost a week since the massacre. Why don't we already have
examples that would justify your hysteria? Because it's not happening,
just as it didn't happen after 9/11, despite the type of hysteria
you're exhibiting right now.
Bob
Yes, poor him. And despite the fact those things were known about him,
and reported to higher-ups, he was not investigated. The Army brass
looked the other way because they didn't want to upset people like you
and Doc (and others) by investigating a Muslim for having conflicted
thoughts about his duty as a soldier.
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> But you and I can go back and forth speculating from here to high-Heaven for
> all of eternity, Steven.. but the end result will still be the same. That
> neither you, nor I know for an absolute, definite FACT.
>
> But isn't that one of the things that you love most about our country? You
> are so very Patriotic, so I would imagine that you are happy that we have
> Due Process! Or would you rather we become like those other "uncivilized"
> countries of the past that would just throw this man in some Internment
> Camp, or throw him in a prison-cell to rot without a fair trial in Court?
What? Where have I said anything even remotely like that? Of course I
love our justice system, as I've said on this group numerous times.
>
> Which is it? Because you can't have it both ways.
I've never said I want anything both ways.
>
> Now I'm being serious
> here, not pulling a "Baawwwb" ..I'm talking to Steven Douglas right now.
> And you, Steven Douglas are one of the most Patriotic Americans I have ever
> come-across in my life. And in this Nation (that you so adore), we have
> something called: "Innocent Until Proven Guilty." ..and, Steven, I tend to
> to like that we have that. Makes me feel a bit comfortable...don't know
> about you but that's just me.
Well, as Doc likes to remind me, this group is not a court of law. I'm
not bound by justice system requirements when I post here. My main
problem with the whole thing is that the Army brass did not
investigate this guy while he was still at Walter Reed Hospital.
Instead, they transferred him to Fort Hood and allowed him to continue
his career, despite the objections of some people who knew him.
>
> Now with that said... do you think that if you were called for Jury Duty in
> this case, and you were asked during the qualification process, if you could
> remain unbiased, and judge this case completely openly and fairly, and look
> solely at only facts here without any personal emotion...would you be able
> to participate in that Jury?
No, in all fairness to the defendant, I'd have to ask to dismissed
from that jury.
Woodswun
I thought he was investigated and they found there was nothing that
warranted further action.
Woods
Bob
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> > Menopause? That was only after repeated unfair attacks from Jane, as
> > well as episodes where she displayed her faulty memory.
>
> Thus making it okay to use a medical term specific to women as a
> slur. But nooooo, he's not mysoginistic at all - lol!
It was in the form of a question, not a statement. But tell me Woods,
is it a gender specific thing for a woman to say a man has a
broomstick shoved up his ass?
Woodswun
Ah, found the article I'd read. Should've looked for it before
posting.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/10/fort.hood.shooting/index.html
Bob
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> On Nov 11, 2:11 pm, Woodswun <woods...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 11, 2:09 pm, Bob <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Yes, poor him. And despite the fact those things were known about him,
> > > and reported to higher-ups, he was not investigated.
>
> > I thought he was investigated and they found there was nothing that
> > warranted further action.
>
> > Woods
>
> Ah, found the article I'd read. Should've looked for it before
> posting.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/10/fort.hood.shooting/index.html
What is this article supposed to prove? Several of his fellow soldiers
had complained about him to higher-ups, about his conflicted views
concerning his Muslim roots and his duty as an American soldier, and
nothing was ever done. The thing you're talking about is from
intelligence agencies who intercepted his email attempts to
communicate with terrorists. The Army never knew about those
communications.
Bob
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> On Nov 11, 10:55 am, "Dani" <purplewildflo...@live.com> wrote:
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> > "Bob" <steven.doug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> Psychiatric
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> Psychiatric side effects have included anecdotal reports and case
> studies of psychological disturbances and aggressive behavior
> "
Okay, feel better now? Are we even? I have no psychological
disturbances, and my aggressive behavior is as normal as its ever
been. Jane says she can handle me on her own without your
interference, Woods, but I know you think she's a meek little delicate
flower. So be it. For the record, I do not take Viagra or any other
substance. But nice try.
Doc
Your ass would be way too tight. But if it could be done, our chronic
constipation would ease.
Woodswun
No, not yet. I don't see the dr for another hour or so ...
>Are we even?
No, I'm odd, and so are you.
>I have no psychological
> disturbances, and my aggressive behavior is as normal as its ever
> been.
No, you have been a bit off the deep end in the past week or so.
Several people have commented on it.
>Jane says she can handle me on her own without your
> interference, Woods, but I know you think she's a meek little delicate
> flower.
That's your projection, not my thought.
>So be it. For the record, I do not take Viagra or any other
> substance. But nice try.
Nobody cares, Bob.
Woods