Nostradamus comments on Roosevelt
Thierry Vigneron
Of the new clothes after the treuve made,
Malicious, weave and machination:
First will die he who will prove it,
Color Venice insidiation.
Initially let us see in the details each one of these words and
expressions of the quatrain! Clothes like coming from Latin
"habitus", which in its first significance implied the "manner of
being", became thereafter "costume" Trêve is interesting, because
francic "treuwa" indicates the contract, the treaty, and comes from
Latin inducias. the mischievousness is in general underhand and
implies bad intentions and spite, in another slope of its facet
includes the malignant side and crafty one! the screen is also an
action which prepares, "it is woven something" = it is plotted, it
occurs something. machination: an intrigue, a trick counters
somebody. According to the Petit Robert "of carried out Together
secret more or less unfair"
The two easy ways to which it is delivered Nostradamus are interesting
the Name of Roosevelt are composed from two last towards the third
towards with share describing the disastrous situation of the
president, give an amusing charade, it worms can completely build EC
manner "Will die first which will make the proof of it" i.e. "he will
die the first bus he will have to show that" that hardly changes the
direction of the sentence, but makes it possible to see small the
plays grammatical Premier which will make the proof of it, here is a
typically mathematical expression, first sounds as the prime number
i.e. of which the remainder of give 1 in this case the number is
known as first, the proof is known as here by 9, it is the first on
the three (Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill) but since it is the first one
thus removes 1 to 3, remains 2 (prime number) 9/2=4,5 since it is the
first, one thus has ¼,5, thing that one rounded with ¼ the quarter
says German viertel and is the French translation of the word gauging
stick the second enigma is "color Venice" Venice since was always
known for the city of the love, it inspired by many poets and painters
romantic, this color is it pink (color of the love) If one pink joint,
and quarter-gauging stick, one obtains a strange Rosevelte mixture,
which by épenthèse and phonetics gives Roosevelt
Jean Guernon
Thierry Vigneron a écrit:
Welcome here Thierry. It is nice to have someone new presents one's
exegesis, here on this group, even if we don't often agree on what
Nostradamus meant on our own Nostradamus listserv. It doesn't mean that
we can't discuss on a world forum hopefully, even if we usually often
disagree.
About this particular quatrain here, I didn't put forth my version on
the Nostradamus listserv, given that you and Claude both seemed to agree
for once! True, on a far fetch interpretation about it, indeed,
Roosevelt, gee, but since you were like two fish in a bowl (comme deux
larrons en foire, dirait-on dans la langue de Molière), I preferred not
to get involved on our listserv.
But here, I will offer my own exegesis, indeed, thus I'll take the
opportunity to share my take on this quatrain with you two. I hope you
don't think that I am in any way trying to be anything else than
objective here. Anyway.
For starters, of course, despite your (Claude and Thierry) respective
takes, Venice does refer to... Venice and its colors to its unique
reign. But allow me to elaborate.
Let's see first the quatrain:
http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q6.htm
D'habits nouueaux après faicte la treuue,
Malice trame et machination.
Premier mourra qui en fera la preuue,
Couleur Venise insidiation.
Of new clothes after made the truce,
Maliciousness plotting and machination:
First will die he who will make proof of it,
Color Venetian trap.
This quatrain speaks of a clothing revolution within some group, of a
truce imposed in a conflict, of an infernal plot and the death of the
character who would denounce it. The last line specifies the trap would
bear the colors of Venice.
One has to remember that in the days of nostradamus, "Venitia" was
characterized by a very particular form of government, where its "doge"
would be elected by the Great Counsel, which, despite appearances, held
the real reign of power despite the fact that the doge, this important
central character, was presiding the two main institutions, the Lordship
(Seigneurie) and the "College". The comparison can bring us to think of
the early French Revolution, and its fragile institutions, forged under
the sign of liberty and anarchy. In addition, one may remember quatrain
2,2 ("blue head" opposed to" white head") designating the new clothes of
the republican army and those of the conventional army (clothing
revolution), or in other words, Danton and Robespierre.
As for the truce underlines in the first verse, one can think about the
one that occurred between Austria and France following the battle of
Valmy (September 20, 1792), since this cease fire between the factions
was the real start of the infighting between revolutionary factions for
power. One must consider that, like with the doge of Venice, the
opposing chiefs of this internal conflict didn't hold any real power,
but had to make do with a Counsel who was definitively fixing the rules
of the game.
Danton and Robespierre were very different. Danton became minister of
the Justice, member of the ministerial Council (August 1792) and deputy
of Paris, while Robespierre, used the public salute Committee to reach
his goals. He adopted a centralizing politics where the virtue was
synonymous of terror. He aimed at the supreme power. Danton, suspecting
his ambitions, attempted to enter into the public salute Committee; we
was quickly dislodged from it. His enterprise to put an end to the
regime of Terror and to knock Robespierre down led him to the guillotine
(April 5, 1794). He had proven the ambitions of the future master of the
nation, but at what price! Robespierre fell July 27.
That's about it... :-)
Thanks.
J.
Thierry Vigneron
I does not pretend to be new, I am it on this forum, not on Yahoo, but
on Google if! I do not agree with your assertions which usually lack
of consistency. It is not one, but several quatrains that I probed
with deepest (Ionescu it thus did not do) I would say just, whom it
had charged me with continuing its work, in a contact which we had in
1996 (letter of April 9 1996) Of many errors have summers made by him
Nostradamus really speaks about Communism, of Ceausescu, but the lack
of consistency of a small number of example, makes me show what is not
good, while digging of advantage! But here I will go more loing, for
the greatest pleasure of all!
Thierry Vigneron
>As of 1937 Franklin Roosevelt already started to prepare the American
opinion, on the possibility, of a participation of America in the war,
against Germany Nazi. Thus in 1941 after Pearl Harbour, Roosevelt
declares the war with the powers of the axis. These new clothes of
which they is question, are the changes of attitudes of Roosevelt with
regard to Germany, after the end of the second world war, where
Roosevelt projected to rebuild the world on the basis of agreement
between the great powers (project of the United Nations).
>But as Nostradamus indicates it, this desire for remaking the world
with the agreement between the great powers (America, Russia, Germany,
England) was going to show the dishonesty of Stalin to him, which
removed it agreements of Yalta in February 1945, it did not have the
force to resist because it was sick by the poliomyelitis. This
disease begins like an infectious disease, by fever of the vomiting,
precedent of little a méningé syndrome, heralding the paralyses, those
significant, asymmetrical, painful are accompanied by abolition by the
reflexes, and amyotrophie but without any sensitive deficit.
Mortality due to this disease, is mainly related to respiratory
disorders and swallowing, corresponding to the paralysis
>From where the expression in our quatrain of "insiadition"
>
Thierry Vigneron
>But color Venice insidiation does is not make to say that the other
part of the name of Roosevelt, the insidious color, it is this worrying
color (gray or black) symbol of died and sadness, gray which in Greek
is "polio" if one looks the Venice color now either in his symbolism,
but in its own direction it is about fair Venetian drawing slightly on
the russet-red one giving a color going more on the blood, side one
aperçevoir the channel medullaire, the large channel of Venice but it
would take too a long time to make the minitieuse analysis here of it,
disont only that according to the Petit Robert, color is attached with
in one of its derivatives indo- European "cell means"
>We can conclude that this mischievousness of Stalin was a machination,
a trap tended to Roosevelt which will have thus been the proof of the
dishonesty of Stalin!
>Traduction
After both new deals near to the second world war, wanting to remake
the world, with the agreement between the great powers thus changing
tactic (Of new clothes) après the war during the peace of 1945
(after fact the treuve) the malignant and underhand adversary, will use
the trick (Malice)afin to secretly operate a plot against Roosevelt,
which will want a world new, free and unified (trame & machination)ce
first of the three president de Yalta who will die before the others
(First will die) will have the occasion to be convinced of such a
dealing of Stalin against him and the world, not wanting a this new
world of peace, drawing aside it definitively in 1945(who will make
the proof) the name of this president will be of it is Roosevelt
(first which will make the proof of it Color Venice)attirer in the
obstacle of Stalin it will not be able to answer it because it will be
very weakened and will die of a disease which will appear very serious
and the effects are perceived only too late including the fever: the
poliomyelitis (insidiation)
Leigh_Bee
> IV-6
>Let us see what a combination of the Mighty Leoni and Le vert did
with this rhyme:
C IV- Q6 D'habits nouueaux apres faicte la treuue,
Malice tramme et machination:
Premier mourra qui en fera la preuue
C IVQ6 New ways after the discovery/truce is made--- Wickedness,
plotting, and scheming.
The first to die [shall be the man] who brought the proof of it.
Venetian coloring [about/to/in] the plot.
Line 1. 'habits' has so many potential meanings that it is impossible
to delimit it. 'treuve,treve ' (truce) vs. 'treuve, trouve'
(discovery). Line 4. Venetian red, a pun, since 'couleur' also means
deception, treachery, pretense.
C4Q06. By the new clothes after the find is made, Malicious plot and
machination: First will die he who will prove it, Colour Venetian
trap.
6 colour trap = Possibly Trap of Venetian red colour.
VI. D'habits nouveaux Après faite la treuve 6, Malice tramme et
machination: Premier mourra qui en fera la preuve, Couleur venise
insidiation 7.
6 treuve OF: treuve, discovery, find.
7 insidiation = OF: insidiation, snare, trap.
C4Q06. This one is rather hopelessly obscure. "The new clothes" may
refer to a new order of monks. It is not certain that the city of
Venice is called for in the last line. There is a color called
Venetian red which has a yellowish-brown appearance.
Does that iron out your preconception?
LB
Thierry Vigneron
>Which logic between the fact that was catholic for him and the fact
that he is prophet??? doctor and similar astrologer.
>Jesus was chrétient (but Jewish), and yet that did not empeché to him
to predict in Judas which would betray it .
>If it had received the gift to predict, one should not be astonished
that it is seen a threat planing on the world such as Hitler, Stalin
etc.
>Prophecy is not limited to vague things, that is precise, when
to the remainder I invite you to take a French dictionary and to read
it.
>Certain words of the centuries have summers to handle by American
colleagues, one includes/understands thus why you cannot translate.
>Treuve is made by him this ways for the rhyme and in any ways a word
like finding is not, one does not change like that of the words
because
one wants to make them tell few details.
>If it were a machine an invention what a is logic with first will die
which will make of it the proof a machine with the such capacity to
think and die, (idiocy) can it catch the "polio" reflechissez a
little! Nostradamus with
known as "planing" OK obscurement! but not everywhere, it was
clearly,
it above!
Thierry Vigneron
russet-red one (russet-red and not red) It is strange for a type
educated to utter of such things:
>Don't metaphors, apocope, charades You know???
>about, inform your the French language, that would inform you instead
of uttering stupidities!
>Venice is also described and used as metaphor in correspondence with
the "polio" the large channel of Venice is used to describe the
medullary canal (spinal cord) of or the Indo-European derivative
"cell" about which I have to speak. Venice is also the city of water
(built on water) phonetic ressemblence water=os the bones
(which in French this pronounce like: water)
the spinal cord contains famous "the cells" blood this mixture of
cell and Venice color with water.
>a precision of this kind should however jump to the eyes of certain
scientists . Nostradamus did not limit its indications it said in
the foreword to césar that it had made obscure these writings, and as
much as possible condense the extremely many details :
I does respect his words!
Leigh_Bee
> >It is idiotic what you say
>
> >Which logic between the fact that was catholic for him and the fact
> that he is prophet??? doctor and similar astrologer.
what FDR have to do with anything? he was related to Stalin and
churchill
>
> >SNIP
> >If it were a machine an invention what a is logic with first will die
> which will make of it the proof a machine with the such capacity to
> think and die, (idiocy) can it catch the "polio" reflechissez a
> little! Nostradamus with
> known as "planing" OK obscurement! but not everywhere, it was
> clearly,
> it above!
H'mm taking a logic leap there,
But perhaps the oft mentioned "Quatrain breakdown" might help you but
don't let the facts get in the way of a good yarn eh?
:
>Geographical setting specified or implied (63%)
>After France, the scene of most quatrains is Italy. Thereafter,
>Iberia, England, the Netherlands, Central Europe, the Balkans, North
>Africa and the Near East share more or less equally. Of Russia, the
>Middle and Far East and the Americas there is next to nothing.
>Geographical setting not specified (37%)
>Geographical setting specified or implied (63%)
>England and Scotland 4%
>France (Including Navarre and Lorraine):28%
>Netherlands (Holland and Belgium): 1%
>Italy (Including Monaco, Savoy, Corsica,Sardinia and Malta): 18%
>Switzerland (Includiug Calvinist Geneva):1.5%
>Central Europe (Germany, Austria, Bohemia, Hungary): 2% (3.5%)
>Iberia (Spain and Portugal): 2.5% (5%)
>Northern and Eastern Europe (Scandinavia, Poland and East, Balkans):
>3% (4%)
>Modern World of North Africa and Asia:3% (7%)
>Empires wars murders disasters:19%
>Religious and social turmoil 2%
>Discovery of Tombs and treasures 1%
>Monsters and Prodigies 1%
>Nostradamus personal 1%
>Miscellany 13%
>Especially interesting 4%
>Not Especially interesting though reasonably clear 6%
Regardez
LB
Thierry Vigneron
> nos...@wanadoo.fr (Thierry Vigneron) wrote in message news:<7529635.04083...@posting.google.com>...
>Are you a cretin???
>Are you weak???
>Be you unable to think ???
>The percentages are connery one can make them say all that one wants
to .
>Comment what wants to say "to obscurely raboting" . Me want your
comment, and not of the percentages .
>If it is that your exegèse and your science it is rotted !
>All those which believed the words it is all to mislead .
>Those which have to dig included/understood, and the results have
summers considering .
>Explain that, cretin !
>In the foreword with César, he said that for the whole world had
planned and not for some areas (Frenchman or Europeans).
>To reading , before profere such idiocies
> I does not know what you think, but I nobody defends here!
> I defends Nostradamus and it is all!
> Made truth exégèse and not of the homosexuals tricks!
> Blabla, blah, here are what has does not hear of proof, not
demonstrations.
> have some not enough of these conneries I would be you I arreterais
all of continuation!
> a council, now I would answer you, when you have some things of
truth and concrete to propose to me!
> You will never arrive at my height!
> the exégèse also uses, psychology, linguistics, history etc.
>your reason, gives wrong in return , as it false the knowledge
>The breath of the inspiration, comes when the spirit is untied
thought, the spirit must be open and concentrate on the center . Be
attentive with the breath (Ruach)!
Leigh_Bee
> leig...@optusnet.com.au (Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.04083...@posting.google.com>...
> > nos...@wanadoo.fr (Thierry Vigneron) wrote in message news:<7529635.04083...@posting.google.com>...
>
> >Are you a cretin???
> >Are you weak???
> >Be you unable to think ???
>
> >The percentages are connery one can make them say all that one wants
> to .
say this it was a thesis he presented, it has a very extensive
percentage for virtually every scenario location and outcome, perhaps
if you studied the book you would see it a a Great reference point
from which to start.
Now there are many here in this NG, who claim to defend Nostradamus,
fact is they do more to denigrate the poor man, than their efforts for
defence of said characters message.
Now if you cannot name names dates and locations with a better hit
rate than you are presenting, (Epistle: 4. Indeed, someone, who would
do well to blow his nose, may reply that the rhythm is as easy as the
sense is difficult. )
Prove you have a height to attain, rather than assume you have a
handle like you claim, who gave it to you?
>
> >Comment what wants to say "to obscurely raboting" . Me want your
> comment, and not of the percentages .
>
> >If it is that your exegèse and your science it is rotted !
>
> >All those which believed the words it is all to mislead .
>
> >Those which have to dig included/understood, and the results have
> summers considering .
>
> >Explain that, cretin !
>
> >In the foreword with César, he said that for the whole world had
> planned and not for some areas (Frenchman or Europeans).
Heard of Asia and Africa then?
>
> >To reading , before profere such idiocies
>
> > I does not know what you think, but I nobody defends here!
>
> > I defends Nostradamus and it is all!
>
> > Made truth exégèse and not of the homosexuals tricks!
>
> > Blabla, blah, here are what has does not hear of proof, not
> demonstrations.
>
> > have some not enough of these conneries I would be you I arreterais
> all of continuation!
>
> > a council, now I would answer you, when you have some things of
> truth and concrete to propose to me!
>
> > You will never arrive at my height!
>
> > the exégèse also uses, psychology, linguistics, history etc.
>
> >your reason, gives wrong in return , as it false the knowledge
>
> >The breath of the inspiration, comes when the spirit is untied
> thought, the spirit must be open and concentrate on the center . Be
> attentive with the breath (Ruach)!
Just don't exhale. @:}
LB