This thing looks like a flying saucer

[docufo]

Quoted:

While science journalist Latif Nasser was on this plane that took off
from San Angelo, Texas to be shown how the clouds are manipulated to
make rain, we see this UFO fly pass their plane. This was spotted on the
Netflix's Series "Connected - The Hidden Science of Everything"
Episode 5 at the 43:18 Mark of the show. Please have a look for yourselves..
Thanks to koby klar for this find.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkxIsd2AA8E&t=12s

Flying so damned fast it's barely noticed by the human eye. I find the
Netflix title rather ironical.

@y=
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[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> Flying so damned fast it's barely noticed by the human eye. I find the
> Netflix title rather ironical.

This is literally what you pretend to be against. You're promoting an
exploiter, someone preying on the ignorance of others in order to
sell them some paranormal that doesn't exist.

t's a typical "Rod," which is the product of recording speeds.


What's the slowest you think a plane like that can fly? I would
think no slower than 70 MPH, and that may in fact me more
like the landing speed, not the slowest cruising speed.

Planes can only go so slow, and then they literally fall. It's
called the "Stall Speed." It's the point where they move so
slow that they aren't generating enough lift it keep them in
the air: "Stall Speed."

So it's probably got a cruising speed of AT LEAST 70 MPH, and
if whatever is coming from the other direction is traveling at
40mph them that's a combined speed of 110 MPH.

Pretty conservative numbers here.

Pigeons can go up to 93 MPH, doing the Google just now, and
seagulls are just under 30...

Dragonflies only move about 35MPH, and they seem to create
"Rods" with a stationary camera!
'
"Rods" are less common today because HiDef cameras are
typically TWICE as fast as Standard Def. They can be even
faster. But seeing how "Rods" where almost always captured
with stationary cameras, and this one was moving at the speed
of a plane in flight, we already compensated for that. AND THEN
there's the fact that the "Rod" here is moving in the opposite
direction.

You can't tell what it is because it's a "Rod." It's an object of bird
moving faster than the recording speed.

There is nothing here that hasn't been seen & explained an
infinite number of times in the past.





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[docufo]

I said it "looked" like a "flying saucer" in my sarcasm. Of course it's
an optical phenomenon promoted by exploiters.

Its speed is merely illusory, as is it's seeming saucer "fuselage."

There's nothing the plane's pilots had to report. And there is no info
on whether they saw anything unknown.

That's why I keep saying that videos - especially those with no sighting
data - are easily promoted as "UFOs."

@y@
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[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> I said it "looked" like a "flying saucer" in my sarcasm. Of course it's
> an optical phenomenon promoted by exploiters.
>
> Its speed is merely illusory, as is it's seeming saucer "fuselage."
>
> There's nothing the plane's pilots had to report. And there is no info
> on whether they saw anything unknown.
>
> That's why I keep saying that videos - especially those with no sighting
> data - are easily promoted as "UFOs."

In reality, the test is if there is ANY terrestrial explanation that works. It
doesn't matter if there's two, three or eighteen too choose from, and
you don't know which one specifically, it's the fact that you don't need the
extraordinary to explain the observation.

If you can't find any plausible terrestrial answers, it's a candidate.

"UFOlogy" keeps everything backwards. It takes a "Well if you can't prove
it wasn't, then it was" attitude.

Truth is there is no strong evidence for any UFO phenomenon. This is why
my approaches focus on gathering such evidence. Not so much explaining
what any particular "UFO" is, but establishing that there really are UFOs.

...military aircraft, modified & ordered to a specific spot where they
have a sighting, doesn't even begin to establish "UFOs." It looks like they
set up some pilots for a test.





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[docufo]

On 4/14/2022 8:32 PM, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> docufo wrote:
>
>> I said it "looked" like a "flying saucer" in my sarcasm. Of course it's
>> an optical phenomenon promoted by exploiters.
>>
>> Its speed is merely illusory, as is it's seeming saucer "fuselage."
>>
>> There's nothing the plane's pilots had to report. And there is no info
>> on whether they saw anything unknown.
>>
>> That's why I keep saying that videos - especially those with no sighting
>> data - are easily promoted as "UFOs."
>
> In reality, the test is if there is ANY terrestrial explanation that works. It
> doesn't matter if there's two, three or eighteen too choose from, and
> you don't know which one specifically, it's the fact that you don't need the
> extraordinary to explain the observation.
>
> If you can't find any plausible terrestrial answers, it's a candidate.
>
> "UFOlogy" keeps everything backwards. It takes a "Well if you can't prove
> it wasn't, then it was" attitude.
>
> Truth is there is no strong evidence for any UFO phenomenon.

No, there's plenty of very strong evidence for "anomalous aerial
vehicles" (as they were labeled originally by AATIP). The government now
confesses UFOs are real, that they are intelligently controlled craft
and quite unidentified.

AAVs operate with impunity over high security air spaces, travel
underwater and our best defense is no deterrent. They utterly leave our
fastest jet fighters in the dust.

By any reasonable mature definition, "UFOs" are unknown flying machines
way beyond our known capabilities and have been confounding us since WW2
in modern as well as ancient times.

The official line today is that very strong evidence indicates highly
advanced flying machines are "probably" coming from a foreign nation.
They say they do not come from the USA. And they speculate that some of
those unknowns might be ETs.

That is the current top Pentagon assessment.

One could strangely imagine our military having two sets of aircraft -
one, the props and turbine powered, with wings, exhaust ports, bolts and
seams, etc. And one with anti-gravity propulsion, no wings, exhaust
ports, no bolts or seams. The latter being enormously superior in every
way and secretly operating since at least WW2. These supposed two
inventories have for some odd reason needed to stay separate with the
superior aircraft hidden away - occasionally confronted by bewildered
pilots and others. These superior craft have been on many mysterious
assignments for decades, possibly supporting the sci-fi vision of alien
visitations, and to irrationally provide a basis for a great evil
conspiracy.

One could lose his head and strangely imagine such a scenario but it'd
be most likely the result of serious mental illness, and/or stupidity
and/or irrationality.

It'd be more rational for those folks to have their aliens reside light
years away - because every smart person knows that if humans can't
traverse such great distances, no other intelligent tool-makers could do
it, either. So, any aliens "out there" reasonably could not be here. No
alien species could top our apex of IQ, knowledge and tech capabilities.

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[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> No, there's plenty of very strong evidence for "anomalous aerial
> vehicles"

No. That's a fantasy.

> AAVs operate with impunity over high security air spaces

Governments test their new technologies on themselves. And because
they are secret the test subjects don't know that they are being tested.

That's all. It is 100% in line with black ops.

> travel
> underwater and our best defense is no deterrent.

The first "Flying Submarine" design was before WWII. There's been
plenty of torpedoes that have been fired as a missile some distance
before plunging under the sea. They can move through the air much
faster than the water, so if you want to attack, say, a submarine from
a distance, sending it through the air until it has to submerge makes
sense.

Of course you know this. It's that troll impulse that makes you say
these things.

> They utterly leave our
> fastest jet fighters in the dust.

Zero evidence for this.

You saw a tic tac. Get over it.

You never witnessed any unworldly abilities. In fact, no photos/video
(film) matches the wild claims.

> By any reasonable mature definition, "UFOs" are unknown flying machines

No. You and all the UFO nutters have always claimed that they are alien
craft.

They've never been unidentified, for you.

> way beyond our known capabilities

No. No evidence for this. And major hostilities towards any discussion on
how to gather evidence -- or falsify the claims.

> and have been confounding us since WW2

No. There have been stories but no evidence.

> The official line

No. You have absolute proof that the government lies. After all, it told
you PERSONALLY that the CIA has no files on the topic, for example,
and then it released gigs worth of files. If you're desperate you can
cherry pick ONE and only ONE of those claims or you can accept that
the opposing claims prove that they lie.

Neither has to be true. They could have kept files AND not released
them... releasing fakes instead.

There's no such evidence. And all discussions on gathering such
evidence, or falsifying the claims, is rejected violently by nutters.





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[docufo]

The Pentagon very likely knows the AAVs are not any human craft. And
it's just a matter of time and circumstance that that very reality will
become known for those willing to accept a secondary evolutionary
position to a group of humanoids much more advanced, intelligent and
resourceful than homo sapiens.

It didn't start in 2004 off California with some Navy pilots and radar
personnel. It began in WW2 with "foo fighters" and to this day, the
fantastic speeds, maneuvers, fuselages and overall capabilities have no
equal - and it's been that way for 75 years.

Rather than strain your brain attempting to exalt homo sapiens to
amazing levels of concealment and conspiracy for decades, keeping
exploiters and spies from getting fucking rich leaking the "secret",
commercializing it and making it an everyday advanced technology we can
all benefit from, it'd be mature and sensible to admit your "theory" is
full of irrationality like you commonly are.

Every great advancement in technology in our history shows nothing
comparable to the decades-long concealment and conspiratorial "concept"
you entertain with zeal - that, the UFOs are secret super aerial craft
humans have been playing with since WWII, and it's just "impossible" to
imagine another humanoid species usurp your vaunting of the tech
capabilities of human technology.

It'd be very socially disruptive for officials to reveal that for
millennia highly superior humanoids, looking like homo sapiens, have
lived among us, and genetically are compatible. One could imagine
widespread anger and fear that "they" have been dumbing down to our
level to stay concealed. Imagine we find out today that some members of
our families, friends and lovers, are those superior beings. And like
gays long ago, played a tricky role of acting like
"normal" folks or heteros, marrying them.

Once the truth is out, it's going to be a rough period of great
adjustment. It'll be that way when humans find out they aren't the only
intelligent tool-makers on this planet. Whether alien visitors came by
and decided to make this earth their home or they simply evolved from
simians here like our species long before we walked upright, the most
important point is that homo sapiens are not alone, and never have been!

And if the Apocalypse plays out, it may be that the battle will be
between those good superior humanoids and their bad apples and humans
that follow them. It's clear their aerial vehicles outclass any of our
known craft.

So,, the good news is that most are friendly and the bad news is that
the ones that are not, will be the likely foes in a future great war
which humanity will not have enough capabilities to fight, let alone win.

God is predicted to "intervene" to stop humans' mass destructiveness but
no details are given as to how He might stop it all. Details missing for
a reason - "they" likely wrote the Bible and other religious tracts,
appearing as gods and angels, or even devils. Reliable military cases
have involved UFOs fooling with our nuke technology at bases,
interfering with our electronics. So, that may be a part of the details
missing in Revelation and elsewhere in the bible.

Look for Jesus to appear exactly like artists' conceptions since artists
could've been influenced telepathically. It'd been a poorly read book,
the bible, had ancient peoples been told there aren't any supernatural
beings, or magical things - just stupid early humans willing to believe
in magical things, as they still are doing today.

You are an ignoramus in search of more ignorance. And it appears you've
succeeded in finding the mother lode.

=!=
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[Steven Douglas]

I am really enjoying the way you mix the Bible into your beliefs
about alien beings living among us. As you know (but other
readers may not, unless they've read some of your other posts
on this topic), Genesis 6 mentions the fallen angels known as
Nephilim, who married human women and conceived babies
with them.

>
> Once the truth is out, it's going to be a rough period of great
> adjustment. It'll be that way when humans find out they aren't the only
> intelligent tool-makers on this planet. Whether alien visitors came by
> and decided to make this earth their home or they simply evolved from
> simians here like our species long before we walked upright, the most
> important point is that homo sapiens are not alone, and never have been!
>
> And if the Apocalypse plays out, it may be that the battle will be
> between those good superior humanoids and their bad apples and humans
> that follow them. It's clear their aerial vehicles outclass any of our
> known craft.

But they don't outclass God's power.

>
> So,, the good news is that most are friendly and the bad news is that
> the ones that are not, will be the likely foes in a future great war
> which humanity will not have enough capabilities to fight, let alone win.

But God will intervene, as you mention just below.

>
> God is predicted to "intervene" to stop humans' mass destructiveness but
> no details are given as to how He might stop it all.

God is all powerful. The fallen angels (aka demons) are also
created beings, just like humans. Whatever power they have,
they do not have God's power.

>
> Details missing for
> a reason - "they" likely wrote the Bible and other religious tracts,
> appearing as gods and angels, or even devils.

No, "they" did not write the Bible. And the details are missing
because they're unnecessary. God is all powerful, and the
demons are not.

>
> Reliable military cases
> have involved UFOs fooling with our nuke technology at bases,
> interfering with our electronics. So, that may be a part of the details
> missing in Revelation and elsewhere in the bible.

All you need to know is that there is no force or power that
is stronger than God's force and power. After all, God created
everything. There is no way He would have given power that
is superior to his own to any of his created beings.

>
> Look for Jesus to appear exactly like artists' conceptions since artists
> could've been influenced telepathically.

It's called being spiritually inspired.

>
> It'd been a poorly read book,
> the bible, had ancient peoples been told there aren't any supernatural
> beings, or magical things - just stupid early humans willing to believe
> in magical things, as they still are doing today.

The Bible is the most widely read book in the history of the
world. And that is as true today as it ever was.

[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> The Pentagon very likely knows

...what you know.

THAT is what all nutters are ultimately claiming: With their near unlimited
resources, the Pentagon, CIA -- governments in general -- know pretty
much everything that UFO nutters know, or nearly caught up.

YOU! KNOW! So if they're not saying what you're saying then they're lying!

The fake atheists take a similar stance where THEY! KNOW! how things
should be, so if they're not that way then an all seeing, all knowing, all
powerful creator God existing outside of time & space can't exist. Because
it would have to agree with them!

Nutters are nutters. Period.

> It didn't start in 2004 off

No. Nutters were fooled by dangling hubcaps starting LONG before that.

It all began in the late 40s when the military lured some pilot to an area
with the promise of wealth oops I meant reward for spotting a crash,
and once there they (the military) used him as part of an experiment...

Decoys, I imagine.

> Every great advancement

There's a reason why nutters are hostile towards any suggests on how
evidence might be collected. To the nutters, that's disagreement and
disagreement can't be tolerated. There's only your truth, and all else is
lies.

I suppose everyone is like that to some degree, but in the case of the
nutters it's disabling...

> It'd be very socially disruptive for officials to

You can read their minds!

You already know everything that they know, and probably more, plus
you can read their minds and attribute motives!

So there's no need to gather evidence. No need for evidence or even
proof when you've already got truth.

> Once the truth is out

This truth that a bunch of children & hillbillies had already established
70 years ago... once it finally gets out... this truth you all figured out
before Ike was President... once it finally escapes the... the... FORCE
FIELD that the, um, THE ALIENS! have surrounded it with. Once that
happens, well, YOU! KNOW!

> And if the Apocalypse plays out

You, the chosen few, the people who can't even manage to pee without
staining your socks yellow; you alone have been entrusted with information
so important, so powerful, so dangerous that it is likely to touch off the
Apocalypse if it falls into the wrong hands. Luckily, it hasn't so far. It has
remained safe all these decades amongst the most special people ever,
the few, the proud, the recipients of anal probings...

> So,, the good news is

Christian fundamentalists start off the same way: "Have you heard the
good news? Christ has died for your sins! Providing you're not a homo or
a liberal or nothing, but isn't that good news?"

> God is predicted to

Well *You* *Know* that the angels are just aliens, but they are coming
to save the polar bears and stop nuclear proliferation & Trump.

> You

Yeah, all my fault. All of it. I sneezed and that's why the entirety of UFO
nutterness from 1947 to the present has failed.





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[docufo]

Oh, shit, I should be firmly believing, like yourself, that all the
military and commercial pilots, among other more reliable observers, and
all the chain of military command, Navy, AF and Army, the Pentagon's top
brass, are all in collusion to keep fooling the public about the real
origin and nature of UFOs/UAP/AVV!

And you KNOW that real origin and nature is: (1)human, (2)highly
advanced aircraft. And that from time to time, some of that secret craft
are deliberately exposed to public view - why? - well, you said it:
support the popularity of the sci-fi notion of ETs visiting! (Which you
KNOW isn't happening). And why? Well, you know, you said it: to act as a
shroud to hide secretive highly advanced aerial craft - and, to play
their part in bringing on an evil dystopian world of fascism!

And the mass medias, social and mainstream, are all fucking dupes for
believing in ET existence among us, or that it ever was here, and they,
and their countless millions of media-mesmerized followers, are
basically stupid and immature folks, getting pulled into a vast evil
conspiracy of elitists sucking them dry to the bone!

LOLol! LOL!

Well, goddamnit Johnny Rottenseed, YOU KNOW! WE DON'T! But, like with
Steven's sermons, all we stupid childish people need to do is be
educated, preferably by your "knowledge" and "truth."

Hot diggity DOG!!! Hey, Granny! Your Jethro's a real genius!

@y=
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[docufo]

I've never said or even suggested that the hypothesized first set of
highly evolved humanoids - alien or terrestrially sourced - are anything
but another group of mortals, a species like ourselves, of flesh and blood.

And if they chose to be deceptive and worshiped in times past, or wish
to reinforce humans' worship of them as gods now or in the future, it
has to do mostly with a cultural assimilation/infiltration that hides
their presence for reasons of security for their families, their positions.

The forces that created the Universe will still continue to be regarded
as godly by many believers of various belief systems after the "aliens"
are fully revealed (the word "apocalypse" meaning "that which is
revealed" as does, of course, the word, "revelation"). Something new and
wondrous is expected to be revealed to all of humanity. And if the
"aliens" helped author the bible, that revelation may be the exposure of
their presence and participation, both the good and bad ones.

As you well know, as do most Christians, Armageddon and presumably all
warring during the end-times period is a "final" battle between the good
and bad humans on Earth and the ethereal evil and good powers in the
"heavens" above.

The Nephilim are said to have been the "sons of God" descending from the
skies to procreate with earth's females. And they were much larger -
"giants" - but appearing otherwise as normal humans, and obviously DNA
compatible.

If the Nephilim were genetically superior, one might expect they'd
impart some of their physical, intellectual and other qualities into the
females' babies. That would explain "genetic mutations" like prodigal
offspring, kiddies having extraordinary talents and IQ. And explain why
10-12 ft. 'giants' in humanity still exist today.

That would likely mean that humans today carry a Nephilim gene or two in
their DNA. Or a bit of the "sons of god."

How does it feel to have a little godly-son power in your DNA?

~!=
V

[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> Oh, shit, I should be firmly believing, like yourself, that all the
> military and commercial pilots, among other more reliable observers, and
> all the chain of

Dude, the human brain simply does not function the way you need it to, in
order to have a point.

The whole point of secret military tests is to leave their subjects not knowing
what they saw, or believing they saw something else.

Psychologically, the power of suggestion is overwhelming. Once ideas "Enter
the ether," so to speak, all bets are off. This is why "Sightings" are cultural. Why
dragons are common HERE and witches THERE and UFOs are popular in the
Pacific Northwest.

It's not because the people seeing angels or dragons are seeing unmistakable
examples of technology (as opposed to what appears to be a biological
entity), it's because they're no more seeing a biology than you are seeing
technology.

Get it?

A living thing -- and angels are supposed to at least appear as biological
entities, even if they are ultimately supposed to be divine -- doesn't look like
technology. Nobody would have been seeing "Craft" if they were dragon,
nobody would be seeing dragons if they were craft.

Huge hint. MASSIVE hint. Right there.

The human brain "Fills in the blanks." All the time. It is how it functions. It
is why you haven't spent your entire life collapsed in a ball, overwhelmed
by all the sensory inputs. And sometimes it really does get all weird on us,
picks some pretty outrageous things to fill in those blanks with.

This is the problem with eyewitnesses. They don't know that there's something
that they need to be looking at, paying attention to. So it was off in their
peripheral somewhere... one of the blanks your brain is "Filling in," and then
SUDDENLY it seizes your attention and you look. And you see it. And you see
what your brain was filling in.

> And you KNOW that real origin and nature is:

Again, just like in the post you are replying to, I've got to remind you that you
have never ever established that there's anything to explain, anything whose
"Origins" we have to figure out.

Step-1 is establishing that the phenomenon exists to the satisfaction of
scientific standards.

There's lots of ways this might be done, but this first step will never be taken
when the only people who say they care are too busy with their dogma to
realize that not everyone is a member of their religion.

> And the mass medias, social and mainstream, are all fucking dupes

Unless they're confirming a bias you hold. Consistency would help. Look it
up.




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[docufo]

Jethro, the missing dimension in any of your relentless ufology/UFO
"analyses" is you haven't had a remarkable paranormal experience. And by
"remarkable" I mean precisely that your alleged paranormal experiences
you've labeled as being real ones, are far too easily explainable
rationally or scientifically. Your "levitation" experience as a child
has been explained as a combo of psychological setting, physics and
physiological phenomena.

You balked at that explanation, insisting it wasn't applicable to your
experience.

LOL! If you'd been there June 26, 1967, where Miles and I were that
early morning, and seen what I saw and heard, you'd be insisting the
Sasquatch is not an hallucination, self-deception or your brain "filling
in the blanks" via your bias.

Instead, you'd be giddy and jumping in and out of this forum exclaiming
"Bigfoot is real! Sasquatches exist!" And get pissed at anyone who
doubted you.

A remarkable quite inexplicable paranormal incident can easily change
your entire perspective, and allow you to accept what you previously
dismissed or doubted.

If it's not what we think it is, that's okay with me. If it isn't
aliens, or terrestrial super humanoids, then whatever it is, it's as
real as you or me, and it's still actually happening as it's been for
millennia - the paranormal - and millions of experiencers have no doubt
they experienced something just as real as your turbo tickler.

@y=
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[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> you haven't had a remarkable paranormal experience.

Neither have you. You made things out to be significant.

This is why you are so protective. You don't want anyone to
dispel your "Experience."

> Your "levitation" experience as a child
> has been explained

No it isn't. And that's typical of a narcissist, trying to knock down
anything they can't control.

> You balked at that explanation

I addressed it point by point, and even posted the URL to a
Youtube video which falsified the claims, YOUR claims. It
claimed that it worked because there was greater cooperation
on the second attempt, and I specifically posted a youtube
video with ZERO coordination!

Boom. Done.

What was another argument? That people were merely exaggerating
the height of the levitation? I would have guessed that even the likes
of you would realize that was an admission that it does indeed work!
But apparently I gave you too much credit, failed to take your disorder
into account... narcissist.

Glad we had this talk. 'Night!





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[docufo]

You've just provided, personally, proof of the power of suggestion and
the influence of bias. But there are other contributing factors in your
claims: egotism and immaturity. And anthropocentrism. Sprinkle in some
OCD and voila!

I'd bet you'll get bored as hell again, soon, and relate to this forum
another one of your "strange experiences" you suggest might be something
paranormal.

You don't really need a real-life paranormal experience, on second
thought, since you create your own at will.

At least, it's "paranormal" to you.

LOL!

6|6
^

[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> You've just provided, personally, proof of the power of suggestion and
> the influence of bias. But t

I pointed out that I addressed your "explanation" point by point. That I
refuted it with a video of the actual phenomenon which demonstrated
that the explanation wasn't true. I pointed out that it contradicted
itself.

I did what you nutters never do: I faced the claims head on, determined
what I needed to prove or refute them (an actual video of the levitation)
and demonstrated that your "Explanation" was full of shit.

And you are a troll.



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[docufo]

On 4/17/2022 10:44 PM, JTEM is Magic wrote:
>
> docufo wrote:
>
>> You've just provided, personally, proof of the power of suggestion and
>> the influence of bias. But t
>
> I pointed out that I addressed your "explanation" point by point. That I
> refuted it with a video of the actual phenomenon which demonstrated
> that the explanation wasn't true. I pointed out that it contradicted
> itself.
>
> I did what you nutters never do: I faced the claims

You're a laugh riot! LOL! "...nutters..." Oh, well, you've given a
trustworthy example of not being biased on the UFO subject.

You're the nutter. You attempted to enhance your levitation experience
by adding on your sensing a strange coolness that suddenly enveloped the
group.

With your various "strange experiences" you relate regularly here,
suggesting they're paranormal or time-dimension phenomena, you've
learned to add some psycho-dramatic sprinkles.

You appear to be man desperate for a more involved experience that's as
compelling as the cases you ironically enjoy ridiculing, dismissing or
marginalizing.

You reject a rational explanation: (quote)

There are three answers — timing, poor memory, and the natural
underestimated strength of your fingers.

First, the timing. There are lots of videos of this Finger Lift on
YouTube. One of them claims that "it's an old Romanian trick", while
others have Chinese or Africans doing it.

But they all have the timing in common. For the first doomed attempt to
lift the subject, there was no effort to get everybody to do the lift at
the same instant. In fact, there was deliberate vague misdirection,
along the lines of "so go ahead try to lift".

And in all of the videos on YouTube, you can see that the lifters are
very much out of time with each other.

That means that for the brief instant each person is trying to lift the
subject by themselves, they are fruitlessly trying to lift the entire
50–80kg weight of the subject on one (or two) fingers.

But for the second successful attempt, the timing is very precise.

The purpose of the chanting of the numbers, or the prayer, or song is
not to Unleash the Power Within — it's really to synchronise the four
potential lifters into one single lifting unit.

And there is usually a countdown to the final lift. So all four lift as
one, and so each one has to lift only 12–20kg with the chosen finger or
fingers.

The second factor is the very fallible human memory. Every person who
has described this to me has described the strange mystical power that
gave them the ability to not only lift the subject into the air, but
also, to effortlessly hold them there.

But every time I have seen it done, the lifters just barely lifted the
subject, and could not hold them there, and in fact, almost dropped them
in their haste to get them down to the ground again.

And that is what you will see on YouTube.

And the third and last factor is that your fingers are actually very
strong. Louis Cyr, the old-time French Canadian strongman (1863–1912)
could lift 553lb (250.2kg) with a single finger (his right middle).

The old-time American strongman of the early 1900s, Warren Lincoln
Travis, lifted 560lb (254kg) on his 50th birthday with a single finger.

The Finger Lift party trick has made it into popular culture with
appearances in South Park (the "Marjorine" episode) and the film, The
Craft. In each case, it was associated with exotic witchcraft, not
prosaic timing

These simple explanations are really giving the finger to the myth.

https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/05/27/2257305.htm

https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/has-light-as-feather-stiff-as-board-ever-worked.htm

https://lithub.com/the-secret-history-of-light-as-a-feather-stiff-as-a-board/

Don't like any of that? Here's a personal experience recounted: (quote)

I can clearly remember my turn to float (or levitate) into the air. My
sister’s friend was at my head, while the other five girls sat on either
side of me, spaced out evenly beside my torso and legs.
The girl at my head rubbed my temples as she told a short, scary story.
I’m not sure the exact details of the story, but I died at the end. Then
I became a ghost. (You always have to die and become a ghost in the
story). She then instructed me to feel each part of my body becoming
lighter and lighter — until I eventually felt so light, that I could float.
It was honestly pretty relaxing. Like meditative yoga for the occult of
teen girls. Instead of giggling our way through it like we usually do,
we all managed to keep a straight face.
When it came time for the “light as a feather, stiff as a board”
incantation, which we’d repeat out loud around the circle, one at a
time, the girls were able to lift me the highest I’d ever been with
nothing more than their index and middle fingers placed at my shoulders,
arms, hips, and legs. I made it a couple feet, at least, before they
gently lowered me back down.
We didn’t break into fits of laughter until after I was safely on the
floor. It was a new record for the younger group of girls, and we were
in awe of our success.
Clearly, having older and wiser friends who were far more practiced at
the game was the way to go. With more structured guidance, the group was
able to coordinate the timing and the distribution of weight so that
lifting me really felt as easy as lifting a feather.
That’s the key — equal weight distribution among the group at the exact
same moment. It’s not actually the magic spell that makes you “light as
a feather,” it’s teamwork. (It’d make a great game for any work retreat
— sure beats the trust fall).
It’s simple physics.
Except for one other time, which happened not long after that. That
time, I shit you not, I played Light as a Feather — and it worked. For
real. Like, supernaturally real.

https://medium.com/moments-of-passion/i-played-light-as-a-feather-stiff-as-a-board-and-it-worked-43cb3e6a30d3

No doubt "it works" but not by paranormal means but basic physics -
timing,, weight distribution, psychological conditioning and the
unexpected strength of two fingers synchronized with the lifters.

So, obsessed and upset, limp off to your Ouija board, and with a
partner, place your and his one finger on the planchette and ask the
spirits for evidence the levitation is a true paranormal phenomenon, to
which your autonomic system and subconscious will tersely reply,
"It's like you, it's full of shit."

@y@
v

[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> You're a laugh riot! LOL! "...nutters..."

My bad?

Well, hey, if you guys were nutters that "UFO" thing you've been
peeing yourselves over would have dragged out for YEARS!
Maybe even a whole decade.

> You attempted to enhance your levitation experience
> by adding on your sensing a strange coolness

This might be an effective "Argument" if you hadn't agreed with
me, experienced the same thing BY YOUR OWN CONFESSION.

...quite a nutter move, entrapping yourself like that.




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[Steven Douglas]

Yes, I understand that that's your opinion.

>
> And if they chose to be deceptive and worshiped in times past, or wish
> to reinforce humans' worship of them as gods now or in the future, it
> has to do mostly with a cultural assimilation/infiltration that hides
> their presence for reasons of security for their families, their positions.
>
> The forces that created the Universe will still continue to be regarded
> as godly by many believers of various belief systems after the "aliens"
> are fully revealed (the word "apocalypse" meaning "that which is
> revealed" as does, of course, the word, "revelation"). Something new and
> wondrous is expected to be revealed to all of humanity. And if the
> "aliens" helped author the bible,

No, I doubt God would have allowed that.

>
> that revelation may be the exposure of
> their presence and participation, both the good and bad ones.

Well, they certainly want you to believe in UFOs, which is why
they have been preparing the world for what will happen when
millions of Christians are taken out of the world. Their ready
excuse will be that UFOs did it.

>
> As you well know, as do most Christians, Armageddon and presumably all
> warring during the end-times period is a "final" battle between the good
> and bad humans on Earth and the ethereal evil and good powers in the
> "heavens" above.

Yes, and the evil powers will not want you to believe that the
absent Christians were taken by Jesus. They will want you to
believe that UFOs took them.

>
> The Nephilim are said to have been the "sons of God" descending from the
> skies to procreate with earth's females.

Yes, that's from the Bible. It makes me happy when you cite
the Bible correctly.

>
> And they were much larger -
> "giants" - but appearing otherwise as normal humans, and obviously DNA
> compatible.
>
> If the Nephilim were genetically superior, one might expect they'd
> impart some of their physical, intellectual and other qualities into the
> females' babies. That would explain "genetic mutations" like prodigal
> offspring, kiddies having extraordinary talents and IQ. And explain why
> 10-12 ft. 'giants' in humanity still exist today.

Well, I don't believe anyone is quite that tall today.

>
> That would likely mean that humans today carry a Nephilim gene or two in
> their DNA. Or a bit of the "sons of god."
>
> How does it feel to have a little godly-son power in your DNA?

It would be such a trivial amount that it doesn't really matter. But
I'm very happy to see you citing the Bible and believing it.

[Steven Douglas]

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:13:46 AM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
>
> Yeah, all my fault. All of it. I sneezed and that's why the entirety of UFO
> nutterness from 1947 to the present has failed.

Failed? It has succeeded tremendously. They have more people
than ever ready to believe that UFOs will have abducted the many
millions of Christians who will be taken from this world when
Jesus returns.

[docufo]

It looks like nearly 9 ft. is the tallest man recorded. Fossil remains
indicate nothing beyond 9 ft. Still, aside a 5-6 ft. man or woman, most
would think such tallness qualifies for the label, "giant." Certain
biblical icons, like Noah, may have been giant sized. And if that is
true, they could've been members of a super-human race predating homo
sapiens. Some of the Flood era icons of the bible are hypothesized as
being much taller than modern giants. Noah may have been 12 feet tall.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/tallest-man-ever

But scholars generally agree that iconic biblical figures were very
tall. As Earth's gravity was thought to be less eons ago, much larger
animals (and insects) existed. It'd be expected humanoids were affected
similarly in their evolution. If, as I said, an earlier humanoid species
evolved on Earth, it could have been the "Nephilim" or Nephilites. And
that would mean they came from the sky, but not necessarily from beyond
Earth.

And assumed the exalted positions of gods and angels, exploiting
people's ignorance and superstitions, helping create cults and
religions, propagating the concept that a great ethereal world coexists
on Earth of superior entities that have great powers. And Man is to be
in subjugation to them, while those godly entities influenced leaders,
as well, convincing them to do some of their work.

@y=
v

[docufo]

On 4/18/2022 4:59 PM, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> docufo wrote:
>
>> You're a laugh riot! LOL! "...nutters..."
>
> My bad?
>
> Well, hey, if you guys were nutters that "UFO" thing you've been
> peeing yourselves over would have dragged out for YEARS!
> Maybe even a whole decade.
>
>> You attempted to enhance your levitation experience
>> by adding on your sensing a strange coolness
>
> This might be an effective "Argument" if you hadn't agreed with
> me, experienced the same thing BY YOUR OWN CONFESSION.
>
> ...quite a nutter move, entrapping yourself like that.
>

And what "confession" did I make that included my referencing any
paranormal experience as having a "strange coolness" envelop me??

Incidentally, you didn't mention the coolness phenomenon when you first
posted your childhood experience. After I grilled you on it, you added
it on.

LOL!

No, the "nutter" in you has come up with an reactionary ego-defense
behavior that undermines your readers' confidence in your claims, if not
your sanity.

Your show's not worth the ticket!

@)=
v

[JTEM is Magic]

, docufo wrote:

> And what "confession"

Wait a minute. You're pretending that "Colds spots" aren't associated with the
paranormal now?

Wow. You'll sink to any depths, no matter how rancid the waters, in order to
troll.

Yeah, typical narcissist.





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[docufo]

On 4/19/2022 2:03 PM, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> , docufo wrote:
>
>> And what "confession"
>
> Wait a minute. You're pretending that "Colds spots" aren't associated with the
> paranormal now?
>
> Wow. You'll sink to any depths, no matter how rancid the waters, in order to
> troll.
>
> Yeah, typical narcissist.
>

You've compounded your extreme narcissism with nihilism. The combo could
be analogous to stuffing your face with high calorie, high sugar, no
protein, high salt fatty junk foods, and adding on a devil-may-care
attitude that echoes in your brain: "It's all not what it appears, life
is full of trickery, lies and false flags. The only reality is what I
make of the fucking mess and dare anyone even suggest I'm off the rails.
Therefore, I eat lots of junky foods because it's actually good for
people. They lie about that, too. I know the truth that most people
hypnotized by the mass media and government will never 'get.' Hahahaha!
They're ants trapped in a colony, bees in a hive every day.
Hahahahahaaaa!"

Nihilism
Nihilism (/ˈnaɪ(h)ɪlɪzəm, ˈniː-/; from Latin nihil 'nothing', and
English -ism) is a philosophy, or family of views within philosophy,
that rejects generally accepted or fundamental aspects of human
existence, such as objective truth, knowledge, morality, values or
meaning. Different nihilist positions hold variously that human values
are baseless, that life is meaningless, that knowledge is impossible, or
that some set of entities do not exist or are meaningless or pointless.

Couple the above distracting "philosophies" with an enormous egotism
that joyfully, constantly toots methane clouds outta' your ass, and
you've completed all the essential prerequisites for being a Grade AAA
asshole.

@Y@
V

[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> > Yeah, typical narcissist.

> You've compounded

Your "Scientific" explanation of the levitation thing was debunked instantly.
You never even agreed with it! Yet here you are... what is this? Seven fucking
years later? Spewing the exact same troll?

It's not clever. It really isn't.





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[Steven Douglas]

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:48:43 AM UTC-7, docufo wrote:
> On 4/18/2022 5:16 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-7, docufo wrote:
>
> >> The Nephilim are said to have been the "sons of God" descending from the
> >> skies to procreate with earth's females.
> >
> > Yes, that's from the Bible. It makes me happy when you cite
> > the Bible correctly.
> >>
> >> And they were much larger -
> >> "giants" - but appearing otherwise as normal humans, and obviously DNA
> >> compatible.
> >>
> >> If the Nephilim were genetically superior, one might expect they'd
> >> impart some of their physical, intellectual and other qualities into the
> >> females' babies. That would explain "genetic mutations" like prodigal
> >> offspring, kiddies having extraordinary talents and IQ. And explain why
> >> 10-12 ft. 'giants' in humanity still exist today.
> >
> > Well, I don't believe anyone is quite that tall today.
>
> It looks like nearly 9 ft. is the tallest man recorded. Fossil remains
> indicate nothing beyond 9 ft. Still, aside a 5-6 ft. man or woman, most
> would think such tallness qualifies for the label, "giant." Certain
> biblical icons, like Noah, may have been giant sized. And if that is
> true, they could've been members of a super-human race predating homo
> sapiens. Some of the Flood era icons of the bible are hypothesized as
> being much taller than modern giants. Noah may have been 12 feet tall.

Noah was not Nephilim. The whole reason for the flood was to get
rid of the Nephilim, along with the corruption of God's creation. Noah
was considered by God to be a righteous man.
>
> https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/tallest-man-ever

Thank you. I always enjoy when I tell you something you've said
is not accurate, and you come back and show me the research
you did to correct your error.

>
> But scholars generally agree that iconic biblical figures were very
> tall. As Earth's gravity was thought to be less eons ago, much larger
> animals (and insects) existed. It'd be expected humanoids were affected
> similarly in their evolution.

Earth's gravity was not less within the time humans have existed.
That thing about gravity being less was tens of MILLIONS of years
ago.

>
> If, as I said, an earlier humanoid species
> evolved on Earth, it could have been the "Nephilim" or Nephilites. And
> that would mean they came from the sky, but not necessarily from beyond
> Earth.

There you go, mixing in your own unsubstantiated theories with
the Bible.

>
> And assumed the exalted positions of gods and angels, exploiting
> people's ignorance and superstitions, helping create cults and
> religions, propagating the concept that a great ethereal world coexists
> on Earth of superior entities that have great powers. And Man is to be
> in subjugation to them, while those godly entities influenced leaders,
> as well, convincing them to do some of their work.

You have a very vivid imagination, don't you?

[docufo]

In contradiction to yourself, who's always tediously attempting to deny
you made any mistake, and argue endlessly in threads to convince
yourself that grinding it down into distractions and personal affronts
the best way to obscure any memory of your original screw up. It never
works, of course.

>>
>> But scholars generally agree that iconic biblical figures were very
>> tall. As Earth's gravity was thought to be less eons ago, much larger
>> animals (and insects) existed. It'd be expected humanoids were affected
>> similarly in their evolution.
>
> Earth's gravity was not less within the time humans have existed.
> That thing about gravity being less was tens of MILLIONS of years
> ago.

Well, then, they came from a planet with less gravity. A terrestrially
created humanoid species of great size is in synch with the hugeness of
prehistoric creations. It doesn't follow that such synchronization
proves the Nephilim were born and raised here, but if the Nephilim
actually existed as described, then they were DNA compatible with our
species. It'd be more unlikely that'd work if they came from another world.

There are MILLIONS of years of a friendly environment on Earth for the
creation of other humanoids like ourselves, originating from simians.

The bible, if it is to be believed as truth, states clearly that two
sets of humanoids were here very early, and one was thought to be the
"sons of god." Giants that impregnated standard-sized human females.

That'd likely produce until this very day, occasional "giants" but of
lesser size.

>>
>> If, as I said, an earlier humanoid species
>> evolved on Earth, it could have been the "Nephilim" or Nephilites. And
>> that would mean they came from the sky, but not necessarily from beyond
>> Earth.
>
> There you go, mixing in your own unsubstantiated theories with
> the Bible.
>>
>> And assumed the exalted positions of gods and angels, exploiting
>> people's ignorance and superstitions, helping create cults and
>> religions, propagating the concept that a great ethereal world coexists
>> on Earth of superior entities that have great powers. And Man is to be
>> in subjugation to them, while those godly entities influenced leaders,
>> as well, convincing them to do some of their work.
>
> You have a very vivid imagination, don't you?

Man is not in subjugation to gods of our current historical period then?

And of course your belief is as good as science!

How can 'his' creation not be in subjugation after one reads the OT?
We're harshly, savagely punished en masse for being rebellious and/or
are so evil we're beyond redemption!

The NT cut another narrative, however. Less emphasis on the brutal
actions of an angry, jealous and murderous god. More emphasis on how the
distant future will come down as the Apocalypse and fulfilling a promise
of a nirvana under Jesus for 1000 years. It cannot be altered or
stopped, leaving all the good works of humanity for improvement in the
dust. It must be a magical revolution.

#y@
~

[docufo]

On 4/19/2022 9:38 PM, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> docufo wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, typical narcissist.
>
>> You've compounded
>
> Your "Scientific" explanation of the levitation thing was debunked instantly.
> You never even agreed with it! Yet here you are... what is this? Seven fucking
> years later? Spewing the exact same troll?
>
> It's not clever. It really isn't.
>

The levitation stunt's become your recurrent pathetic claim of a "real
paranormal" experience only because you've not experienced anything
remotely near the dynamics of interaction many paranormal experiencers
have reported, which ironically you castigate for not having any
"scientific" investigation of their claims.

There's been no credible scientific investigation of the "two finger
levitation" and, hence, you're shooting blanks back at your critics. The
opinions from scientists or those in journalism are not investigations.
I reiterate that scientists have not put the stunt to any instrumental
testing, nor applied the standard methodology - strangely, despite
scattered reports of attendant odd phenomena, like a "coolness"
enveloping participants. However, the primary explanation offered makes
simple common rational sense. Participants have variously described the
experience as explainable and inexplicable.

You need to have a Sasquatch just like the one I saw years ago, jump on
top of you and give you a good butt fucking until you scream "momma mia!"

That intense experience should finally convince you of the reality of
the paranormal. Pray for a romantic evening with Bigfoot to make it all
real to you.

@Y@
v

[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> The levitation stunt's become your recurrent pathetic claim

My claim? You said you've done it before!

> a "real paranormal" experience

So you lied? You never did it? You never even watched the video that
totally debunked you?

Hmm.

Or are you... well... are you in a... a "State" right now? Meaning, yes
you have done it, you have witnessed it but it's not real to you, because
something that exists only in your head is more real?

Hmm.

I should thank you. After all, you really make me look good. If I want to
look smart or articulate or conscious of my surroundings, I need only
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[Steven Douglas]

Give an example. I'm not saying I've never made a mistake, I just
want to know so I can correct it it you can show my mistake. This
is open for anyone who wants to give an example. Thank you.

>
> >> But scholars generally agree that iconic biblical figures were very
> >> tall. As Earth's gravity was thought to be less eons ago, much larger
> >> animals (and insects) existed. It'd be expected humanoids were affected
> >> similarly in their evolution.
> >
> > Earth's gravity was not less within the time humans have existed.
> > That thing about gravity being less was tens of MILLIONS of years
> > ago.
>
> Well, then, they came from a planet with less gravity.

No, they did not come from another planet. They were the
offspring of fallen angels (called "sons of God" in the Bible)
who mated with human women (called "daughters of men"
in the Bible).

>
> A terrestrially
> created humanoid species of great size is in synch with the hugeness of
> prehistoric creations. It doesn't follow that such synchronization
> proves the Nephilim were born and raised here,

They were, if you read the Bible correctly.

>
> but if the Nephilim
> actually existed as described, then they were DNA compatible with our
> species. It'd be more unlikely that'd work if they came from another world.

It's so interesting the way you insist on believing in aliens from
another world, but you have such great difficulty believing the
Bible is the actual truth.

>
> There are MILLIONS of years of a friendly environment on Earth for the
> creation of other humanoids like ourselves, originating from simians.

Where are they in the fossil record?

>
> The bible, if it is to be believed as truth, states clearly that two
> sets of humanoids were here very early, and one was thought to be the
> "sons of god." Giants that impregnated standard-sized human females.

The offspring of the "sons of God" (fallen angels) were the Nephilim.

>
> That'd likely produce until this very day, occasional "giants" but of
> lesser size.

We actually don't know how big the Nephilim were. But most
of them were removed from the world by the flood. There is
mention that some returned to the world after the flood. So
who knows, maybe there is some of their DNA still alive and
living in some of us.

>
> >> If, as I said, an earlier humanoid species
> >> evolved on Earth, it could have been the "Nephilim" or Nephilites. And
> >> that would mean they came from the sky, but not necessarily from beyond
> >> Earth.
> >
> > There you go, mixing in your own unsubstantiated theories with
> > the Bible.
> >>
> >> And assumed the exalted positions of gods and angels, exploiting
> >> people's ignorance and superstitions, helping create cults and
> >> religions, propagating the concept that a great ethereal world coexists
> >> on Earth of superior entities that have great powers. And Man is to be
> >> in subjugation to them, while those godly entities influenced leaders,
> >> as well, convincing them to do some of their work.
> >
> > You have a very vivid imagination, don't you?
>
> Man is not in subjugation to gods of our current historical period then?

Only to God.

>
> And of course your belief is as good as science!

My belief is based on the Bible, while yours is based on your
imagination.

>
> How can 'his' creation not be in subjugation after one reads the OT?
> We're harshly, savagely punished en masse for being rebellious and/or
> are so evil we're beyond redemption!

Who knows how bad it was in the days of Noah? I think our
world is getting that way again.

>
> The NT cut another narrative, however. Less emphasis on the brutal
> actions of an angry, jealous and murderous god. More emphasis on how the
> distant future will come down as the Apocalypse and fulfilling a promise
> of a nirvana under Jesus for 1000 years. It cannot be altered or
> stopped, leaving all the good works of humanity for improvement in the
> dust.

The good works are being buried by the evil. It's not getting better,
just in case you haven't noticed.

[docufo]

Aaahh, so I am, in your view, terribly misled because I don't believe in
the stereotypical popularized concept of God's glowing white (humanoid)
angels, some with blue eyes, golden hair and wings, fluttering around?
Others seen as various other glowing shapes, colors (and sizes) floating
about. In fact, the angel encounters are amazingly similar to UFO/alien
encounters. But, you'd not want to think on that fact too much. It might
compel you to think beyond the box.

In 1991 author Keith Thompson wrote a most illuminating book, "Angels
And Aliens" which drew many startling parallels between UFO/alien
visitations and those of angelic entities.

Let me educate your narrow mind: (quote)

“The image of angels as intermediaries between God and humanity,”
Thompson wrote, “has its roots in pre-Christian ideas about ‘daemons’
and the ‘daemonic world.’ Plutarch, in his essay ‘On the Cessation of
Oracles,’ speaks of ‘a family of Daemons, intermediate between gods and
men, and after a certain fashion bringing thought together and uniting
in one the society of both.’ In Plato’s ‘Symposium,’ Diotima describes
Eros as ‘a great spirit [daemon] and like all spirits he is intermediate
between the divine and the mortal.’ Eros ‘interprets between gods and
men . . . he is the mediator who spans the chasm which divides them, and
therefore in him all is bound together, and through him the arts of the
prophet and the priest, their sacrifices and charms, and all prophecy
and incantation, find their way.’ Diotima concluded: ‘These spirits or
intermediate powers are many and diverse . . . .’”

According to Thompson, the understanding of “daemon” shifted to mean
“evil spirit” after the advent of Christianity.

“It is crucial to note,” he adds, “that prior to Christianity’s
‘demonization’ of the daemonic world, daemons did not have an exclusive
evil coloring. Writes Angus Fletcher: ‘Very early in history the term
demon had a religious and spiritual signification, and referred to the
other-world.’ In pagan antiquity, ‘demon’ (interchangeable with daemon
or daimon) was used in a threefold sense: ‘for gods, for intermediaries,
and for the souls of the dead without any direct connection with
intermediaries,’ Fletcher notes. Thus we begin to glimpse common ground
between the modern imagination of aliens and the traditional imagination
of angels and daemons.”

“In the last several decades,” they begin, “a number of experienced UFO
researchers have drawn parallels between the nature of angels, demons
and the UFO occupants. Indeed, some-including Jacques Vallee, John Keel,
and others-have even suggested that our alien visitors may indeed by
fallen angels or demons themselves. To determine whether aliens are part
of the angelic or demonic realm, we must first examine some of the
attributes of angels and demons.

“It is commonly believed,” they continue, “that fallen angels and demons
are one and the same. In fact, they are frequently used as synonyms in
the Judeo-Christian literature of the last several hundred years.
However, it turns out that the ancient rabbis and the Early Church
fathers believed that they were separate and distinct entities. When we
examine the Biblical record, we see that the attributes and activities
of angels and demons are different. Angels (literally ‘messengers’) are
creations of God that have their own physical bodies. They are able to
manifest in time and space, and when they do they are usually confused
with men!

“For example, when God and the two angels appeared to Abraham in the
‘terebinths’ of Mamre in Genesis 18, they are described as having the
appearance of men. In fact, they were so convincingly human that the
homosexuals of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have intercourse with them.
It is unlikely that that the men of Sodom would have been sexually
interested in the angels had they been semi-transparent, glowing
apparitions with wings and halos!

“In the New Testament, two angels who were confused with men were at the
empty tomb of Jesus after the resurrection. Luke the Apostle stated,
‘And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold,
two men stood by them in shining garments’ (Luke 24:4). After Jesus
ascended into heaven, the disciples looked on. ‘And while they
steadfastly looked toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by
them in white apparel’ (Acts 1:10). These ‘two men’ were angels with
physical bodies who advised the disciples that Jesus would return ‘in
like manner.’”

https://anomalien.com/angels-and-aliens-is-there-a-heavenly-relationship/

In modern times, UFO aliens were commonly seen as much like humans but
then the 4-ft. reptilian-like 'aliens' became more commonly reported and
today, it's fairly rare to have witnesses describing aliens as like
typical humans. And that helps support my argument that the superior
humanoid species has a powerful counterpart, the "bad aliens"
(reptilian) are in an eternal struggle with the "good" humanoid aliens.
The countless "medical exams" reported by abductees could be a form of
torture and sadism that the reptilian aliens enjoy, and often including
sexual violation in the form of "exams." (An altered version of this
hypothesis identifies the reptilian aliens as actually androids that
hide their creator's humanoid appearance - which is the same as the
"good" aliens and our species).

I propose that "angels" might be today's "aliens" but may well have a
terrestrial origin, not necessarily exclusively extraterrestrial.
Whether ET or terrestrial, angels and aliens still appear today, and
even many ghost encounters are similar. Thompson reasoned that there
might exist a common link between angels and aliens (but ignoring the
ghosts), and that both phenomenons have a very uplifting, stimulating
effect physiologically that encourages experiencers to widen their
paradigm of "reality" beyond status quo.

A certain level of enlightenment sets in and many never see "reality"
the same way again. And that is basically a good development.

@y=
V

[docufo]

On 4/24/2022 12:47 PM, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> docufo wrote:
>
>> The levitation stunt's become your recurrent pathetic claim
>
> My claim? You said you've done it before!
>
>> a "real paranormal" experience
>
> So you lied? You never did it? You never even watched the video that
> totally debunked you?
>
> Hmm.

Yes, hmmmm. Just a video from any source has you believing what it shows
is real? Egads!

If that's all you require, you should readily accept that anyone can
"prove" their claim with extraordinary ease!

Hot diggity dog!

@y~
V

[JTEM is Magic]

docufo wrote:

> Yes, hmmmm. Just a video from any source

You do know you're talking about something that we both witnessed, both did in
real life. And you tossed that all aside -- your actual life experiences, all the many
past exchanges we had on the topic -- just to say something stupid.

Why?

Do you collect points good towards the purchase of laxatives with every troll?

Do the Martians probe your bum a little less if you troll?

Why do you do behave this way?

Rhetorical questions. I d not believe that you know.





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[docufo]

On 4/25/2022 7:06 AM, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> docufo wrote:
>
>> Yes, hmmmm. Just a video from any source
>
> You do know you're talking about something that we both witnessed, both did in
> real life. And you tossed that all aside -- your actual life experiences, all the many
> past exchanges we had on the topic -- just to say something stupid.

Eehh, I've never witnessed any fingered levitation, ever. I've never
said that I did. It's the methane, dummy. Get more oxygen in your walnut.

@y=
o

[Steven Douglas]

Apparently you have missed my suggestions that the entire UFO
phenomenon has been put in place by demons who will want to
discredit the idea that Jesus is the reason there will be so many
missing Christians when Jesus returns to take us out of this world.

Here is something I wrote just three weeks ago, in response to
something you wrote:

[quoting myself] Yes, that is interesting to note. What is also
interesting to me is the way some of our "leaders" are preparing
all of us for the time when a lot of Christians will be taken out of
this world, just as the Antichrist is being unveiled.

My theory (and it's not just mine) is that the Antichrist and his
minions will tell the world that all those Christians were taken
away by aliens. [end quote]

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/c/3Prl7ibV-l8/m/66dBt-O8GgAJ

>
> In 1991 author Keith Thompson wrote a most illuminating book, "Angels
> And Aliens" which drew many startling parallels between UFO/alien
> visitations and those of angelic entities.

I'd use the word "demonic" rather than angelic. They are similar,
in that the demons are the fallen angels who followed Satan and
were thrown out of Heaven.

>
> Let me educate your narrow mind: (quote)

Interesting that you'd say I have a narrow mind, when I've actually
told you that we might agree on this topic more than you think. But
you showed no interest in discussing it with me.

>
> “The image of angels as intermediaries between God and humanity,”
> Thompson wrote, “has its roots in pre-Christian ideas about ‘daemons’
> and the ‘daemonic world.’ Plutarch, in his essay ‘On the Cessation of
> Oracles,’ speaks of ‘a family of Daemons, intermediate between gods and
> men, and after a certain fashion bringing thought together and uniting
> in one the society of both.’ In Plato’s ‘Symposium,’ Diotima describes
> Eros as ‘a great spirit [daemon] and like all spirits he is intermediate
> between the divine and the mortal.’ Eros ‘interprets between gods and
> men . . . he is the mediator who spans the chasm which divides them, and
> therefore in him all is bound together, and through him the arts of the
> prophet and the priest, their sacrifices and charms, and all prophecy
> and incantation, find their way.’ Diotima concluded: ‘These spirits or
> intermediate powers are many and diverse . . . .’”
>
> According to Thompson, the understanding of “daemon” shifted to mean
> “evil spirit” after the advent of Christianity.

A lot of words have definitions that have changed over time.

>
> “It is crucial to note,” he adds, “that prior to Christianity’s
> ‘demonization’ of the daemonic world, daemons did not have an exclusive
> evil coloring.

But they do now, don't they? Language evolves over time.

>
> Writes Angus Fletcher: ‘Very early in history the term
> demon had a religious and spiritual signification, and referred to the
> other-world.’ In pagan antiquity, ‘demon’ (interchangeable with daemon
> or daimon) was used in a threefold sense: ‘for gods, for intermediaries,
> and for the souls of the dead without any direct connection with
> intermediaries,’ Fletcher notes. Thus we begin to glimpse common ground
> between the modern imagination of aliens and the traditional imagination
> of angels and daemons.”
>
> “In the last several decades,” they begin, “a number of experienced UFO
> researchers have drawn parallels between the nature of angels, demons
> and the UFO occupants. Indeed, some-including Jacques Vallee, John Keel,
> and others-have even suggested that our alien visitors may indeed by
> fallen angels or demons themselves.

Bingo! This is what I have suggested to you previously, and for
some reason you chose to ignore it. Now you're proclaiming it
to me! Thank you, Doc!

>
> To determine whether aliens are part
> of the angelic or demonic realm, we must first examine some of the
> attributes of angels and demons.
>
> “It is commonly believed,” they continue, “that fallen angels and demons
> are one and the same.

They started out that way.

>
> In fact, they are frequently used as synonyms in
> the Judeo-Christian literature of the last several hundred years.
> However, it turns out that the ancient rabbis and the Early Church
> fathers believed that they were separate and distinct entities.

They are now, even since the demons were thrown out of Heaven.

>
> When we
> examine the Biblical record, we see that the attributes and activities
> of angels and demons are different. Angels (literally ‘messengers’) are
> creations of God that have their own physical bodies. They are able to
> manifest in time and space, and when they do they are usually confused
> with men!
>
> “For example, when God and the two angels appeared to Abraham in the
> ‘terebinths’ of Mamre in Genesis 18, they are described as having the
> appearance of men. In fact, they were so convincingly human that the
> homosexuals of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have intercourse with them.
> It is unlikely that that the men of Sodom would have been sexually
> interested in the angels had they been semi-transparent, glowing
> apparitions with wings and halos!

This is great! Angels and demons have the ability to take on
human form. I have always believed this. This is nothing new
to me, is it new to you?

>
> “In the New Testament, two angels who were confused with men were at the
> empty tomb of Jesus after the resurrection. Luke the Apostle stated,
> ‘And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold,
> two men stood by them in shining garments’ (Luke 24:4). After Jesus
> ascended into heaven, the disciples looked on. ‘And while they
> steadfastly looked toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by
> them in white apparel’ (Acts 1:10). These ‘two men’ were angels with
> physical bodies who advised the disciples that Jesus would return ‘in
> like manner.’”
>
> https://anomalien.com/angels-and-aliens-is-there-a-heavenly-relationship/
>
> In modern times, UFO aliens were commonly seen as much like humans but
> then the 4-ft. reptilian-like 'aliens' became more commonly reported and
> today, it's fairly rare to have witnesses describing aliens as like
> typical humans.

No, they appear to be more like creepy demons. But I think
the reason for that is to make people like you think they're
from another planet.

>
> And that helps support my argument that the superior
> humanoid species has a powerful counterpart, the "bad aliens"
> (reptilian) are in an eternal struggle with the "good" humanoid aliens.
> The countless "medical exams" reported by abductees could be a form of
> torture and sadism that the reptilian aliens enjoy, and often including
> sexual violation in the form of "exams." (An altered version of this
> hypothesis identifies the reptilian aliens as actually androids that
> hide their creator's humanoid appearance - which is the same as the
> "good" aliens and our species).
>
> I propose that "angels" might be today's "aliens" but may well have a
> terrestrial origin, not necessarily exclusively extraterrestrial.

I prefer what the article you posted says.

>
> Whether ET or terrestrial, angels and aliens still appear today, and
> even many ghost encounters are similar. Thompson reasoned that there
> might exist a common link between angels and aliens (but ignoring the
> ghosts), and that both phenomenons have a very uplifting, stimulating
> effect physiologically that encourages experiencers to widen their
> paradigm of "reality" beyond status quo.
>
> A certain level of enlightenment sets in and many never see "reality"
> the same way again. And that is basically a good development.

By the way, the "sons of God" who fathered the Nephilim with
the "daughters of men"? Those "sons of God" were the demons
who were thrown out of Heaven, but had the ability to appear as
human men, and apparently they also had the ability to impregnate
human women.

[JTEM is Magic]

Steven Douglas wrote:

> Apparently you have missed my suggestions that the entire UFO
> phenomenon has been put in place by demons who will want to
> discredit the idea that Jesus is the reason there will be so many
> missing Christians when Jesus returns to take us out of this world.

oh boy.





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[Steven Douglas]

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 9:07:21 AM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > Apparently you have missed my suggestions that the entire UFO
> > phenomenon has been put in place by demons who will want to
> > discredit the idea that Jesus is the reason there will be so many
> > missing Christians when Jesus returns to take us out of this world.
>
> oh boy.

Some time ago, you and I had a brief discussion on that topic,
and you said you liked my theory. Here's part of that discussion:

I wrote:

[quoting myself] "Two things happened in 1947, one being the Roswell
incident that was the unofficial start of all the great UFO conspiracy
theories we have been dealing with ever since.

"But at the same time that event was taking place, the world was
contemplating the partition of the Palestine Mandate into separate
Jewish and Arab states.

"The evil powers that be could see that the existence of Israel was
about to take place, which was one of the signs Jesus gave when
he told the parable of the Fig Tree (which was the Bible referred to
Israel in parts of the Old Testament).

"Is it just a coincidence that those two things happened in 1947?"
[end quote]

You responded:

[quoting JTEM] "Lol! I like that. I like that a lot!

"But, then again, it's no secret that JTEM likes a good conspiracy theory,
and that's a good one..." [end quote]

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/c/w01v1ySlUpg/m/Er8LpEESAAAJ

It is a good one. Jesus gave the signs of his coming 2000 years
ago, and all those signs are now in place for the first time ever.

Just in case you haven't noticed, the world is not the same as it
was just a few years ago. It's not getting better, is it?

[JTEM is Magic]

Steven Douglas wrote:

> Some time ago, you and I had a brief discussion on that topic,
> and you said you liked my theory.

What I said was tat I like conspiracy theories.

> Jesus gave the signs of his coming 2000 years
> ago,

Jesus didn't exist, he's a fictional character, and the bible isn't that
old. It's been back dated.




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[Steven Douglas]

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:40:33 PM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > Some time ago, you and I had a brief discussion on that topic,
> > and you said you liked my theory.
>
> What I said was tat I like conspiracy theories.

And you said mine was a good one that you liked a lot. Yet
you did not (and still don't) want to discuss it.

>
> > Jesus gave the signs of his coming 2000 years
> > ago,
>
> Jesus didn't exist, he's a fictional character,

Are there any other fictional characters who have had such
a huge impact on the world? For example, our calendar years
are based on the birth of Jesus. We date things prior to the
life of Jesus as BC (meaning Before Christ).

There are other reasons to wonder why a "fictional character"
has had the kind of impact on the world that Jesus has. I could
give you more, but you're probably not interested. You'd rather
bury your head in the sand and pretend that the TV show "Sliders"
is real, but the Bible is fiction.

>
> and the bible isn't that old. It's been back dated.

What other book has had the kind of impact on the world that
the Bible has had? If it's just fiction, why hasn't the TV show
"Sliders" had that kind of impact? Do you think people will be
discussing "Sliders" in 2000 years?

[JTEM is Magic]

Steven Douglas wrote:

> Are there any other fictional characters who have had such
> a huge impact on the world?

Certainly fictionalized characters.

> For example, our calendar years
> are based on the birth of Jesus.

Or the solar year.

> We date things prior to the
> life of Jesus as BC (meaning Before Christ).

The canceled that years ago. It's not CE and BCE.

> There are other reasons to wonder why a "fictional character"
> has had the kind of impact on the world that Jesus has.

He was created to?



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[Steven Douglas]

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:11:01 AM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > Are there any other fictional characters who have had such
> > a huge impact on the world?
>
> Certainly fictionalized characters.

Such as?

>
> > For example, our calendar years
> > are based on the birth of Jesus.
>
> Or the solar year.

I'm talking about the way our calendar years are numbered.
But then you knew that.

>
> > We date things prior to the
> > life of Jesus as BC (meaning Before Christ).
>
> The canceled that years ago. It's not CE and BCE.

But the numbers of the years remain the same, based on
the birth of Christ. In other words, the common era is
based on the birth of Christ. But then you knew that.

>
> > There are other reasons to wonder why a "fictional character"
> > has had the kind of impact on the world that Jesus has.
>
> He was created to?

He was not created, he was there with Father God at the beginning.

[JTEM is Magic]

Steven Douglas wrote:

> > Certainly fictionalized characters.
> Such as?

Oh, honey, the sky's the limit!

George Washington & the cherry tree? Anything civil war? Jesus? Darwin
inventing or discvering "Evolution," or whatever we're supposed to believe?







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[Steven Douglas]

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:35:37 PM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > > Certainly fictionalized characters.
>
> > Such as?
>
> Oh, honey, the sky's the limit!

Really?

>
> George Washington & the cherry tree?

Not even close. Most people in the world have never heard
of that fable. Try again.
>
> Anything civil war?

Which civil war? Ours? At this point, most people in the world
have no clue of our civil war.
>
> Jesus?

Jesus is who were talking about. He's at the top, by far the most
well-known individual in world history, while also having had the
biggest impact on the world.

And you want to think he's on a par with George Washington and
the cherry tree? Are you serious?

>
> Darwin inventing or discvering "Evolution," or whatever we're supposed to believe?

Wrong again. It's not just Christians who believe Jesus was a
real person. Even Muslims believe he was a great prophet. Add
up all the Christians and Muslims in the world, and that's a very
large number.

I wonder why the world didn't restart the calendar when Darwin
came up with his theory? You know, all the years before Darwin
would be known as BDE (Before Darwin Era), and the years after
would be ADE (After Darwin Era).

[JTEM is Magic]

Steven Douglas wrote:

> Not even close. Most people in the world have never heard
> of that fable. Try again.

Omg, I keep forgetting that you're an idiot...





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[Madhu]

* Steven Douglas <3ae77b4f-f79c-4732-a401-54177a572aadn @googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Sun, 1 May 2022 23:46:29 -0700 (PDT):

> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:11:01 AM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> I'm talking about the way our calendar years are numbered.
> But then you knew that.
>>
>> > We date things prior to the
>> > life of Jesus as BC (meaning Before Christ).
>>
>> The canceled that years ago. It's not CE and BCE.
>
> But the numbers of the years remain the same, based on
> the birth of Christ. In other words, the common era is
> based on the birth of Christ. But then you knew that.

But Jesus wasn't born in 1AD (or 1BC), the best estimate thinking is
that it was 4 BC or 6 BC.

[JTEM is Magic]

Madhu wrote:

> But Jesus wasn't born in 1AD (or 1BC), the best estimate thinking is
> that it was 4 BC or 6 BC.

The correct answer is E) "None of the above."

Jesus was a latter day invention. There were elements taken from
elsewhere, including real people, but too say he was any of them is
just plain wrong.

For one thing he's too Greek -- Hellenistic -- to be a Jewish Rabbi.

"Christ" is a Greek title, for example.

No, that's the clue that he was invented after the shift to Constantinople.




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[Steven Douglas]

Yes, there were some mistakes made in that original calendar that
was based on the birth of Jesus. My point is that the calendar years
we use were intended to be based on the birth of Jesus. No other
historical figure in the history of the world has had the kind of impact

[Steven Douglas]

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 6:36:52 AM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Madhu wrote:
>
> > But Jesus wasn't born in 1AD (or 1BC), the best estimate thinking is
> > that it was 4 BC or 6 BC.
>
> The correct answer is E) "None of the above."

No, that's the wrong answer.

>
> Jesus was a latter day invention.

That's wrong, too.

>
> There were elements taken from
> elsewhere, including real people, but too say he was any of them is
> just plain wrong.

Give some examples, so I can debunk them.

>
> For one thing he's too Greek -- Hellenistic -- to be a Jewish Rabbi.

Give an example.

>
> "Christ" is a Greek title, for example.

You probably don't know this, but the name "Jesus" is not really
his name. He is actually Yeshua. The term Christ is a Greek term,
but it's a translation of the actual term that was used for Jesus in
his own language. Your point just below is irrelevant.

>
> No, that's the clue that he was invented after the shift to Constantinople.

Your "clue" just shows how clueless you are.

[Steven Douglas]

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:16:24 PM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > Not even close. Most people in the world have never heard
> > of that fable. Try again.
>
> Omg, I keep forgetting that you're an idiot...

You mean most people in the world have heard of the George
Washington and the cherry tree fable?

[JTEM is Magic]

Steven Douglas wrote:

> Give some examples, so I can debunk them.

You're an idiot. We've been over this. Each time you simply collect some
goo in the corners of your mouth, say something stupid then hit the
<Reset> button, pretending it never happened.

Start with ancient Egypt: Osiris. Or even the Pharaoh who was a god. And
a Shephard.

Mithras is an obvious source for Jesus fodder. "Christmas" is literally
a re appropriation of the Mithras holiday...

But resurrection, turning water into wine, being the son of a god (etc) are
found across cultures in many Pagan deities.





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[Steven Douglas]

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 10:08:43 AM UTC-7, JTEM is Magic wrote:
> Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> > Give some examples, so I can debunk them.
>
> You're an idiot. We've been over this.

Yes, and we probably will again a few more times because for some
reason, you feel the need to discuss something you consider to be a
myth. If you're so sure it's all a myth, why do you give it a second
thought? Why do you obsess over it the way you do?

>
> Each time you simply collect some goo in the corners of your mouth,

Oh, the irony!

>
> say something stupid then hit the
> <Reset> button, pretending it never happened.

You're the one who continues to insist that it's all a myth. Why aren't
you jumping up and down about Unicorns being a myth? Why do you
spend so much time researching Jesus so you can argue that he's
just a myth?

>
> Start with ancient Egypt: Osiris.

Have you ever wondered why Jesus is so popular, but most people
have never heard of Osiris? Why wasn't the calendar changed for
Osiris? And why hasn't Osiris had the kind of positive impact on
the world that Jesus has had?
>
> Or even the Pharaoh

Which one?

>
> who was a god. And a Shephard.

Well, there's the difference. Jesus was God, not a god. Maybe
that's why we're talking about Jesus and not Osiris or Pharaoh
(whichever one you meant).

>
> Mithras is an obvious source for Jesus fodder. "Christmas" is literally
> a re appropriation of the Mithras holiday...

Why didn't Mithras succeed over Christianity? According to you, it
had a head start. How did Christianity come along and take over?
Could there be some greater power at work that you refuse to
acknowledge?

>
> But resurrection, turning water into wine, being the son of a god (etc) are
> found across cultures in many Pagan deities.

Give some examples, since you're obsessed with this topic.

[docufo]

Jesus, Lesus, Jeshua, Yahweh, Yeshu, Yehoshua...oy vey!! Can we just all
move on please??

LOL!

@Y@
v

[Steven Douglas]

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 1:40:37 PM UTC-7, docufo wrote:
>
> Jesus, Lesus, Jeshua, Yahweh, Yeshu, Yehoshua...oy vey!! Can we just all
> move on please??

Do you have a problem with Jesus because he's Jewish?

[docufo]

How did you miss that I'm referring to the obsessiveness over what the
"Son of God's" or God's name should be?

With so many variations, it'd seem the wise God of all creation would be
more amused than offended.

However, to join up with the Jehovah's Witnesses one must use "yahweh"
when addressing your prayers to God or you'll get a disconnection every
time.

LOL! One JW (door to door minister) said to me decades ago, "If you
don't know His real name He may not answer. Just as all of us might not
answer if our real names are not spoken."

God will hang up on you for sure if you say, "Hi, big guy in the sky!"

~}~
V

[Mike]

I don't have a problem with Jesus or Jews. My beef is
more about the people who are not Jesus nor Jewish
dissemination information that technically should be
none of there business who spread rumors that they
know practically nothing and cannot discern the difference
between data and facts.

[Steven Douglas]

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 7:25:02 AM UTC-7, docufo wrote:
> On 5/4/2022 10:23 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 1:40:37 PM UTC-7, docufo wrote:
> >>
> >> Jesus, Lesus, Jeshua, Yahweh, Yeshu, Yehoshua...oy vey!! Can we just all
> >> move on please??
> >
> > Do you have a problem with Jesus because he's Jewish?
>
> How did you miss that I'm referring to the obsessiveness over what the
> "Son of God's" or God's name should be?

Those names are all correct, just spelled out in different languages.

>
> With so many variations, it'd seem the wise God of all creation would be
> more amused than offended.

Amused by what?

>
> However, to join up with the Jehovah's Witnesses one must use "yahweh"
> when addressing your prayers to God or you'll get a disconnection every
> time.

I'd have to ask them where it says that in the Bible. They
would have a difficult time coming up with an answer.
When Jesus taught us to pray, he told us to begin by
saying, "Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be
thy name."

Yet Jesus himself is never quoted in the Bible referring
to Yahweh. The way that name is spelled out in the Bible
is YHWH. We can honor God's name, and keep it sacred,
without calling out to him using that name. If Jesus had
wanted us to use that name, he wouldn't have instructed
us to say "Our Father".

[Steven Douglas]

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:38:37 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:23:05 UTC-7, Steven Douglas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 1:40:37 PM UTC-7, docufo wrote:
> > >
> > > Jesus, Lesus, Jeshua, Yahweh, Yeshu, Yehoshua...oy vey!! Can we just all
> > > move on please??
>
> > Do you have a problem with Jesus because he's Jewish?
>
> I don't have a problem with Jesus or Jews.

That's nice. That makes me happy.