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It can be documented that there are tremendous similarities in the
behaviors of Sanford Wallace and that of "Just Taylor" ("Taylor Jimenez")
AND there are
even similarities in the fact that 'both' have used more than one
of the very same domains (one being netscum.net, as shown below).
It has been seen that they are the same age and look very much
alike (or identical) -- based on comparison of a "Taylor" snowmobile
gif and a interview picture of Sanford.

Beyond this, BOTH "Taylor" and Sanford are litigious (like to talk in
terms of law suits). Both imply they have plenty of money, power,
and resources to legally defeat law suits. Plus, as was shown in a post
yesterday, Sanford seems to be one person (and the only person) "Taylor"
cares about (no doubt because Sanford IS "Taylor"). He obviously
has a lot of knowledge of, and lies for, Sanford.

In addition, BOTH Sanford and "Taylor" have a demonstrated history of
hosting abuse pages *for others* on their domains (again, with some of
these domains being the same).

The material below only further shows the "Taylor" is either Sanford's
depraved copycat identical twin brother or they are one and the same
person.

Early opinions on Sanford Wallace's behavior:

From: gfra...@efn.org (Gary Frazier)
Subject: Re: Spammers (UBE) belong in jail!
Date: 1997/08/08
Message-ID: <5sg3kg$l...@garcia.efn.org>#1/1
References: <5sfquc$8...@panix2.panix.com>
<5sfron$6...@peaches.cs.utexas.edu> <5sg0sr$h...@garcia.efn.org>
<5sg1ns$m...@panix2.panix.com>
Organization: Oregon Public Networking
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.stop.spamming,news.admin.net-
abuse.email,news.admin.censorship

In <5sg1ns$m...@panix2.panix.com> g...@panix.com (G*rd*n) writes:

>G*rd*n <g...@panix.com> wrote:
>| >> Well, there goes our much-vaunted Net anarchy. Only
>| >> yesterday we were telling Congress to keep its dirty laws
>| >> off our cyberbody.

tur...@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>| >Ahhh ... but Gordon, the government already *is* involved.

>| >In an anarchy, netizens would long ago have dealth with Sanford
>| >Wallace and similar thieves. The government prevents this, and
>| >insists that only it may punish crime. Perhaps you can persuade
>| >me that anarchy is best (though I doubt we can soon persuade
>| >enough others to matter). Or perhaps we should retain
>| >government, in which case, I think it should punish thieves. But
>| >you will have a hard time persuading me that, in these matters,
>| >the government's role should be restricted to protecting the
>| >thieves!

gfra...@efn.org (Gary Frazier):
>| Russ is right. If the Internet were a true anarcy, Scamfraud long ago
>| would have been DOSed into utter and complete submisssion. But DOS
>| (Denial of Service) attacks are against the law. The government is
>| already involved. So we need to get some balance, Thus the Smith bill.

>When I was a kid they told me two wrongs don't make a right.
>I'd like to see if we couldn't solve this problem without
>running to the government. Would have, could have, that is --
>I'm sure now that the camel has been invited, he'll be glad
>to come all the way into the tent.

Gordon, in an ideal world I'd agree with you.

But Wallace has repeatedly displated sociopathic behavior. He's unwilling
to play by the rules...loosely drawn up rules, at that. When someone
comes in and starts taking proactive action to upset the boat, he
shouldn't be surprised when he draws fire.

The government has >preempted< the logical solution to this disruption of
the net. The camel's nose was already under the tent. It was too late
before spam came along.

The only thing parasites understand is a LART. Wallace and his gang of
thugs and fellow capos (Walt Rines, Phil Lawlor, and the rest) have
brought this all on themselves.

You're right that getting the government involved will no doubt have
unintended consequences. But it's already involved.
--
Gary

(end quote)

Protests from some early libel/stalking/abuse victims:

From: Maje...@ALIENcryogen.SPAMcom (Roswell Coverup)
Subject: My NetScum Page: was Re: Thanks to Sanford and the gang, I got a
free Web site :)
Date: 1997/06/18
Message-ID: <MPG.e11ef4dd...@news.cris.com>#1/1
References: <33a35e9c...@news.wwa.com>
<5o3khk$cck$1...@client3.news.psi.net>
Organization: Borg Spam Assimilators Ltd.
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email

While cleaning the email box of UCE Spam, in article
<5o3khk$cck$1...@client3.news.psi.net>, romers...@elsva.com says...
> In article <33a35e9c...@news.wwa.com>, m...@debraw.com wrote:
>
> >Someone told me, earlier today, that I got listed on www.netscum.net.
> >I guess that I must have REALLY pissed someone off. If so, then part
> >of my job has been done :)...
> >
> >So, to Sanford and the gang (I know you're out there)....
> >
> >Thanks for giving me a free Web site. I am Netscum, and proud of it!
>
> Congratulation! I should mention here that your post prompted me to
check out
> net.scum myself, and guess what? I got a page, too! That's right, you
can view
> me at <http://www.netscum.net/romersd0.html>... I'm sooooo happy <G>.

Well How Bout That?? Me Too!!

First, I would like to thank My Parents. Next, I would like to thank all
the Usenet & Email Spammers who have royally ticked me off. Thanks to my
mentors on the nana Usenet groups.

And I would like to Personally Thank Mr. Sanford Wallace whose Internet
services are being used to provide a web presence for my NetScum page.
For tha OFFICIAL archives at dejanews, altavista, reference and hotbot:

NETSCUM (NETSCUM2-DOM)
8001 Castor Avenue Ste. 127
Philadelphia, PA 19152
USA

Domain Name: NETSCUM.NET

Administrative Contact:
NETSCUM (NET33-ORG) ad...@NETSCUM.NET
215-628-9780
Fax- 215-628-9762
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Wallace, Sanford (SW1708) dom...@CYBERPROMO.COM
215-628-9780
Billing Contact:
NETSCUM (NET33-ORG) ad...@NETSCUM.NET
215-628-9780
Fax- 215-628-9762

Record last updated on 01-May-97.
Record created on 01-May-97.
Database last updated on 18-Jun-97 05:29:22 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS7.CYBERPROMO.COM 205.199.2.250
NS9.CYBERPROMO.COM 207.124.161.50
NS8.CYBERPROMO.COM 207.124.161.65
NS5.CYBERPROMO.COM 205.199.212.50

The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Information
(Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's).
Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information.

And for the Web Searching Bots - here is the heading info for my page:

Net.Scum Page"><META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="netscum,
harrassment, pornography, censorship, forgery, molestation, abuse, libel,
slander, lies, vandalism, obscenity, cancel, cancelbot, trojan, virus,
hackers"></HEAD><BODY

HHmm more fodder for my files Mr. Sanford Wallace.

Thank you Spamford!!
Thank you Kook Cabal!!
Thank you Scum^H^H^H^H owner's of the www.netscum.net site

--
JOWazzoo - A Very Disturbed Nerd, InterNUT Bluelist & NetScum Member
Fight spam, support Rep. Chris Smith's TCPA extension by joining
CAUCE: http://www.cauce.org
Green SpamBotFrog's No Spam WWW Spam Home Spam Page
http://members.tripod.com/~JOWazzoo/index.html

(end quote)

Addressing early hosting of **other peoples'** hate pages by Sanford
Wallace:

From: pe...@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Feedback
Date: 1997/05/09
Message-ID: <5kvf16$l...@web.nmti.com>#1/1
References: <Pine.SUN.3.96L-rev3_1-10.970508124801.28706A-
100...@crl7.crl.com> <5kti06$5qc$1...@news2.digex.net>
Organization: Network/development platform support, NMTI
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-
abuse.usenet,alt.censorship,news.admin.misc

In article <5kti06$5qc$1...@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ric...@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
> I don't understand your complaints with the web pages at
> www.netscum.net. They are compilations of postings that explain
> themselves quite nicely.

They're a handful of postings taken out of context liberaly slathered with
tons of outright falsehoods, but you have every right to show everyone
the sort of vicious slime you and your 'true free speech' buddies really
are. Your page has been kicked off site after site as one by one they
realize that your goal is promoting a personal vendetta rather than free
speech.

> whois 'net 205.199.2' # www.netscum.net
AGIS/Net99 (NETBLK-NET99-BLK4) NET99-BLK4 205.198.0.0 -
205.199.255.0
Cyber Promotions Inc (NETBLK-CYBERPROMO-205-199B) CYBERPROMO-205-199B
205.199.2.0 - 205.199.2.255

Congratulations on finally finding a site that's willing to put up with
your
lies. Sanford Wallace is a perfect host for your hate page. It fits in so
well with this one:

> whois 'net 205.199.212' # godhatesfags.com
AGIS/Net99 (NETBLK-NET99-BLK4) NET99-BLK4 205.198.0.0 -
205.199.255.0
Cyber Promotions Inc (NETBLK-CYBERPROMO-205-199) CYBERPROMO-205-199
205.199.212.0 - 205.199.212.255
--
The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH, 3D0G, KIBO.
Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-'
Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia! Vi er alle
Kibo.
HEIL KIBO! HEIL KIBO! HEIL KIBO! Wir sind alle
Kibo.

(end quote)

**AND**

From: m...@nanam.honet.com (Michael Rathbun)
Subject: Re: I got a Netscum page! Was: PLEASE BLOCK WWW.NETSCUM.NET
(205.199.2.143) FROM YOUR USERS' WEB BROWSERS
Date: 1997/05/12
Message-ID: <3383a9ce.166056576@rabendary>#1/1
References: <1997050705...@dhp.com> <5kvcv0$f...@panix.com>
<macabrus-ya0240800...@news.concentric.net>
<3375f236...@news.mindspring.com> <5l0u0j$5i6$1...@sloth.swcp.com>
Organization: Home Office Networks
Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-
abuse.usenet

In <5l0u0j$5i6$1...@sloth.swcp.com> (news.admin.net-abuse.misc), on 10 May
1997
04:36:35 GMT,
qu...@swcp.com (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) wrote:

>Well, I'm disappointed in the 'update' the gave my listing.
>
>Gone is my esteemed title of "Flaming Bully" and all that's left are a
>couple of posts on Kook-ology. Heck they aren't even particularly
>*intersting* observations on the Kook Kabal.

Well, cheer up, bunky! There is hope for you! There is someone without a
life outside of that list who reads the mail to "ad...@netscum.net", and
who
acted upon my very own suggestions with immediacy and aplomb.

My page at http://www.netscum.net/rathbum0.html now contains a copy of my
"you, Sanford Wallace, are a thief" post from his brief visit to this
demesne
last year. Nice that this should be going forth from his very own newtwok.
The original content, a fake cancel message, is still there, but at least
there is a note that I disclaim it. Unfortunately, I couldn't find an
archived copy of one of the few actual cancel messages I really did issue.

mdr
--
"Honest folk do not wear masks when they enter a bank."
-- Unspiek, Baron Bodissey

(end quote)

Protests of the above crap from some earlier victims:

From: rog...@tiac.net (Roger Williams)
Subject: Re: Manson--a Ratcliffe Clone??? Was: WWW.NETSCUM.NET
Date: 1997/05/14
Message-ID: <5ld072$d...@news-central.tiac.net>#1/1
Distribution: world
References: <1997050705...@dhp.com>
<5kt6jo$nbj$2...@news1.exit109.com> <5ktae2$2m0...@tpc.kenosis.com>
<3374d4ad...@news.alt.net> <337d0d99...@news.visi.com>
<3378fcc7...@news.alt.net> <338ba0b2...@news.visi.com>
<MPG.de1aa2fb...@news.earthlink.net>
<337df99f...@news.visi.com> <337bb837...@news.microserve.net>
<fl_aggie-ya0240800...@news.fsu.edu>
<5lcv2p$hio$6...@news2.digex.net>
Organization: Parrot Networks- America's Feathered ISP
Reply-To: ad...@parrot.net
Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-
abuse.misc,alt.fan.speedbump,news.admin.net-scum,sci.meow

Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ric...@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:

<snip>

: I R A Aggie (fl_a...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: : Dontcha mean 'KKK'?
: :
: : James - Kook Kabal Korps, that is...
:
: Calling people names doesn't address the issues being discussed.

Really! Wow, Vulis, Grubor, Boursy and the other people on the Freedom
Knught list do it all the time. When did we become so sensitive,
"Ricardo"?

: -Ric G.
: Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy

What's really refreshing is that the kooks have shot themselves in the
foot again with the netscum list. The Cyberpromo link to another awful
piece of misbegotten shit (www.godhatesfags.com) illustrates just how low
Dave Hayes, Vulis and Grubor had to sink to find a site that will allow
it's openly anti-semitic and homophobic content to live on it.

Congratulations, guys- in Sanford Wallace you found someone who will
literally do anything for a dollar. You've illustrated your definition of
ethics (libel, censorship by intimidation/harassing phone calls, racism)
perfectly.

--
{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Lutefisk!
{} Roger W. The Internet Access Co. {} \|/ /
{} (617) 932-2000 rog...@parrot.net {} 0<
{} Only Boursy could say my opinion = TIAC's {} ^^^^(*)^^^^
{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} ^^ / \ ^^

(end quote)

NOW:
A FULL example of early libelous abuse coming out of MINDSPRING AND
netscum web sites. Abuse post, including protestations of the
abused party, then the last quote in this list of posts shows that the
same libelous material was also hosted by Sanford
Wallace on the netscum.net web site. netscum.net is NOW owned by
"Taylor Jumenez" , "Just Taylor" -- a false name and true alias.
(By the way, "Taylor" is very inconsistent in describing how "he" came
to own it. One week he said he "bought it from Sanford" and
another week he claims "Sanford never owned it." Seems clear
to me "Taylor" IS Sanford.)
Reasonable people can only see "Taylor" as Sanford himself.
His behavior is IDENTICAL TO SANFORD'S AND HE USES THE SAME DOMAINS.
(Other similarities have been noted in the introduction to this post
AND the fact that "Taylor" is VERY familiar with Sanford and will
discuss Sanford's business and defend him was illustrated in a post
yesterday.)

From: nob...@huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer)
Subject: Chassidic Faggot Grady Booch exposed at
http://WWW.NETSCUM.NET/boochg0.html
Date: 1997/05/25
Message-ID: <1997052519...@fat.doobie.com>#1/1
Organization: mail...@nym.alias.net
Mail-To-News-Contact: postm...@nym.alias.net
Comments: Please report misuse of this automated remailing service to
<remaile...@cajones.com>
Newsgroups: alt.flame.grady-
booch,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.
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.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada,com
p.programming,comp.databases.object,comp.lang.lisp,comp.software-eng

Chassidic Faggot Grady Booch exposed at http://WWW.NETSCUM.NET/boochg0.html

Grady Booch, e...@rational.com, Pseudo scholar of Ada, C, C++, SmallTalk

This ex-zoomie is really stupider off-stage than he looks in the faggy
Chassidic goatee on book covers. "egb" stands for "Extremely Greedy
Bore", because in public he can not discuss the content of his books or
columns intelligently. Next time you see Grady in person at a
conference, reference one of his columns by column, column name, and
date, and he'll look at you blankly. Lights are on but nobody's in the
garage, yet.

Grady Booch said the following about his Web page, without using any
capitals:

i am seeking co-plaintiffs in a legal action i will commence this week
against [Net.Scum], seeking a cease and desist order against his
libelous postings. such an action, if bought to consummation,, would be
a useful vehicle to nullify any future libelous activity, to provide a
legal instrument to point to future isps who might host such pages, and
to warn of impending criminal action were he to violate this order.

Grady then sent this very strange e-mail, disclaiming allegations that
aren't even here:

Message-Id: <1996103106...@keystone.rational.com>
From: "Grady Booch" <e...@Rational.COM>
To: <net...@mindspring.com>
Cc: "mindspring" <ser...@mindspring.com>, "Grady Booch" <e...@Rational.COM>
Subject: Libelous material hosted on www.mindspring.com/~netscum
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:27:22 -0700

This message is directed to the author of the netscum pages ...

Per the disclaimer in http://www.mindspring.com/~netscum/boochg0.html, I am
obligated to advise you of information that is incorrect. Specifically, you
state that "most of his books are ghost written..." This statement is
false. I
have written 5 books. One of these books is in its third edition, and
another
is in its second edition. None of these books were ghost written. On the
third
edition of my first book, I engaged a co-author who did most of the
revision
(and he was acknowledged as such in the book). On my fifth book, I engaged
an
editor who assembled the articles I had written. Additionally, you state
that
"Most of his 'paid' columns are written by others..." This statement is
also
false. I have written well over 100 technical articles, and not a single
one of
them with my by line was written by anyone else.

Also per the disclaimer in
http://www.mindspring.com/~netscum/wellerd0.html, I
am obligated to advise you of information that is incorrect. Specifically,
you
state that "It has been published that Weller performs upside down
fellatio on
Grady Booch on video" in effect accusing me of a homosexual act. No such
information has been published, nor could it, for the event described
simply
did not occur.

I ask that you correct these errors of fact immediately; if you do not,
then I
must consider the contents of your pages to be libelous, and hence I shall
continue with appropriate legal action.

Through this email, I am also advising your service provider of the
existence
of this libelous material. Please be clear that I am not asking them to
censor
you; rather, I am obligated to advise them of the presence of this libelous
material, and that I will proceed with appropriate legal action if you do
not
remove or correct this libelous material immediately

I expect a reply before the close of business on Friday, 1 November.

Grady Booch
e...@rational.com

Finally Grady made a disappearing act:

Message-Id: <01BBC718.D2CFD900@egb_port.rational.com>
From: Grady Booch <e...@rational.com>
Subject: privacy of this mailing group
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:46:49 -0700

[Net.Scum] has posted on his netscum pages an excerpt from a message I
sent to this mailing group. While not a legal breach of privacy, I view
this an an egregious ethical violation of my privacy. I have no idea how
[Net.Scum] gained access to this email, which raises serious questions
about the openness of our communication here.

Henceforth, I will no longer participate in this forum; all messages
sent from this forum to me will be deleted without my reading them.

To whomever manages this list and unsolicitedly subscribed me,
unsubscribe me <immediately>.

egb

Say goodnight, Grady.
(end quote)

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