3nails
George Orwell
that it is censoring and discarding news articles due to content. I
have been able to get one of two sequentially sent messages to a
test group, however, the one with some words that might seem
offensive to some doesn't make it. If I fine otherwise, I will
post it.
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George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>
> I have been testing 3nails and not only is it very slow, I believe
> that it is censoring and discarding news articles due to content. I
> have been able to get one of two sequentially sent messages to a
> test group, however, the one with some words that might seem
> offensive to some doesn't make it. If I fine otherwise, I will
> post it.
Well, considering that 3nails is a middleman remailer with no posting
capability, no wonder. I'll bet the successful message was randhopped?
George Orwell
> I have been testing 3nails and not only is it very slow, I believe
> that it is censoring and discarding news articles due to content.
The remailer you're testing is middle and you're blaming lost mail
on it, rather than the fact that you're too fucking stupid to read
a caps string?
Why is the privacy community full of total asstards like you? Too
dumb to walk and breathe at the same time and WAY too eager to
attribute your own stupidity to whatever conspiracy theory bullshit
your tiny little minds can come up with on the fly?
Grow a fucking IQ before you stop by again, OK?
Junior
> George Orwell wrote:
>
>> I have been testing 3nails and not only is it very slow, I believe
>> that it is censoring and discarding news articles due to content.
>
> The remailer you're testing is middle and you're blaming lost mail
> on it, rather than the fact that you're too fucking stupid to read
> a caps string?
>
> Why is the privacy community full of total asstards like you? Too
> dumb to walk and breathe at the same time and WAY too eager to
> attribute your own stupidity to whatever conspiracy theory bullshit
> your tiny little minds can come up with on the fly?
>
> Grow a fucking IQ before you stop by again, OK?
The way I read that, some articles were being posted to a test
newsgroup and some didn't make it. A remailer set in middle man mode
can in fact post to a news server; either its own or send the
article on to another news server.
It is not very likely that content censoring is what is going on
here but it could be a technical thing in the setup of that site. A
middle man remailer configured to allow posting to usenet needs to
resort to a little magic and it can be tricky depending on the
position of the planets etc.
Can we get a second opinion on whether or not that particular
remailer supports posting to usenet?
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Anonymous
Junior <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
>
> The way I read that, some articles were being posted to a test
> newsgroup and some didn't make it. A remailer set in middle man mode
> can in fact post to a news server; either its own or send the
> article on to another news server.
>
> It is not very likely that content censoring is what is going on
> here but it could be a technical thing in the setup of that site. A
> middle man remailer configured to allow posting to usenet needs to
> resort to a little magic and it can be tricky depending on the
> position of the planets etc.
>
> Can we get a second opinion on whether or not that particular
> remailer supports posting to usenet?
That particular remailer definitely does not post. From its conf
(Reliable):
GENERAL
Middleman: True
and
NEWS
Anon-Post-To Supported (post): False
But it *will* randhop. Problem is, many of the remailers it might randhop
to with post in their capstrings *shouldn't* have post in their capstrings.
Witness Frell's Mix Post Stats from a.p.a-s.stats:
kulin FHD100000000 :13 ++++++++++++ 100.0% PRHGOXATLEUIN9
deuxpi HGD710110110 :40 ++++++++++++ 100.0% DPR GO ATLEUIN
george HHE432111013 :48 ++++++++++++ 100.0% PR GO ATLEUIN
cripto HHDA10121110 :53 ++++++++++++ 100.0% PR GO ATLE IN1
pboxmix HHDA10002111 :53 ++++++++++++ 100.0% PR GO ATLE IN
banana HHD624336223 3:07 ++++++++++++ 100.0% DPR IN1
dizum HHEB21112110 :58 +++++++++++8 98.7% PR GO ATLEUIN0
frell HHD8A356C352 6:38 +++++++++++6 98.0% PR GO ATLEUIN9
hermetix HHDA2963A212 2:37 5+3+5+++++5+ 87.8% DPR GO ATLE IN9
lulunga HHDB23242232 2:10 5++++++6+5+7 84.4% DPR IN
starwars HGD93322222? 2:38 +5++++5++5+2 83.7% DPR GO ATLEUIN
noauth HGEB01121?10 :50 5+++++5++0++ 79.5% PR G ATLE IN
antani HGD923313332 2:35 55++5++5+55+ 75.4% DPR GO ATLE IN
eurovibes HHEA?2322243 3:00 ++6+0+5++55+ 74.1% DPR IN
gpfa HGCA2234?132 2:33 55++++650+5+ 72.9% DPR GO ATLE IN9
bunker ?H?????75??? 6:13 050000055013 19.1% DPR UIN
devurandom ???????????? 99:59 000000000000 0.0% PR IN
Pretty much half of them are a crapshoot at best.
Of course we should let the foil-beany wearing guy continue to believe
that Jebus doesn't approve of his language. That's a better explanation.
Billy
Could be, but the usually more than 98%-reliable remailers are
pretty much that. Usually above 98%-reliable, with an emphasis
on "usually." 85% reliable is probably more like it, when you
figure in remailer chains, gateways, and network anomolies.
Frell has worked in the Post function for me about 85% of the
time, but I've rarely used it because of its long latency.
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Billy
George Orwell
Yes, I was mistaken in not noticing that it was middle. However,
IT DID post to alt.test.test and that further confused me.
The code was as below:
Host: localhost:2525
From: anon...@anonymous.com
Chain: banana,3nails
To: mail...@bananasplit.info
Newsgroups: alt.test.test
Subject: Test
Test
George Orwell
>that Jebus doesn't approve of his language. That's a better explanation.
Actually, the better explanation is that you are an arrogant son of a bitch
who cannot express yourself without also slandering the person who brought
up the topic. You immaturity is quite evident. This person was apparently
simply mistaken in his/her assessment, but you found it necessary to malign
him/her in your explaination.
Anonymous
> Could be, but the usually more than 98%-reliable remailers are
<FLUSH>
PuhhhhhhhhhhhLEASE.... a remailer that demonstrably does NOT
support the post directive happens to work for posting
occasionally, and you see some sort of propellerhead conspiracy?
No fucking wonder people look at remailer users and see a bunch of
fruitcakes.
<sigh>
Dave U. Random
> >Of course we should let the foil-beany wearing guy continue to believe
> >that Jebus doesn't approve of his language. That's a better explanation.
>
> Actually, the better explanation is that you are an arrogant son of a bitch
> who cannot express yourself without also slandering the person who brought
> up the topic.
Sorry to burst your bubble there slick, but the topic *is* one
nutwitter's delusions about it being some sort of conspiracy when
mail that shouldn't make it usually doesn't. The jackass was
looking for a reason for a reason to yap, and thought it found
one because it was too stump stupid to read a caps string.
> You immaturity is quite evident.
That's "YOUR immaturity", mouth breather.
> This person was apparently
> simply mistaken in his/her assessment, but you found it necessary to malign
> him/her in your explaination.
Cry us a river already.
noauth
> George Orwell wrote:
> > George Orwell wrote:
> >
> >> I have been testing 3nails and not only is it very slow, I believe
> >> that it is censoring and discarding news articles due to content.
> >
> > The remailer you're testing is middle and you're blaming lost mail
> > on it, rather than the fact that you're too fucking stupid to read
> > a caps string?
> >
> > Why is the privacy community full of total asstards like you? Too
> > dumb to walk and breathe at the same time and WAY too eager to
> > attribute your own stupidity to whatever conspiracy theory bullshit
> > your tiny little minds can come up with on the fly?
> >
> > Grow a fucking IQ before you stop by again, OK?
>
> The way I read
<SNIP>
What you need to read are the **FUCKING CAPS STRINGS**.
Now is THAT clear enough numbnuts, or do we need to bring in a 2
year old so we can have it explained on your level?
Anonymous
George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>
> >Of course we should let the foil-beany wearing guy continue to believe
> >that Jebus doesn't approve of his language. That's a better explanation.
>
> Actually, the better explanation is that you are an arrogant son of a bitch
> who cannot express yourself without also slandering the person who brought
> up the topic. You immaturity is quite evident. This person was apparently
> simply mistaken in his/her assessment, but you found it necessary to malign
> him/her in your explaination.
Hmm...I'm arrogant, slanderous, immature and malignant. I wonder what that
makes the other dickface who has replied in this thread...could he
be...SATAN?
95% of my reply was helpful, accurate and courteous. The remaining 5% was
a FUCKING JOKE already! Relax, quit being such a spaz. Life will be much
sweeter.
Anonymous
>PuhhhhhhhhhhhLEASE.... make my suffering end.
Frell User
Frell post
Junior
>
> Frell post
>
> On 16 Dec 2009, Billy <Brushy@Bill> wrote:
>>On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
>>>In article <hg8amg$7o8$1...@tioat.net>
>>>Junior <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The way I read that, some articles were being posted to a test
>>>
>>>(Reliable):
>>>GENERAL
>>> Middleman: True
>>>and
>>>NEWS
>>> Anon-Post-To Supported (post): False
>>>
>>>But it *will* randhop. Problem is, many of the remailers it might randhop
>>>to with post in their capstrings *shouldn't* have post in their capstrings.
>>>Witness Frell's Mix Post Stats from a.p.a-s.stats:
It doesn't need to be this confusing... and it should not be.
And there should be no controversy about a *remailer* censoring
posts. A remailer should leave any filtering of usenet posts to
the news server. All news servers filter posts; right? So, why
should a particular remailer try to filter posts before they get to
a news server? This only adds to the confusion.
Example: Some remailers have a limit on the number of newsgroups. If
a post is sent as *email* to a mail-to-news gateway and the final
remailer is set to delete *email* with a newsgroups line that has
more than its limit (usually 3) then, what we have here is censoring
of usenet posts by an agent external to that news server. Why would
we want a remailer to filter usenet posts when the typical usenet
news server is more than capable of handling that?
And, yes, I am avoiding the randhop issue; I understand that less
than the deal with email headers getting deleted if the newsgroups
line doesn't conform to a remailer filter setting.
Question: Isn't the "Anon-Post-To" directive Type-I related?
♥Ari♥
God, I luv it when you Anonymousies scream at each other. It's like
watching two fags having a hissy fit...across a long, empty room. And
about as effective too.
lol
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Zax
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:44 -0000, Junior wrote in
Message-Id: <hgdb7b$pem$1...@tioat.net>:
> And there should be no controversy about a *remailer* censoring
> posts. A remailer should leave any filtering of usenet posts to
> the news server. All news servers filter posts; right? So, why
> should a particular remailer try to filter posts before they get to
> a news server? This only adds to the confusion.
Yes, I agree. At the moment there are no remailers (according to
capstrings) that do direct news injection so in all instances the
filtering is best left to the mail2news gateways and news servers.
> Question: Isn't the "Anon-Post-To" directive Type-I related?
Yes it is. Anon-To for email and Anon-Post-To for news. Very few
people seem to use the Post option, preferring to specify a mail2news
gateway as a mail recipient.
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Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Junior wrote:
<flush juvenile rant about how anti-abuse measures are "censorship">
I see that in spite of your juvenile rant about not being a
conspiraloon, and all your pissing and moaning about how you're
being treated, a conspiraloon is EXACTLY what you are and derision
EXACTLY what you deserve.
Free Clue: You haven't one when it comes to email. Dropping
nonconforming messages on the floor isn't censorship in any way,
shape, or form.
noauth
> God, I luv it when you Anonymousies scream at each other. It's like
> watching two fags having a hissy fit...across a long, empty room. And
> about as effective too.
It's not near as amusing as watching some clueless clod make a fool
of themselves with "Barcode Encryption", then get so thoroughly
fucking owned by the incident they turn into a nymhopping cunt and
make a complete fool of themselves that way.
How many accounts have I had shut off for you now, cunt?
*snicker*
♥Ari♥
Back to work for you, Mr. Anonymousie, don't let those splinters from
your shitty desk job abscess in your ass, lol
*HEY LOOK OUT - ITS YOUR BOSS COMING TO YOUR CUBICLE!!!*
Just kidding, God how I love to do that. LOL
Now if you will excuse me, I have to turn the temp up in the pool, it's
going to be cold tonight for my nightly swim.
68.
LOL
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Nomen Nescio
"Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixm...@remailer.privacy.at>
wrote:
Any way I could get you address? We'd like to pay you a long
overdue visit.
♥Ari♥
Oh this is great, Anonymousie wanting another Anonymousie's address. LOL
Cretin.
He's in Austria <wink> <wink>
LOL LOL LOL
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Nomen Nescio
ROTFL!
Childish threats of violence. How quaint.
Thanks for letting me know I've made such an impact on your life
though....
:)
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noauth
> Oh this is great,
Hey Sliverdick... how's life in to polluted mosquito swamp? Still
fantasizing about living ear the beach? Maybe they'll condemn your
parents' house and you'll get that opportunity. I'm sure your dad
can suck enough cock in I 75 truck stop bathrooms to support that
lifestyle.
If he wasn't such a lazy queer anyway.
noauth
> Any way I could get you address?
It's "YOUR address" you illiterate twat.
♥Ari♥
> Hey Sliverdick... how's life in to polluted mosquito swamp? Still
> fantasizing about living ear the beach?
"ear"? How about living "on" and owning part of the beach, Mr.
Anonymousie. I see you got into work this morning early for a change.
lol
>Maybe they'll condemn your
> parents' house and you'll get that opportunity.
That would be swell....considering their dead for over 30 years.
> I'm sure your dad
> can suck enough cock in I 75 truck stop bathrooms to support that
> lifestyle.
Only if he is a zombie. lol
> If he wasn't such a lazy queer anyway.
I'll have to remember, dead=lazy.
LOL
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George Orwell
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:42:12 +0100 (CET), noauth wrote:
>
> > Hey Sliverdick... how's life in to polluted mosquito swamp? Still
> > fantasizing about living ear the beach?
>
> "ear"? How about living "on" and owning part of the beach, Mr.
It's your fantasy... dream it however you want Sliverdick.
> Anonymousie. I see you got into work this morning early for a change.
Same old tired bullshit. You're a real one trick pony there
Sliverdick. Your whole life is one big instance of you making a fool
of yourself today in the exact same ways you made a fool of yourself
the day before.
You have one thing right though... unlike you I actually DO have a
job.
> lol
>
> >Maybe they'll condemn your
> > parents' house and you'll get that opportunity.
>
> That would be swell....considering their dead for over 30 years.
Do your mom and dad know you're cowering in their basement telling
everyone they're dead?
> > I'm sure your dad
> > can suck enough cock in I 75 truck stop bathrooms to support that
> > lifestyle.
>
> Only if he is a zombie. lol
YOUR dad probably WILL be sucking cock postmortem.
Now run upstairs sonny, your mommy's calling you.
♥Ari♥
Ah off for the holidays, Anonymousie, trolling how many, six or more
newsgroups?
LOL
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George Orwell
> Ah off for the holidays, Anonymousie, trolling how many, six or more
> newsgroups?
You should know Sliverdick, your entire "life" consists of
infesting as many newsgroups with your puerility and sock puppetry
as teh day allows in 24 hours. You're nothing but a jagoff poser,
and you display those colors in dozens upon dozens of groups I'd
wager. There's no fucking way in hell you have a job, a spouse, or
anything that even resembles a life. You spend all day every day
making an ass of yourself with your keyboard.
How many accounts have I had shut off for you again?
*snicker*
> LOL
You're sorta addicted to this LOL thing, aintcha Sliverdick?
It's like an every post thing with you. Almost as though you're
desperately trying to convince YOURSELF that your sorry excuse for
a life is somehow humorous.
It's not. You're one of those bottom of the barrel losers who
really has nothing at all to laugh about.
♥Ari♥
> Sliverdick D Barcodeboi whined:
>
>> Ah off for the holidays, Anonymousie, trolling how many, six or more
>> newsgroups?
>
> You should know Sliverdick, your entire "life" consists of
> infesting as many newsgroups with your puerility and sock puppetry
> as teh day allows in 24 hours. You're nothing but a jagoff poser,
> and you display those colors in dozens upon dozens of groups I'd
> wager. There's no fucking way in hell you have a job, a spouse, or
> anything that even resembles a life. You spend all day every day
> making an ass of yourself with your keyboard.
>
> How many accounts have I had shut off for you again?
>
> *snicker*
>
>> LOL
>
> You're sorta addicted to this LOL thing, aintcha Sliverdick?
> It's like an every post thing with you. Almost as though you're
> desperately trying to convince YOURSELF that your sorry excuse for
> a life is somehow humorous.
>
> It's not. You're one of those bottom of the barrel losers who
> really has nothing at all to laugh about.
If you are through now, it has gotten chilly here on the beach and I'm
going inside a jump into one of my three hottubs.
lol
God how I love you Anonymousies. I wonder how many I employ.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
3Nails Admin
George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote in
news:085ef4f8017bd89e...@mixmaster.it:
> I have been testing 3nails and not only is it very slow, I
> believe that it is censoring and discarding news articles
> due to content. I have been able to get one of two
> sequentially sent messages to a test group, however, the
> one with some words that might seem offensive to some
> doesn't make it. If I fine otherwise, I will post it.
While others have already pointed out the obvious, I thought
that I'd give my "official" word on the subject.
1. Mail sent thorugh 3Nails is often slow but I don't see that
as a problem. It's called Latency all remailers have varying
amounts of it based on their settings.
2. 3Nails does not, never has, and never will filter on content.
Like any remailer it can block messages based on from headers
(i.e. trashing all mail from a specified address or domain) and
destination blocking (i.e. trashing all messages addressed to a
particular address) However this is not an issue since
3. 3Nails is a middleman remailer. Any messages bound for other
than another remailer end up getting rand-hopped. Obviously the
probablility of such messages actually getting delivered will
almost always drop dramatically.
Here's the relevant information from the remailer-conf
$remailer{"3nails"} = "<3na...@peculiar.homeip.net> cpunk mix
hybrid middle pgp pgponly latent ek ekx esub cut hash repgp
remix reord ext max test inflt75 rhop5 klen1000";
> Middleman: True
> From Header Allowed: Never
> Rand-Hop Maximum (rhop): 5
> Anon-Post-To Supported (post): False
> STRIPPED HEADERS (Outgoing)
> Sender:
> X-Sender:
> Approved:
> Errors-To:
> Received:
> Message-ID:
> Control:
> Supersedes:
> Also-Cancel:
> X-Trace:
> X-From:
> Path:
> Return-Path:
I've been busy with assorted things the last several months and
have largely let the remailer run on autopilot. I'll be doing
some maintenance over the next few days updating it's keyrings,
issuing new keys, and such.
3nails Admin
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Justin Thyme
Can somwone toss me a clue as to exactly what rand-hopping is?
Justine Thyme
"It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true."
--Bertrand Russell
Zax
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:24:03 -0700, Justin Thyme wrote in
Message-Id: <1js1j553auls5ospe...@4ax.com>:
> Can somwone toss me a clue as to exactly what rand-hopping is?
> Justine Thyme
Randhopping occurs when the last remailer in a chain is unable to
deliver to the destination. For example, banana is a Middleman
remailer, so if you constructed a chain of *,*,banana then upon the
message reaching banana, it would randhop it to another remailer.
The commonest example of randhopping is Middleman remailers returning
pings. Unless the pinger is whitelisted, the remailer cannot respond to
the pinger so it randhops it. The result of this is that reported
latency and reliability for a Middleman is in fact that remailer plus
one exit node.
To further complicate matters, some remailers don't have current stats
available to them. The result is that they cannot return pings. Bunker
is a good example of this. It looks terrible in stats but in reality is
perfectly reliable.
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