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Dustin Cook

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Jan 28, 2007, 12:37:41 AM1/28/07
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In the latest PcButts story,

Christopher Butts AKA PcButts has decided that the script he claims is his
own, but is infact, stolen from respected individuals, should remove the
BugHunter program from your computer. BugHunter is a known malware removal
tool, far superior to that of spyerase. As BugHunter's author, I'm
surprised at the obvious lack of ethics of any kind on Christopher's
behalf. He is aware of the fact that BugHunter is not a trojan or bad
program, and his script is targetting it anyway. Spyerase is one program
you should avoid!

see here:
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/PCBUTTS.TXT

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Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis
Last updated: January 25th, 2007

Nick Skrepetos

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Jan 28, 2007, 11:55:09 AM1/28/07
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On Jan 27, 9:37 pm, Dustin Cook

> email: bughunter.dus...@gmail.com.removethis


> Last updated: January 25th, 2007

File an action against him in US Federal Court. All of the reporting
him to his ISP, etc. is useless - when he is sued in US Federal Court
for damages, defamation of character, slander, etc. then you can shut
him down and he will have a huge judgement against him financially.
That is the ONLY way anyone is going to stop him. As you notice, he
only targets people that can't do anything to him legally.

Leythos

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Jan 28, 2007, 12:10:03 PM1/28/07
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In article <1170003309.1...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
nskre...@yahoo.com says...

DCMA Violations are easy to file, and they are worth $150,000 for each
violation if you win.

There are even examples of how to fill out a DCMA Violation complaint,
from real filed documents, available on the web - and they are taken
very seriously by the courts and ISP's.

--
Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
*** WARNING - these links contain foul/pornographic content of an
abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
website ***
http://www.pcbutts1.com/rlk/rlk.htm ,
http://www.pcbutts1.com/license.htm ,
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/max.htm ,
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/mpv.htm ,
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/wtcpcb.htm ,
http://www.pcbutts1.com/cracks.htm ,
http://www.pcbutts1.com/Loutheasshole.htm
All while spamming his company website at: http://www.seedsv.com

pcbutts1

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Jan 28, 2007, 12:35:30 PM1/28/07
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Threats that's all you ever do nick is make threats, what a wimp you are.

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H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell

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pcbutts1

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Jan 28, 2007, 1:34:05 PM1/28/07
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First Nick, the US Federal court will not entertain such frivolous small
lawsuits. I target nobody you guys have targeted me. If anyone should file a
lawsuit it should be me but I can't because I have not been defamed or
slandered. pcbutts1 is not my name Christopher Butts is not me. You cannot
file a lawsuit on behalf of someone else simply because you don't like me.
The people you claim are the real authors has to file but they can't because
they know they are not real author. If you keep egging on and accusing me of
being a thief and threatening lawsuit then I will add superantispyware to
spyerase like I did with bughunter. You dumb fuckers just never learn do
you. I really want someone to sue me so I can make it public and shame the
hell out of all you trolls.


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Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell

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Chaz

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Jan 28, 2007, 1:46:51 PM1/28/07
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pcbutts1 wrote:

> First Nick, the US Federal court will not entertain such frivolous small
> lawsuits. I target nobody you guys have targeted me. If anyone should file a
> lawsuit it should be me but I can't because I have not been defamed or
> slandered. pcbutts1 is not my name Christopher Butts is not me. You cannot
> file a lawsuit on behalf of someone else simply because you don't like me.
> The people you claim are the real authors has to file but they can't because
> they know they are not real author. If you keep egging on and accusing me of
> being a thief and threatening lawsuit then I will add superantispyware to
> spyerase like I did with bughunter. You dumb fuckers just never learn do
> you. I really want someone to sue me so I can make it public and shame the
> hell out of all you trolls.
>

OK Butts. I have "...reverse engineered, decompiled, or disassembled..."
SpyErase. I say you are NOT the orginal author and a plagiarizer.

Now come and get me. I invite you to sue me based upon the below...

SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR PCBUTTS1 SOFTWARE

This Software License Agreement ("SLA") is a legal agreement between
you (either an individual or a single entity) and PCBUTTS1 for the
PCBUTTS1 software product identified above, which includes computer
software and may include associated media, printed materials, and
"online" or electronic documentation ("SOFTWARE PRODUCT"). By
installing, copying, or otherwise using the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, you agree
to be bound by the terms of this SLA. If you do not agree to the terms
of this SLA, do not install or use the SOFTWARE PRODUCT; you may,
however, return it to your place of purchase for a full refund.

SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE

The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is protected by copyright laws and international
copyright treaties, as well as other intellectual property laws and
treaties. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed, not sold.

1 GRANT OF LICENSE. This SLA grants you the following rights:

Applications Software. You may install and use one copy of the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT, or any prior version for the same operating system,
on a single computer. The primary user of the computer on which the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT is installed may make a second copy for his or her
exclusive use on a portable computer.

Storage/Network Use. You may also store or install a copy of
the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on a storage device, such as a network server,
used only to install or run the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on your other
computers over an internal network; however, you must acquire and
dedicate a license for each separate computer on which the SOFTWARE
PRODUCT is installed or run from the storage device. A license for the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT may not be shared or used concurrently on different
computers.

License Pack. If you have acquired this SLA in a PCBUTTS1
License Pack, you may make the number of additional copies of the
computer software portion of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT accordingly to the
number of licenses acquired (stated in receipt), and you may use each
copy in the manner specified above. You are also entitled to make a
corresponding number of secondary copies for portable computer use as
specified above.

Demo. If you have acquired this SLA with PCBUTTS1 SOFTWARE
PRODUCT labeled as demo version of another PCBUTTS1 SOFTWARE
PRODUCT, you are granted unlimited number of SLA's, and you may use
unlimited number of copies in the manner specified above.

2 DESCRIPTION OF OTHER RIGHTS AND LIMITATIONS.

Not for Resale Software. Notwithstanding other sections of this
SLA, you may not resell, or otherwise transfer for value, the SOFTWARE
PRODUCT.

Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation, and
Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble
modify,the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.Pcbutts1 is the owner and author of this program.
Anyone suggesting other is guilty of slander and will be held accountable in a
court of law.

Separation of Components. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed as a
single product. Its component parts may not be separated for use on
more than one computer.

Rental. You may not rent, lease, or lend the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

Support Services. PCBUTTS1 may provide you with support
services related to the SOFTWARE PRODUCT ("Support Services"). Use of
Support Services is governed by the PCBUTTS1 policies and programs
described in "online" documentation, and/or in other Concept
Data-provided materials. Any supplemental software code provided to you
as part of the Support Services shall be considered part of the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT and subject to the terms and conditions of this SLA.
With respect to technical information you provide to PCBUTTS1 as
part of the Support Services, PCBUTTS1 may use such information for
its business purposes, including for product support and development.
PCBUTTS1 will not utilize such technical information in a form that
personally identifies you.

Software Transfer. You may permanently transfer all of your
rights under this SLA, provided you retain no copies, you transfer all
of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT (including all component parts, the media and
printed materials, any upgrades, this SLA, and, if applicable, the
Certificate of Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms of
this SLA. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is an upgrade, any transfer must
include all prior versions of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

Termination. Without prejudice to any other rights, PCBUTTS1
may terminate this SLA if you fail to comply with the terms and
conditions of this SLA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of
the SOFTWARE PRODUCT and all of its component parts.

3 INDEMNIFICATION. You accept full legal responsibility for all
spyerase recovery action performed through your use of the Program. spyerase
recovery and removal of unauthorized or illegally obtained files or
media may constitute theft and may result in your civil and criminal
prosecution. You agree to hold harmless and indemnify Licensor for any
and all demands, claims, legal action and damages, including all
attorney's fees and costs, against Licensor which arise out of your use
of the Program.

4 UPGRADES. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is labeled as an upgrade, you
must be properly licensed to use a product identified by PCBUTTS1
as being eligible for the upgrade in order to use the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.
A SOFTWARE PRODUCT labeled as an upgrade replaces and/or supplements
the product that formed the basis for your eligibility for the upgrade.
You may use the resulting upgraded product only in accordance with the
terms of this SLA. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is an upgrade of a component
of a package of software programs that you licensed as a single
product, the SOFTWARE PRODUCT may be used and transferred only as part
of that single product package and may not be separated for use on more
than one computer.

5 COPYRIGHT. All title and copyrights in and to the SOFTWARE
PRODUCT (including but not limited to any images, photographs,
animations, video, audio, music, text, and "applets" incorporated into
the SOFTWARE PRODUCT), the accompanying printed materials, and any
copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT are owned by PCBUTTS1 or its
suppliers. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is protected by copyright laws and
international treaty provisions. Therefore, you must treat the SOFTWARE
PRODUCT like any other copyrighted material except that you may install
the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on a single computer provided you keep the
original solely for backup or archival purposes. You may not copy the
printed materials accompanying the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

6 DUAL-MEDIA SOFTWARE. You may receive the SOFTWARE PRODUCT in
more than one medium. Regardless of the type or size of medium you
receive, you may use only one medium that is appropriate for your
single computer. You may not use or install the other medium on another
computer. You may not loan, rent, lease, or otherwise transfer the
other medium to another user, except as part of the permanent transfer
(as provided above) of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, PCBUTTS1 AND ITS
SUPPLIERS DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS, EITHER EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TITLE, AND NON-
INFRINGEMENT, WITH REGARD TO THE SOFTWARE PRODUCT, AND THE PROVISION OF
OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES.

LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE
LAW, IN NO EVENT SHALL PCBUTTS1 OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY
SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
(INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF BUSINESS PROFITS,
BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, LOSS OF BUSINESS INFORMATION, OR ANY OTHER
PECUNIARY LOSS) ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE
SOFTWARE PRODUCT OR THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT
SERVICES, EVEN IF PCBUTTS1 HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
SUCH DAMAGES. IN ANY CASE, PCBUTTS1'S ENTIRE LIABILITY UNDER ANY
PROVISION OF THIS SLA SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE GREATER OF THE AMOUNT
ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE SOFTWARE PRODUCT OR U.S.$5.00. BECAUSE
SOME STATES AND JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION
OF LIABILITY, THE ABOVE LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

By selecting "I accept the agreement" you agree to be bound by the terms
of this license agreement and agree to be liable should you violate this
agreement.


Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Jan 28, 2007, 2:28:46 PM1/28/07
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Chaz wrote:

> OK Butts. I have "...reverse engineered, decompiled, or disassembled..."
> SpyErase. I say you are NOT the orginal author and a plagiarizer.

Q: How do you reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble a BATCH FILE?

A: Open Notepad ...

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-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Dustin Cook

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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
news:j_ydndy0xeE8cSHY...@giganews.com:

> First Nick, the US Federal court will not entertain such frivolous
> small lawsuits. I target nobody you guys have targeted me. If anyone
> should file a lawsuit it should be me but I can't because I have not
> been defamed or slandered. pcbutts1 is not my name Christopher Butts
> is not me. You cannot file a lawsuit on behalf of someone else simply
> because you don't like me. The people you claim are the real authors
> has to file but they can't because they know they are not real author.
> If you keep egging on and accusing me of being a thief and threatening
> lawsuit then I will add superantispyware to spyerase like I did with
> bughunter. You dumb fuckers just never learn do you. I really want

PcButts, you do realize BugHunter's website gets around a hundred or so
hits per day right? :) I suppose I could issue a bulletin warning people
that spyerase will target BugHunter, but I don't think your userbase is any
real threat to BugHunter at this point in time.


The information linked on my site is factual, as is the text file included
withen the archive. People have repeatedly asked you to stop hosting their
programs, stop stealing their code and you refuse. Now, you and your ISP
should be shamed for the unethical people you are.


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Chaz

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Jan 28, 2007, 2:47:24 PM1/28/07
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:

Yeah -- funny isn't it.

I decompressed the Inno installer and fully examined Spyerase... Again :-)
Funny how Chris Butts gives me the password, over and over again.

c:\>cmd
Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
(C) Copyright 1985-2000 Microsoft Corp.

c:\>ver

Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]

c:\>tskill notepad.exe
This utility needs Terminal Services to be running.

pcbutts1

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Jan 28, 2007, 3:52:16 PM1/28/07
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Nobody has asked me anything. leythos the stalker is the only one who has
said I should stop. He owns nothing and considering that spyerase is mine
nobody can tell me to stop. Lavasoft has said nothing Spybot has said
nothing. Sysinternals has said nothing, I even posted their emails as such
as proof but you trolls conveniently leave that out of your trolling. MS has
said nothing, Adobe has said nothing, EA has said nothing, Symantec has said
nothing, McAfee has said nothing, IBM has said nothing, Dell has said
nothing, Sony has said nothing, GRC has said nothing, Nobody has said
nothing but the real thieves and Trolls. Now are you going to sit there and
tell everybody that none of the names I mentioned has any power at all to
stop me if I was doing something illegal? Are you going to say that troll?
Why the hell do you think my ISP ignores your complaints? Because they
already have proof that they are false. Can you understand that DAVID LIPMAN
they ignore your emails and everyone else's.

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Leythos

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In article <U6idnU-lmoKZkCDY...@giganews.com>, pcbutts1
@leythosthestalker.com says...

> Nobody has asked me anything.

Go back and search google moron, it's all there.

> leythos the stalker is the only one who has said I should stop.

Wrong, everyone that has code you've pirated has asked you to stop.

> He owns nothing and considering that spyerase is mine
> nobody can tell me to stop.

Wrong, you don't own SE, you pirated the contents from others.

> Lavasoft has said nothing Spybot has said
> nothing. Sysinternals has said nothing, I even posted their emails as such
> as proof but you trolls conveniently leave that out of your trolling.

Wrong, you've never posted anything from any of the above companies, but
we and they have.

> MS has
> said nothing, Adobe has said nothing, EA has said nothing, Symantec has said
> nothing, McAfee has said nothing, IBM has said nothing, Dell has said
> nothing, Sony has said nothing, GRC has said nothing, Nobody has said
> nothing but the real thieves and Trolls.

Wrong, again, everyone you've pirated code from, all of the vendors that
where you've hosted their products on your filthy site, have all asked
you to remove their applications and stop using their code.

> Now are you going to sit there and
> tell everybody that none of the names I mentioned has any power at all to
> stop me if I was doing something illegal? Are you going to say that troll?

In many cases, as has been pointed out by your hosting company, only a
court can "force" you to stop, and you're not big enough to take their
time. The small people are the ones that will take you down, they have
more at stake.



> Why the hell do you think my ISP ignores your complaints? Because they
> already have proof that they are false. Can you understand that DAVID LIPMAN
> they ignore your emails and everyone else's.

No, as was stated by your ISP, and already posted, your ISP only
requires that you make a single statement "I dispute their claims" and
they step back, absolved, until a court action requires them to take
action - you know this, it's been stated by the hosting company,
confirmed by the hosting company.

People, the small guys, are gathering your tracks, they are building
multiple DCMA Violation complaints to file in your ISP's city and with
your ISP, and your ISP/Hosting company won't be able to ignore an
official complaint - and you could be fined $150,000 for each
infraction.

Dustin Cook

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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
news:U6idnU-lmoKZkCDY...@giganews.com:

> Nobody has asked me anything. leythos the stalker is the only one who
> has said I should stop. He owns nothing and considering that spyerase
> is mine nobody can tell me to stop. Lavasoft has said nothing Spybot

Your a liar as well as a code thief. Google has a nice history of threads
your involved in. Anybody, and I do mean anybody can lookup your history.

Spyerase is stolen code, period. You have been stealing it's routines
from others for some time now. You are not a programmer of any sort, your
an idiot to put it mildly. You don't even understand how the script
works.

> has said nothing, Nobody has said nothing but the real thieves and
> Trolls. Now are you going to sit there and tell everybody that none of


Heh, the authors of the programs you host are the thieves now? Your a
riot. If it wasn't for the fact your so stupid even trying to pass off
their code as your own, but you actually think your going to be
untouchable forever... Very stupid. :)

> the names I mentioned has any power at all to stop me if I was doing
> something illegal? Are you going to say that troll? Why the hell do
> you think my ISP ignores your complaints? Because they already have


First of all, I don't think I've ever sent a complaint of any kind to
someones ISP. That's not dealing with them yourself. The ISP might have
become collateral damage in retaliation back in the old days, but that
was the price they paid for hosting idiots like yourself.

Second, Where the hell do you get off calling me a troll? :)

Third, Illegal is really a matter of getting caught. Nothing is really
illegal into someone makes an issue of it. From what I gather, your time
is going to come sooner rather than later... By the way PcButts, you made
one tiny mistake adding BugHunter to your program. Your defaming my name
and character by falsely claiming it's harmful. I have various 3rd party
independent sources who can backup my counter claim. I believe I will
look into the cost associated with legal means if you don't cease and
desist falsely removing my program.

I suspect you may also be in violation of business practices, as your
willingly removing another persons antimalware product, one which could
be considered a competitor. You've also threatened to add
Superantispyware to your program for deletion as well, One might consider
that illegal and borderline blackmail due to the conditions you placed
for it to remain off of your programs radar.

Your also denying any user who installs your stolen hosts file legitimate
access to my website, I suspect I can sue for this as well.

I'm going to check into it and get back to you. Based on the work of the
others, Christopher, you and I might actually be exchanging legal
documents soon. There are reasons I went legal my friend... :)

pcbutts1

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Jan 28, 2007, 4:54:33 PM1/28/07
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Oh nag nag nag nag don't you have anything better to do then nag. C'mon
troll sue me I dare you. Nick wanted to but thought better of it. All he'd
do is nag and make idle threats just like everybody else. You will be
defaming yourself. Troll.

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Chaz

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pcbutts1 wrote:

> Oh nag nag nag nag don't you have anything better to do then nag. C'mon
> troll sue me I dare you. Nick wanted to but thought better of it. All he'd
> do is nag and make idle threats just like everybody else. You will be
> defaming yourself. Troll.
>

I don't know Nick Skrepetos but I'll wager that his lawyer sent you a cease and
desist order and you wimped out.

We don't see you hosting Ad-aware SE and the Lavasoft definition files
anymore. This was discussed in a Lavasoft support forum and a Lavasoft
representative {Helander ? } indicated that you were sent a letter to stop
hosting their software and you did. And all along you said you were a partnet
and legal mirror. { laughing heavily }

You're just an Internet bully and when backed into a corner will cry like a 3
yr old baby.

Come on Christopher Butts, I have "...reverse engineered, decompiled, or
disassembled..."
SpyErase and I have lent it to others. I emphatically state you are NOT the
orginal author and that you have indeed plagiarized the MVP Hosts file and
Roguefix to create v10 of Spyerase.

Now come and get me. Sue me you b@stard !
In your own words...
"...are you that broke that you can't afford 50 dollars to file a
lawsuit?"

Dustin Cook

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Jan 28, 2007, 5:33:17 PM1/28/07
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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
news:9cSdnXe5IvEBhiDY...@giganews.com:

> Oh nag nag nag nag don't you have anything better to do then nag.
> C'mon troll sue me I dare you. Nick wanted to but thought better of
> it. All he'd do is nag and make idle threats just like everybody else.
> You will be defaming yourself. Troll.

I won't nag you, I'm simply including a file that details the type of
person you are. Everytime somebody downloads BugHunter or even visits the
site, they're going to learn about you if they haven't already. This only
goes to further prove what people have been saying about you all along. :)

Have a nice day Christopher. Don't forget to check my site later this
evening, An update is scheduled for release. *grin*


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Last updated: January 27th, 2007

Dustin Cook

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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
news:9cSdnXe5IvEBhiDY...@giganews.com:


I suppose you didn't read my post to well. I said I'd check into my legal
options regarding your actions against my software. That's all.

BugHunter now scans for over 5000 malware executables, and warns people
about you. Nice huh? :)


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Last updated: January 28th, 2007

James E. Morrow

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Jan 28, 2007, 8:46:24 PM1/28/07
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In article <Xns98C6B2978F3...@69.28.186.121>,
spamfilterine...@nowhere.com says...

> "pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
> news:9cSdnXe5IvEBhiDY...@giganews.com:
>
> > Oh nag nag nag nag don't you have anything better to do then nag.
> > C'mon troll sue me I dare you. Nick wanted to but thought better of
> > it. All he'd do is nag and make idle threats just like everybody else.
> > You will be defaming yourself. Troll.
>
> I won't nag you, I'm simply including a file that details the type of
> person you are. Everytime somebody downloads BugHunter or even visits the
> site, they're going to learn about you if they haven't already. This only
> goes to further prove what people have been saying about you all along. :)
>
> Have a nice day Christopher. Don't forget to check my site later this
> evening, An update is scheduled for release. *grin*
>
>
>

So to summarize Mr. Butts is a plagiarizer and a prevaricator. There is
no honor among thrives.The thing stolen was intellectual property.
"Reverse engineering" is a euphemism for stealing.

--
James E. Morrow
Email to: jamese...@email.com

pcbutts1

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Jan 28, 2007, 9:44:40 PM1/28/07
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More false positives Dustin. You really should test your program before you
put it out there. Spyerase has no false positives.

Log file opened: 17:33:34 - 01-28-2007
BugHunter v2.1 using database date/time 01-28-2007|17:50:08
Using configuration file: BUGHUNT.INI

=> Nfo: Recursive scanning is enabled.
=> Nfo: BugHunter is only logging found malware...
Action taken, and result.

C:\PROGRA~1\NPSOFT~1\WTR-WE~1\ICSHAR~1.DLL - Full Match! 1:1264 - Scanning
Only
C:\WINDOWS\INSTAL~1\{B510A~1\NEWSHO~1.EXE - Malicious JavaScript 2:443 -
Scannin

Complete scanning result of "ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib.dll", received in
VirusTotal at 01.29.2007, 03:18:41 (CET).

Antivirus Version Update Result
AntiVir 7.3.0.32 01.27.2007 no virus found
Authentium 4.93.8 01.26.2007 no virus found
Avast 4.7.936.0 01.29.2007 no virus found
AVG 386 01.28.2007 no virus found
BitDefender 7.2 01.29.2007 no virus found
CAT-QuickHeal 9.00 01.27.2007 no virus found
ClamAV devel-20060426 01.28.2007 no virus found
DrWeb 4.33 01.29.2007 no virus found
eSafe 7.0.14.0 01.28.2007 no virus found
eTrust-InoculateIT 23.73.127 01.29.2007 no virus found
eTrust-Vet 30.3.3353 01.27.2007 no virus found
Ewido 4.0 01.28.2007 no virus found
Fortinet 2.85.0.0 01.28.2007 no virus found
F-Prot 4.2.1.29 01.26.2007 W32/ZlobX.GCO
Ikarus T3.1.0.27 01.28.2007 no virus found
Kaspersky 4.0.2.24 01.29.2007 no virus found
McAfee 4950 01.26.2007 no virus found
Microsoft 1.2101 01.29.2007 no virus found
NOD32v2 2015 01.29.2007 no virus found
Norman 5.80.02 01.26.2007 no virus found
Panda 9.0.0.4 01.28.2007 no virus found
Prevx1 V2 01.29.2007 no virus found
Sophos 4.13.0 01.28.2007 no virus found
Sunbelt 2.2.907.0 01.26.2007 no virus found
TheHacker 6.0.3.159 01.28.2007 no virus found
UNA 1.83 01.26.2007 no virus found
VBA32 3.11.2 01.28.2007 no virus found
VirusBuster 4.3.19:9 01.28.2007 no virus found


Aditional Information
File size: 122880 bytes
MD5: 555a3998407435703f9c14350a929846
SHA1: 34893912cb60a1dbdb3b50d1205902769acbfcca

Complete scanning result of "NewShortcut1.exe", received in VirusTotal at
01.29.2007, 03:31:59 (CET).

Antivirus Version Update Result
AntiVir 7.3.0.32 01.27.2007 no virus found
Authentium 4.93.8 01.26.2007 no virus found
Avast 4.7.936.0 01.29.2007 no virus found
AVG 386 01.28.2007 no virus found
BitDefender 7.2 01.29.2007 no virus found
CAT-QuickHeal 9.00 01.27.2007 no virus found
ClamAV devel-20060426 01.28.2007 no virus found
DrWeb 4.33 01.29.2007 no virus found
eSafe 7.0.14.0 01.28.2007 no virus found
eTrust-InoculateIT 23.73.127 01.29.2007 no virus found
eTrust-Vet 30.3.3353 01.27.2007 no virus found
Ewido 4.0 01.28.2007 no virus found
Fortinet 2.85.0.0 01.28.2007 no virus found
F-Prot 4.2.1.29 01.26.2007 no virus found
Ikarus T3.1.0.27 01.28.2007 no virus found
Kaspersky 4.0.2.24 01.29.2007 no virus found
McAfee 4950 01.26.2007 no virus found
Microsoft 1.2101 01.29.2007 no virus found
NOD32v2 2015 01.29.2007 no virus found
Norman 5.80.02 01.26.2007 no virus found
Panda 9.0.0.4 01.28.2007 no virus found
Prevx1 V2 01.29.2007 no virus found
Sophos 4.13.0 01.28.2007 no virus found
Sunbelt 2.2.907.0 01.26.2007 no virus found
TheHacker 6.0.3.159 01.28.2007 no virus found
UNA 1.83 01.26.2007 no virus found
VBA32 3.11.2 01.29.2007 no virus found
VirusBuster 4.3.19:9 01.28.2007 no virus found


Aditional Information
File size: 49152 bytes
MD5: b164396de25f846452e9a4f7cc17a5fc
SHA1: 2d5207fc361572158c86f176c8ec14c0864441ae


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"Dustin Cook" <spamfilterine...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

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Dustin Cook

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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in news:eI-
dna2eF7gBwiDYn...@giganews.com:

> W32/ZlobX.GCO

Tsk... Pc Butts, F-prot also considers the file bad. Want to email them so
I can see for sure?

Considering the application has signatures for over 5,000 programs, it's
entirely possible for it to mistake an innocent file for a bad one.

False alarms are a part of life with signature based detection technology.
Of course I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this, since your
script doesn't make use of signatured detection.

As for false alarms, Pcbutts, you don't actually know first hand if it does
or not. If the original authors deliberatly sabotaged a version in the
hopes you'd steal it, you'd introduce whatever bugs and intentional
failures they installed. Why is this? Because spyerase isn't yours, and you
can't read code. be it script, assembly or another form of text.

Dustin Cook

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Jan 28, 2007, 10:37:30 PM1/28/07
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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
news:eI-dna2eF7gBwiDY...@giganews.com:

F-prot considers it a zlob variant, BugHunter doesn't have an id string
for that record yet. You'd have to send me the file so I can see it. It's
apparently in the first signature file anyways...

Hmm... The JavaScript scanning routine usually doesn't have false alarms,
although it could be the wrong ID string for that hit. Once again, I'd
need to see the file.


By the way, Not that this matters to a person who misleads people, steals
code, and deletes legitimate programs without warning his users he's
doing so, threatens to automatically delete other vendor(s) applications
if they don't keep quiet, but you do realize, the problems you've
reported are not "bugs" in the program? They might be false alarms, and
reside in the signature files, not in the executable.

Please learn the difference. :)

---Fitz---

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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in message
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| If anyone should file a
| lawsuit it should be me but I can't because I have not been defamed or
| slandered.

<SNIP>
Now that's the first thing you've said that IS true! Amen to that!!!


4Q

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Jan 29, 2007, 9:17:03 PM1/29/07
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> "pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in

<snip funny stuff>

Raid you are a riot man! I always knew it was worthwhile taking an
interest in your affairs. I'm looking forward to adding PCBUTTS onto
your long list of cyber-buddies for ppl to read about.

Btw I've downloaded the entire alt.comp.virus.source.code archives now
and it made me laugh. 10yrs ago you playing the bad boy virus dude
under different alias... Hope Butts doesn't try to justify tagging
your legit Bughunter in his stolen bat script, as suspect, due to the
fact you have a dubious malware history.

This is goodguy/badguy role you've been living is hacker urban legend
played out for the Usenet archives. *thinks book/film rights*


4Q (your Usenet buddy and chronicler)

p.s. Is Bughunter written with the same
ASIC compiler you used for Toadie, Krile, Weed etc?

p.p.s. Hope the Spyware industry star act *PCButts* doesn't take
umbrage with me for adding him to my Usenet characters list.

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4Q

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Jan 30, 2007, 7:17:25 AM1/30/07
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Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> In article <1170123423....@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
> Wow!
>
> I've had that damn name Dustin Cook running around the edges of my mind
> since I started reading this group a few weeks ago.
>
> Raid!!!

He's not in denial about his past.

>
> That miserable mother fucker is only alive because people couldn't get
> there hands on him in person.

How many times has this been said, yet noone ever comes from behind
the safety of the keyboard... And don't forget kids Raid has guns, he
shoots first asks later. (best to use a sniper rifle if you don't book
an appointment)


>
> He is one of the biggest, lying, cheating, virus-writing pieces of shit
> ever to access Usenet.

You exaggerate! Don't make my hero out to be worse than he is.


>
> Any one who wants to find out about this p.o.s. called Dustin Cook,
> a.k.a. RAID, can find his history by searching the Google/Deja archives
> in regard to alt.comp.virus and a couple of other virus groups.

Yes he's definately one of the more interesting characters. You won't
get bored reading about our Raid. :))


>
> Good Lord! You mean this asshole is putting out software? Lots of luck
> when he decides the time is right, meaning he has enough suckers
> downloading his 'updates.' That's when he'll revert to RAID and screw
> everyone who downloads his updates by loading them with one bad mofo
> viurs/trojan package. Kiss your machines good-bye, kiddies.

It's going to be an uphill struggle, that's for sure, convincing Joe
Public he's reformed. I'd advise him to release Bughunter as an
Opensource project and people will be able to see for themselves that
he's okay.

>
> (Jeez! That name has been bugging me for weeks. Now I know why. Thanks
> for the heads-up, buddy.)

No problem... And just to let you know Raid doesn't mind me tagging
along stirring it up abit. Wouldn't life be so boring without
characters like Dustin Cook (aka Raid)?


4Q (A Raid fan)

Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 11:41:12 AM1/30/07
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"4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in news:1170123423.220883.37610
@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:

> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> "pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
>
> <snip funny stuff>
>
> Raid you are a riot man! I always knew it was worthwhile taking an
> interest in your affairs. I'm looking forward to adding PCBUTTS onto
> your long list of cyber-buddies for ppl to read about.

Raid bows.. :)

I sure have met many thru my career... lol



> Btw I've downloaded the entire alt.comp.virus.source.code archives now
> and it made me laugh. 10yrs ago you playing the bad boy virus dude
> under different alias... Hope Butts doesn't try to justify tagging
> your legit Bughunter in his stolen bat script, as suspect, due to the
> fact you have a dubious malware history.

Pcbutts wasn't aware of my history at the time, he didn't bother to check
into things before he declared me, yet another troll against him. lol :)

His only reason for including BugHunter in that stolen script is payback
for the pcbutts.txt file I'm hosting now and including with BugHunter.

It would almost be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic and true. :(



> This is goodguy/badguy role you've been living is hacker urban legend
> played out for the Usenet archives. *thinks book/film rights*

Once a hacker, always a hacker. But! That doesn't mean one must pursue
the same interests... Besides, hackers are good for things. :)

Think, DRM, blu-ray, all cracked thanks to people like myself.



> p.s. Is Bughunter written with the same
> ASIC compiler you used for Toadie, Krile, Weed etc?

It is. Some of the routines are borrowed from toadie and irok, namely the
file io routines. That's why I could brag about my scantimes... I'm
quick, I know this, everybody knows this. :)

The indexing routines are reworked code from the rshack campaign editor I
wrote years ago. I see no reason to reinvent usable code. :)



> p.p.s. Hope the Spyware industry star act *PCButts* doesn't take
> umbrage with me for adding him to my Usenet characters list.

Awe c'mon, another fan for your club. :)

--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Last updated: January 28th, 2007

Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 11:48:32 AM1/30/07
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>
> Wow!
>
> I've had that damn name Dustin Cook running around the edges of my mind
> since I started reading this group a few weeks ago.
>
> Raid!!!

Hey, your a smart one. :)



> That miserable mother fucker is only alive because people couldn't get
> there hands on him in person.

Heheh. I'm glad to see some old fans remember my old ways... I suppose.
:)



> He is one of the biggest, lying, cheating, virus-writing pieces of shit
> ever to access Usenet.

Awe, that's not fair. What you actually meant was "Raid is one of the
most outspoken virus writers on the net". The only thing I covered was my
identity, and I do that so well, it took people ages to accept the fact
that Dustin Cook and Raid are one in the same person. I never cheated
anyone out of anything, unless you wrote some pOS software and tried to
charge for it, I was guilty of writing cracks and keygens then...

As far as a piece of shit, thats a personal opinion. :)



> Any one who wants to find out about this p.o.s. called Dustin Cook,
> a.k.a. RAID, can find his history by searching the Google/Deja archives
> in regard to alt.comp.virus and a couple of other virus groups.

Why search just the groups? just put raid virus writer in google.com,
even more juicy information for you and your ilk to chew on.

I haven't mislead anyone, I told everyone that Dustin Cook is Raid, and
that Yes, I did write virus software, yes I am reformed and I no longer
do those things and haven't for a long time. 7+ years now

> Good Lord! You mean this asshole is putting out software? Lots of luck
> when he decides the time is right, meaning he has enough suckers
> downloading his 'updates.' That's when he'll revert to RAID and screw

Ya know, for someone who thinks he knows me, you don't seem to know much
at all... I was always putting out software, even then. Keygens, cracks,
saved game editors, etc etc etc. I have lots of even older software
released via my real name that predates all of my viruses.

> everyone who downloads his updates by loading them with one bad mofo
> viurs/trojan package. Kiss your machines good-bye, kiddies.

The updates are primarily database signatures, which can be checked if
your so inclined. I've submitted BugHunter to various websites in an
effort to quell any suspicions of it not doing as I claim, or doing more
than I claim.

BugHunter is under a microscope due to the very past you seem to hate me
for, If anybody had found anything out of whack, they'd have said so by
now.



> (Jeez! That name has been bugging me for weeks. Now I know why. Thanks
> for the heads-up, buddy.)

Were you someone who got infected then?


--
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Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Last updated: January 28th, 2007

Dustin Cook

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"4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in news:1170159445.361423.125500
@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:

Nopes...



>>
>> That miserable mother fucker is only alive because people couldn't get
>> there hands on him in person.
>
> How many times has this been said, yet noone ever comes from behind
> the safety of the keyboard... And don't forget kids Raid has guns, he
> shoots first asks later. (best to use a sniper rifle if you don't book
> an appointment)

I was even willing to meet a person once, and they declined... :)
Concerned for their safety I believe it was.. hehe.



>
>>
>> He is one of the biggest, lying, cheating, virus-writing pieces of
shit
>> ever to access Usenet.
>
> You exaggerate! Don't make my hero out to be worse than he is.

Indeed. I liked being the evil villan, but even I had my limits. :)



> Yes he's definately one of the more interesting characters. You won't
> get bored reading about our Raid. :))

I promise that the old articles will provide you with more entertainment
than any articles ever written about PcButts.


>
>>
>> Good Lord! You mean this asshole is putting out software? Lots of luck
>> when he decides the time is right, meaning he has enough suckers
>> downloading his 'updates.' That's when he'll revert to RAID and screw
>> everyone who downloads his updates by loading them with one bad mofo
>> viurs/trojan package. Kiss your machines good-bye, kiddies.
>
> It's going to be an uphill struggle, that's for sure, convincing Joe
> Public he's reformed. I'd advise him to release Bughunter as an
> Opensource project and people will be able to see for themselves that
> he's okay.

Joe Public couldn't read code.. Making bughunter open source wouldn't
help.

> 4Q (A Raid fan)

Yea, my biographer. I'll see him on tv one day narrating the history of
virus writers... :)


--
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Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

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Leythos

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Jan 30, 2007, 3:50:23 PM1/30/07
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:57:51 +0100, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> Well, people,there you have it. Anyone who downloads *anything* by this
> virus-writing-passing piece of shit deserves exactly what they will get
> in one of his 'updates' sooner or later.

Oh, come on, that's what we think about PCBUTTS1.

> In case you still haven't figured it out, read this thread again. Does
> the word 'sociopath' come to mind?

Sheesh, all you have to do is read any thread with the word PCBUTTS1 in it
to see a sociopath.

For all we know, this could be another PCBUTTS1 nym posting this about DC
and it would fit some of the things that PCBUTTS1 has done many times.

4Q

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Jan 30, 2007, 6:15:05 PM1/30/07
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Anonyma wrote:

<snip>

> > the safety of the keyboard... And don't forget kids Raid has guns, he
> > shoots first asks later. (best to use a sniper rifle if you don't book
> > an appointment)
> >
> >
>

> Ha! The Raid we all knew back when was a fuck'n homo pansy who hid for
> his own safety after starting shit he couldn't handle.

details.

>I thought the
> faggot prick would have passed on from AIDS by now. Unfortunately, they
> came out with drugs that saved bung-holers like him from an early
> demise, giving his kind untold more chances to pass around more AIDS.
> In Raid's case, he not only passes around the AIDS virus, but the
> software type, too.

I wondered what his mystery life threatening illness was!


> Step right up, people. Get Raidy's latest vehicle of future disaster,
> BugHunter! (Gee, imagine that. Raid writing anti-malware software -
> NOT! SUCKERS!

See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource and
your peers can vouch for your integrity.


4Q

pcbutts1

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Jan 30, 2007, 7:43:09 PM1/30/07
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I knew all about for a long time. People like you don't change. Your past
will hunt you like this guy
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GWYA%2CGWYA%3A2005-49%2CGWYA%3Aen&q=Patchou%27s+MVP+Award+&btnG=Search

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"Dustin Cook" <spamfilterine...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

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Leythos

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Jan 30, 2007, 7:52:49 PM1/30/07
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:43:09 -0800, pcbutts1 wrote:
> I knew all about for a long time. People like you don't change. Your past
> will hunt you like this guy

And now you know why you were NEVER a MVP, will never be an MVP, and can
only fool the ignorant.

You've been exposed, caught stealing code from MVP's, and MS also removes
your posts when they are alerted or find them on their own....

Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 7:59:22 PM1/30/07
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Anonyma <anon-b...@deuxpi.ca> wrote in
news:5f0661aee847ea07...@deuxpi.ca:

> In article <1170159445.3...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>

> Ha! The Raid we all knew back when was a fuck'n homo pansy who hid for

> his own safety after starting shit he couldn't handle. I thought the


The Raid we all knew? When was this? Raid never hid from anybody... Are
we dropping names in a silly effort to become l33t or something?

You would be? C'mon, don't be shy, if you knew me, you have the balls to
tell us who you are. I'm waiting...

> Step right up, people. Get Raidy's latest vehicle of future disaster,
> BugHunter! (Gee, imagine that. Raid writing anti-malware software -
> NOT! SUCKERS!

The only suckers here are you and the trolls like ya. BugHunter again has
been under a microscope for sometime. I maintain relationships with
various antimalware experts as I have for years, I maintain the same
relationships I had in the vx scene as well. Neither side seems to have
any issue with BugHunter. It does only as I claim.

Think about it. If I did put something in it, don't you think the
programmers in various companies who are no doubt better coders than
myself would have found it AND reported it by now? :)

I've only been working on and promoting the program for 2 years now.
Surely if it was malicious, somebody would have found the code by now...


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Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
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email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Last updated: January 28th, 2007

Leythos

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Jan 30, 2007, 8:02:52 PM1/30/07
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:59:22 +0000, Dustin Cook wrote:
> I've only been working on and promoting the program for 2 years now.
> Surely if it was malicious, somebody would have found the code by now...

Make life simple Dustin:

Are you now or have you ever been the person RAID by any name, method, or
other?

Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 8:02:41 PM1/30/07
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"4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in news:1170198905.576883.169420
@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> Anonyma wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> > the safety of the keyboard... And don't forget kids Raid has guns,
he
>> > shoots first asks later. (best to use a sniper rifle if you don't
book
>> > an appointment)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Ha! The Raid we all knew back when was a fuck'n homo pansy who hid for
>> his own safety after starting shit he couldn't handle.
>
> details.

I'm waiting for those myself.
Ask Cyberyoda 4q, He knows me in person. We've met. :)



> I wondered what his mystery life threatening illness was!

Heh, it's not aids. I'm squeaky clean. If your that curious, follow here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1
&q=alpha+anti+one+trypsin+deficiency&spell=1

> See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource and
> your peers can vouch for your integrity.

I don't need to release BugHunter as open source, I already have people
vouching for me. :)

http://www.snapfiles.com/get/bughunter.html
http://www.completelyfreesoftware.com/link_du_w31_BUGHUN.html

Seriously 4Q, if avers or vxers found something to burn me with in
BugHunter, it's been two years..nobody has said a word yet... Ho hum.


--
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web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Last updated: January 28th, 2007

Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 8:04:53 PM1/30/07
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Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anon...@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote
in news:dc06b99bb86f6e2b...@remailer.cyberiade.it:

>
> Well, people,there you have it. Anyone who downloads *anything* by
> this virus-writing-passing piece of shit deserves exactly what they
> will get in one of his 'updates' sooner or later.

Did you have trouble reading what I said, or just can't comprehend english?
Those updates have been coming for 2 years now, when do you suppose
something else might happen? 2 years is a long time to wait don't ya think?



> In case you still haven't figured it out, read this thread again. Does
> the word 'sociopath' come to mind?


Awe, Did you get that from Rhonda? LoL!

Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 8:09:35 PM1/30/07
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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
news:ra6dnRd4D8u9eyLY...@giganews.com:

> I knew all about for a long time. People like you don't change. Your
> past will hunt you like this guy


My past? Laugh laugh. If I was concerned, I'd have released BugHunter
under another name, and nobody would be the wiser.

You don't know anybody like me PcButts, for the record. Since your
contradicting yourself tho, I'll bite...

If you "knew all about" me, as you say, what on earth made you even try
playing games with me on usenet? You had to have known I'd eventually get
tired of playing with you, and tell you how it really was. Your a code
thief, being as you know me, you know I know this.. Why even try to
defend yourself?

Code is what I know pcbutts, my history should have told you that, You
can't bullshit your way, and you should have known this. I really,
honestly, think your bullshitting now.

If you "knew" what people like me are, you wouldn't want to engage in a
battle here, you certainly wouldn't want to discuss code with me, yet
you've tried several times. heh...

Dustin Cook

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Leythos <vo...@nowhere.lan> wrote in news:1170205372_8021
@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:59:22 +0000, Dustin Cook wrote:
>> I've only been working on and promoting the program for 2 years now.
>> Surely if it was malicious, somebody would have found the code by
now...
>
> Make life simple Dustin:
>
> Are you now or have you ever been the person RAID by any name, method,
or
> other?
>

Yep. I never disputed this. Raid is a Vxer alias of mine. I am
responsible for writing alot of malicious code under the name, I don't
deny this.

That's not what this is about tho. :)

Look, it all boils down to earning a persons trust. Over time, more
individuals will find that BugHunter is not harmful, and that yes, I am
reformed. Others will not. I will simply not be able to please everyone.
That's life, I can handle it.

As I said, I suspect with more time, BugHunter will become recommended
more and more, and I will have the respect of individuals who once
thought I was evil. :)

David H. Lipman

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From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>


|
| See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource and
| your peers can vouch for your integrity.
|
| 4Q

BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of exploitation.

Like many other VX'ers of the past, Dustin has jumped over the fence. My ONLY faer is if
Dustin is sitting on the fence and has completely crossed over. :-)

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm


David H. Lipman

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From: "Leythos" <vo...@nowhere.lan>


|
| Make life simple Dustin:
|
| Are you now or have you ever been the person RAID by any name, method, or
| other?
|

Leythos:

Dustin has already, in numerous locations, admitted to to being RAiD/SLAM. I and others in
alt.comp.virus have known about this for quite a while. His host, it-mate.co.uk , is
also fully aware of this.

Leythos

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Jan 30, 2007, 8:23:22 PM1/30/07
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:18:07 +0000, Dustin Cook wrote:

> Leythos <vo...@nowhere.lan> wrote in news:1170205372_8021
> @sp6iad.superfeed.net:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:59:22 +0000, Dustin Cook wrote:
>>> I've only been working on and promoting the program for 2 years now.
>>> Surely if it was malicious, somebody would have found the code by
> now...
>>
>> Make life simple Dustin:
>>
>> Are you now or have you ever been the person RAID by any name, method,
> or
>> other?
>>
>>
> Yep. I never disputed this. Raid is a Vxer alias of mine. I am
> responsible for writing alot of malicious code under the name, I don't
> deny this.
>
> That's not what this is about tho. :)
>
> Look, it all boils down to earning a persons trust. Over time, more
> individuals will find that BugHunter is not harmful, and that yes, I am
> reformed. Others will not. I will simply not be able to please everyone.
> That's life, I can handle it.
>
> As I said, I suspect with more time, BugHunter will become recommended
> more and more, and I will have the respect of individuals who once
> thought I was evil. :)

I guess what I was trying to do was end the name game and just get on with
it. I've known a number of good people that have turned bad and a number
of bad people that have turned good, so I would rather let stand the
actions than some history of years ago.

It's like PCBUTTS1, his actions speak "Theif", "Porn Deviant", "Pirate",
"Unthical hack", "liar" etc...

In the years I've been reading posts from you I've not seen anything bad
that I could point at you.

Leythos

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:21:42 +0000, David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "Leythos" <vo...@nowhere.lan>
>
>
> |
> | Make life simple Dustin:
> |
> | Are you now or have you ever been the person RAID by any name, method, or
> | other?
> |
>
> Leythos:
>
> Dustin has already, in numerous locations, admitted to to being RAiD/SLAM. I and others in
> alt.comp.virus have known about this for quite a while. His host, it-mate.co.uk , is
> also fully aware of this.

I didn't have a problem with it, just wanted to put an end to the who is
who name game.

Dustin Cook

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Leythos <vo...@nowhere.lan> wrote in
news:1170206...@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

Oops. Sorry man, I thought you were seriously asking. :)



> In the years I've been reading posts from you I've not seen anything
> bad that I could point at you.

Woot! I appreciate it. :)

4Q

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Jan 30, 2007, 9:19:14 PM1/30/07
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in news:1170198905.576883.169420
> @a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Anonyma wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> > the safety of the keyboard... And don't forget kids Raid has guns,
> he
> >> > shoots first asks later. (best to use a sniper rifle if you don't
> book
> >> > an appointment)
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ha! The Raid we all knew back when was a fuck'n homo pansy who hid for
> >> his own safety after starting shit he couldn't handle.
> >
> > details.
>
> I'm waiting for those myself.

I'm guessing the anon poster won't come up with anything... I think it
was probably just a cage rattler.

> Ask Cyberyoda 4q, He knows me in person. We've met. :)

Nah, he's not very civil with me... well ever since I printed a
conversation about his limited knowledge of neural networks.


>
> > I wondered what his mystery life threatening illness was!
>
> Heh, it's not aids. I'm squeaky clean. If your that curious, follow here:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1
> &q=alpha+anti+one+trypsin+deficiency&spell=1

Ahh, liver disease. You didn't eat all your vegi's like moma told you
to, now you suffer? ;]]

>
> > See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource and
> > your peers can vouch for your integrity.
>
> I don't need to release BugHunter as open source, I already have people
> vouching for me. :)
>
> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/bughunter.html
> http://www.completelyfreesoftware.com/link_du_w31_BUGHUN.html

Oh well, I guess you won't budge on this issue.

Anyhow just incase anyone is interested in what Raid's ASIC code might
look like here is a sample (Weed v1.0)

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.virus.source.code/msg/
600600e471413116?dmode=source&output=gplain

An interesting mix of a high level language mixed with low level
assembly calls.


>
> Seriously 4Q, if avers or vxers found something to burn me with in
> BugHunter, it's been two years..nobody has said a word yet... Ho hum.

Yeah but the skeptics will always be on your back saying no smoke
without fire.


4Q

Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 9:36:15 PM1/30/07
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"4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in
news:1170209954.8...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> I'm waiting for those myself.
>
> I'm guessing the anon poster won't come up with anything... I think it
> was probably just a cage rattler.

I figured as much. I really don't remember hiding from anyone. heh.



>> Ask Cyberyoda 4q, He knows me in person. We've met. :)
>
> Nah, he's not very civil with me... well ever since I printed a
> conversation about his limited knowledge of neural networks.

Hehehehe...



>
>>
>> > I wondered what his mystery life threatening illness was!
>>
>> Heh, it's not aids. I'm squeaky clean. If your that curious, follow
>> here:
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd

>> =1 &q=alpha+anti+one+trypsin+deficiency&spell=1


>
> Ahh, liver disease. You didn't eat all your vegi's like moma told you
> to, now you suffer? ;]]

Hahah, yea, that did it... /sarcasm :)



>>
>> > See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource
>> > and your peers can vouch for your integrity.
>>
>> I don't need to release BugHunter as open source, I already have
>> people vouching for me. :)
>>
>> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/bughunter.html
>> http://www.completelyfreesoftware.com/link_du_w31_BUGHUN.html
>
> Oh well, I guess you won't budge on this issue.
>
> Anyhow just incase anyone is interested in what Raid's ASIC code might
> look like here is a sample (Weed v1.0)


Wow.. That's old. :) My code is much cleaner now. hehehhe.



> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.virus.source.code/msg/
> 600600e471413116?dmode=source&output=gplain
>
> An interesting mix of a high level language mixed with low level
> assembly calls.

Yeps.. I like it.



> Yeah but the skeptics will always be on your back saying no smoke
> without fire.


Ah well.

pcbutts1

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Jan 30, 2007, 9:56:41 PM1/30/07
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You are scum. I have answered every code question asked and all you and the
stalker can do is come back with some lame ass excuse. Even the great Nick
Superantispyware has challenged me and had nothing to say when I got it
right. All he can does was twist it up and say I am leaving systems
vulnerable. What a crock of shit you people are. That's one reason,
irrelevant as it may be because I have stolen nothing, why you will never
win any lawsuit against me. Your past will always haunt you.


--

Newsgroup Trolls. Read about mine here http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads
The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com, David
H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell

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Leythos

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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:56:41 -0800, pcbutts1 wrote:
> Your past will always haunt you

And your present and your own website haunts you!

Jim Kitahara

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Jan 30, 2007, 10:32:41 PM1/30/07
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pcbutts1 wrote:

> You are scum. I have answered every code question asked and all you and the
> stalker can do is come back with some lame ass excuse. Even the great Nick
> Superantispyware has challenged me and had nothing to say when I got it
> right. All he can does was twist it up and say I am leaving systems
> vulnerable. What a crock of shit you people are. That's one reason,
> irrelevant as it may be because I have stolen nothing, why you will never
> win any lawsuit against me. Your past will always haunt you.
>

Butts YOU are the scum.

You couldn't answer ONE question that Cook gave you.
Cook is honest about his past and his present.
Butts you are a liar and a thief and have the knowledge of a grasshopper.
Your past and present will haunt you.
Cook's past is behind him and he has MORE trust within the anti malware
community than you will *EVER* have.
You can not steal peer respect. Your continued lies sink you deeper and
deeper.
The only one you are fooling sits between your chair and keyboard.

That accident really scrambled those two brain cells in that thick skull of
yours.
You haven't gotten anything right. You are totally dillusional.
Get help. See a shrink. Get the psycho analysis you so desperately need. You
are in your own world.
The real world knows of your sins and misgivings. You will not deceive anybody
but internet newbies.

--
J. Kitahara


pcbutts1

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Jan 30, 2007, 10:53:08 PM1/30/07
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You are a sick fuck. You can't read for one thing, go back and read it
asshole. Then you post using the name of one of the persons involved it that
deadly accident that killed 3 of my friends and severely injured 7 others
including my friend Chris. What a distasteful lowlife scum you are.

--

Newsgroup Trolls. Read about mine here http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads
The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com, David
H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell

"Jim Kitahara" <jim.ki...@NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 10:55:22 PM1/30/07
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"pcbutts1" <pcbu...@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
news:RIadnWHur9H2mF3Y...@giganews.com:

> You are scum. I have answered every code question asked and all you
> and the stalker can do is come back with some lame ass excuse. Even
> the great Nick Superantispyware has challenged me and had nothing to
> say when I got it right. All he can does was twist it up and say I am
> leaving systems vulnerable. What a crock of shit you people are.
> That's one reason, irrelevant as it may be because I have stolen
> nothing, why you will never win any lawsuit against me. Your past will
> always haunt you.

You haven't answered any of my code questions. I do have another one for
you however, You suggested to another poster that BugHunter used some
form of exploit to get the filenames of things to scan. Could you
elaborate? Here's how the filename is determined.. It's source code, it's
in asic, so I assume? even you can follow along.

coolmodule=1
while coolmodule=1
call sub"GetNameF" filename$
call sub "GetSizeF" filesize&
gosub build_full_filename:
gosub scan_it:
locate rows,cols
call sub "FindNextF" errcode
if errcode=0 then
totalfiles&=totalfiles&+1&
localcount&=localcount&+1&
else
coolmodule=7
endif
wend

The routines, Getname, Getsize and Findnext are all using standard dos
interrupt calls well documented in ralph browns interrupt list, and many
old books. They are routines by themselves for speed and so I didn't have
to worry about mucking up other variables in the code... :)

Nick has challenged you to an open phone call, you so far, haven't taken
up the offer to prove your knowledge of malware, or even programming in
general.

Your program does leave systems vulnerable, by erasing a superior
program. :) It also doesn't use signature technology of any kind, it
relies completely on filenames. :( Very bad. Did you actually test tskill
on windows 2000? It will run, with extensions, that you've forgotten to..
install with your stolen script... By the way, usually when something is
installed, it's not just copied to a folder.

I haven't attempted a lawsuit against you, I told you I'd look into my
options. You haven't really done anything for me to spend the money
pursuing yet. Now, if I caught you trying to pass BugHunter off as your
own or something, then you and I might wind up in a court room, and no,
my past wouldn't be an issue. It would be a matter of copyright and
distribution. My right to protect it.

Leythos

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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:53:08 -0800, pcbutts1 wrote:
> You are a sick fuck

Just look at the content you host on your public website - you've got no
right to call anyone Sick.

Message has been deleted

Dustin Cook

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Jan 30, 2007, 11:34:37 PM1/30/07
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Anonyma <anon-b...@deuxpi.ca> wrote in
news:dce0b79e7c41bb29...@deuxpi.ca:

> In article <Xns98C8CE8CA64...@69.28.186.121>
> Dustin Cook <spamfilterine...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> snip


>
>> Look, it all boils down to earning a persons trust.
>

> snip


>>
>> --
>> Dustin Cook
>> Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
>

> Out of the mouths of sociopaths....
>
> That's exactly what I predicted in another post. Once he has a large
> enough group of suckers hooked on BugHunter, he'll spring his virus
> crap on them just like the ol' Raid[slam] would.

Your doing way to many drugs...

> Go ahead, jerks. Download his BugHunter crap. See what happens to your
> comps on some future date.
>
> I'll be reading here, waiting for the Big Laugh.

Do you really have that much free time? It'll be a long time....

> [Check Google/Deja for Raid[slam] posts in alt.comp.virus and other
> virus groups during the past 10 years or so.)

Feel free, I didn't hide the fact who I am.

--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Last updated: January 30th, 2007

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Dustin Cook

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Anonyma <anon-b...@deuxpi.ca> wrote in
news:50c3c64893369eb9...@deuxpi.ca:

> In article <Xns98C8DBCBA8F...@69.28.186.121>
> Dustin Cook <spamfilterine...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> shit as usual
>
>>
> snipped
>
> Where's your cornholing buddy, Pax? You two were a hot item back when.
> He lives on that same Midget Isle with you.


What a big bad troll. Dropping names... heheh.. Your bitching about
something I did years ago, Years.. hahah.. Sheesh


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
email: bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

Last updated: January 30th, 2007

Rhonda Lea Kirk

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Jan 31, 2007, 11:37:38 AM1/31/07
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pcbutts1 wrote:

> You are scum.

PKB.

> I have answered every code question asked and all you
> and the stalker can do is come back with some lame ass excuse. Even
> the great Nick Superantispyware has challenged me and had nothing to
> say when I got it right. All he can does was twist it up and say I
> am leaving systems vulnerable. What a crock of shit you people are.
> That's one reason, irrelevant as it may be because I have stolen
> nothing, why you will never win any lawsuit against me. Your past
> will always haunt you.

Whatever Dustin might be (or not) has nothing to do with the fact that
you are crazy in a pathologically malevolent way.

What I'm saying is, Dustin is predictable. He may not always do exactly
the right thing, and he may occasionally do the wrong thing, but anyone
who is even a little observant will be able to predict which way he's
going to go.

You, on the other hand, are a spaz. Erratic. Unpredictable. Scary. The
only two things we can count on is that you attack when asked reasonable
questions and that /you are a thief/.

There's no way to know what you might do next.

You're evil, butts. There's no doubt in my mind.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay


4Q

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Jan 31, 2007, 5:44:51 PM1/31/07
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David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>
>
>
> |
> | See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource and
> | your peers can vouch for your integrity.
> |
> | 4Q
>
> BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of exploitation.

It's so nice to see one of Dustin's fellow anti-malware colleagues
come forth to vouch for him! (I see a super hero duo being formed
here ;]])

David H. Lipman as 'Batman'

http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl.jpg <-- Lipman

& Dustin Cook as 'Robin(red breast)' <-- no picture or costume yet?!?
working on it *grin*


>
> Like many other VX'ers of the past, Dustin has jumped over the fence. My ONLY faer is if
> Dustin is sitting on the fence and has completely crossed over. :-)

So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to be
strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
Lipman! ;]]


4Q

David H. Lipman

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Jan 31, 2007, 5:54:46 PM1/31/07
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From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>

There is *much* that is held back 4Q.

BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once creators.

So... Where do YOU stand ?

David H. Lipman

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Jan 31, 2007, 5:55:34 PM1/31/07
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From: "Anonyma" <anon-b...@deuxpi.ca>

| In article <Xns98C8DBCBA8F...@69.28.186.121>
| Dustin Cook <spamfilterine...@nowhere.com> wrote:
| shit as usual
|
| snipped
|
| Where's your cornholing buddy, Pax? You two were a hot item back when.
| He lives on that same Midget Isle with you.

Yes... I have wondered the same. Where is PAX ?

kurt wismer

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Jan 31, 2007, 6:28:22 PM1/31/07
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David H. Lipman wrote:
[snip]

> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once creators.

which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or ex
virus writers'...

if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts you're going to have to pay
the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

4Q

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Jan 31, 2007, 7:51:03 PM1/31/07
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kurt wismer wrote:
> David H. Lipman wrote:
> [snip]
> > BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once creators.
>
> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or ex
> virus writers'...
>
> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts you're going to have to pay
> the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...

We've been thru this a few weeks ago Kurt, have you read the back
issues of the VX zines like I suggested yet. ;]]

http://vx.netlux.org <-- have fun


4Q

4Q

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Jan 31, 2007, 7:54:21 PM1/31/07
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David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>
>
> | David H. Lipman wrote:
> >> From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>
> >>
> |>> See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource and
> |>> your peers can vouch for your integrity.
> |>>
> |>> 4Q
> >>
> >> BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of exploitation.
> |
> | It's so nice to see one of Dustin's fellow anti-malware colleagues
> | come forth to vouch for him! (I see a super hero duo being formed
> | here ;]])
> |
> | David H. Lipman as 'Batman'
> |
> | http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl.jpg <-- Lipman
> |
> | & Dustin Cook as 'Robin(red breast)' <-- no picture or costume yet?!?
> | working on it *grin*
> |
> >> Like many other VX'ers of the past, Dustin has jumped over the fence. My ONLY faer is if
> >> Dustin is sitting on the fence and has completely crossed over. :-)
> |
> | So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to be
> | strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
> | Lipman! ;]]
> |
> | 4Q
>
> There is *much* that is held back 4Q.
>
> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once creators.
>
> So... Where do YOU stand ?

Well 'Batman' I stand on every street corner in Gotham city with my
jotter pad, waiting for that editorial scoop of a life time... be
watchin ya! ;]]


4Q (the Jester)

Rhonda Lea Kirk

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Jan 31, 2007, 7:56:15 PM1/31/07
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kurt wismer wrote:
> David H. Lipman wrote:
> [snip]
>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>> creators.
>
> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
> ex virus writers'...
>
> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts

We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation.
Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another
chance.

How does that make for a conspiracy?

> you're going to have to
> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...

How does your desire to be in the know supersede another's right to
privacy?

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is

willing to inflict on others. Phčdre nó Delaunay


David H. Lipman

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Jan 31, 2007, 8:09:22 PM1/31/07
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From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhon...@gmail.com>

| kurt wismer wrote:
>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>> creators.
>>
>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
>> ex virus writers'...
>>
>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts
|
| We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation.
| Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another
| chance.
|
| How does that make for a conspiracy?
|
>> you're going to have to
>> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...
|
| How does your desire to be in the know supersede another's right to
| privacy?
|

The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry creates the malware to prop
up the industry and keep themselves in business. They ignore the realities such as
organized crime being a major source.

4Q

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Yes I always suspected the AV industry was an organized crime
syndicate!


4Q

David H. Lipman

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From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>


|
| Yes I always suspected the AV industry was an organized crime
| syndicate!
|
| 4Q

Ha, ha, Ha - I expected that response from you. :-)
I wonder if Symantec has an office in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, NY ? Hmmmmm

kurt wismer

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David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: {someone in my killfile}

> | kurt wismer wrote:
>>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>>> creators.
>>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
>>> ex virus writers'...
>>>
>>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts
> |
> | We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation.
> | Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another
> | chance.
> |
> | How does that make for a conspiracy?
> |
>>> you're going to have to
>>> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...
> |
> | How does your desire to be in the know supersede another's right to
> | privacy?

a claim was made, it's accuracy is in question, the burden of proof lies
with the claimant...

> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry creates the malware to prop
> up the industry and keep themselves in business. They ignore the realities such as
> organized crime being a major source.

yeah, so about that burden...

Rhonda Lea Kirk

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kurt wismer wrote:
> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> From: {someone in my killfile}
>>> kurt wismer wrote:
>>>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>>>> creators.
>>>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers
>>>> and/or ex virus writers'...
>>>>
>>>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts
>>>
>>> We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation.
>>> Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another
>>> chance.
>>>
>>> How does that make for a conspiracy?
>>>
>>>> you're going to have to
>>>> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...
>>>
>>> How does your desire to be in the know supersede another's right to
>>> privacy?
>
> a claim was made, it's accuracy is in question, the burden of proof
> lies with the claimant...

He doesn't have to prove it, unless he really cares to have you believe
his assertion is true.

>> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
>> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
>> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
>> major source.
>
> yeah, so about that burden...

You're assuming that he owes you an explanation.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is

willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay


optikl

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"Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:epre7k$pst$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...

> kurt wismer wrote:
>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>> creators.
>>
>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
>> ex virus writers'...
>>
>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts
>
> We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation. Therefore,
> when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another chance.
>
Could you be more specific about which society you speak of? This is a
rather broad audience.


Message has been deleted

Rhonda Lea Kirk

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Most societies, actually.

There are very few places left where one cannot expect a second chance
for less than major crimes.

> This is a
> rather broad audience.

I'll wait to hear from someone in the audience who lives in a society
that does not believe in rehabilitation.

If you want to make an argument that says ex-virus writers must not be
allowed to work in the antivirus industry, make that argument. I'm not
going to debate this, because it's a strawman, even if I inadvertantly
set it up for you because I didn't express an idea as carefully as I
could have done.

Dustin Cook

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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in news:G79wh.8426
$SE6.185@trnddc03:

> From: "Anonyma" <anon-b...@deuxpi.ca>
>
>| In article <Xns98C8DBCBA8F...@69.28.186.121>
>| Dustin Cook <spamfilterine...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>| shit as usual
>|
>| snipped
>|
>| Where's your cornholing buddy, Pax? You two were a hot item back when.
>| He lives on that same Midget Isle with you.
>
> Yes... I have wondered the same. Where is PAX ?
>

I don't know.. I've lost contact with him sometime ago...

Pax, if you do see this, email me pls.

Dustin Cook

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"4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in
news:1170283491.2...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:

> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>
>>
>>
>> |
>> | See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource
>> | and your peers can vouch for your integrity.
>> |
>> | 4Q
>>
>> BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of
>> exploitation.
>
> It's so nice to see one of Dustin's fellow anti-malware colleagues
> come forth to vouch for him! (I see a super hero duo being formed
> here ;]])

Like I said, I don't need open source. I do have people who can vouch for
me, well respected individuals. My past is exactly that, the past. People
won't be able to look down on me forever. When I hit 10,000 or more hits,
can anyone really still deny BugHunter's usefulness? Regardless of the
fact an ex-Vxer wrote it.

> & Dustin Cook as 'Robin(red breast)' <-- no picture or costume yet?!?
> working on it *grin*

I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me for
your sites. Ok? Perhaps when people can link a face to me, they won't
think of me as low as some do now. :)

> So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to be
> strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
> Lipman! ;]]

I believe I have David's trust, atleast some. :)

Dustin Cook

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kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1...@aioe.org:

> David H. Lipman wrote:
> [snip]
>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>> creators.
>
> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
> ex virus writers'...

The antivirus industry as a whole is bigger than a few companies that are
household names. While this might surprise you, I was on a first name
basis years ago with several Antivirus persons. I won't tell you who they
are, so you can either believe me or not. I only mentioned the fact I
corresponded with a few for the point I hope to make easy enough to
follow. :)



> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts you're going to have to
> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...

This is something that simply shouldn't be done. Seriously. Some persons
take vxers/exvxers very wrongly. Serious misunderstanding about the type
of persons we usually are. The antivirus companies of course make no
effort to change this public image. In some cases, the company itself may
not even be aware of ones online history, depending on how that person
chose to be. Some people are different online than they are in real life.
Others, like myself, Are the same online as we are in real life. I do not
maintain dual personalities etc, As a programmer, I'm lazy, and that's
just too damn time consuming. What you see is what you get with me.

Case in point, If I'm willing to tell you to go away or get fucked
online, you can be rest assured regardless of how big or who you are, I'd
do the same in real life as well. I'm very upfront and to the point, it's
the way I was brought up. Some people consider this rude right off the
bat, even when I didn't intend to be.

I have known you for a very long time, and I do hold you in high respect,
but I wouldn't if I was David be able to provide evidence in this case,
not because their isn't any, but because those individuals activities
under their assumed identity should not become public knowledge with a
real name unless those authors choose to do so, like stormbringer and
myself.

Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
usenet poster is just to risky and immature. Nothing is really gained by
this. David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
rumour live.

In most cases, those involved in the antimalware side of things are not
actively coding viruses. If they're still even maintaining contact with
other Vxers, their time is spent writing/testing productive code.

Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.

Rhonda,

I've read your comments lately discussing the matter, for some reason, it
almost looks like you and I agree. With your permission, I'd like to
email you and remove you from my killfile.

Dustin Cook

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"4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in
news:1170291063.6...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

Indeed, those authors are fine with you knowing it.
You shouldn't ask David or anyone else to prove anything not already
available to you.

Dustin Cook

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Feb 1, 2007, 7:03:04 PM2/1/07
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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:65bwh.37882$uC6.8936@trnddc02:

Indeed. I really don't know anyone in Vx who would design these lame
trojans. It's unthinkable! :)

I applaud you for not dropping names David. You are obviously entrusted
with the information you have, intended for no one except yourself.

Dustin Cook

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kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eps0gd$rdc$1...@aioe.org:

> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> From: {someone in my killfile}
>> | kurt wismer wrote:
>>>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>>>> creators.
>>>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers
>>>> and/or ex virus writers'...
>>>>
>>>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts
>> |
>> | We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation.
>> | Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another
>> | chance.
>> |
>> | How does that make for a conspiracy?
>> |
>>>> you're going to have to
>>>> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...
>> |
>> | How does your desire to be in the know supersede another's right to
>> | privacy?
>
> a claim was made, it's accuracy is in question, the burden of proof
> lies with the claimant...

Some of the proof you seek has already been made available to you. I'm
afraid in this case, I would be with David. You can either accept the
post David made, or not. Dropping names doesn't help anyone, and isn't
worth proving someone right/wrong on usenet.



>> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
>> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
>> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
>> major source.
>
> yeah, so about that burden...

No burden. You either believe it or you don't. As I said, as 4Q continues
to tell you, vx.netlux.org is your friend. If you still need to know
things aside from names, then ask.

Dustin Cook

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Jim Kitahara <jim.ki...@NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote in
news:45C00DD9...@NOSPAM.gmail.com:

> You couldn't answer ONE question that Cook gave you.
> Cook is honest about his past and his present.

Thank you for noticing. I really have tried to be as honest as possible
with everyone.

> The real world knows of your sins and misgivings. You will not
> deceive anybody but internet newbies.

And even then, not for long. Many antimalware sites have warnings
concerning PcButts. It's impossible for someone not to hit one of these
sites in his/her quest for a cure.

Laura Fredericks

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:52:56 GMT, Dustin Cook
<spamfilterine...@nowhere.com> wrote in post to 4Q:


>I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
>personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me
>for your sites. Ok? Perhaps when people can link a face to me, they
>won't think of me as low as some do now. :)

As long as you don't look like the late dwarf Simon (Snapper), i.e.
wear a huge purple scarf around your neck, and a stupid yellow hat.
;-)

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--
Laura Fredericks
4Q's &quot;wicked evil bitch of satire, parody, humor and trollism&quot;

PGP key ID - DH/DSS 2048/1024: 0xC753039A

alt.comp.virus photo gallery:
http://www.queenofcyberspace.com/acvgallery/

usenet flamewars:
http://www.queenofcyberspace.com/usenet/

Remove CLOTHES to reply.

4Q

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Laura Fredericks wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:52:56 GMT, Dustin Cook
> <spamfilterine...@nowhere.com> wrote in post to 4Q:
> >I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
> >personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me
> >for your sites. Ok? Perhaps when people can link a face to me, they
> >won't think of me as low as some do now. :)

*sounds good*

>
> As long as you don't look like the late dwarf Simon (Snapper), i.e.
> wear a huge purple scarf around your neck, and a stupid yellow hat.
> ;-)

*sounds bad* *HAHAHAHA*

As some people will know I posted a picture of Raid on the 4Q site
many years ago... Raid saw it and laughed. "Yeah that's me" It was a
trailerpark bandit with a gun, but ya must admit loads of people
really thought it was *our* Raidy.

I posted a picture of John Buccanon (aka Aristotle of NuKE) and
painted a sniper rifle cross-hair on it... People laughed and said
"yeah that's how I imagined him to look... what trailerpark site did
you get this one from?" *Errrm* It's not a trailerpark guy, that his
real picture! *HAHAHAHA* Then I lost my coderz account for publishing
his mugshot!!! *grrrrr*

What people failed to realize is that John (Ari) gave me his photo's
and permission to print them on the 4Q site. Some people were too
quick to jump the gun and shoot me down.

Along with the Raid and Aristotle pics was another ugly mugshot for
Evul, the owner of Coderz.net (just how I imagined him)... Years
later Evul gave me his real mugshot complete with middle finger salute
*HAHAHAHAHA* What an ugly guy, looks like Trackers boyfriend 'Beef'
complete with prison tats *ROFL*

.....

So what is Raidy gonna look like?
*laughing already*


4Q

kurt wismer

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Feb 1, 2007, 11:29:52 PM2/1/07
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1...@aioe.org:
>
>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>> creators.
>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
>> ex virus writers'...
>
> The antivirus industry as a whole is bigger than a few companies that are
> household names. While this might surprise you, I was on a first name
> basis years ago with several Antivirus persons.

surprise me? i was there! they called you by your first name and you
called them by theirs...

[snip]


> Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
> usenet poster is just to risky and immature.

if you think this is just to satisfy my whims then you are gravely
mistaken...

> Nothing is really gained by
> this.

not true... if the claim is proven true then the ensuing lack of
confidence in the av industry is justified... if not then there is no
justification for it but it will happen all the same with such a rumor
picking up steam from people considered to be authorities on the subject...

> David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
> companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
> rumour live.

no, no, not that they make viruses, but that they reward virus
writers... just as john mcafee paying for viruses rewarded virus
writers, other av vendors hiring them also rewards them...

[snip]


> Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.

no part of my argument has been based on vx'ers being easy to describe,
or being described at all for that matter...

you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...

kurt wismer

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Feb 1, 2007, 10:59:06 PM2/1/07
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eps0gd$rdc$1...@aioe.org:
>> David H. Lipman wrote:
[snip]

>> a claim was made, it's accuracy is in question, the burden of proof
>> lies with the claimant...
>
> Some of the proof you seek has already been made available to you.

no, actually, it hasn't...

> I'm
> afraid in this case, I would be with David. You can either accept the
> post David made, or not. Dropping names doesn't help anyone, and isn't
> worth proving someone right/wrong on usenet.

dropping names may not help anyone, but the claim that has been made
hurts the entire industry and hurts consumers... it feeds a rumor that
has no right to be unless it's true... do you think people will continue
to be as rational in their av decisions as they currently are if they
start believing rumors of such funny business behind the scenes in the
av industry? that's not to say that they are perfectly rational, of
course, but such rumors will almost certainly exacerbate their
irrationality...

since this isn't something that can be disproved, since you can't prove
a negative, the only way to fight the rumor is to challenge it... if the
rumor is true then it should be provable... if no one is willing to
prove it then that should count for something at least...

>>> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
>>> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
>>> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
>>> major source.
>> yeah, so about that burden...
>
> No burden. You either believe it or you don't. As I said, as 4Q continues
> to tell you, vx.netlux.org is your friend. If you still need to know
> things aside from names, then ask.

i considered responding to 4q but decided it would probably qualify as
feeding trolls... since you brought it up to i will say it here -
pointing to a domain does not satisfy the burden of proof in any way...
point to a *document* or don't waste my time, it's not my job to sift
through an entire domain looking for someone else's alleged proof...

Laura Fredericks

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>So what is Raidy gonna look like?
>*laughing already*

http://snipurl.com/1924c

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4Q

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Feb 2, 2007, 12:38:30 PM2/2/07
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kurt wismer wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1...@aioe.org:
> >
> >> David H. Lipman wrote:
> >> [snip]

<snip>


> [snip]
> > Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
> > usenet poster is just to risky and immature.
>
> if you think this is just to satisfy my whims then you are gravely
> mistaken...

tough!

>
> > Nothing is really gained by
> > this.
>
> not true... if the claim is proven true then the ensuing lack of
> confidence in the av industry is justified... if not then there is no
> justification for it but it will happen all the same with such a rumor
> picking up steam from people considered to be authorities on the subject...

Lack of confidence!

Rob Rosenberger has been informing people about the AV addiction scam
for years, yet people haven't lost their confidence in the av ripoff
industry yet. Nothing is going to convince the ignorant punters how
much they are being duped by this money making cartel. For fucks sake
people are still being taken in with the "you are protected from
100,000+ virus" shit! because people can't make reasonable risk
assessment of the real problems when they have fat av marketing clowns
like Graham Cluely hyping things to the max.

99% of that virus database can be dismissed right away... Let them
dare tell the truth, their share holders won't let them. ;]]


>
> > David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
> > companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
> > rumour live.

*Hahaha* Do you know how the AV industry get a lot of their samples?
>From the virus traders, who get them from the creators... indirect
links anyone *LOL*

>
> no, no, not that they make viruses, but that they reward virus
> writers... just as john mcafee paying for viruses rewarded virus
> writers, other av vendors hiring them also rewards them...
>
> [snip]
> > Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.
>
> no part of my argument has been based on vx'ers being easy to describe,
> or being described at all for that matter...
>
> you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
> ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
> to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
> reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...

Kurt this example makes you look like a stupid cunt. You've already
libeled Benny by calling him a reformed bad-guy. You could hardly make
the analogy that a talented programmer with an interest in security
and proof of concept like Benny is the likes of some mental ex-
arsonist.

*you silly bastard*


4Q

4Q

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Feb 2, 2007, 12:51:15 PM2/2/07
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kurt wismer wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eps0gd$rdc$1...@aioe.org:
> >> David H. Lipman wrote:
> [snip]

<snip>

*HAHA*
Some expert you are! Haven't even read the VX zines for the background
in his AV quest. Live in blissful ignorance you half-expert.


4Q

Rhonda Lea Kirk

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Feb 2, 2007, 12:47:27 PM2/2/07
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kurt wismer wrote:

> you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
> ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire
> ex-virus-writers to work on anti-virus products... it's not about
> whether they're really reformed or not, it's about perception and
> trust...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale

4Q

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Feb 2, 2007, 2:54:12 PM2/2/07
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> kurt wismer wrote:
>
> > you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
> > ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire
> > ex-virus-writers to work on anti-virus products... it's not about
> > whether they're really reformed or not, it's about perception and
> > trust...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale

Yeah good one. They even made a hollywood movie about him "Catch me if
you can". And let's not forget Kevin Mitnick is making a nice living
out of his "bad-guy" past.

Kurt Wismer is just an anal half-ass expert and can't except the fact
that some of these so called "bay-guys" are very talented individuals
with years of specilized skills that make them a valuable asset to the
overall human knowledge contribution.

Just look at Zombies, ZMist as an exmaple of a great contribution to
knowledge. I know which guy I'd choose as senior technical consultant
for a security company if my choice was Zombie or a techno numpty like
Graham Cluely.


4Q

kurt wismer

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Feb 3, 2007, 4:06:54 PM2/3/07
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[at the risk of feeding trolls]
4Q wrote:
> kurt wismer wrote:
[snip]

>> you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
>> ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
>> to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
>> reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...
>
> Kurt this example makes you look like a stupid cunt. You've already
> libeled Benny by calling him a reformed bad-guy. You could hardly make
> the analogy that a talented programmer with an interest in security
> and proof of concept like Benny is the likes of some mental ex-
> arsonist.
>
> *you silly bastard*

pot, kettle, black... your strawman was moronic... my simile compared
hiring practices, not positions or applicants... if i say i'm sticking
to you like white on rice i'm not comparing either of us to rice or the
colour white...

4Q

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Feb 18, 2007, 9:02:53 PM2/18/07
to
Dustin Cook wrote:
> "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in
> news:1170283491.2...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:
>
> > David H. Lipman wrote:
> >> From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> |
> >> | See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource
> >> | and your peers can vouch for your integrity.
> >> |
> >> | 4Q
> >>
> >> BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of
> >> exploitation.
> >
> > It's so nice to see one of Dustin's fellow anti-malware colleagues
> > come forth to vouch for him! (I see a super hero duo being formed
> > here ;]])
>
> Like I said, I don't need open source. I do have people who can vouch for
> me, well respected individuals. My past is exactly that, the past. People
> won't be able to look down on me forever. When I hit 10,000 or more hits,
> can anyone really still deny BugHunter's usefulness? Regardless of the
> fact an ex-Vxer wrote it.
>
> > & Dustin Cook as 'Robin(red breast)' <-- no picture or costume yet?!?
> > working on it *grin*
>
> I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
> personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me for
> your sites. Ok?

A man of your word, aye ;]]
No photo. Did you send Laura
your photo or can she assume your
words are worthless?

Perhaps when people can link a face to me, they won't
> think of me as low as some do now. :)
>

Yes, let the Usenet public see who
this great ASIC 16bit DOS box coder
really is.

Incase anyone is wondering what's
inside the BugHunter string scanner
take a look at these.

http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/acvsc/

809b46cfc09e48f5.txt
600600e471413116.txt
06e6bc3879503044.txt

And here's a word from our hero

"...I've been to the dark side, I
think I'll stay awhile"

Well you've got to trust he's not
bullshitting us on his word again.

> > So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to be
> > strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
> > Lipman! ;]]
>
> I believe I have David's trust, atleast some. :)
>

Has he seen your messy ASIC shit?
*grin*


4Q (The AV turncoat's biographer)

p.s. If you'd like to know more about
Dustin Cook (aka Raid the b'ASIC coder)
then you should bookmark the following
link(s). I promise you it will be
worth following.

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/

Dustin Cook

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Feb 18, 2007, 10:00:49 PM2/18/07
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"4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in
news:1171850573....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

A photo is forthcoming 4Q, and yes, I give you permission to host it
unmodified if you'd like.

> Yes, let the Usenet public see who
> this great ASIC 16bit DOS box coder
> really is.

ehehehe.. Okay, 4Q, thanks for calling me Great :)



> Incase anyone is wondering what's
> inside the BugHunter string scanner
> take a look at these.
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/acvsc/
>
> 809b46cfc09e48f5.txt
> 600600e471413116.txt
> 06e6bc3879503044.txt

So your coming at me with things that are almost 10 years old now? :)
From: C...@raiderz.com (Casio [SLAM])
Subject: an oldie.. Weed v1.0
Date: 1997/12/16

4Q, can't you find something more recent? eheh... Sheesh.


The last one is especially silly, man..

Date: 1997/07/23
Message-ID: <33d60...@nova.zianet.com>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 259547767
Organization: Southwest Cyberport
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code


I forgot to include the critical error handler which rustybug needs
Its an .obj file, linked in during compile.

It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
old assembler routines too? *grin*


> And here's a word from our hero
>
> "...I've been to the dark side, I
> think I'll stay awhile"
>
> Well you've got to trust he's not
> bullshitting us on his word again.

Hah! Your a funny one.

>> > So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to
>> > be strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
>> > Lipman! ;]]
>>
>> I believe I have David's trust, atleast some. :)
>>
>
> Has he seen your messy ASIC shit?
> *grin*

Oh, I'm sure he's seen those old posts you found, yes. I have a wider
audience and contact list than you seem to realize, old buddy. :)



>
> 4Q (The AV turncoat's biographer)
>
> p.s. If you'd like to know more about
> Dustin Cook (aka Raid the b'ASIC coder)
> then you should bookmark the following
> link(s). I promise you it will be
> worth following.
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/
> http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/

I also recommend you bookmark these urls. 4Q is sure to give you an
amusing journey into some old things I most likely did during my time as
a Vxer. You have to appreciate the person behind the mask. It's my turn?
to be on the front cover!


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1

web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunte...@gmail.com.removethis

4Q

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Feb 18, 2007, 11:26:22 PM2/18/07
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in
> news:1171850573....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

<snip>

> >
> > A man of your word, aye ;]]
> > No photo. Did you send Laura
> > your photo or can she assume your
> > words are worthless?
>
> A photo is forthcoming 4Q, and yes, I give you permission to host it
> unmodified if you'd like.

Stop gas-bagging about sending it and
send it. I've been looking forward to
a good laugh... I started to suspect
you hadn't found a picture off
uglymugs.com or trailerpark trash
and that was the delay.


<snip>

>
> 4Q, can't you find something more recent? eheh... Sheesh.

I'm sure it will be posted to ACVSC
now that a flag has been raised ;]]

>
> The last one is especially silly, man..
>
> Date: 1997/07/23
> Message-ID: <33d60...@nova.zianet.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 259547767
> Organization: Southwest Cyberport
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code
>
>
> I forgot to include the critical error handler which rustybug needs
> Its an .obj file, linked in during compile.
>
> It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> old assembler routines too? *grin*

Are you sure the original author
(Charon Software) of this code is going to mind you taking credit for
writing it,,, Mr Coderipper?

Anyone wanting to look inside this
snippet can boot up something like
Knoppix and run uudecode... then use
a Hexedit to see if 'Charon Sofware'
minds our BugHuckster Raidy taking
credit for their work ;]]

4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/

updated!

Message has been deleted

owowa.z...@gmail.com

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Feb 19, 2007, 2:16:21 AM2/19/07
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On Feb 18, 11:26 pm, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote in

> >news:1171850573....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > > A man of your word, aye ;]]
> > > No photo. Did you send Laura
> > > your photo or can she assume your
> > > words are worthless?
>
> > A photo is forthcoming 4Q, and yes, I give you permission to host it
> > unmodified if you'd like.
>
> Stop gas-bagging about sending it and
> send it. I've been looking forward to
> a good laugh... I started to suspect
> you hadn't found a picture off
> uglymugs.com or trailerpark trash
> and that was the delay.
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > 4Q, can't you find something more recent? eheh... Sheesh.
>
> I'm sure it will be posted to ACVSC
> now that a flag has been raised ;]]
>
>
>
> > The last one is especially silly, man..
>
> > Date: 1997/07/23
> > Message-ID: <33d6015...@nova.zianet.com>#1/1

> > X-Deja-AN: 259547767
> > Organization: Southwest Cyberport
> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code
>
> > I forgot to include the critical error handler which rustybug needs
> > Its an .obj file, linked in during compile.
>
> > It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> > old assembler routines too? *grin*
>
> Are you sure the original author
> (Charon Software) of this code is going to mind you taking credit for
> writing it,,, MrCoderipper?
>
> Anyone wanting to look inside this
> snippet can boot up something like
> Knoppix and run uudecode... then use
> a Hexedit to see if 'Charon Sofware'
> minds our BugHuckster Raidy taking
> credit for their work ;]]
>
> 4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/
>
> updated!

Now I am cornfused! I thought Dustin was all over pcbutts like a
cheap suit over using intellectual property of another individual.
Are you suggesting pcbutts *IS* Dustin?

What a star lippy-man has hitched his wagon (the one he is draggin?)
to...

4Q

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Feb 19, 2007, 4:40:39 AM2/19/07
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owowa.z...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 18, 11:26 pm, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> > Dustin Cook wrote:
> > > "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote in
> > >news:1171850573....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> >

<snip>


> > > It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> > > old assembler routines too? *grin*
> >
> > Are you sure the original author
> > (Charon Software) of this code is going to mind you taking credit for
> > writing it,,, MrCoderipper?
> >
> > Anyone wanting to look inside this
> > snippet can boot up something like
> > Knoppix and run uudecode... then use
> > a Hexedit to see if 'Charon Sofware'
> > minds our BugHuckster Raidy taking
> > credit for their work ;]]
> >
> > 4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)
> >
> > http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/
> >
> > updated!
>
> Now I am cornfused! I thought Dustin was all over pcbutts like a
> cheap suit over using intellectual property of another individual.
> Are you suggesting pcbutts *IS* Dustin?

I dunno, let's see this trailerpark
photo he's promised to send before
I can give you a definative answer.

>
> What a star lippy-man has hitched his wagon (the one he is draggin?)
> to...

Poor old Lipman... at least we know
what he looks like.

http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl.jpg <-- he looks like yer typical ASIC
coder.

http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl2.jpg <-- *found* by Laura
Fredericks ;]]


4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/ <-- *our* hero

p.s. I might start a mailing list for anyone interested in seeing
what's
inside BugHuckster. Gentlemen, start
your debuggers *wink*

p.p.s. I have all of Raid's previous
works of art, some binary, some source
code... just need to locate the backup
disk.

4Q

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Feb 19, 2007, 5:11:57 AM2/19/07
to
Dustin Cook wrote:
> "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote in
> news:1171850573....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

<snip>

*hehehehe* I remember when the Millenium Dickhead (aka Brian
'dickhead' Barlev) crowed about my telling his story for the benefit
of a wider audience via a special webpage... Initially the cheeky
bastard would email me and say I was doing him a great publicity job,
as he mind manipulated me into writing whatever he wanted.

Eventually as the years rolled on he realized his story wasn't exactly
going as well as he thought it might *smirk*. Then 'the story' started
to sink in... How many times did he try to commit suicide? 3-4???
times before they locked him up in a mental hospital. Well we never
did hear from Dickhead again... *shrug* (I'd like to think he thought
of me as the razorblade cut for the last time) *LOL*


4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/

owowa.z...@gmail.com

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Feb 19, 2007, 6:45:34 AM2/19/07
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On Feb 19, 4:40 am, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:

Hmm. Two comments.

1. (In a cheeky English accent) What a handsome chap.

2. Got any copies suitable for framing? This image would just round
out my mantel shelf collection of photos.

<======<
|=|

Dustin Cook

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Feb 19, 2007, 1:02:25 PM2/19/07
to
On Feb 18, 11:26 pm, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote in

> >news:1171850573....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > > A man of your word, aye ;]]
> > > No photo. Did you send Laura
> > > your photo or can she assume your
> > > words are worthless?
>
> > A photo is forthcoming 4Q, and yes, I give you permission to host it
> > unmodified if you'd like.
>
> Stop gas-bagging about sending it and
> send it. I've been looking forward to
> a good laugh... I started to suspect
> you hadn't found a picture off
> uglymugs.com or trailerpark trash
> and that was the delay.
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > 4Q, can't you find something more recent? eheh... Sheesh.
>
> I'm sure it will be posted to ACVSC
> now that a flag has been raised ;]]
>
>
>
> > The last one is especially silly, man..
>
> > Date: 1997/07/23
> > Message-ID: <33d6015...@nova.zianet.com>#1/1

> > X-Deja-AN: 259547767
> > Organization: Southwest Cyberport
> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code
>
> > I forgot to include the critical error handler which rustybug needs
> > Its an .obj file, linked in during compile.
>
> > It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> > old assembler routines too? *grin*
>
> Are you sure the original author
> (Charon Software) of this code is going to mind you taking credit for
> writing it,,, Mr Coderipper?
>
> Anyone wanting to look inside this
> snippet can boot up something like
> Knoppix and run uudecode... then use
> a Hexedit to see if 'Charon Sofware'
> minds our BugHuckster Raidy taking
> credit for their work ;]]
>
> 4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/
>
> updated!


Apparently charter's news servers aren't working either, I still don't
see my reply from last night to this... It's no secret that the
criterror routine was taken in part from Ibrary v2.0 written by Thomas
Hanlin (this was years before Charon Software took over); I suspect
Thomas and Charon are one in the same however. I am a registered user
of the library and according to it's own documentation, I'm welcome to
do with it as I wish. I'm a registered user of the now defunct asilib
library for asic as well, You might find some routines from it present
in bughunter as well as some routines from ibrary.
And even more routines purely coded in asm for speed and time. since I
used tasm for some of it, and microsoft's link.exe and borlands tlib
utilitiy, you would claim I ripped there code too? <G> Moron.

That's what, libraries are for. :) The ibrary criterror handler isn't
the same as the one I posted however. If you try to call sub to
theres, your program will never come back. Mine returns from the
stack. I'll leave it upto you to figure out what code is different
between them, assuming you can. heh.

If your going to claim I'm a code ripper, be ready for some major
disappointment, Any program that has used libraries or source code
from "tutes" (this pretty much covers, every Vxer except me, haha) is
a code ripper.... That's a very big brush 4Q. All of your comrades,
mandragore, vecna, everyone is a bunch of code rippers... *yawn*


Oh, and in case you missed it, bugHunter isn't a string scanner, it's
a glorified checksummer, non programming fuckwit. :)

The only dirt your going to be thrashing about is 10+ year old code,
way over, done, nobody cares.


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool v2.1
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

Dustin Cook

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Feb 19, 2007, 3:48:06 PM2/19/07
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On Jan 31, 11:37 am, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhonda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> pcbutts1 wrote:
> > You are scum.
>
> PKB.
>
> > I have answered every code question asked and all you
> > and the stalker can do is come back with some lame ass excuse. Even
> > the great Nick Superantispyware has challenged me and had nothing to
> > say when I got it right. All he can does was twist it up and say I
> > am leaving systems vulnerable. What a crock of shit you people are.
> > That's one reason, irrelevant as it may be because I have stolen
> > nothing, why you will never win any lawsuit against me. Your past
> > will always haunt you.
>
> Whatever Dustin might be (or not) has nothing to do with the fact that
> you are crazy in a pathologically malevolent way.
>
> What I'm saying is, Dustin is predictable. He may not always do exactly
> the right thing, and he may occasionally do the wrong thing, but anyone
> who is even a little observant will be able to predict which way he's
> going to go.

And your speaking from hindsight only, obviously. As you weren't able
to make any predictions before emailing me out of the blue one day
some time ago...

I did make one prediction concerning you when I first began
communicating with you. I thought you were a troll. Alas, you proved
it. :) Thanks again, hun!

> You, on the other hand, are a spaz. Erratic. Unpredictable. Scary. The
> only two things we can count on is that you attack when asked reasonable
> questions and that /you are a thief/.

Careful Rhonda, you yourself attack without provocation. In fact, you
seem to like joining in on the fun when another is under attack. But
alas, your a troll, and this habit of trolls is well documented.

> There's no way to know what you might do next.

One thing I do know, Rhonda, you are without a doubt in my mind, the
troll I thought you were originally. :)

> You're evil, butts. There's no doubt in my mind.

What mind Rhonda?

Dustin Cook

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Feb 19, 2007, 3:49:11 PM2/19/07
to
On Jan 31, 5:54 pm, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
wrote:
> From: "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com>
>
> | David H. Lipman wrote:>> From: "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com>

>
> |>> See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource and
> |>> your peers can vouch for your integrity.
> |>>
> |>> 4Q
>
> >> BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of exploitation.
>
> |
> | It's so nice to see one of Dustin's fellow anti-malware colleagues
> | come forth to vouch for him! (I see a super hero duo being formed
> | here ;]])
> |
> | David H. Lipman as 'Batman'
> |
> |http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl.jpg <-- Lipman

> |
> | & Dustin Cook as 'Robin(red breast)' <-- no picture or costume yet?!?
> | working on it *grin*
> |>> Like many other VX'ers of the past, Dustin has jumped over the fence. My ONLY faer is if
> >> Dustin is sitting on the fence and has completely crossed over. :-)

>
> |
> | So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to be
> | strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
> | Lipman! ;]]
> |
> | 4Q
>
> There is *much* that is held back 4Q.

Yeps...

> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once creators.
>

> So... Where do YOU stand ?

He stands on the sidelines where he's been his whole life. Unable to
play the game due to lack of skill. He can make comments, again, from
the sidelines only. He's never actually been in the fold. :)

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